From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #354 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, September 11 1998 Volume 07 : Number 354 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Winchester Cathedral, DOA [Ross Overbury ] Fwd: Re: Winchester Cathedral, DOA ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Winchester Cathedral, DOA [Eb ] Re: Eb's birthday and McGuire [X-Communicate ] Re: Eb's birthday and McGuire [amadain ] Re: Winchester Cathedral, DOA [Terrence M Marks ] The death of Marshall Barer [Terrence M Marks ] Re: Winchester Cathedral, DOA [Terrence M Marks ] Re: Second Choice Better--Bored at work ["Charles Gillett" ] Re: RIAA Couldn't Keep Them Down [Figaro ] Re: from randi - 100% randi related ;} [Eb ] Re: Eb's birthday and McGuire [Gregory Stuart Shell ] Re: Fwd: Another Mind Game [Zloduska ] Long past baseball: [was Re: Eb's birthday and McGuire] [X-Communicate ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Sep 98 16:34:25 EDT From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: Winchester Cathedral, DOA Some music stats weenie asked: > Q: Was "Winchester Cathedral" released in 1966 or 1967 and which Grammy > did it win? > A: 62!!! > (I recall hearing that it sparked a 1920s musical nostalgia, with all > sorts of bands putting all sorts of retro horns in, but the only band that > seems to have really gone for that period was Sopwith Camel, who don't > seem to constitute a trend. Anyone for further comment on this?) > I don't remember any horns in the Red Baron song. Did they do anything else that people could be expected to remember offhand? PS: Paper Lace. Brother what a bomb it really was. Glory be! - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:59:54 -0400 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Fwd: Re: Winchester Cathedral, DOA >I don't remember any horns in the Red Baron song. Did they do anything >else that people could be expected to remember offhand? "Ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty and more / the bloody Red Baron, was rolling up a score / Eighty men died / Trying to end the spree / of the bloody Red Baron, of Germany..." Sorry, couldnt' resist, even if I didn't recite lyrics from the song being discussed. >PS: Paper Lace. Brother what a bomb it really was. Glory be! "...and he kissed my mama's face, and he brushed her tears away..." Oof. Ouch. Now that song's stuck in my head. Ever hear the b-side? "Can You Get It (When You Want It)?"? "If you want it can you put your finger on it?" Or, better yet, anybody have a copy of Paper Lace's recording of "Billy, Don't Be A Hero" (made popular in the US by Bo Donaldson and the Heywoods)? I'd gladly trade something for that. Sorry. At least this post isn't about baseball, Rush, or politics, eh? ObRobyn: he could do a smashing cover of "Billy, Don't Be A Hero", dontcha think? ++++++++ Gene Hopstetter, Jr. + Online Design Guy http://extra.newsguy.com/~genehop/ ++++++++ Tori Amos. The other white meat. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:09:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Gregory Stuart Shell Subject: Re: Eb's birthday and McGuire On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Aaron Mandel wrote: > seems to me that during the thread on Darwin fish, there was a certain > consensus that christians are not in fact oppressed today. i think a I do not actually remember hearing anything about contemporary Christian oppression during the Darwin fish deal. > "subversive capitalist" is similarly problematic. being smug doesn't > make you -- or me -- a rebel. A capitalist is simply a hunter/gatherer who collects a little extra to trade with someone who is busy doing something else. And that is the apparent misunderstanding. I am not a subversive capitalist, I am a subversive specialist. It is a revolutionary type subversion to which I claim knowledge. Most Christians are not oppressed today, unless of course they are from somewhere like Iran, Iraq, a large part of Russia, China, Afghanistan, Pakistan or a member of this list, to name a few places. Maybe I should have been a defense attorney, as I will in almost all instances, argue for the minority or least popular in whatever circle I might be sitting. I am not sure why and often I do not make the defense knowing it is valid or even legitimate, but someone has to do it. Debates are fun, even if fellow debators are loud mouthed, reactionary stick in the muds. I am Jewish. I made this clear on more than one occasion. I am not a Republican, which I also made clear. Maybe not as clear as being Jewish, but it was stated more than once. In fact, I am so far to the left in regard to personal freedoms that I have actually looped all the way over to the right side. I am a New Federalist, a naturalist and a humanitarian, but a supporter oppressive institutions and ideals of any kind, I am