From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #331 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, August 28 1998 Volume 07 : Number 331 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Wading Through A Songlist [David Librik ] stomping all over the world [Russ Reynolds ] re: mainstream acceptance [tanter ] Re: Mainstream Acceptance [tanter ] from randi - a bit of useless trivia :} [Tim Fuller ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #330 [edoxtato@ssax.com] Re: 20th Century Warthog [M R Godwin ] help me, please [Marc Holden ] Re: help me, please [Aaron Lowe ] what they just said on Jerry Springer [lj lindhurst ] Re: help me, please [Capuchin ] when were the 80s really? [Russ Reynolds ] Re: the "other" Mark Gloster [Capuchin ] Re: when were the 80s really? [M R Godwin ] London Calling [Russ Reynolds ] Re: the "other" Mark Gloster [Capuchin ] new thread [Eb ] Re: 20th Century Warthog [Eb ] Re: help me, please [Terrence M Marks ] In the land of Maoridor... [Jon Fetter ] Re: new thread [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: London Calling [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Jesus fish vs. Darwin fish; other fishies too [Ken Sabatini Subject: Re: Wading Through A Songlist The coolest human being on Fegmaniax wrote: >> > > Bells of Rhymney > >*I agree with David Librik that Idris Davies is the original author of the >words. Did Seeger write the tune? Did McGuinn subsequently claim a >co-credit? Pete Seeger says about his contribution to the evolution of this song, "The melody I put together myself. I say `put together' because I sat down and thought it up, and then later realized that the opening phrase ["O-oh what will you give me?"] is nothing more than `Twinkle Twinkle Little Star'." The Byrds' version, which the Egyptians and the Soft Boys copy very carefully, is not quite the same melody, and is of course a great deal more complex. It would be interesting to trace the lineage of different versions of this song. As I mentioned in my previous post, I think only the Oyster Band have gone back to the original for a fresh re- adaptation. Everyone else bases their take on either Seeger or the Byrds. Further info on STOMPING ALL OVER THE WORLD: this song is by Kimberly Rew, performed by the Soft Boys, and collected on his LP _The Bible Of Bop_, along with two other Rew-penned Soft Boys songs, NOTHING'S GOING TO CHANGE and FIGHTING SOMEONE'S WAR. I wish I could say they're undiscovered Soft Boys masterpieces, but it's apparent Kimberly did not share Robyn's particular lyrical obsessions or staccato musical approach. They sound like the Waves. - - David Librik ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 98 19:56:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: stomping all over the world >Further info on STOMPING ALL OVER THE WORLD: this song is by >?Kimberly Rew, performed by the Soft Boys, and collected on his >LP _The Bible Of Bop_, along with two other Rew-penned Soft Boys >songs, NOTHING'S GOING TO CHANGE and FIGHTING SOMEONE'S WAR. >I wish I could say they're undiscovered Soft Boys masterpieces, >but it's apparent Kimberly did not share Robyn's particular >lyrical obsessions or staccato musical approach. They sound >like the Waves. I'd agree, except that I think "Fighting Someone's War" is a great song. another note: Stomping All Over The World begins with the line "My Baby And Me..." Which I think is most likely what Robyn is refering to in "Linctus House" when he follows those same words with "as Kimberly would say" Not a bad tune either if you like good pop. "Nothing's Going To Change" is, as Lennon would have said, a load of rubbish (though I think you can hear Robyn counting off, IIRC). - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:14:45 -0400 From: tanter Subject: re: mainstream acceptance I vote for ME or ML. I think ME is totally brill. I also love PI but most of you guys don't. GoF is a great album, especially because Glenn Tilbrook sings on it, but some of the songs on ME are just so very! IoDoT is also a big contender, IMHO. Marcy :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:15:49 -0400 From: tanter Subject: Re: Mainstream Acceptance At 10:36 AM 8/27/1998 -0500, The Great Quail wrote: >"Moss Elixir," remember this round is for the Eighties only. damn, forgot that! Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:47:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Fuller Subject: from randi - a bit of useless trivia :} I should be embarrassed to write this - and I am a little - but f.y.i - - while Hercules and Xena are filmed in New Zealand...Sinbad is filmed in South Africa... fading into useless trivia land Randi *what scares you most will set you free* - Robyn H. *and the longer you hide...the more you deny* - Neil Finn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:02:22 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: We are all individuals >> I'm Quail, and so is my wife! >> ======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== >> yeah, we're all Quail! isn't this where the Gong list first started running iinto problems? >Since this has become a de facto Gong mailing list you should >all be excited to hear that Gong-founder Daevid Allen is making >several appearances in the good old USA next month. now I'm really worried. James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:03:45 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: lookalikes, accents, and the 80s >I have always made weird faces, trying to get it to stick the way mom >said it would. I have learned that parents can be "full of shit" >sometimes. I hadn't watched Saturday Night Live in years, but people >asked me for about five years if I was "Garf," meaning the "Garth" >character from Wayne's World. I also was asked if I was doing the >Church Lady. James, has this ever happened to you? no. Not at all. I have been told that old pictures of me (from seven or eight years back) look like Daniel Vettori before he shaved his hair off though. Not that that would mean anything to any of you with the possible exception of Danielle and Martin. >Attention NZers; are the girls' accents fairly representative? They >were to die for, so to speak. (espc. KW). "Mario Lanza!" Kate's was deliberately more English than you would get (IIRC the Hulmes were migrants from 'the old country'). All the other accents you heard though were pretty much as they would have nbeen in NZ in the 50s. The accent has drifted a little since then, but not far - it's still like a softer, 'more English' version of the Australian accent, without the harsh vowel sounds assovciated with Oztriiilyuns. >1980 occurred in the 179th decade, but 1980 was part of the decade of the >'80s, not the '70s. > >- -rr >======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== >er...make that the 197th decade err. Make that the last year of the 198th decade! Capuchin and I may be the only two people on the planet who will celebrate the beginning of the new millenium on Jan 1, 2001, but it's good to know I'm not alone with that pet peeve! Having said that, I don't think the decade names like 'the 80s' are made with reference to years back to the year 1. I'm quite happuy to think of 1980 as being in the 80s, but still not being in the same tenth of the century as 1981, if that makes any kind of weird sense. James (still trying to work out how Rolling Stone voted the 1979 album "London Calling" as best album of the 80s!) PS - I would just like to point out that my surname is shared by a dead guy in one of James Joyce's finest works. So there. James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:38:48 -0800 From: Lobsterman Subject: Dan Bern playing in LA Wed 9/2 (1% Robyn content) a forward from the dan bern list. the robyn content is that he's playing at LARGO. i wish some of the great so cal dat tapers from this list would go tape him at largo. the quality of dan audience tapes just doesn't compare to the robyn ones....i wonder why that is??? >Dan will be playing in Hollywood at Largo on Sept 2. He's part of the >ASCAP showcase and will be headlining the night. It's pretty much >unannounced that he's playing, and I'm not sure if everybody who is >interested will be able to get in. It's a really small place and it will >be packed. Anyone who wants to take a shot at getting in should either >show up at Largo really early (like around 7:00) or they could call up >and try to make reservations and see what Largo has to say about the >situation. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:45:06 EDT From: InPerspex@aol.com Subject: Re: How to soak a Feg I admit it, I am easily soaked. True to Susans prediction, i bought 'Greatest Hits' when i first got accquainted w/ robyn about 2 years ago. A&M must have had this one carefully planned. I wanted the "mainstream robyn hits", but liked him so much and thought I was lucky to score the bonus stuff (ha!). And yes, it did appeal to the compulsive completist in me, its been a never ending addiction ever since... warm feggy feelings, - -Kimmy (did I hear a rumor that A&M is going under or merging?? hmmm...