From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #338 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, August 31 1998 Volume 07 : Number 338 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: What Is And What Will Never Be (90% Soft Boys, 4% Tom Petty, 4% Eagles content, 2% Beatles content) ["Capit] Let's Scorn! (0% Chayanne content) [Jason Thornton ] RE: Tell Me About Your Duds ["Chaney, Dolph L" ] Re: Let's Scorn! [kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander)] consolidation/MOTD [Eb ] Re: Jesus fish, Darwin fish, swimming in the water (0% RH) [Jason Thornto] Re: What Is And What Will Never Be (90% Soft Boys, 4% Tom Petty, 4% Eagles content, 2% Beatles content) [] Re: new thread [kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander)] Re: What Is And What Will Never Be (90% Soft Boys, 4% Tom Petty, 4% Eagles content, 2% Beatles content) [] Re: Tell Me About Your Duds [kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander)] Re: Fishies In The Seas, Lemmings On The Land ["Charles Gillett" ] The Quail's guiltiest pleasure [The Great Quail Subject: Re: What Is And What Will Never Be (90% Soft Boys, 4% Tom Petty, 4% Eagles content, 2% Beatles content) don't know if it's the same guy or not, but the egyptians had a roadie called howie. i remember them talking about him on some radio show, saying without him, the egyptians couldn't exist, or something like that. also, in the middle of STAND BACK, DENNIS, andy's having some sort of problem, and says, "howie, could you please come up here very, very fast." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:32:06 -0700 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Let's Scorn! (0% Chayanne content) At 11:58 AM 8/31/98 -0700, Danielle wrote: >Jason, I am quite possibly going to be utterly quashed for this (help, >Susan!), but Let's Dance (1983) is one of my very favourite Bowie >albums. Feel free to scorn me. :) Scorn? Me? Never! 'Let's Dance' was the first Bowie album I ever owned, at 15, which I postively adored at the time. Because of 'Let's Dance' I went out and purchased 'ChangesOneBowie,' which led me to a whole new world. Luckily a ska-free one. In retrospect, I just don't think 'Let's Dance' is as strong as most of his other works - in fact, far inferior, and thus hardly worth mentioning. :) I still listen to it occasionally, but mainly to the first three tracks, and "Puttin' Out Fire." I'll admit that it's still bundleloads better than 'Tonight' or 'Never Let Me Down,' although I do like "Loving the Alien" from the former, and that wonderful rap from Mickey Rourke on the latter. If Bowie had done an entire album with Pat Metheny, the mid-'80's might have been a different story for him. - --Jason np: Greg Howard, "Stick Figures" (i was joking 'bout the rap) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:36:45 -0400 From: "Chaney, Dolph L" Subject: RE: Tell Me About Your Duds Hoo boy. Me gots lots o' dese. PART ONE: I'M A PROGGIE! I don't usually qualify as a "chord-counter," though, because even my own very-not-prog little pop songs have way too many chords in them, and counting would just depress me. So... Rush -- my first big arena concert (_Presto_ tour -- big inflating rocking rabbits!!!). I haven't owned any Rush for years, but I would still defend _Grace Under Pressure_ at great length, _Permanent Waves_ less so. Yes -- my second big arena concert (_Onion_, er, _Union_ tour with the 8-man lineup -- at least I got to see Bruford live!) I'm a big sucker for Yes. Howe is among my favorite guitarists, I love way-too-busy bass playing, and dang! it's Bruford on drums (on the albums I like, anyway) And then there's Jon's little pixie vocals... hey! there's an idea -- Pixie vocals! Get Black Francis (not Frank Black) to sing some Yes tunes! Hey, both the Pixies and Yes have covered the Beatles on live retrospectives, it could happen... ;-) (and, in further agreement with Glen-o, I heard Gentle Giant's _Octopus_ over the weekend and thought, "gee, you know, this is nice music, and these fellows are probably very nice fellows. gee.") King Crimson, Soft Machine, have more cred and are less embarrassing, but I still manage to like 'em a lot. PART TWO: OTHER (but not "other" enough) My liking of Fleetwood Mac (from '75-82) is also mildly embarrassing. (oddly, though, certain bits of Chris Knox's _Songs Of You & Me_ sounds to me like what Lindsey Buckingham would sound like if he had actually GONE INSANE rather than just writing "Go Insane.") (not that there's anything wrong with either one.) I could also imagine someone thinking slightly askance of me for liking Suddenly, Tammy! But they're so cuuuuuuuuute that I would just think of that sort of person as a very cruel person not worth my time. Probably. 