not. Regards, Gregory S. Shell Reactionary Subversive Specialist ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:13:12 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Winchester Cathedral, DOA Ross: >> (I recall hearing that it sparked a 1920s musical nostalgia, with all >> sorts of bands putting all sorts of retro horns in, but the only band that >> seems to have really gone for that period was Sopwith Camel, who don't >> seem to constitute a trend. Anyone for further comment on this?) >I don't remember any horns in the Red Baron song. Did they do anything >else that people could be expected to remember offhand? The "Red Baron song" ("Snoopy vs. The Red Baron") was by the Royal Guardmen, not Sopwith Camel. I don't really know too much about Sopwith Camel, frankly, beyond the fact that they had a hit with "Hello, Hello," which was later covered by some French chick named Claudine. I'm going to assume that they're better left forgotten. Probably some fluffy overharmonized AM-pop deal a la the Mamas & Papas and Spanky & Our Gang. In other news...Grandaddy don't have their live show polished yet, and thus it wasn't real impressive. Oh well. I still think Under the Western Freeway is a great record, and I guess someone else thought so since V2 picked it up for major-label distribution. I only stayed for about seven songs of Grant Lee Buffalo's set because he makes me queasy, and I'm sick and coughing anyway. Wish that guy would learn to SING, instead of driving that half-spoken, arching-note wail gimmick into the ground. Ugh. In other news...you Can fans might wanna check out Club Off Chaos, a new instrumental trio on Mute starring Can's Jaki Liebezeit. The group's self-titled debut is freshly released. It's a lot more high-tech than Can, but it still has that rhythmic tension/sustained evolution thing going for it. I didn't expect to like it, but I do. Yet another veteran proggie moves into the techno world.... Regards, Ebsted Cornchex Gnarl Mise-En-Scene Credenza Borscht ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:15:33 -0700 (PDT) From: X-Communicate Subject: Re: Eb's birthday and McGuire > A capitalist is simply a hunter/gatherer who collects a little extra to > trade with someone who is busy doing something else. No. The analogy is not a logical one. You could address this in may different ways. As soon as Eddie's blood stops boiling I am sure he will send out a 33MB message stating how he feels about it and Boeing all in one. Needless to say, the fundamental organization of a capitalist economic system is far and away different from a subsistence or hunter/gatherer society. .chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:21:35 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Eb's birthday and McGuire >all in one. Needless to say, the fundamental organization of a >capitalist economic system is far and away different from a subsistence >or hunter/gatherer society. Yup. There seems to be some confusion floating around these days between "capitalist" and "self-sufficient", which are NOT equivalent terms. May I also point out that being disagreed with is not the same thing as being oppressed? Is someone on Feg threatening professed Christians with harm for speaking their minds? Are posts from Christians being cancelled and/or censored? DO get a grip. Defending the underdog is well and good, just don't exaggerate their plight, OK? I might point out that my sexual orientation(s) seem to be a great amusement factor for some on the list and once were even brought up as part of an unrelated argument I was in, and not only does it not bother me but I've noticed it also doesn't seem to bother GSS, defender of freedom. To quote Monty Python "help, help, I'm being repressed!"*snicker*. Are some "oppressions" more worthy than others? Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:21:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Winchester Cathedral, DOA > > (I recall hearing that it sparked a 1920s musical nostalgia, with all > > sorts of bands putting all sorts of retro horns in, but the only band that > > seems to have really gone for that period was Sopwith Camel, who don't > > seem to constitute a trend. Anyone for further comment on this?) > > > > I don't remember any horns in the Red Baron song. Did they do anything > else that people could be expected to remember offhand? "Hello Hello" was a top 10 hit (they claim that it was the first top 10 hit by hippies who dressed like hippies). The remainder of their first album was pretty forgettable. Their second album is good, but didn't quite make it into the national consciousness. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:24:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: The death of Marshall Barer > Yes, unfortunately lyricist Marshall Barer died of cancer on 2th >of August, aged 75. He authored the words to Migthy Mouse (formerly Super >Mouse)'s theme, whereas Phillip Scheib wrote the tune. