From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #320 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, August 24 1998 Volume 07 : Number 320 Today's Subjects: ----------------- celebrity shopping/spotting [Carole Reichstein ] Re: je-sus [Eb ] Re: "i don't fucking care. it doesn't matter to je-sus." [Aaron Mandel <] Re: Bradford & co. [maustlkr@kitfox.anv.net] Re: Bradford & co. [Eb ] Re: "i'm a man" [Eb ] Re: Compilation Track ["Michael R. Runion" ] Roy H & the Tull [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Super important spice news! [tanter ] divers alarums [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re: Super important spice/Beach Boys news! [BC-Radio@corecom.net (Brett C] Re: divers alarums [Eb ] Re: meat, tim [Capuchin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:14:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: celebrity shopping/spotting Mr. Maust wrote: > > > Gawddammit... Peter Murphy himself came in our store today (8-22) and I sold > him two cd's... One by Phillip Glass (can't remember the title, but the cover had > blue clouds on it)... and I suggested the new Cornelius CD... He happily bought > it... Woo Hoo... Hey! I just rang up *Elliot Smith* a bit ago, here at the exciting Powell's Technical Books in Portland. He bought a "Dos for Dummies" book. I was rather excited, but played it cool. A friend told me that a bunch of filmakers are making a documentary about him here in town (and NXNW is just wrapping up as well). (actually, I passed him while walking to work on the Burnside bridge on Wednesday--this is a decidly unglamorous bridge that only winos and myself traverse. I thought, "Hey, that grungy guy w/the sunglasses looks just like Elliot Smith!" But then thought, nah, couldn't be him. But it *was*) Now, back to the rest of my dull day. Carole (hey--is Peter Murphy still as skinny as ever??) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:35:32 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: "i don't fucking care. it doesn't matter to je-sus." pretty good article on mia zapata in today's seattle times, if anyone's interested. what late late show??? it's a GREAT fucking movie! although i think that susie d. was the only one to include it among their top ten, i would probably select the (uncut) criterion collection version as one of my five fave laserdiscs of all time. Basquiat, for those scoring at home, was my third favorite movie of '96, after Fargo and Lone Star. i guess i saw it six or seven times in the theater. and i'd never even thought of this. you're certainly correct, i think, that the movie doesn't attempt to get *inside* the artist's head the way, say, La Belle Noiseuse does. but i do think it does a bang-up job --assuming it's accurate-- of showing the environment that he lived in. so, i think, though you maybe don't exactly understand the *process*, you do pretty much see what it is that *drives* him. also, i think the key to the movie was his relationship with andy warhol. how could you not get choked up at the scene where he's playing the home movies of him and andy, with tom waits singing in the background? stellar soundtrack by the way. one of the best of recent years. any movie that opens with Fairytale Of New York...well, it's ok in my book. ha ha! back when i used to subscribe, i'd always pull out the several dozen (postage paid) subscription cards they'd send along with each issue, and mail them back to their asses, blank. (although one time i was telling a guy about this, thinking i was, you know, really cool and subversive. he said that he and his friends used to tape those things - --not necessarily from rolling stone in particular. just in general-- they used to tape them to fucking *bricks* and mail them back!! i don't know if i ever laughed as hard in my life as i did when he told me that. apparently, the post office finally passed a rule saying you couldn't do that.) *then* i'd rip out every page that had a full-page ad on both sides of the page. after you finished that, the magazine was, like, six pages, max. be careful, dave. that's a pretty slippery slope. no matter how unremarkable any robyn show might be, there are always at least one or two moments where you just say, "ummm...wow." for example, the other night i was listening to a show from february of last year. basically a pretty good show, although of quite poor sound quality. two things stuck out, though. one was that he told a long story about god and the devil. no biggie, right? although it was a very funny story. but he told the story over the course of several songs. he'd just stop the story, play another song, then start it up again. don't think i've ever heard him do that before. then, after the last song (Heliotrope), he did a little reading -- he was closing his shows with readings at that point. but as soon as he was done reading, without even pausing or giving the audience time to clap --or even realize that the reading was finished, i guess-- he told a very personal story about his initial exposure to pornography, saying that he was basically just a "wanker, a voyeur," and that the first song on the first soft boys record started out, "feel like making love to a photograph." [actually the second line, of course.] he then lambasted the "do me do me" culture created/fed by pornography, and finished saying, "i don't know who's to blame, or if it's even worth blaming anybody. but it'd be nice if it ended. and that's that. thank you for coming, good night." although he's often made comments critical of western culture, it is probably the most heartfelt thing i've ever heard him say. mostly, i suppose, because he wasn't trying to be funny or audacious or whatever. he was just kind of telling it as he perceived it. yes! we're very interested. i myself had a robyn dream a week or so ago, but it just wasn't very good, i'm afraid. i'll fill you in when i have a really good one. well, i can tell you who *doesn't* like them. last year at bumbershoot, we'd just finished watching goodness' excellent set in the "rock arena." i then got up to go see sleater-kinney in the "bumberclub," but no one would go with me, because soul coughing was playing next in the "rock arena," and a friend of my cousin said they were real good. so we met up later. "how was sleater-kinney?" "terriffic!!!! those kids just flat out fucking ROCK! how was soul coughing?" to a person, every