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:59:46 -0700 From: chris franz Subject: the "other" Mark Gloster sez Capuchin: >I think Chris Franz will attest that Mark Gloster looks EXACTLY like that >other guy outside the Great American Music Hall on April 28th of this year >(or was it the 29th?). Chris and I approached this stranger (well, >stranger than Mark) and started talking to him... we thought it was Mark. >We were mere feet from him and thought it was Mark. It was incredible. Frighteningly enough, Mark Gloster indeed does have a clone in the San Francisco bay area. A clone who goes to Robyn Hitchcock gigs. A clone whose facial expressions upon being approached by two strangers in the Tenderloin is just what one would expect from the Aptosian Mark. Whenever I'm someplace I suspect may interest other Fegs, I half expect to find this character lurking about. It's a little unnerving. - - Chris, who's occasionally (inevitably, perhaps) compared to Larry Bird, and who has rather uncomfortable memories of a comparison to David Letterman mrp: Redd Kross - Phaseshifter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:02:04 -0500 From: edoxtato@ssax.com Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #330 Eb wrote: >PS Don't let me catch you fantasizing about my mom. oops. - -Doc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:47:59 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: 20th Century Warthog On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Eb wrote: > 2. I have ALWAYS seen "Foxey Lady," not "Foxy Lady." May I refer you to URL: http://www.fumsoft.softex.br/~olimar/foxyp.html: Summary: FOXY LADY (mulher extremamente atraente ). VOCÊ SABE QUE É UMA PEQUENA DESTRUIDORA DE CORAÇÕES FOXY, YEAH, E VOCÊ SABE QUE VOCÊ É UMA DOCE MÁQUINA DE FAZER AMOR FOXY EU QUERO TE LEVAR PRA CASA, YEAH, NÃO VOU TE FAZER MAL VOCÊ TEM QUE SER MINHA, TODA MINHA OOOH, FOXY LADY FOXY, FOXY, AGORA CONSIGO TE VER. Furthermore, Webster is right there too: From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) Foxy \Fox"y\, a. 1. Like or pertaining to the fox; foxlike in disposition or looks; wily. "Modred's narrow, foxy face". --Tennyson. 2. Having the color of a fox; of a yellowish or reddish brown color; - -- applied sometimes to paintings when they have too much of this color. 3. Having the odor of a fox; rank; strong smelling. 4. Sour; unpleasant in taste; -- said of wine, beer, etc., not properly fermented; -- also of grapes which have the coarse flavor of the fox grape. foxy adj : marked by skill in deception; "cunning men often pass for wise"; "deep political machinations"; "a foxy scheme"; "a slick evasive answer"; "sly as a fox"; "tricky Dick"; "a wily old attorney" [syn: {crafty}, {cunning}, {dodgy}, {guileful}, {knavish}, {slick}, {sly}, {tricksy}, {tricky}, {wily}] I've owned this record for 30 years, and that's how it's spelt. And note that Webster confirms the phrase "sly _as_ as fox" whereas Fibber Fox says (unforgiveably) "sly _like_ a fox" ("on account of I am a fox"). Slightly foxed, - - Mike G. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:54:05 -0700 From: Marc Holden Subject: help me, please I need some help deciphering a line in " I Am Not Me". In the third verse, it goes: When I take you Into the chamber of the sun, and then You take me (?????????????????????????) I say Caroline, No need to be so naked, We've been introduced. You say I'm not so sure, I am not me. My concert damaged ears are letting me down on this one. Later, Marc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:00:43 -0500 From: Aaron Lowe Subject: Re: help me, please At 8/28/98 01:54 AM (Friday), Marc Holden wrote: >I need some help deciphering a line in " I Am Not Me". In the third >verse, it goes: > When I take you > Into the chamber of the sun, and then > You take me (?????????????????????????) "'cause it's a deal"? That's what I hear. Aaron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:34:58 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: what they just said on Jerry Springer "You're a liar, Jim!" "Oh yeah, well you're a lesbo!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:47:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: help me, please On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Aaron Lowe wrote: > At 8/28/98 01:54 AM (Friday), Marc Holden wrote: > >I need some help deciphering a line in " I Am Not Me". In the third > >verse, it goes: > > When I take you > > Into the chamber of the sun, and then > > You take me (?????????????????????????) > "'cause it's a deal"? That's what I hear. Yep. 