From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #340 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, September 1 1998 Volume 07 : Number 340 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Phooey of the decade, and Closet embarrassments [Stewart Russell 3295] Re: Foxes and Monkees [Mike Runion ] Pulp, Bowie, Bangles, Muppets (needless to say, 0% RH) ["Gary.Sedgwick" <] RE: new thread ["Chaney, Dolph L" ] Re: Top 20 CDs /zep vs Who rant. No RH [dlang ] Phooey, guilt, Apples, Jeff (0.125% Robyn) [Natalie Jacobs ] So Long Mr. Toad [Mike Runion ] Fwd: Re: quick question ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: zep vs Who rant. No RH [M R Godwin ] not really *that* bored on a tuesday morning ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: not really *that* bored on a tuesday morning [Danielle ] Indiscipline (100% proggy content) ["Glen Uber" ] everybody clocks your wants (29% starfucking content) ["Capitalism Blows"] Re: Grapevine... [tanter ] RE: everybody clocks your wants (29% starfucking content) ["Chaney, Dolph] Re: everybody clocks your wants (29% starfucking content) [tanter Subject: Re: Phooey of the decade, and Closet embarrassments >>>>> "James" == James Dignan writes: James> Alanis Morrissette Here I was, all smug that I've got an entirely classy collection, then someone reminds me of this. Uck. - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 08:27:40 -0700 From: Mike Runion Subject: Re: Foxes and Monkees M R Godwin wrote: > Further research on the spelling of 'Foxy lady': I have just checked my > 1967 Track records 'Are you experienced' LP (Track 612001). There is no > track listing on the trendy sleeve, but on the label itself the first > track is clearly listed as 'Foxy Lady'. This LP was released in the UK on > 12 May 1967 The 1993(?) US CD rerelease also uses the 'Foxy' spelling on the back track listing and throughout the accompanying booklet. - -- Mike Runion Cocoa, FL, USA /******************************************************************\ | VCM: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/cones.htm | | Fegmaps: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/fegmaps | | Spoken Word Tape: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/wordtape.htm | \******************************************************************/ "Wait a minute. Time for a Planetary Sit-In!" - Julian Cope ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 14:34:43 +0100 From: "Gary.Sedgwick" Subject: Pulp, Bowie, Bangles, Muppets (needless to say, 0% RH) Saw the new Pulp single ("Party Hard" was it?) on German MTV this morning. The first time I heard Pulp (it was a live broadcast of "Do You Remember The First Time"), I was amazed at how much Jarvis sounded like Bowie. Then he lost his Bowieness during Different Class... but this new song takes the biscuit. Brett Anderson ain't got nothing on Jarvis for Bowie impersonations. Oh and sorry Susan, I didn't think much of it. The TIH singles are just lacking so much. > Bayard dixit: > > > tell us what *really* dismal stuff you > > like. :) (uh oh... i sense a thread coming on...) > The Bangles. So there! And the Muppet Show albums, although surely everyone must recognise these as classics... Gary ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:06:59 -0400 From: "Chaney, Dolph L" Subject: RE: new thread Oh, yeah, and re: ponytail explosions... When I saw that in Parade, all I could hear in my head was the deep poetry of (guilty pleasure) Evan Dando... "here comes Gwyneth's head in a box." (repeat a bunch o' times) Thank you and good night. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 23:00:20 +0930 From: dlang Subject: Re: Top 20 CDs /zep vs Who rant. No RH I used to own Rumours but I haven't listened to it for at least a decade. Otherwise not guilty on any of the rest although I think Lets Dance is a good album and Graceland has its moments too. chris opined >The only really >necessary Led Zepplin album is the first one, IMHO. The others just >don't do it for me. Agreed, the BBC radio concert of this album convinced me Zeppelin were worth listening to and the first album is probably worth having even now. However ,in concert Zep were something else. After seeing them on-stage at the Bath festival where they were blown offstage by the Byrds , Airplane, Hot tuna and even Steppenwolf I revised my opinion. They were just boring. They wore skin tight velvet trousers and Plant bared his chest, heinous sins in my book by ANYONE!-( apart from Iggy pop who has papal dispensation to bare anything with impunity! ) Their music had no heart , no soul, they took themselves too seriously and they played a lousy rock and roll medley. That did not stop me selling over 100 silk-screened posters of the buggers to their rabid fans though, after all business is business. I recently watched " The Song Remains the Same " and it re-affirmed my opinion.I liked some of the music , but visually!. God, parts of it must rank as one of the most pretentious R&R films of all time . The scene where Plant is some sort of medieval hero saving the damsel in distress is hilarious -but its not meant to be !. They still were taking them selves too seriously, they *believed* in their cock rock prowess and the bullshit that goes with it. Thats not a scenario I've ever been interested in. Anyway I remain firmly convinced that the Who live were THE best British heavy band of the 60's and probably also the early 70's as well.