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:35:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Winchester Cathedral, DOA > I don't really know too much about Sopwith Camel, frankly, beyond the fact > that they had a hit with "Hello, Hello," which was later covered by some > French chick named Claudine. I'm going to assume that they're better left > forgotten. Probably some fluffy overharmonized AM-pop deal a la the Mamas & > Papas and Spanky & Our Gang. No, Eb, they're lamer than that. Their eponymous first album (which had "Hello Hello" on it) is fluffy, meaninglesss lightweight retro-vaudeville (only without the charm or wit of vaudeville). Now, I've got an admittedly high tolerance for the fluffy, meaningless and lightweight and they surpass even that....(I guess that that does describe The Mamas & The Papas, now that I think about it...) Their second album (The Miraculous Hump Returns from the Moon) was a lot funkier, had some substance, and is worth a look, at least (for the first 3/4, before they fade back into the meaningless patter they had on the first album). I'd say something about the Firesign Theatre reunion album, but I've never met a reunion album I've liked. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:12:08 +0000 From: "Charles Gillett" Subject: Re: Second Choice Better--Bored at work On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:16:46 -0700 (PDT), Danielle wrote: > Danielle, perfectly happy to get back to beaver analyses any time soon I saw a beaver at the Great Minnesota State Fair. A dry beaver. Bone dry. And in a cage. Very unusual. On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:40:18 -0600, amadain wrote: > Hey, that was the way I feel about life! I feel "Take the A Train." I guess that's good. > "Loser" was my mind. "Card to Bernard" by Peter Blegvad...? Could be worse, I suppose. > "National Brotherhood Week" represented my SO. "You Will Miss Me When I Burn" by Palace Brothers represented the "person I love," who happens also to be someone with whom I am merely acquainted. > Why do I get the feeling this was designed for people who knew a much > smaller amount of songs than the average Feg does? What would the hypothetical target audience for this test choose? "My Heart Will Go On," "Wannabe," "Stairway to Heaven," and "By-tor and the Snow Dog?" - -- Charles Now Playing: _Alarms and Excursions_, the Bern Nix Trio (okay...worth the $5 I spent on it) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:16:48 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Cricket, Mike, Danielle, Gregory, Beaky, Mick & Tich >Incidentally Danielle, you'll be heartened to know that the NZ cricket team >lost all 4 of their build-up matches for the Commonwealth Games - 3 against >a New South Wales selection and one against Australia by a humiliating 9 >wickets. Their first match of the games is against Kenya, today. Worth a >few bob on Kenya, I reckon. (James is familiar with my policy on ALWAYS >betting against the NZ cricket team. I'm not a millionaire yet, but I have >had a few free lunches on our tragic 11) heh. They held Kenya to 144in their 50 overs, and strolled to that total for the loss of five wickets. Chris Harris was the hero, with bowling figures of 3 for 8 off ten overs, including a caught & bowled, and he also made a run out. Matt Horne scored about 50 for NZ. The other two teams in the group had their match abandoned by rain, so Pakistan only picked up one point against Scotland (who hopefully will all be as overawed as Stewart!). NZ, if it can avoid the rain, is looking pretty reasonable at the moment! >James D. (our Feg in the 'Podes hey now - I'm in the ANTIpodes, than you very much! Can't have those nasty podes causing discontent, you know... >only Otago players >have scored 300 in first class cricket in NZ! To make this accurate I should rephrase it as "the only New Zealanders to have scored 300 in a first class innings have been Otago players". RC Blunt, B Sutcliffe, G Turner, and K Rutherford. >The last feg digest took up 33MB and contained 26 messages, none of >which mentioned Robyn Hitchcock once. Is this a record? no, a record is a circular piece of plastic with a hole in the middle. 