'Cause it's a deal. I say, Caroline... - --J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 98 08:57:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: when were the 80s really? >>1980 occurred in the 179th decade, but 1980 was part of the decade of the >>'80s, not the '70s. >> >>- -rr >>======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== >>er...make that the 197th decade > >err. Make that the last year of the 198th decade! let's see: first decade AD: 1-10 2nd decade: 11-20 3rd decade: 21-30 etc. 198th decade: 1971-1980 I stand corrected. Again. These are the sort of mistakes I'm prone to make when I exceed my posting limit. anyway, no matter how you slice it you can't convince me that 1980 occurred in the '70s. I'd be more inclined to believe that since the bulk of the 1970's occurred in the 198th decade, the years 1971-1979 were actually part of the '80s. In which case I'd like to cast my vote for "My Aim Is True" - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:55:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: the "other" Mark Gloster Chris, you're a cruel man. I appreciate getting my toothbrush and I'm DYING to hear this tape (Chinese Bones has been on my Must Hear list for a decade)... but what were you thinking? 1) I'm going to see you in one week. I could have waited one week for my toothbrush and you'd've saved postage and handling. 2) You filled the box with transparent adhesive tape!!! I just about died! I had to take th box to my weekly poker game and get somebody to unwrap it. It freaked me out when I put my hand in the box (after cutting open the seams on the box itself... no problem there). But much thanks! I feel like I owe you a billion! See me Saturday (Friday? Oh... hey, when are you driving down? I need a ride from San Jose... I'm working with Mark on it, but I might as well figure out when you're heading down and see if our schedules match.) Living with a phobia, Jeme. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:59:13 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: when were the 80s really? On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Russ Reynolds wrote: > anyway, no matter how you slice it you can't convince me that 1980 occurred > in the '70s. I'd be more inclined to believe that since the bulk of the > 1970's occurred in the 198th decade, the years 1971-1979 were actually part > of the '80s. In which case I'd like to cast my vote for "My Aim Is True" The 20th century runs from 1901-2000. The penultimate decade of that century runs from 1981-1990. The 80s run from 1980-1989, which is a period of ten years, is but not a standard decade. Capuchin and I (plus a few others) are going to have a really good time moping at home on 31/12/99 while all you innumerates are out celebrating! - - Mike G. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 98 09:08:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: London Calling >James (still trying to work out how Rolling Stone voted the 1979 album >"London Calling" as best album of the 80s!) I vividly remember that album arriving brand new at our college station in January of 1980. I always assumed this was a 1980 release. Perhaps it was late '79 in Europe and early 1980 in the USA? Or was the station just late getting the record? London Calling is on that wall-of-whatever ballot for the '80s too, but I notice Pink Floyd's "The Wall" ('79) is not...that's an album that is often selected as one of the best of the '80s by industry types, who go more by chart position than release dates. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:10:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: the "other" Mark Gloster On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Capuchin wrote: > Chris, you're a cruel man. Whoops! This was intended for Chris' eyes only. Sorry. I really do like Chris very much! - --J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:35:02 -0700 From: Eb Subject: new thread Question posed in this week's Parade magazine: "Gwyneth Paltrow's ponytail looked like it exploded at the Perfect Murder premiere, and Cameron Diaz showed up in bobby pins on Rosie O'Donnell's show. What's going on?" I've been kept up all week, musing about this. Anyone have any thoughts? Quail? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:36:12 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: 20th Century Warthog >On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Eb wrote: >> 2. I have ALWAYS seen "Foxey Lady," not "Foxy Lady." > >May I refer you to URL: http://www.fumsoft.softex.br/~olimar/foxyp.html: > >Summary: FOXY LADY (mulher extremamente atraente ). VOCÊ SABE QUE É UMA >PEQUENA DESTRUIDORA DE CORAÇÕES FOXY, YEAH, E VOCÊ SABE QUE VOCÊ É UMA >DOCE MÁQUINA DE FAZER AMOR FOXY EU QUERO TE LEVAR PRA CASA, YEAH, NÃO VOU >TE FAZER MAL VOCÊ TEM QUE SER MINHA, TODA MINHA OOOH, FOXY LADY FOXY, >FOXY, AGORA CONSIGO TE VER. You quote me a track listing in ANOTHER LANGUAGE as proof???? The implication here is obvious.... ;) >Furthermore, Webster is right there too: >>From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) >Foxy \Fox"y\, a. Of course. I don't deny that "foxy" is the dictionary word. But I've never seen a copy of Are You Experienced? that uses this spelling, myself. I don't deny that it should be spelled "Deaf Leopard" or "Lead Zeppelin," either. Hey, if anyone (the archive-perusing DLang, for instance?) remembers any particularly vicious personal zingers thrown at me on the list, email me a reminder. I recently thought of a fun little use for some good anti-Ebby one-liners. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:51:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: help me, please On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Marc Holden wrote: > I need some help deciphering a line in " I Am Not Me". In the third > verse, it goes: > When I take you > Into the chamber of the sun, and then > You take me (?????????????????????????) Sounds like "You take me, 'cause it's a deal" but that falsetto is hard to decipher. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 02:14:26 +0800 From: Jon Fetter Subject: In the land of Maoridor... >I had worked out independently that Gielgud would have to play King >Theoden (sp.). Guinness is wrong for Treebeard, but he _could_ play Elrond >or Celeborn. I see Bowie as someone like Prince Imrahil, wearing a big >swan on his helmet. That weird bloke Stephen Berkoff (last saw him on >stage as Herod in Salome) could play Ghan-buri-Ghan, king of the wild >men. Gene Hackman plays Ugluk, I think. But neither Elrond nor Celeborn are "old" in the mortal sense. And Guinness, though being the master of disguise that he is (Oldman must have a shrine to Alec somewhere in his house), probably couldn't pull off the healthy immortal glow that makes the elves so unbearable. How about Max von Sydow for Theoden, and Gielgud for Denethor (Olivier would have made a good Denethor). >Alan Rickman is the only person I can think of who could handle either a >Tolkien goodie or a Tolkien baddie. He could certainly play Wormtongue >(did you see him as Parson Slope in 'Barchester'?). He could probably do >Denethor. Maybe he could even tackle Aragorn. Rickman wouldn't make a bad Aragorn--he was pretty noble in "Sense and Sensibility." Or was that "Pride and Prejudice?" >> As far as Gandalf, that's rough -- but it *has* to be a distinguished yet >> slightly dotty old English actor. Sir Derek Jacobi? Sir Anthony Hopkins? >> Ian "Where's my stinking knighthood" MacKellan? Maybe even Gary Oldman, >> because I am convinced he can play *anything,* and I have yet to work my >> favorite actor into it? How about David Warner for Gandalf or Saruman? Or does he get the "Mouth of Sauron" bit-part? >> And man, I don't even *know* who could play the elves! Maybe Tori Amos as >> them all? > >Kate Bush - Wayne Sleep - guitarist Innes Sibun - Bjorn and Agnetha from >Abba - the whole of Hansen. And it would be hard to stop Toyah Willcox >joining in... ...and Yngwie Malmsteen. >And the whole enterprise is doomed to failure unless the casting is >absolutely spot on. Anybody got Peter Jackson's e-mail address? Send a million copies of the above sentence, in case he isn't aware of the pressure already. And beg him to keep Keaneau R. and Costner out of it (or don't-- that may give him ideas). Jon PS: Tom Waits for Smeagol? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:16:35 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: new thread In a message dated 98-08-28 13:01:54 EDT, you write: << "Gwyneth Paltrow's ponytail looked like it exploded at the Perfect Murder premiere, and Cameron Diaz showed up in bobby pins on Rosie O'Donnell's show. What's going on?" I've been kept up all week, musing about this. Anyone have any thoughts? >> Well, if we'd only noticed these telltale signs sooner, then this whole Russian economic disaster could have easily been avoided. The hair styles of movie stars: It's better than tea leaves and the Tarot combined! - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:24:30 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: London Calling In a message dated 98-08-28 13:24:02 EDT, you write: << I vividly remember that album arriving brand new at our college station in January of 1980. I always assumed this was a 1980 release. Perhaps it was late '79 in Europe and early 1980 in the USA? >> Yeah, exactly. It came out in December of '79 in England and in Jan. '80 here in the U.S. To my way of thinking, that makes it a 1979 release. I'm a big chronologizer (or whatever). That one had always plagued me, in fact . . . until I got the "Wee Rock Discography!" It's a pretty cool book. Far fromall-inclusive, but pretty handy, nonetheless. Another one that had bugged me was Tori's "Little Earthquakes" album. It's often regarded as a '92 release, but was actually available in the