( I'm not counting Jimi here as he was unique, American and because his career was so short) . Daltrey could blow the velvet trews off Percy Plant and although Page was technically a better player than Townsend I know I'd rather watch and listen to the man with the big hooter anyday. As for Moon and Entwhistle vs the Zep rhythm section , m'lud, I rest my case, no contest. Ac/DC - great band, they NEVER have taken themselves seriously, a real comic strip band if there was one.If we are talking about Aussie hard rock bands then the early Divinyls are worth a listen to and the Angels also have their moments,, although I probably would not buy albums by any of them, I just watch the videos every few years for a bit of light relief. dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:59:18 -0400 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Phooey, guilt, Apples, Jeff (0.125% Robyn) Phooey of the decade - "Nonsuch." Don't worry, I won't rant about this again. I'm just hoping the next album's better. :) Guilty pleasures: Cat Stevens and the Spice Girls come to mind. Some of Madonna's new stuff sounds good to me, and I feel unclean, having been a Madonna-hater for years. I like Fleetwood Mac, since I grew up hearing them on the radio. The Monkees used to be a major guilty pleasure, but I think I outgrew them, or the guilt got to be too much for me. I still think Mike Nesmith kicks ass, though. Speaking of sugary pop, a friend of mine played me some songs by the Apples in Stereo, and gosh darn it, I like them! My only argument is that the songs are SO derivative that a) I feel like I've heard them all before and b) they all sound the same. I doubt they'd hold up well under repeated listening, either. But I'm a sucker for background vocals that go "Ooooh la la la," so I can't help but pay attention. Incidentally, Eb, this same friend of mine bought "In the Aeroplane" on my suggestion, so you can chalk another one up to your persuasive talents, albeit indirectly. ObRobyn: "Mystery Science Theater" the other night featured a movie about a man's wife and his dead wife. There was also a character who looked a little like Jeff Mangum, so my friend and I kept yowling "Ohhhh comeleeee" every time he appeared. n. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 11:59:58 -0700 From: Mike Runion Subject: Re: Top 20 CDs / Fleetwood Mac I've got a few of the "Top 20", and I still think they're damn fine records. Just because *everyone* owns a particular album doesn't for a minute necessarily equate to that album being bad, at least not those three or four that I own. :) I'm emboldened by the number of y'all who've quietly professed their Fleetwood Mac streak. I readily admit to once being a major fan of the Buckingham/Nicks era, and there ain't a bad album in the bunch (okay, so _Tango In The Night_ has aged pitifully, I admit). I essentially quit listening to the band even casually sometime around 1990 or so, but the recent _Dance_ revival was music to my ears and I'm pleased they pulled it off so well (except for that MTV award show medley crap). Yes, I did refresh my record collection with the CDs (wasn't that what they wanted me to do?), and vividly recall the night I got _Mirage_ on disc and listened to it with eyes closed on the back patio bench at midnight. Maybe that one's a guilty pleasure, but I think it was a remarkable and sorta forgotten album. The White album is still stunning, and the only reason Rumours may be a bit blah is that we've all just heard it too damn often. Lindsey's guitar playing (both technically and visually) still continues to amaze me. Hell, the live version of 'Not That Funny' was like my anthem in high school! Mike (who wishes Stevie Nicks had never discovered the synthesizer or drum machine) Now back to that one funny British guy... n.p. Eno - Taking Tiger Mountain - -- Mike Runion Cocoa, FL, USA /******************************************************************\ | VCM: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/cones.htm | | Fegmaps: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/fegmaps | | Spoken Word Tape: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/wordtape.htm | \******************************************************************/ "Wait a minute. Time for a Planetary Sit-In!" - Julian Cope ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 13:11:59 -0700 From: Mike Runion Subject: So Long Mr. Toad Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, particularly to Eddie and Eb... From today's local paper: "Lights Out For Mr. Toad: Campaign can't save popular Magic Kingdom Ride" Despite protests, despite the green T-shirts