8-) I also like The Monkees. Mainly, because of the show: hey, they put a theremin, Frank Zappa and Tim Buckley on primetime -- while STILL managing to be funny! But I like several of their songs, too. Good memories of Nickelodeon reruns, plus a defining moment with my dad, where I was watching the show, enraptured, and Dad in his Understanding Voice (tm) comes by and says, "So, son, how long *have* you liked The Beatles?" Anyway. Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:34:49 -0500 From: Zloduska Subject: so-called Duds Glen wrote: >Okay. If it's dismal we wouldn't like it, right? I think what you >mean is "What do you like that you would never admit to >anyone else (at least on this list) for fear or retribution and public >humiliation? >Yes >Gentle Giant Dolph wrote: >(and, in further agreement with Glen-o, I heard Gentle Giant's _Octopus_ >over the weekend and thought, "gee, you know, this is nice music, and these >fellows are probably very nice fellows. gee.") > >King Crimson, Soft Machine, have more cred and are less embarrassing, but I >still manage to like 'em a lot. Hi. What's so embarrassing about listening to Yes, Gentle Giant, Soft Machine, and especially KING CRIMSON?!?!?!?! I just don't get it. ~kjs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:05:32 -0400 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: Re: Let's Scorn! >>Jason, I am quite possibly going to be utterly quashed for this (help, >>Susan!), but Let's Dance (1983) is one of my very favourite Bowie >>albums. Feel free to scorn me. :) > >Scorn? Me? Never! 'Let's Dance' was the first Bowie album I ever owned, >at 15, which I postively adored at the time. Because of 'Let's Dance' I >went out and purchased 'ChangesOneBowie,' which led me to a whole new >world. that's what happened to me! to this day, 'china girl' is one of my all time favorites. can you believe that's stevie ray vaughan on guitar? i remember irritating my girlfriend at the time by singing 'space oddity' all the time when i first got _changes_. since then i've tried to get everything. still some holes in the seventies catalogue; but there's something worth hearing on every bowie album, if you ask me. ken "who usually isn't asked" the kenster ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:04:30 -0700 From: Eb Subject: consolidation/MOTD Ken: >>The Amps/Pacer [rating a "phooey"] >compared to what? there's some great stuff on this one. The Pixies, the Breeders, Kelley Deal 6000...several dozen other records released that year.... That album sounded to me like it was written in a hour, and recorded in two. Epitomizes "half-assed." >>Bruce Springsteen - What the hell has he done for us lately? >so the guy's had more success in the nineties with soundtracks than >anything else? so what? maybe you should check out 'the ghost of tom >joad', or even 'lucky town'. I think that The Ghost of Tom Joad perfectly illustrates how badly Springsteen's instincts have gone astray. He tries to do another Nebraska (a fantastic album, btw), but he's so completely confused about his artistic direction in the face of commercial expectations that he records the damn thing completely wrong, with all the same slick sterile gloss that has sunk just about everything he's done since Nebraska. The songs weren't bad, but he destroyed any resonance that album could've had with its VH1 production. The guy just has no clue, anymore. And let's lose that new gay biker-boy look, all right? Mousse and Springsteen just don't mix. Or at least, mousse and the classic Springsteen whom we admired. Quail: >Actually, Eb, Jeme is right. He *was* the first one to coin "Quailspew." Hmm. Well, PHOOEY. I guess it's a case of creative synchronicity then, because