33*M*b? That's one fucking big Fegmaniax! >with a colon and a P, i retire to the smallest room in the house, that has to be the best double-entendre I've read here in weeks! >Second, who sang/wrote >the song "Winchester Cathedral"? Presumably late 60's or so timeframe. >C'mon guys, don't fail me now! New Vaudeville Band, in about 1968 IIRC. Their one big hit. The nearest the got with a sequel was "Finchley Central" - about one of the 52 stations on the Northern Line. Ah.... can we finally get the conversation back on track? James (wondering if, in some alternative reality, people talk about Robyn Hitchcock here) PS - hey, calm down folks! Danielle, I suspect you have spent too long with Eb! Whether you agree with Mr Shell or not, there are probably less provocative ways you could have asked him to stop the politicospew! PPS - how does "Why don't we do it in the road?" relate to my mind? James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:54:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Fuller Subject: from randi - 100% randi related ;} Oh - hi everyone... Miss y'all muchly... Couldn't access email 'cause it's really Tim's - and he tried to reconfigure the email writer from *Pine* - which sucks enough as far as I'm concerned - to something else - I don't even know what - but it specifically says on the *Toronto Freenet Board* to NOT choose this other email... gggrrrhhh...aaarrrggghhh... 8-} Tim will be mad at me if he sees this message - but basically - mail from the past week or so - has disappeared into oblivion - along with you - its senders ;} So - just a post to say - I'm back - Marcy, Susan, Eb, lj, eddie, *sharkboy,* natalie, bayard, and whomever else I'm missing - I lost ALL your emails :{ :{ :{ :{ I'm sorry - but I'm back in business and soooooooooo looking forward to messages and feg-digests again! And - I think I might be getting out of the hospital in a week or two - can we say YAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will now steal from both *sharkboy* and susan...and say, Many Happies :} ...and Love On Ya All Randi *what scares you most will set you free* - Robyn Hitchcock *and the longer you hide...the more you deny* - Neil Finn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 21:42:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Figaro Subject: re: 62!!! On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Capitalism Blows wrote: > even still, then they'd have won a four team division. whoopee. i > mean, what in the bloody fuck is this, the nf fucking l? Um...Eddie. Sports are the opiate of the masses, mate. Shame, shame. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 21:45:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Figaro Subject: Re: RIAA Couldn't Keep Them Down On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Hallucinogenic Woodpecker wrote: > Negativland, notorious for their use of unlicensed sound > samples on their recordings... I didn't realize this was available on the internet until recently: http://www.detritus.net/archive/U2/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:17:44 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: from randi - 100% randi related ;} >And - I think I might be getting out of the hospital in a week or two - >can we say YAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:25:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Gregory Stuart Shell Subject: Re: Eb's birthday and McGuire On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, amadain wrote: > Yup. There seems to be some confusion floating around these days between > "capitalist" and "self-sufficient", which are NOT equivalent terms. Nope. I think the confusion lies in the fact that Capitalism is an economic system based on the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market and socialism is simply a social system with no true static definition. No one in a socialist production/distribution economic system could ever be "self-sufficient". In fact it would be difficult to be part of any major economic system and be "self-sufficient". So then, I guess no capitalist could ever be "self-sufficient". > May I also point out that being disagreed with is not the same thing as > being oppressed? Is someone on Feg threatening professed Christians with > harm for speaking their minds? Are posts from Christians being cancelled By definition, oppression does not have to include physical abuse. I included this list on the other list just to promote a response. > I might point out that my sexual orientation(s) seem to be a great > amusement factor for some on the list and once were even brought up as part > of an unrelated argument I was in, and not only does it not bother me but > I've noticed it also doesn't seem to bother GSS, defender of freedom. To I do not recall ever giving you any shit about your sexual prefrences and offhand, I do not remember you getting roused regarding comments that were made about your sexual orientations. If something said about you obviously does not upset you, then why should it upset me? I think trying to change a persons sexual desires is completely idiotic. The fact that I am sexually attracted to women and not men is not the result of anything I have or have not done. I cannot force away these desires and I cannot force myself to be attracted to men. Greg "who thinks the sexual revolution was the best thing to happen since birth control" Shell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:02:58 -0500 From: Zloduska Subject: Re: Fwd: Another Mind Game Russ wrote: >>This is a little game that has a pretty funny/creepy outcome. >>Don't read ahead, just do it in order. It takes about 3 minutes >>It's worth it. >>It's kinda eerie.. > >nothing funny happened...nothing creepy happened...it wasn't worth it...it >wasn't eerie... > >you should be severely fined for this! > >-russ, trying to figure out how "dwarfbeat" relates to my wife, and >wondering how I can get those three minutes back. My results were somewhat interesting, somewhat nonsensical. However, I am just a little worried about my answer to #10. quiz- 'What song says the most about your mind?' me- "Schizophrenia" hmm. <> =\ ~kjs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:17:38 -0700 (PDT) From: X-Communicate Subject: Long past baseball: [was Re: Eb's birthday and McGuire] > > > Yup. There seems to be some confusion floating around these days between > > "capitalist" and "self-sufficient", which are NOT equivalent terms. > Nope. I think the confusion lies in the fact that Capitalism is an > economic system based on the accumulation and reinvestment of profits > gained in a free market and socialism is simply a social system with no > true static definition. No one in a socialist production/distribution > economic system could ever be "self-sufficient". In fact it would be > difficult to be part of any major economic system and be "self-sufficient". > So then, I guess no capitalist could ever be "self-sufficient". To say that the socialist system was undefined is a simple misgiving of the facts. I could throw out a bunch of names to no interest of most anyone. Needless to say it has been well defined. A logical flow is to argue from some abstract point of view, either emotionally [not that anyone on this list would do that, right Mr. Tews] or pin it on some vague definition of lexigraphical understanding, i.e. "'self-sufficient'". Both avoid the reality of understanding how a economic system works, what every that system be. Also, to say that certain things are always present in any system *and* that makes distinction null and void is not looking at the differences that account one being socialist, capitalist, ect. Commonalities do exists, the matter is a broad range of subtle details make seemingly similar things different. In a perverse analogy, one could say humans all look the same--and they do--but the subtle differences make for the important part. .chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:18:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Fuller Subject: from randi - commenting on eb's comments & Robyn content :} Well, as I did miss a few digests {computer problems,} I have had the chance to really watch the fascination with "Mark McGwire." Very cool that he beat Roger Maris's record - lovely to see some *good news* - but, as Eb said: > It's nice to see something on the news [McGwire] that's positive and > not violent or political. > What bothers me is that the only time we see people lauded, they're > entertainment figures. From Randi's personal files - I will relay a short story... The nurses here - {9 surgeries - they kinda get to know you ;} - go nuts when they here about the bands for whom I've directed/produced videos. What about the book I'm writing about Crohn's {Inflammatory Bowel Disease} for teenagers...or the documentary I'm also doing to help people who suffer from IBD...would my local tv station have cut away from my documentary to tell/show the viewing audience about Mark McGwire? To me - McGwire is an amazing baseball player...Robyn is a great singer/songwriter...Marcy's a great prof...Susan and Jeme are great writers...Dr. Zane Cohen is a great surgeon, {mine of course} John Malcovitch a great actor, and Carole R. is a great person...ah - the common denominator again... We lust after gossip about "entertainment figures" - while there are people on this list who are equally talented at what they do. That's how I got through my first meeting with Robyn - a few minutes of sweat, shaking and fear - then my brain clicked in {thankfully} and reminded me RH is just a guy...a guy who's really good at music, art, and writing. Sorry - I didn't want to write an email this long - but I had to - 'cause I think what Eb said {above} is true. And when nurses and doctors think of *me!?!?