saying "Ask me why Mickey is killing Mr. Toad," despite hundreds of pleading postcards and letters mailed to Disney officials, Mr. Toad appears to be roadkill. A yearlong Internet and mail campaign to keep the Magic Kingdom attraction, "Mr Toad's Wild Ride," apparently wasn't enough Or so say Mr. Toad's champions, who clain the ride will be closed Sept. 8 and replaced with a Winnie the Pooh attraction... Mr. Toad lives on at Disneyland in Anaheim, Calif., but that's not good enough for fans like Moskot, a season-passholder who now plans to stay away. The kids' ride, which opened in Florida in 1971, became his favorite as a grade-schooler because it was rather subversive and un-Disney. Moskot hired a banner plane in May to fly over the Magic Kingdom with the words "Save Mr. Toad's Wild Ride" and Weiss's office phone number. Weekly "toad-ins" at the Magic Kingdom attracted as many as 50 T-shirt wearing protesters... A final protest is planned for Labor Day. Checkout: www.savetoad.com Mike - -- Mike Runion Cocoa, FL, USA "Wait a minute. Time for a Planetary Toad-In!" - Julian Cope ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 10:26:43 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Fwd: Re: quick question well, i'll be a monkey's fuckin' uncle! i still *swear* that i remember that from the brady bunch. anybody else? Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 23:53:37 -0800 To: "Capitalism Blows" From: "David E. Brady" Subject: Re: quick question >did peter brady ever receive radio signals in his dental work? No, that was Laurie Partridge in an episode of "The Partridge Family." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:52:29 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: zep vs Who rant. No RH On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, dlang wrote: > However ,in concert Zep were something else. After seeing them on-stage at the > Bath festival where they were blown offstage by the Byrds , Airplane, Hot > tuna and even Steppenwolf I revised my opinion. And Johnny Winter. The crowd adored them, however... The Who peaked in '69, IMHO. Even on 'Live at Leeds' you can hear a bit of the Zep influence which eventually turned the Who into a sort of Who / Zep parody. - - Mike G. PS What's wrong with old albums, anyway? The last record I bought (Saturday) was a Bukka White CD recorded between 1936 and 1940. I'm really into his 'slapping the baby' strumming technique on "Bukka's Jitterbug Swing". Talk to all you cats and kittens in a couple of weeks... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 10:57:07 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: not really *that* bored on a tuesday morning in fact, this was kinda fun. ok, here are all the artists i own at least one rekkid by that are NOT featured on the gondola list (and therefore are not any good): ac/dc, bryan adams, aerosmith, anderson bruford wakeman howe, b-52's, anton barbeau, beastie boys, dan bern, jello biafra, black sabbath, blancmange, blue oyster cult, boston, jackson browne, the cars, chris chandler, tracy chapman, noam chomsky, circle jerks, leonard cohen, the connells, crash vegas, crass, dead kennedys, dead milkmen, deep purple, def leppard, victor delorenzo, ani difranco, ronnie james dio, dire straits, discharge, eagles, jeremy enigk, fleetwood mac, john fogerty, foreigner, fugazi, the gits, mark gloster and big rubber shark, golden earring, grateful dead, guns 'n' roses, woody guthrie, heart, bill hicks, homer, hooters, iron maiden, i spy, journey, judas priest, james kelman, kiss, leadbelly, tom leonard, lubricated goat, ashley macisaac, mad at the world, marshall mcluhan, mdc, me first and the gimme gimmes, john cougar mellencamp, metal church, metallica, steve miller band, minor threat, moxy fruvous, the mr. t experience, the minus 5, the mission uk, mojo nixon and skid roper, ozzy osbourne, tom petty, u. utah phillips, robert plant, the previous, psychaedelic furs, propagandhi, queensryche, rage against the machine, reo speedwagon, rhythm activism, robbie robertson, mark ross, david lee roth, scorpions, yasuaki shimizu, the simpsons, smashing pumpkins, spirit of the west, the squirrels, styx, sunny day real estate, supertramp, !tchkung!, temple of the dog, the the, thin lizzy, george thorogood and the delaware destroyers, tilt, tool, the toy dolls, triumph, moe tucker, van halen, violent femmes, weeping tile, wesley willis, "weird al" yankovic discs by these artists comprise 52.8% of my cd collection (not counting soundtracks and compilations.) 51.3% if you take out the spoken-word discs. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:07:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Welker Subject: Grapevine..... "The soundtrack to the film is being released in the UK on October 26th on Warners. The film is going to open in London in November. Thought you'd like to know" This was originally posted on the BSDR message board. Cheers, Pat. