From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #332 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, August 28 1998 Volume 07 : Number 332 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Jesus fish vs. Darwin fish; other fishies too [Mike Runion ] Re: Jesus fish vs. Darwin fish; other fishies too [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Jesus fish vs. Darwin fish; other fishies too [X-Communicate ] Rhino snubs Robyn [Eb ] Re: what they just said on Jerry Springer [Christopher Gross ] Re: Eb Calling [Capuchin ] Re: Whee Calling [Eb ] Eb's faves and another Gondolism ["Jonathan Livingston Seagull, I presume] Re: Jesus fish, Darwin fish, swimming in the water [Jason Thornton ] Re: Jesus fish vs. Darwin fish; other fishies too [Lobsterman ] Re: Jesus fish vs. Darwin fish; other fishies too [Gregory Stuart Shell <] fish/falsettos [Bayard ] Re: falsettos [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Jesus fish vs. Darwin fish; other fishies too [Capuchin ] "our law..." [Bayard ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:55:54 -0700 From: Mike Runion Subject: Re: Jesus fish vs. Darwin fish; other fishies too Ken Sabatini wrote: > Last one: Now I've never seen this, but let's suppose there was a car > with a Jesus-fish AND a Darwin fish, except the Darwin fish was bigger > and its mouth was opened and it was in the process of eating the Jesus > fish. Now this would be a clearer statement: "Darwin Rules, Dude!" > OR reverse it and have the Jesus fish eating Darwin. Well, I thought these were ubiquitous already down here in the RIGHTeous South, but if you haven't seen the latest incarnation bumper-sticker, here it is: Big Jesus fish bearing down with open jaws on a small Darwin fish. The caption below reads "Survival Of The Fittest". (He he...that's just so clever, guys) Mike n.p. REM In The Attic - -- Mike Runion Cocoa, FL, USA /******************************************************************\ | VCM: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/cones.htm | | Fegmaps: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/fegmaps | | Spoken Word Tape: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/wordtape.htm | \******************************************************************/ "Wait a minute. Time for a Planetary Sit-In!" - Julian Cope ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:03:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: London Calling On Fri, 28 Aug 1998 MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: > I'm a big chronologizer (or whatever). That one had always plagued me, in > fact . . . until I got the "Wee Rock Discography!" It's a pretty cool book. I think Eb should compile his criticism (should he be the kind of person who wrote any kinds of criticism that relates to music things) into a book entitled "Wheeeeee Rock Discography!" Or would it just be a pamphlet? Would it even be double-sided? - --J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:07:47 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Jesus fish vs. Darwin fish; other fishies too In a message dated 98-08-28 14:35:30 EDT, you write: << But this week I saw something new. It was a bumper sticker with a picture of the Darwin fish, but the Darwin fish was circled with one of those "no" lines diagonally running through it. You know, like the no-smoking signs. So, what does this communicate? That the person doesn't accept Darwin's research/theorizing whatsoever? OR he accepts it but he also accepts God having a hand in the process and thereby sees the Darwin fish as meaning "Darwin only (no God)?" OR some other combination? An unclear message. >> Hmm. When I see something with a line going through it (a la the "no smoking sign), I see that as absolute. A totally clear message, from my perspective: Darwin can go F@#% himself (and God be merciful on his soul, yadaa-yadda). << Now I've also seen a car with a whole bunch (school) of fish on it. They were not the standard Jesus-fish size--they were rounder. But here there were many fish, some with bubbles of air coming out of them. What's the message here? I took it to be, "I like fish." It could mean something else completely. A very unclear message or a non-message. >> If the fish do not comply with the standard formatting set up within the industry, then I'd guess it's about something else entirely. Yeah, probably "I like fish." << Last one: Now I've never seen this, but let's suppose there was a car with a Jesus-fish AND a Darwin fish, except the Darwin fish was bigger and its mouth was opened and it was in the process of eating the Jesus fish. Now this would be a clearer statement: "Darwin Rules, Dude!" OR reverse it and have the Jesus fish eating Darwin. >> Shoot, where I come from, both of these are READILY