I never saw him say it. >By the way, there's a weird scene going on here in ol' NYC. >...Maybe the aliens have finally landed? Something tells me they're hanging out at the New York Stock Exchange. >This disturbs me only in the fact that it implies you *liked* the first >Tin Machine Album. I did, actually. Just in the high-B range (that's a 12 or13, for you That Which Didn't Sink fans), but there were four or five great slashing tunes on there (uhh...I haven't listened to it in ages...glancing at my disc..."Baby Can't Dance," "Crack City," "I Can't Read"...). I mean, I certainly like it better than Tonight and Never Let Me Down, for instance. And maybe better than (nyaah) Let's Dance. It was too long, though -- I always felt like the pointless "Working Class Hero" cover and "Amazing" (this track really annoys me) should've been dropped. And sorry, Jason, I have the live album and really didn't think it needed to released at all. And that Roxy Music cover stinks to high heaven. >My biggest "phooey" in the 90s was Yes' "Big Generator," but that may not >surprise some of you, being the proggie chord-counter that I am. And the >Moody's "Keys to the Kingdom," what does that get? Oh lordy...were you let down by the last Joe Cocker album, too? ;) Oh, and Glen, I find guilty-pleasure threads staggeringly lame, but since you specifically asked, here is a reprint of a post I made to the Costello list eons ago (I saved it for exact times like these): "Some guilty pleasures (to sharply varying degrees): Sicky sweet/bubblegum: Jellyfish, The Wondermints, The Pooh Sticks, The Lemon Pipers & other '60s Buddah bubblegum, Veruca Salt, That Dog, Tiny Lights, Lush, Eric Carmen, Oliver, Imperial Drag, The Cavedogs, Juliana Hatfield/Blake Babies, Velocity Girl, Poi Dog Pondering, Milla, Little Red Rocket, The Balancing Act, Petula Clark, Mary Hopkin, Cat Stevens, The Soup Dragons, Red Box, The Association, The Lewis & Clarke Expedition, The Cleaners From Venus, The Cowsills, Claudine Longet, Tiny Tim, Shelleyan Orphan, The Wonder Stuff, They Might Be Giants/Mono Puff, Christmas, Plasticland, Stump. Pretentious/artsy blecchiness: ELP, Monks of Doom, Genesis, Yes, Jethro Tull, The Moody Blues, The United States of America/Joe Byrd & The Field Hippies, McDonald & Giles, Blackgirls, Quiet Sun, Walter Carlos, Jean-Michel Jarre, Richard Harris, Portsmouth Sinfonia, Gong, The Ordinaires, Laibach, The Blue Aeroplanes, Primus, Straitjacket Fits, Crispin Hellion Glover (he did make an album...), Virginia Astley, Reptile, The Crazy World of Arthur Brown, Game Theory/The Loud Family, Birdsongs of the Mesozoic, The Moog Cookbook. Other: Jesus Jones, Alanis Morissette, Sarah McLachlan, Blinker The Star, Tin Machine [!], King Missile, Mojo Nixon & Skid Roper, The Rain Parade, (some) Pop Will Eat Itself, The Guess Who, Wild Man Fischer, The GTO's." So there ya go. Frame that, and move on. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:13:31 -0700 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Re: Jesus fish, Darwin fish, swimming in the water (0% RH) At 11:36 AM 8/29/98 +0800, Jon Fetter wrote: > I'm wating to see a "Buddha" fish. Maybe in a Ying Yang design. Actually, wouldn't that be a Taoist fish? A fat fish, sitting with fins crossed in lotus position, might make a good "Buddha" fish. Well, a good Mahayana Buddhism "Buddha" fish. A good Theravada Buddhism "Buddha" fish might be a really skinny fish, with a funky pointy hat, also sitting in lotus position. Maybe THAT'S something I should market. - --Jason np: Primus, "Frizzle Fry" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:18:52 -0400 (EDT) From: normal@grove.ufl.edu Subject: Re: What Is And What Will Never Be (90% Soft Boys, 4% Tom Petty, 4% Eagles content, 2% Beatles content) > "Yesterday" should have been credited not to the Beatles, but to > Paul McCartney only -- he was the only one on playing on it, after > all. Excepting the string quartet backing him, you're right. > Any other examples? A fair amount of "Pet Sounds" featured only Brian Wilson. I believe that some of the instrumental tracks feature 0 Beach Boys, though I may be wrong. (WHen "Caroline No" was released as a single, it was in Brian Wilson's name) A lot of Monkees material was done with one Monkee and a lot of session musicians. (Only Davy appeared on "A Little Bit Me") A number of Monkees tunes were essentially Nesmith solo numbers. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:26:08 -0400 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: Re: new thread >>"Gwyneth Paltrow's ponytail looked like it exploded at the Perfect Murder >>premiere, and Cameron Diaz showed up in bobby pins on Rosie O'Donnell's >>show. What's going on?" >> >>I've been kept up all week, musing about this. Anyone have any thoughts? i guess that cameron gave up on the "gel". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:23:43 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: What Is And What Will Never Be (90% Soft Boys, 4% Tom Petty, 4% Eagles content, 2% Beatles content) >A lot of Monkees material was done with one Monkee and a lot of session >musicians. (Only Davy appeared on "A Little Bit Me") A number of Monkees >tunes were essentially Nesmith solo numbers. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:26:00 -0400 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: Re: Tell Me About Your Duds >> tell us what *really* dismal stuff you >> like. :) (uh oh... i sense a thread coming on...) the smiths, the cure, joy division, bauhaus, nick cave, pj harvey... >Okay. If it's dismal we wouldn't like it, right? I think what you >mean is "What do you like that you would never admit to >anyone else (at least on this list) for fear or retribution and public >humiliation?" oh, well here's a sampler: frankie goes to hollywood olivia newton-john the spice girls fleetwood mac neil diamond the bee-gees culture club duran duran the eagles the fixx madonna abba ken "kitchy-keen" the kenster ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:28:15 +0000 From: "Charles Gillett" Subject: Re: Fishies In The Seas, Lemmings On The Land On Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:55:42 -0700, "Glen Uber" wrote: > Just as not all people who wear items inscribed with "WWJD" are > Christians. Going even further off topic, one of my favorite little stupid things on the web is the Dysfunctional Family Circus at Spinnwebe (http://www.spinnwebe.com/dfc/), and one of my favorite recent captions was: At times like this, with the children half naked and Thel's breasts jiggling fetchingly, Bil wondered "what would Jesus do?". Unfortuately for the Keane family "Jesus" was the desperate Mexican ex-con who worked at the local carwash. --Opie Anyway.... - -- Charles NP: "Bettie Serveert plays Venus in Furs and other Velvet Underground songs" (What? Did I buy this thing?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:54:49 -0400 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: Top 20 CDs owned By People Who Don't Like Music here's an article someone posted on the subbacultcha list. how many do you own? >Top 20 CDs Owned By People Who Don't Like Music > >by Jason Josephes with Tom Hallett > >Every six months, one of the many music magazines out there will try to do >some sort of roundup like "The 10 Greatest Albums of All-Time" or The Best >Albums of the '70s." That's all well and good for music fans but what >about that guy with his car stereo and work clock radio glued on a >repetive pop station? The guy buys maybe four CDs a year and, when he >hits the vast back catalog of music history, sticks to what he knows. He >hasn't been able to relate to any of thse rock rags. Until now. This is >his list. > >How did we come up with this list? Scientific research, baby? We checked >dorm rooms, we called a few people in Bellevue, and the rest was pieced >togethyer with generous strips of hearsay. We had but one criteria: >Longevity. No Spice girls for the exact same reason no New Kids on the >Block. The 20 discs here will continue their mighty vice grip on the >otherwise broad musical spectrum, squeezing outso much pus from so shallow >a wound. This isn't a slam on anyone who owns these albums but is this >list represents more than 65 percent of your collection, you have no soul. > >1. ABBA: Gold >Hands down, the single worst CD in existence. Abba Gold is less an album >an more a modern-day Polio on our ears with no Jonas Salk in sight. >"Dancing Queen," "Lay All Your Love on Me" and (especially) "Knowing Me >Knowing You" all proudly wear their lowest common denominator on their >sleeve. Hey, Abba, it's not gold it's a freakin' booger. > >2. FLEETWOOD MAC: Rumours or Greatest Hits >The stench oon either of these interchangable releases is shitwagon >strong, and luckily, most of us know it. For people not cool enough to be >hippies and not smart enough to care. It's a sure bet if someone you know >owns a lot of pretty scarves and at least two cats, they've got one of >these albums. > >3. STEVE MILLER BAND: Greatest Hits >This isn't an album so much as primitive form of cryogenics, a last >desperate attempt to freeze the letterman's jacket, the prep bowl trophy >and the virginity left behind. Now polluting it's third generation, Steve >Miller's Greatest hits will even outlive the cockroaches after the plague >erases us from the map. > >4. THE EAGLES: Their Greatest Hits 1971-1975 >It's expected that within the next five years the Eagles' Their Greatest >Hits 1971-1975 will surpass Micheal Jackson' Thriller as the biggest >selling album of all time. That is, unless Glenn Frey builds a theme park >in his backyard. > >5. GREASE: Original Soundtrack >'90s remastering playing host to '70's nostalgia of '50s as sung by people >in their 30s. Shoot me now. > >6. SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER: Original Soundtrack >...And wherever Grease goes, Saturday Night Fever goes. Enough said. > >7. ENYA: Watermark >"South Park" compared old age to sitting in a dark closet and listening to >Watermark. Nuff said. > >8. TITANIC: Original Soundtrack >I read that 13-year-old girls like to get together, play the soundtrack >and have "crying parties." Remember when we used to go outside and have >fun? Jesus! > >9. BOB MARLEY: Legend >Hypothetically, if I can't see God, he doesn't exist. Similarly, if I >can't find anyone who owns a reggae album besides Legend, then Legend is >the only reggae album ever recorded. > >10. AC/DC: Back in Black >$25,000 PYRAMID WASHED-UP CELEBRITY GUEST STAR: Back of the car..., on the >rec-room floor..., in a partially constructed homecoming float.., after >hours at the lube shop..., the bar pool table..., older sister's >bedroom... >$25,000 PYRAMID CONTESTANT: Places where people got laid while listening >to Back in Black! >DING DIND DING DING DING DING > >11. PAUL SIMON: Graceland >The greatest David Byrne solo album ever. > >12. DAVE MATTHEWS BAND: Under the Table and Dreaming >This one's for the guy who wants more out of life, taking those first >hesitant steps away from counting crows but not yet ready to dwell upon >the finnesse that is Phish. Nice try, but... > >13. BONNIE RAITT: Nick of TIme >The sad result of when old white people get the blues. She get bonus >points only because she kind of looks like my mom. > >14. LYNARD SKYNARD: Gold and Platinum: >Two words "Free Bird" > >15. Led Zepplin: 4 >Three words: "Stairway to Heaven" > >16. Garth Brooks: Roping the Wind >The only good thing Garth ever did for any of us was to take the spotlight >away from Hank Jr. Indeed, Ropin' the Wind was the sacrifice fly of of >country music. > >17. ERIC CLAPTON: Unplugged >Worthy of inclusion only because the new, boring "Layla" replaced the old, >cool "Layla" for all-time. > >18. Pearl Jam: Ten >The sad truth: There is no such thing as Pearl Jam. They're the >by-product of a three-person star chamer-like conspiracy trying to take >press space away from the development of viable solar power. The music >part was simply an afterthought that became the definative soundtrack for >backwards baseball caps everywhere. > >19. ANY DISCO COMPILATION FEATURING GLORIA GAYNOR'S "I WILL SURVIVE" AND >THE VILLAGE PEOPLE'S "YMCA" >Quick-name the other songs in the Gloria Gaynor cannon. She survived in >the same way any one-hit wonder survived, by taking a snowball Nostalgia >and rolling it down a hill called Mediocrity. As for the Village People, >they've transcended their gay icon status into '70s icon status. Score >one for the ol' rainbow flag. > >20. ELTON JOHN: "Candle in the Wind '97" >I guarandamntee you this ka-ching on Di's kerplunk is going to be the next >great white trash heirloom, like a 50-states spoon collection or any >rip-off pie the Franklin Mint Has its finger in. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:47:00 -0700 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Tin Machine (99% Andy Mackay content, 1% Natale Merchant content) At 02:04 PM 8/31/98 -0700, Eb wrote: >I did, actually. Just in the high-B range (that's a 12 or13, for you That >Which Didn't Sink fans), but there were four or five great slashing tunes >on there (uhh...I haven't listened to it in ages...glancing at my >disc..."Baby Can't Dance," "Crack City," "I Can't Read"...). "Tin Machine" and "Under the God" are outstanding as well. >And sorry, Jason, I have the live album and really didn't think it needed >to released at all. And that Roxy Music cover stinks to high heaven. Oh...I LOOOVE that song..."If There Is Somthing." That was a real live WHEEEEEE! moment for me. It's also on Tin Machine II. You know what Roxy cover truly annoys me? The 10,000 Maniacs cover of "More Than This." Lackluster and pathetic. Bleh! :) - --Jason (one Trinity: Bowie, Eno, and Sylvian - maybe not in that order) sp: Primus, "Frizzle Fry" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:08:12 -0700 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Re: Let's Scorn! (100% NO RH content) At 05:05 PM 8/31/98 -0400, kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) wrote: >>Scorn? Me? Never! 'Let's Dance' was the first Bowie album I ever owned, >>at 15, which I postively adored at the time. Because of 'Let's Dance' I >>went out and purchased 'ChangesOneBowie,' which led me to a whole new >>world. > >that's what happened to me! to this day, 'china girl' is one of my all >time favorites. can you believe that's stevie ray vaughan on guitar? You may hate me for saying this, but I much prefer the Iggy Pop version nowadays. Still like SRV's guitar, though, and the way Bowie screams "it's in the white of my eyes!" "China Girl" is definitely the standout track on "Let's Dance." I also prefer the single versions of "Puttin' Out Fire" (much different) and "Let's Dance" (shorter) to the ones that appear on the album. >i >remember irritating my girlfriend at the time by singing 'space oddity' all >the time when i first got _changes_. since then i've tried to get >everything. still some holes in the seventies catalogue; but there's >something worth hearing on every bowie album, if you ask me. Yeah, I'd agree...even 'Never Let Me Down' had "Time Will Crawl" and "Zeroes." Well, those are BARELY worth mentioning. Most everything on almost every '70's and '90's Bowie album (and the 2 '80's CD's I mentioned) is worth hearing. And the "Blue Jean" video is pretty damn funny, now that I think about it. My guilty pleasures include synth-pop, canto-pop, and Morrissey! - --Jason ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:05:29 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Top 20 CDs owned By People Who Don't Like Music On 8/31/98 2:54 PM, Ken Ostrander wrote: >here's an article someone posted on the subbacultcha list. >how many do you own? > > Three. But I have an alibi. >>Top 20 CDs Owned By People Who Don't Like Music >> >>by Jason Josephes with Tom Hallett >> >> >>2. FLEETWOOD MAC: Rumours or Greatest Hits The wife picked it out of the cutout bin. We have three cats and no scarves. >> >>15. Led Zepplin: 4 Puleeeze. Who doesn't have this? >>18. Pearl Jam: Ten Fuck Eddie Vedder. There's some damn good guitar playing on this record. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:24:59 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Top 20 (just two, for me) I have Graceland and Led Zeppelin IV, and make no apologies for that. Both great records. Though I *did* resist getting Led Zeppelin IV until only about a year ago, just because I'm so sick of THAT SONG. I've long claimed that the greatest rock 'n' roll moment in Led Zeppelin's catalog is that part in "Misty Mountain Hop" where Plant embellishes a line of the verse with "And BABYBABYBABY do you LI-IKE it??" That kills me! :) Speaking of killing me, I could look at this URL for hours. http://www.bway.net/~hunger/ch12-ulys.html Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 98 18:51:42 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: The Quail's guiltiest pleasure Heh heh. "Iron Maiden." Enough said? - --Q ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Keeper of the Libyrinth: http://www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth "Countlessness of livestories have netherfallen by this plage, flick as flowflakes, litters from aloft, like a waast wizzard all of whirlworlds. Now are all tombed to the mound, isges to isges, erde from erde . . . (Stoop) if you are abcedminded, to this claybook, what curious of signs (please stoop) in this allaphbed! Can you rede (since We and Thou had it out already) its world? . . . Speak to us of Emailia!" --James Joyce, Finnegans Wake ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:02:25 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Let's Dance (0% RH) In a message dated 98-08-31 14:59:16 EDT, you write: << I am quite possibly going to be utterly quashed for this (help, Susan!), but Let's Dance (1983) is one of my very favourite Bowie albums. Feel free to scorn me. :) >> I think it's a really good album. It's probably only, like, my 7th or 8th favorite Bowie album, but that's just because I think he's great and has made a ton of great albums. Still, the 8th best Bowie album kicks butt on the best album by 90% of the artists out there at any given point in time -- it sounds like an overestimation, but I bet it's really an underestimation, especially when you factor in contemporary country, nearly any R&B record made in the past two decades, all rap, grunge, a good deal of the jazz made since "Bitches Brew," and most recent Celtic music (not that I'm in any way biased toward any particular stye of music from any particular era, mind you ;-)). - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:17:21 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Tell Me About Your Duds In a message dated 98-08-31 16:02:31 EDT, you write: << > tell us what *really* dismal stuff you > like. :) (uh oh... i sense a thread coming on...) Okay. If it's dismal we wouldn't like it, right? I think what you mean is "What do you like that you would never admit to anyone else (at least on this list) for fear or retribution and public humiliation?" >> CDs that I own and still really like: 1) A-ha: Hunting High and Low 2) Abba: Gold (one of the Top 20 albums owned by people who actually like music almost as much as Life itself, thank you) 3) Asia: Alpha ("I mean, c'mon, get over it already!" "No, I can't. . . I just can't!") 4) Culture Club: some kinda budget-line best of 5) Duran Duran: Rio, Decade and the self-titled 'Wedding Album' 6) FGTH: Welcome to the Pleasure Dome 7) Icicle Works: self-titled 8) Billy Joel: da Stranger 9) Feargul Sharkey: self-titled (huh? who? why?) 10) and about a m(ar)illion Marillion titles, of course There are probably many more, but I'm not at home to be able to look at them, plus I kinda ran outta gas half-way through making the list. I'm glad to see so many people listing out "bad" 80's new-wave-pop like Culture Club, the Fixx and Frankie. That's cool (in a really geeky sort of way, of course). - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 98 16:41:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: What Is And What Will Never Be (90% Soft Boys, 4% Tom Petty, >> "Yesterday" should have been credited not to the Beatles, but to >> Paul McCartney only -- he was the only one on playing on it, after >> all. >> Any other examples? only about a billion. I think the point has been lost. Alls I'm saying is the three songs Kimberley Rew recorded with the Soft Boys backing can be considered Soft Boys tracks. Chiefly because they are credited as being "with the Soft Boys" on the record, but also because it was the Soft Boys playing with Kimberley singing instead of Robyn. >A lot of Monkees material was done with one Monkee and a lot of session >musicians. (Only Davy appeared on "A Little Bit Me") A number of Monkees >tunes were essentially Nesmith solo numbers. And it's well documented that many of the Archies tracks featured a session tambourine player because Betty was too doped out to play correctly. I don't think we *really* want to get into a discussion about who actually played on every song ever recorded. (or do we?) - -rUss ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #338 *******************************