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:12:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Danielle Subject: Re: not really *that* bored on a tuesday morning Eddie says: > ok, here are all the artists i own at > least one rekkid by that are NOT featured on the gondola > list (and > therefore are not any good) I *hope* you're being ironic. ;) > the simpsons They may not be on the Gondola List, Eddie, but Songs in the Key of Springfield *did* make his top 15 of last year, if I recall correctly. Danielle, who also remembers every phone number she's ever had PS I think I have the original US pressing of Are You Experienced?. I wish I could actually *look* at it, but it's still sitting in a warehouse in New Orleans. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:17:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Welker Subject: Grapevine... That last post was about Storefront Hitchcock. Of course...... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:13:09 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Indiscipline (100% proggy content) On 31 Aug 98, at 15:34, Zloduska wrote: > What's so embarrassing about listening to Yes, Gentle Giant, Soft > Machine, > and especially KING CRIMSON?!?!?!?! I just don't get it. > There is nothing at all wrong with listening to KC; there are several MAJOR KC fans on this list and I count myself as one of the biggest. King Crimson is to Yes as Homo Sapien is to Australopithicus: a more advanced, highly evolved and better adapted creature which sprang from essentially the same roots. Australopithicus might have had the power of speech, but Homo Sapien has the cell phone ;-) Yes and Gentle Giant never outgrew the pretention and fantasist lyrics and "hateful musical practices"(tmFVZ) that typified "proggy chord-counting"(tmEb) music. KC, on the other hand, continued to grow and expand, consistently producing more virtuosic and challenging music while maintaining a certain integrity and creative symbiosis that the other bands lacked. In simpler terms, KC has grown as we have grown - I would go so far as to say that they have probably outgrown the prog rock label. Yes, the Moodys, ELP and others of their ilk (yes, even Pink Floyd) have regressed into parodies of themselves, still pandering to the lowest common denominator and trying to make themselves appealing to the listeners who have never bothered to ask themselves, "I wonder if Prog Rock has anything to offer me besides wizards, sorcerers, background music for acid trips, Roger's paranoid schizophrenic rants, Jon's topographic oceans and Roger Dean's album covers? Surely there has to be something out there that will challenge me musically and emotionally and let me know that there is more to this genre than art school wankers and 14 minute noodling keyboard solos. I need something that kicks chunky butt with alacrity. I wonder where I can find it." The answer my friend, is King Crimson (stop laughing...it kinda rhymes...) Speaking of pretention: I just reread this post and I almost come off making Robert Fripp sound like Pauly Shore. Sorry - sometimes, it's hard to not to be pretentious when writing about certain subjects. Dig me but don't bury me, - -g- )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( Glen Uber Email: uberg@sonic.net ICQ UIN: 13311304 Web: http://www.sonic.net/~uberg "The war on drugs is a joke and we the people are the punch line." --From a letter to the Editor The Santa Rosa Press Democrat, 31 July 1998 )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 11:31:36 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: everybody clocks your wants (29% starfucking content) wait a second. i just had a fucking THOUGHT, which is always scary. but, quail works on the 55th floor of the empire state building, and the window has no screen. are you with me so far? do the words, "guzzling marshmallows, and then jumping off the empire state" mean anything to y'all? no, i'm not saying quail should do this *himself.* but i *am* saying that quail should get a bunch of balloons, fill them up with tomatoes, houmoce, chick peas and some strips of skin, and launch them out of his office window, with lj filming the festivities from the street. if you wanted to get *really* kubrickian, quail could also film it from *his* angle, then you could splice them together. i say it's item #2 on the permanent feg tape tree, and i'm not EVEN joking about this. life imitates feg dept.: yesterday i was behind, for quite some miles, a car that had many bumperstickers. there were a bunch of really dopey ones, like, "it's not how you pick your nose, it's where you put the booger," and, "of all the things i've lost, i miss my mind the most." but there were also: one that said "jesus" in really fancy script, one that said, "real men love jesus," and a jesus-fish. now here's the clincher: there was also one that said, "i'm proud to be a NAVY PARENT." yup, the military-jesus complex is *about* as fuckin' scary as it gets. however, i'd probably call SANTA MONICA '72 my favorite bowie album. maybe it's not really fair to say that a live album is my favorite (same with the soft boys...), but, if i was