U.S. in Dec. of '91. Not that anyone cares. Except me. And that's just cuz I keep Top 5 lists for each year. It's a nasty habit, really. But, for the record, I started doing that *way* before _High Fidelity_ came out. So there. - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:16:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Sabatini Subject: Jesus fish vs. Darwin fish; other fishies too Dearest friends, I hate to take away any attention from Eb and post on an unrelated topic, but . . . ;) I have a few questions regarding fish: We all (very likely) have seen the so-called Jesus fish pasted to people's automobiles, right? I don't recall the exact biblical reference, but to me it always has stood for a symbol of Jesus Christ, although I don't know if it is associated with a specific Christian denomination (e.g., Catholic, Lutheran, etc.). Surely, it goes back to His loaves and fishes work and/or HIS many parables about fisherman. When people put this on their cars I take it to mean they are telling others they believe in Jesus. Right? Or maybe see themselves as disciples. Overall, its a fairly clear message. OK. Then we have the smart-ass Darwin versions of the fish: Same fish, but its got legs and often the word Darwin within the outline of the fish. This presumably is a message that the owner of the vehicle favors the Darwinian explanation for the development of species, rather than (or in addition to?) the all-powerful-God-made-everything-exactly-like-it-is-now explanation (Creationism?). A semi-clear message. I've seen both of these frequently. But this week I saw something new. It was a bumper sticker with a picture of the Darwin fish, but the Darwin fish was circled with one of those "no" lines diagonally running through it. You know, like the no-smoking signs. So, what does this communicate? That the person doesn't accept Darwin's research/theorizing whatsoever? OR he accepts it but he also accepts God having a hand in the process and thereby sees the Darwin fish as meaning "Darwin only (no God)?" OR some other combination? An unclear message. Now I've also seen a car with a whole bunch (school) of fish on it. They were not the standard Jesus-fish size--they were rounder. But here there were many fish, some with bubbles of air coming out of them. What's the message here? I took it to be, "I like fish." It could mean something else completely. A very unclear message or a non-message. Last one: Now I've never seen this, but let's suppose there was a car with a Jesus-fish AND a Darwin fish, except the Darwin fish was bigger and its mouth was opened and it was in the process of eating the Jesus fish. Now this would be a clearer statement: "Darwin Rules, Dude!" OR reverse it and have the Jesus fish eating Darwin. Or for controversy's sake have the Jesus fish eating the Darwin fish, with the Darwin fish carrying a sign that reads something like "Keep Abortion Safe and Legal." And so on and so on . . . You see what happens when I get a little free time. Ken PS I saw the Spinanes in Athens last night, along with my favorite Athens band (The Mendoza Line). The Mendoza Line are relocating to New York city, which would be a bigger disappointment if it weren't for the fact that they rarely play live. The Spinanes were good: Rebecca Gates (?) has a very confident stage presence--she almost swaggers; her voice sounded great, but the songs were a lot more rockin' than I expected (I was hoping for a bit more subtlety). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:57:03 -0700 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Bass! (was Re: Jesus fish vs. Darwin fish; other fishies too) At 01:16 PM 8/28/98 -0400, Ken Sabatini wrote: >Last one: Now I've never seen this, but let's suppose there was a car >with a Jesus-fish AND a Darwin fish, except the Darwin fish was bigger >and its mouth was opened and it was in the process of eating the Jesus >fish. Now this would be a clearer statement: "Darwin Rules, Dude!" >OR reverse it and have the Jesus fish eating Darwin. Or for controversy's >sake have the Jesus fish eating the Darwin fish, with the Darwin fish >carrying a sign that reads something like "Keep Abortion Safe and Legal." > >And so on and so on . . . More unclear have been the Jesus fish in the shape of sharks or flying saucers that I've seen. Are they saying, "Jesus is a shark?" Are they saying, "Jesus was an alien?" Given the number of really odd, and often mass suicidal, UFO cults in my area, I think the latter to be a distinct possibility. Now back to your regularly scheduled chaos. Favorite Gondolism: "hrm." - --Jason np: Billy Bragg & Wilco, "Mermaid Avenue" ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #331 *******************************