viewable on any number of cars. The people who have the Jesus-fish eating the Darwin-footed- fish seem totally stupid to me. Aren't they basically supporting a Darwinian principle here?! "Only the strong survive" -- in this case, the Jesus-fish was (in the minds of these motorists) the better adapted for survival. It would be lie someone from the Flat Earth Society having one of those little compass-globes on their dashboard. Not to mention, it seems to kinda go against the whole "love thy neaighbor" thing. "Love thy neighbor, unless he should believe in evolution, in which case you might simply want to eat him." << Or for controversy's sake have the Jesus fish eating the Darwin fish, with the Darwin fish carrying a sign that reads something like "Keep Abortion Safe and Legal." >> Or maybe the Darwin-fish could be wearing some sort of a pro- vegetarianism T-shirt! - -------Michael K., who really hates bumper stickers and magnets -- god forbid we should actually talk to one another, thereby being forced to thoughtfully examine and defend our beliefs. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:19:12 -0700 (PDT) From: X-Communicate Subject: Re: Jesus fish vs. Darwin fish; other fishies too > << Now I've also seen a car with a whole bunch (school) of fish on it. They > were not the standard Jesus-fish size--they were rounder. But here there > were many fish, some with bubbles of air coming out of them. What's the > message here? I took it to be, "I like fish." It could mean something > else completely. A very unclear message or a non-message. >> > > If the fish do not comply with the standard formatting set up within the > industry, then I'd guess it's about something else entirely. Yeah, probably > "I like fish." > I shudder to mention--Phish. Yes, hippies or high-school students who have just turned on to pot. Since Jerry's dead, there needs to be a new graphic symbols that still symbolizes to the police that there is a good chance that there is pot in the car, pull it over. .chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:24:09 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: London Calling Capuchin: >I think Eb should compile his criticism (should he be the kind of person >who wrote any kinds of criticism that relates to music things) into a book >entitled "Wheeeeee Rock Discography!" > >Or would it just be a pamphlet? Would it even be double-sided? Whew. Where did THAT cheap shot come from? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:24:09 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Rhino snubs Robyn http://rhino.com/RMAT98/100cds.html Remember that huge music trivia quiz sponsored by Rhino Records, which Susan and I took? (And which I received a ranking score on? ;P) Anyway, one of the prizes awarded to the regional winners was Rhino executive Gary Stewart's set of "The 100 Essential Rhino CDs." The list is now posted at the above address. No Robyn! If you're so fixated on the results of that Wall of Sound '80s poll, this oughta REALLY rile you up. Note to proggies, Danielle and Susan: Brain Salad Surgery IS included on the list. Heh heh heh. I was also intrigued to see that Holsapple/Stamey's highly underrated Mavericks was included. I didn't think that was even still in print. Heck, maybe it IS out of print and Stewart just wanted to get rid of some backstock. ;) As-yet-uncited Gondolisms: "peacock feathers," "Quailspew" and LJ's personal favorite, "turgid manmuffin." Eb Celebrity lookalike: http://earth.vol.com/~debber/beck/images/bek515.JPG PS Ebby's favorite (note that I did not say "best") '80s albums could probably be plucked out of XTC/Skylarking, Tom Waits/Rain Dogs, Tom Waits/Franks Wild Years, Peter Gabriel/Security, Talking Heads/Remain in Light, Elvis Costello/Imperial Bedroom, the Replacements/Tim, Kate Bush/The Dreaming, REM/Reckoning, REM/Life's Rich Pageant and Underwater Moonlight by the Pep Boys. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:21:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: what they just said on Jerry Springer On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, lj lindhurst wrote: > "You're a liar, Jim!" > > "Oh yeah, well you're a lesbo!" Damn, too bad Clinton didn't think of that.... Starr: "You're a liar, Mr. Presdient!" Clinton: "Oh, yeah, well you're a lesbo, Ken!" Now that would elevate the currently debased level of political discourse in the United States. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:27:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Jesus fish vs. Darwin fish; other fishies too > We all (very likely) have seen the so-called Jesus fish pasted to people's > automobiles, right? I don't recall the exact biblical reference, but to > me it always has stood for a symbol of Jesus Christ, although I don't know > if it is associated with a specific Christian denomination (e.g., > Catholic, Lutheran, etc.). Surely, it goes back to His loaves and fishes > work and/or HIS many parables about fisherman. When people put this on > their cars I take it to mean they are telling others they believe in Jesus. > Right? Or maybe see themselves as disciples. Overall, its a fairly > clear message. Well, there's a number of possible explanations. There's the "fishers of men" and "loaves and fishes" bit. Also, back when Christians were persecuted, they had to communicate secretly. "ichthys" was used as an acronym for "Jesus Christ, Son of God" or "Jesus Christ, the Savior" (or something along those lines. I forget the exact phrase, but in greek, it looked like the greek word for "fish"). And sometimes instead of writing it out, they'd just draw a little fish. That's the best explanation I've heard for the "fish" symbol. (I'm sure that someone who wanted to could toss in something about the resemblance of that fish to the "alpha" character and the concept of Christ as "the alpha and the omega"). Coincidentally, astrologically, the age of pisces began at about 1 AD. Most Christians dismiss this as a coincidence. (Q: Was there much outrage from religious groups when Nancy Reagan was revealed to have consulted astrologers?) The symbols may be distributed of favoured by one denomination, but they seem to be compatible with any Christian group who believes in the divinity of Christ. (There were a few in pre-Nicean times and a few philosophic branches of Christianity that do that today.) I'm not going to get into creationism v. evolution, apart from saying that the first two chapters of Genesis are subject to a *lot* of different interpretations (ranging from "its the literal truth" to "its symbolic" to "it didn't really happen but is true anyhow" to "its a Hebrew myth that really shouldn't be there"), not all of which preclude evolutionary development, nor do most theories of evolution preclude either influence by supernatural forces or a supernatural creation. > know, like the no-smoking signs. So, what does this communicate? That the > person doesn't accept Darwin's research/theorizing whatsoever? > OR he accepts it but he also accepts God having a hand in the process and > thereby sees the Darwin fish as meaning "Darwin only (no God)?" > OR some other combination? An unclear message. Could very well be either. > You see what happens when I get a little free time. And I meant to say something about something else, but I forgot what it was. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:22:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Jesus fish vs. Darwin fish; other fishies too On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, X-Communicate wrote: [re: a school o' fish decals on a car] > I shudder to mention--Phish. Yes, hippies or high-school students who > have just turned on to pot. Or, people who just appreciate really good music. - --Chris the Grouch ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:25:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Jesus fish vs. Darwin fish; other fishies too No one has mentioned the Cthulhu fish yet! It sports a nice array of tentacles around the face in addition to the word "Cthulhu" in the body. I wonder what the barn-agin types make of *that*.... - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:53:21 -0500 From: "Bret" Subject: Re: help me, please >Sounds like >"You take me, 'cause it's a deal" >but that falsetto is hard to decipher. Hithcock (Heeckkawk) falsetto? I never noticed that before, I'll have to spend the weekend listening to Robyn and see if I can come up with any instances of it. are there any other instances that can be pointed out? hehehehehe sorry...... - --b ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:43:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Eb Calling On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Eb wrote: > Capuchin: > >I think Eb should compile his criticism (should he be the kind of person > >who wrote any kinds of criticism that relates to music things) into a book > >entitled "Wheeeeee Rock Discography!" > >Or would it just be a pamphlet? Would it even be double-sided? > Whew. Where did THAT cheap shot come from? Golly... I didn't mean it as a cheap shot. I figure there has been, what, ONE Wheee! album this year. I guess maybe you saw it as stating that you didn't have much to say... but quite frankly, I was just thinking of album list, not complete reviews. I know the first bit specifically says "compile criticisms", but I really wasn't thinking of full-on discussion. I'm thinking ALBUM-- brief paragraph. How many Wheee! albums are there? I guess my point was that I thought there were few. If you