just going to pull a bowie album to listen to, that'd be the one, most likely. i'm nothing like an expert on the chronology, but, listening to that album always makes me wonder if mick ronson invented heavy metal. would it be fair to say that, after robyn, bowie is the most adored artist on this list? even moreso than the beatles? hey, a fave-artists poll would be pretty cool. (*not* volunteering to conduct this one.) and truthfully, there's nothing wrong with THAT SONG, apart from overexposure. but what is anyone doing listening to commercial radio? (although i will admit, i at one time dreamed of owning a radio station, to have the call letters KZEP, which would play nothin' but zeppelin, 24/7.) has anybody ever listened to it backwards? i have a friend who did, and he says the satanic messages are crystal clear. it's one of the things i've been intending to do for years upon years. one time in drivers' ed class, they were showing a filmstrip about...about how to be a good driver, i guess. my memory's a little hazy. but one part of the soundtrack had that exact line on it (probably something to do with not having your car stereo too loud, i suppose.) everybody in the class 'bout shit a brick, and that was *the* topic of conversation for the day. although personally, i think the best moment is the line, "i don't want no tutti frutti, no light-a pop. ah, come on baby just rock, rock, rock, yeah." i'd even go so far as to say that Boogie With Stu is the best zeppelin song after Kashmir. and also because it was recorded *before* they broke up. i'd always, for some reason, thought that it'd been recorded a few years later than that. then you're gonna LOVE Velvet Goldmine, susie. so am i, o' course. Safe is probably in my top-ten for the decade, and i had the good fortune to have had a prof. in college who was a freind of a friend of todd haynes, and so got to see Superstar in her class. carter burwell is doing music, too! anybody heard a release date? mike, you get a gold star for the day! very impressive. this reminds me of the sort of thing bill james used to do in the early '90's. he'd take a "fact" that was commonly accepted as truth, then go do a bunch of research, exposing the "fact" for utter myth. fascinating. not even jim morrison? see, that's all that *really* matters, although it's nice to see that so many people are fighting it tooth and nail. Are there not instances when the refusal to serve is a sacred duty, when "treason" means courageous respect for the truth? --Manifesto of the 121 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 14:29:54 -0400 From: tanter Subject: Re: Grapevine... At 11:17 AM 9/1/1998 -0700, Patrick Welker wrote: > That last post was about Storefront Hitchcock. Of course...... what's that? ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:36:57 -0400 From: "Chaney, Dolph L" Subject: RE: everybody clocks your wants (29% starfucking content) re: cars with MANY bumperstickers. Cars with many bumperstickers can be really scary. My fave story revolves around a weekend roadtrip I made from Atlanta to Baltimore and back. In northern Virginia, I got behind a maroon Toyota van (perhaps, a maroon *in* a Toyota van) with no less than 8 bumperstickers. wroteasongaboutit-liketahearit?herewego. - ---------------------------------------------------------- Lutherans care, Lutherans care, Lutherans care, and they vote for Bob Dole. (repeat) I love the Handley judges. I love the Handley judges. Lutherans care, Lutherans care, Lutherans care, and they vote for Bob Dole. - -------------------------------------------------------- *sigh* Oh, and Robyn Hitchcock is cool! Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 14:33:22 -0400 From: tanter Subject: Re: everybody clocks your wants (29% starfucking content) At 11:31 AM 9/1/1998 -0700, Capitalism Blows wrote: >life imitates feg dept.: yesterday i was behind, for quite some miles, >a car that had many bumperstickers. there were a bunch of really dopey >ones, like, "it's not how you pick your nose, it's where you put the >booger," and, "of all the things i've lost, i miss my mind the most." >but there were also: one that said "jesus" in really fancy script, one >that said, "real men love jesus," and a jesus-fish. now here's the >clincher: there was also one that said, "i'm proud to be a NAVY >PARENT." yup, the military-jesus complex is *about* as fuckin' scary as >it gets. Well, I can almost relate to that. Our PTO in this god-forsaken state of Texas is raffling off a rifle to raise money for some educational programs. I called the chair of the fundraising committee last night to "complain" and her husband grabbed the phone out of her hand to give me an earful. Once I insisted he listen to me, he calmed down and I said to him, "would your church raffle a rifle?" "We don't have raffles,"said he, "we tithe." "Well, what if you needed money for a new steeple or something?" "We just tithe more." Marcy (still pissed off about it) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:51:40 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: everybody clocks your wants (29% starfucking content) On 1 Sep 98, at 11:31, Capitalism Blows wrote: > i'm nothing like an expert on the chronology, but, listening to > that album always makes me wonder if mick ronson invented heavy > metal. "It wasn't called heavy metal when I invented it." - --Dave Davies In Heavy Rotation today: Art of Noise/daft; Elvis Costello and the Attractions/Imperial Bedroom; Miranda Sex Garden/Fairytales Of Slavery; The Baltimore Consort and The Merry Companions/The Art Of The Bawdy Song; The End Of The Violence Soundtrack (another whee!!! of 1998!!!) - -g- )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( Glen Uber Email: uberg@sonic.net ICQ UIN: 13311304 Web: http://www.sonic.net/~uberg "The war on drugs is a joke and we the people are the punch line." --From a letter to the Editor The Santa Rosa Press Democrat, 31 July 1998 )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 11:59:18 -0700 From: Jason Thornton Subject: RE: everybody clocks your wants (29% starfucking content) At 02:36 PM 9/1/98 -0400, "Chaney, Dolph L" wrote: >re: cars with MANY bumperstickers. My car has ONE bumperstick, which simply reads "We're doomed." - --Jason np: The Olivia Tremor Control, "...Dusk at Cubist Castle" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:03:48 -0400 From: "Chaney, Dolph L" Subject: RE: Indiscipline (100% proggy content) To (yet again) underscore what GUber had to say, I am right now listening to Genesis' _Foxtrot_ CD with complete impunity -- and loving it! Ha! (the following is a distended rant and all In My Homely Opinion -- be warned) Peter Gabriel, in the group and solo, can get by with stuff that lots of other people try to get by with and fail. Some of these things would be costumes, long allegory songs with satirical and/or political overtones, and an annoying tendency to feature impeccable musicianship at all times. (JOKE) He can get by with it (and has done so!) because he does have a sense of humor to temper his sense of drama (or melodrama -- see "Family Snapshot"), a sense of handling intimate moments as well as grand ones. Plus, he has a very convincing vocal presence and performing presence -- key elements for avoiding marginalization in rock, much as I love many artists that lack one or the other of these. For example, I'd heard a lot of carping about Gentle Giant's vocals being not-ready-for-prime-time. When I listened to _Octopus_ over the weekend, I was surprised that they were even in key, some of the criticism had been so strong. But they were, quite so, and furthermore the vocal arrangements were intricate and attractive. The more I listened, though, the more I noticed that the vocalist(s) had virtually no sense of how to interpret a song, how to follow a lyric's moodswings and development (granted, for Gentle Giant lyrics, that would require having played Frodo in dinner theatre to support oneself in college... which, actually, they probably did). That interpretive sense is the key to good rock singing, I think. Why is prime Bob Dylan (or even occasionally-off-key Robyn) well sung? Because the light in his head is obviously on, and he's paying attention to what he's singing. Blank delivery, of course, can be a choice -- but it needs to be CONVINCINGLY blank rather than merely vacant. (This would be a problem with bad Dylan albums, too -- he stops paying attention while singing and gets noticeably bored.) Geez. What am I doing? Sorry. Um, anyway... Peter Gabriel gets by with it. To some people, so does Jon Anderson, because HE clearly believes what he's singing makes sense and matters. But most people I've met who've heard older Yes just smile and shake their head at Yes lyrics, and I think they're pretty well justified in doing so (see http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/1031/day2.html, if you dare, for further Dolph Yes-vocal-theorizing). Fripp & Eno (together and apart) have the same sort of artistic command. They sort of radiate this sense that they utterly know what they're doing and are in control of it. Like Gabriel, they've taken part in the albums that enjoyed the greatest commercial success of any prog-leaning artist (_So_, _Us_, and the Bowie Berlin trilogy). Gabriel, Fripp, and Eno are also all still working. So is Yes -- whichever group of alumni have decided they can stand each other enough to play "Owner Of A Lonely Heart" and "Roundabout" for 70 straight nights THIS time, anyway. The difference is that many people are still eager to hear new Gabriel and Fripp-related works (Eno's quality control has been erratic enough that this isn't as applicable). I think the Feg that mentioned last week that he has _Open Your Eyes_ (the new Yes album) is the first person I know of who still has it and originally paid for it rather than receiving a review or promo copy. Eek. OK. I go not talk for while now bye bye peeples Dolph now switching discs to: Robert Wyatt, _Mid-Eighties_ (still relevant) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #340 *******************************