* as a 'celebrity of sorts' - I want to puke {not literally thank G-d :} - it's just that it's my job, I'm good at it - and no one will ever know about me...but I'm just as good a producer as McGwire is a baseball player...in my way of thinking. I think I'll fade back into oblivion for a bit... Randi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:51:59 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: NZ music news! (tangential 0.1% Robyn) Just back from performing at a one-hour lunchtime gig here at Otago University (which was well received by a small but enthusiastic audience and was also broadcast live-to-air by student radio). The tangential Robyn of the subject line is that I used one of Robyn's songs as a warm-up during the soundcheck. Darryl (the man behind the desk) came up to me after it and said "you know, I could have *sworn* you sang 'he died on the phone'..." Anyway, on to the *real* NZ music news... earlier today I was in Roi Colbert's second hand music emporium ("Records Records"). To those of you who don't know - probably about 98% of you - Roi is Dunedin's Flying Nun agent, and one of NZ music's staunchest supporters. Anyway, who should be in the shop buying and selling some vinyl but one Mr Martin Phillipps, of gramophone and wireless fame. I had a brief chart with him and he told me that he has still got a huge stockpile of stuff he's recorded at home on 4 and 8 track, and it is quite possible that Flying Nun will be looking to release an album of the best of it 'sometime soon' - he's just starting on the process of getting some of it onto a DAT tape for them. His next project after that is the 'happy and sad' song albums, two discs one of 'up' songs and one of 'down' songs. When and if they will ever be released, though, he doesn't know. Anyway, I just thought I'd pass that on to y'allk. And now, back to the baseball, cricket, and political abuse... James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:25:20 -0700 From: Ethyl Ketone Subject: Life and everything else At 3.35 PM -0700 9/10/98, Terrence M Marks wrote: >I'd say something about the Firesign Theatre reunion album, but I've never >met a reunion album I've liked. Well, picked up their "Anythynge You Want To - Shakespeares Lost Comedy" at their 25 year anniversary tour (where I got all 4 to sign my bozo nose but that's another story, bozo - from the spanish - bozotros) and while it's decent and funny and very clever, it just doesn't have the ring that Nick Danger or Bozos or Waiting for the Electrician, etc. had. But they were good, again. Having seen 'em back then and 25 years later - even played age jokes off of old material. Missed all the political, baseball (Dodgers, mid-70s was the last time I followed baseball) and flames as well as the fegfest :-( - due to my geeky job - but I gotta say, once again, you all are pretty amazing. Astute, erudite and hella articulate. But maybe I'll be back online now that my job went away (today - oh thank you Psygnosis for the warning) and I recover from the corporate sinkhole of gaming. Still deciding whether to stay in games or move on... Once a game geek, always...? And my token political comment - I've been all over Eastern Europe. Plenty of times. Spent lots of time there over the last 10 years. And it is ugly. Miserable. Nasty. The vestages of "Socialism" and "Communism" and "Dictatorship". I was in Bucherest when there were tanks in the streets and Police beating people up and throwing them in un-marked cars, the military making deals with american businessmen and no food in the stores. I was in Albania when if you wore a uniform you held authority, of some kind, just not in any organized way and definately by threat. I was in Poland when the people were lining the streets to sell their gold watches and chains to anyone, the stores had little food, the phrase "it can be arranged" was the answer to all questions. What I'm trying to say is I went to these places because I had read Marx and believed there was a way for it to work in a non capitalist environment. I thought it'd be better. And all I have seen (and still see up to this year) is scarcity, corruption, bribary, fear, starvation and the degradation of human life. Block after block of "commie condos" with piles of garbage and pigs and dogs rooting through it and gangsters in black leather threateing inhabitants in lightless stairwells. Now I'm not saying that capitalism is any better (will my severence check bounce?) but I did spend 2 years of my life practicing self-suffiencey and it was probably the most rewarding 2 years of my life. I'd spend an afternoon watching an oriole build a nest. Hey, I even watched the habits of beavers :-). My pace slowed in time with the rhythym of the seasons and my metabolism. I ran everyday. Object of post? I don't know. Robyn is one hell of a singer songwriter. We are all toast someday. I'm alive and my cat is purring on my lap. What the hell are we doing here? And I guess I feel like the feglist is a family if I can write this. - - Carrie - waiting for the flames on the political side but hey, I'm going for a nice long walk in the morning so I don't care - Galbraith "Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." **************************************************************************** M.E.Ketone/C.Galbraith meketone@ix.netcom.com cgalbraith@psygnosis.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #354 *******************************