wanted to just list the titles or print it in a very small format, it would be the Wee Wheee Rock Discography. - --J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:54:50 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Whee Calling Capuchin: >I figure there has been, what, ONE Wheee! album this year. > >I guess maybe you saw it as stating that you didn't have much to say... >but quite frankly, I was just thinking of album list, not complete >reviews. I know the first bit specifically says "compile criticisms", but >I really wasn't thinking of full-on discussion. I'm thinking ALBUM-- >brief paragraph. > >How many Wheee! albums are there? >I guess my point was that I thought there were few. OK, OK...I see your point now. Offense retracted. But I've had TWO Wheee! albums, you know. And I can't believe that anyone on this list wouldn't know that by now. ;) "Whee" is sort of a nebulous term, of course. Not *necessarily* a measure of absolute quality, but more of quality vs. pre-existing expectations. A differential. For instance, the Wrens' Secaucus was a WHEE! album, yet a few other records released that year which I liked better weren't. That's because I wasn't expecting diddly from some unpromoted New Jersey band whom I'd never heard of before. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:54:29 -0700 From: "Jonathan Livingston Seagull, I presume?" Subject: Eb's faves and another Gondolism Eb dixit: > PS Ebby's favorite (note that I did not say "best") '80s albums could > probably be plucked out of XTC/Skylarking, Tom Waits/Rain Dogs, Tom > Waits/Franks Wild Years, Peter Gabriel/Security, Talking Heads/Remain in > Light, Elvis Costello/Imperial Bedroom, the Replacements/Tim, Kate > Bush/The Dreaming, REM/Reckoning, REM/Life's Rich Pageant and Underwater > Moonlight by the Pep Boys. Pretty good list, Eb. Actually I agree with you on all but Security (I prefer Gabriel 3). Here are some I would append to your list (in no particular order): XTC/English Settlement; King Crimson/Discipline; Tom Waits/Swordfishtrombone; Richard and Linda Thompson/Shoot Out The Lights; Dire Straits/Love Over Gold; Bruce Springsteen/Nebraska; Hitchcock: EoL, GoF, and IODot; Donald Fagen/The Nightfly; and (don't laugh) Frankie Goes To Hollywood/Welcome To The Pleasuredome Today's playlist: Flying Burrito Brothers, _Gilded Palace Of Sin_; The Police, _Ghost In The Machine_; _Glass Flesh_; Longbranch/Pennywhistle, (self-titled); Poi Dog Pondering, _Volo Volo_ Favourite Gondolism: "Hammy Mofo" in reference to Julian Sands - -g- )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( Glen Uber Email: uberg@sonic.net ICQ UIN: 13311304 Web: http://www.sonic.net/~uberg "The war on drugs is a joke and we the people are the punch line." --From a letter to the Editor The Santa Rosa Press Democrat, 31 July 1998 )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:08:13 -0700 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Re: Jesus fish, Darwin fish, swimming in the water At 03:25 PM 8/28/98 -0400, Christopher Gross wrote: >No one has mentioned the Cthulhu fish yet! It sports a nice array of >tentacles around the face in addition to the word "Cthulhu" in the body. Oh, I have seen that one as well. I've also seen one that reads "evolve" instead of "Darwin," with a wrench (aka, spanner) at the end of one of it's "legs." OK, that one is on one of my music cases. Just yesterday, on that back of one car, I saw a Jesus fish placed nose to nose (kissing?) with a Darwin fish. I'm *REALLY* not sure what the message is there, although my first guess would be that the automobile is owned by a couple made up of a Christian true believer and a strict Darwinian evolutionist-materialist. I wonder if they're going to move the positions of the fish around as their relationship grows more serious... Man, I just had a sick thought, and I'm betting I should market it. - --Jason np: that Billy Bragg/Wilco CD again nd: Hansen's Natural Soda, "Kiwi Strawberry" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 98 13:19:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: help me, please ======== Original Message ======== >Sounds like >"You take me, 'cause it's a deal" >but that falsetto is hard to decipher. Hithcock (Heeckkawk) falsetto? I never noticed that before, I'll have to spend the weekend listening to Robyn and see if I can come up with any instances of it. are there any other instances that can be pointed out? hehehehehe sorry...... - --b ======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== the "linc" in "Linctus house" is pretty high up there. In fact ISTR lotsa high range stuff on Eye . Definite falsettos on "Do Policemen Sing?" but don't know if it's RH singing that part. "A Night At The Opera" is LOADED with falsettos, but I'm pretty sure Robyn Hitchcock isn't on that album. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:26:32 -0800 From: Lobsterman Subject: Re: Jesus fish vs. Darwin fish; other fishies too ><< Last one: Now I've never seen this, but let's suppose there was a car > with a Jesus-fish AND a Darwin fish, except the Darwin fish was bigger > and its mouth was opened and it was in the process of eating the Jesus > fish. Now this would be a clearer statement: "Darwin Rules, Dude!" OR reverse >it and have the Jesus fish eating Darwin. >> > > Shoot, where I come from, both of these are READILY viewable on any >number of cars. The people who have the Jesus-fish eating the Darwin-footed- >fish seem totally stupid to me. Right on both counts, Michael. While I do believe in God and Jesus, the whole fish thing on the car bumper pisses me right off. For fun, I have thought of making one that has a huge fish marked "Satan" or "Me" bearing down on both the darwin fish AND the jesus fish. THAT'll show 'em!! :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:22:49 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Jesus fish, Darwin fish, swimming in the water In a message dated 98-08-28 16:07:34 EDT, you write: << Just yesterday, on that back of one car, I saw a Jesus fish placed nose to nose (kissing?) with a Darwin fish. I'm *REALLY* not sure what the message is there >> Maybe the idea is that God got the whole Universe a-spinnin', but then Darwinian evolution got us out of the God-created primoridal stew and to where we are now. The two theories working hand-in-hand. And, since we've yet to really figure out what caused the Big Bang, this theory seems to actually have some followers in the scientific community (Stephen Hawkings, for one, last I heard). Personally, I think the Universe is a great big watermelon, wherein the seeds are stars and the fleshy fruit is the so-called empty space around the stars. One day, NASA will develop a spacecraft eerily similar in shape to a melon-baller. This will finally enable travel to faraway places in the Universe, via the worm holes created by the melon-baller/spacecraft. And the juice from the watermelon will replace Tang as the official spacedrink. Oh, and the watermelon juice will also be used as fuel. It'll happen; just you wait. - ------Michael K. - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:31:45 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: Eb's faves and another Gondolism Regarding an earlier post: I was going through the albums on the following lists... > > XTC/Skylarking, Tom Waits/Rain Dogs, Tom > > Waits/Franks Wild Years, Peter Gabriel/Security, Talking Heads/Remain in > > Light, Elvis Costello/Imperial Bedroom, the Replacements/Tim, Kate > > Bush/The Dreaming, REM/Reckoning, REM/Life's Rich Pageant and Underwater > > Moonlight by the Pep Boys. > > XTC/English Settlement; King Crimson/Discipline; Tom > Waits/Swordfishtrombone; Richard and Linda Thompson/Shoot Out > The Lights; Dire Straits/Love Over Gold; Bruce Springsteen/Nebraska; > Hitchcock: EoL, GoF, and IODot; Donald Fagen/The Nightfly; and (don't > laugh) Frankie Goes To Hollywood/Welcome To The Pleasuredome > > Today's playlist: > Flying Burrito Brothers, _Gilded Palace Of Sin_; The Police, _Ghost In The > Machine_; _Glass Flesh_; Longbranch/Pennywhistle, (self-titled); Poi Dog > Pondering, _Volo Volo_ ...and realized how many of the albums were released in 1982 (I count 10 of 'em). Is it possible that 1982 was one of the best years EVER for music? I know '64 and '67 would have to rank among the best, too, in terms of sheer quality of music released. - -g- )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( Glen Uber Email: uberg@sonic.net ICQ UIN: 13311304 Web: http://www.sonic.net/~uberg "The war on drugs is a joke and we the people are the punch line." --From a letter to the Editor The Santa Rosa Press Democrat, 31 July 1998 )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:51:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Gregory Stuart Shell Subject: Re: Jesus fish vs. Darwin fish; other fishies too On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Terrence M Marks wrote: > Well, there's a number of possible explanations. > There's the "fishers of men" and "loaves and fishes" bit. > Also, back when Christians were persecuted, they had to communicate Very close, or at least close to the way it was explained to me. During these years of persecution the Christian movement was completely underground. One of the big secrets, kept for a long time, was the fish symbol. If you met someone new and wondered if this new person was a Christian, you could draw half the fish image in the dirt with your sandal. If the other person was a Christian, they would draw the other half, and the identification would be made. Still a secret it appears. Regards, Gregory S. Shell "Those who would sacrifice essential freedoms for temporary safety deserve neither" - B. Franklin Looking for some interesting research? Study the deaths and lives of Paul Wilcher, Suzanne Coleman, Major W.S. Barkley, Captain S.J. Reynolds, Sgt. B. Haney, Sgt. T. Sabel, Maj. Gen. William Robertson, Col. William Densberger, Col. Robert Kelly, Gary Rhodes, Steve Willis, Robert Williams, Conway LeBleu and Todd McKeehan and what they all have in common. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:52:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: fish/falsettos On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Russ Reynolds wrote: > Definite falsettos on "Do Policemen Sing?" but don't know if it's RH singing > that part. i bet it is (always assumed so.) "Our law our law is..." "Vegetable friend". It's almost all falsetto, right? Maybe the child voice in "the man with the lightbulb head." And jbj, I have heard tell that there IS a Satan fish. I'm not about put any such thing on my car, it's in bad enough shape as it is. Gondoloid: i enjoy pretty much anything he says about himself, but maybe that's just cos he's a fascinating character. Eb, let me write your biography. You can have all the proceeds, i just want the scoop. =b ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:57:31 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: falsettos Okay, I'll admit that I didn't read whatever post led up to this discussion of Robyn doing falsettos, so this one may have already been thought of: "Sweet Ghost of Light." - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:01:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Jesus fish vs. Darwin fish; other fishies too On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Gregory Stuart Shell wrote: > Very close, or at least close to the way it was explained to me. > During these years of persecution the Christian movement was completely > underground. One of the big secrets, kept for a long time, was the fish > symbol. If you met someone new and wondered if this new person was a > Christian, you could draw half the fish image in the dirt with your > sandal. If the other person was a Christian, they would draw the other > half, and the identification would be made. Still a secret it appears. You know, I heard this story in Sunday School when I was nine, too... but I still don't buy it. I think it's some romanticizes fiction that someone cooked up to sound nifty. You think we really know anything about 2000 year old secret handshakes? Maybe it's in a movie or somethin'. It does kind of resemble the sandal symbols used in ancient times to represent life everlasting... the same symbol that became the ankh. My honest guess is this is where the symbol was apropriate (like all the holidays and some of the biblical stories... flood, et al). CranberryjuiceP t - --J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:04:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: fish/falsettos On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Bayard wrote: > > Definite falsettos on "Do Policemen Sing?" but don't know if it's RH singing > > that part. > i bet it is (always assumed so.) "Our law our law is..." Um... "Our Law And Order's..." > "Vegetable friend". It's almost all falsetto, right? Maybe the child > voice in "the man with the lightbulb head." Yep... and several Eye songs, as was mentioned. I sing Autumn Is Your Last Chance in falsetto all the time. I think it's the only way that I can keep that song from making me sit in a chair all day. > Gondoloid: i enjoy pretty much anything he says about himself, but maybe > that's just cos he's a fascinating character. Eb, let me write your > biography. You can have all the proceeds, i just want the scoop. Um... I'd just like to tell Eb he can't take the credit for "Qualspew". That's undoubtedly mine. - --J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:11:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: "our law..." From: Russ Reynolds >i bet it is (always assumed so.) "Our law our law is..." I'm pretty sure it's "our law and order's..." Just making sure you were listening. BTW, eventually we'll be done with all the regular released songs on the lyrics list. Probably pretty soon, if Jeme isn't too swamped with work and life and such. And then we'll need all the unreleased stuff. If you have unreleased robyn lyrics typed in or some time to type some in, please get in touch. i'm talking about uncarved pumpkins type stuff. element of ayre, the angel upstairs, melting arthur, you know. thanks in advance for lots of assistance, i remain, the birdman ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #332 *******************************