single one of them said it had been the biggest piece of shit they'd ever seen. no redeeming qualities whatever. they just would not let my cousin's friend alone for the whole rest of the night for having duped them into watching it. even he was saying, "i don't understand it. they sound so good on record." i guess not two minutes went by the remainder of the evening when somebody didn't cry out, "SOUL COUGHING FUCKING SUCKS!!!" the young fresh fellows did Ted, Woody And Junior in their set opening viva sea-tac ii. i just heard that vega/dead cover of Chinese Bones a few weeks ago, and i hated it. or at least quite disliked it. cool enough that they wanted to cover robyn, though. i still can't even FUCKING believe that those FUCKING idiots had the FUCKING nerve to FUCKING take out the people mover!!! what in the FUCKING BLOODY HELL were those FUCKING morons thinking? how can you take the people mover out of disneyland? what FUCKING shit-for-brain came up with that plan? mind you, these are my feelings on the topic when i'm in a *good* mood. and i'm in an especially good mood today, because HURRICANE BONNIE APPROACHES! all you southeast u.s. fegs, i want pictures of bonnie's wrath on the web by wednesday morning, at the latest. hey jeme, did that page mention the locations of all the trap doors in disneyland? ah, but what you failed to understand, cher dave, is that the good people of the globe of fegs were just kindly trying to prod me into plugging the mclibel site. one of the best sites on the whole of the world wide web, if i may say it. although i might mention here that one of my best friends used to have a recurring nightmare --hell, for all i know, he *still* has it-- that he was being chased by grimace through a carpet with very tall shag, and grimace was throwing clear plastic spiders at him. this guy hates spiders like you wouldn't believe. oh, you mean, like, uh, "robyn the spaz"? hey. ya know who invented the word? karl marx. at least that's what somebody told me once. and you weren't endorsing them, you were slagging them. one should never fear using the word when illustrating the evils of the system. actually, it's the corporate media who are deathly afraid of the word, "class." it's very rare indeed that they'll use that one. unless it's to say something about the "middle class." anybody got the new bob mould? is it out yet? Are there not instances when the refusal to serve is a sacred duty, when "treason" means courageous respect for the truth? --Manifesto of the 121 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:42:42 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: > oops. left out a letter. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:16:12 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: je-sus Eddie: >Basquiat, for those scoring at home, was my third favorite movie of '96, >after Fargo and Lone Star. i guess i saw it six or seven times in the >theater. Six or seven times...in the THEATER? Sheesh! Shoveling more dough into the movie industry's maxi-capitalistic coffers, eh? You know, if not for folks like you, Titanic's box office wouldn't have been nearly so...titanic. ;) I could be wrong, but I think I've seen exactly three movies more than once in the theater: Rocky Horror (twice), Brazil (twice) and Monty Python's Meaning of Life (three times, but that's because it was playing for 99 cents in a theater very near me). >ha ha! back when i used to subscribe, i'd always pull out the several >dozen (postage paid) subscription cards they'd send along with each >issue, and mail them back to their asses, blank. I bet you call a lot of vile (800) phone numbers too, don't you? Evangelical donation lines, etc.? > > >well, i can tell you who *doesn't* like them. I don't care for Soul Coughing, but I wouldn't say they flat-out SUCK. I mean, they're certainly better than Tool and Wesley Willis...heh heh heh. >i still can't even FUCKING believe that those FUCKING idiots had the >FUCKING nerve to FUCKING take out the people mover!!! Well, I dunno. The Peoplemover just wasn't looking "futuristic" anymore, and that was a big problem. But the ironic thing is, the ride which replaced it (Rocket Sleds?) seems to have very bad word-of-mouth. Ha. >hey jeme, did that page mention the locations of all the trap doors in >disneyland? You know, I worked at Disneyland for almost two years, and I never really saw a "trap door." There are tons of hidden "normal" doors (in the Haunted Mansion, for instance), but I never saw a TRAP door. The backstage areas of the attractions are above ground, just nestled around/behind/above the public area. I think the old "network of underground tunnels" tale is a myth too. There is ONE good underground tunnel, which runs under Tomorrowland, heading sort of from under what-was-America-Sings to Tomorrowland Terrance (where the rising performance stage is) to the backside of Circle Vision in front of the Matterhorn. That's about it, unless I missed something. >anybody got the new bob mould? is it out yet? I think it's out on Tuesday. And no, I don't have it yet! :( Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:15:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: "i don't fucking care. it doesn't matter to je-sus." On Sun, 23 Aug 1998, Capitalism Blows wrote: > anybody got the new bob mould? it's really not too good. i mean, better than the self-titled one, but anything would be. one or two songs are catchy, none (except the horribly misguided 'rap' song) are particularly memorable. a ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:30:18 -0700 From: maustlkr@kitfox.anv.net Subject: Re: Bradford & co. > >Sorry that you find those guys to be "egomaniacal geeks", but I have a couple > >of reasons to like them... > > > >1. If you recall, I mentioned that I was in a movie a few years back... > >the movie > >was produced, written and directed by none other than Albino Brown... (I > >guess > >thats why it was called "Albino Brown in Liberace's Shoes")... > > Needless to say, the fact that Albino put his full name in the movie title > speaks volumes on the ego issue. I'm surprised he didn't call it "Albino > Brown's Albino Brown in Liberace Shoes." ;) well, I guess since he is the central character in the movie and it's thru his eyes we see black culture, don't you think he SHOULD put his name on it... > > >He also gave > >me FULL CREDIT on the parts I helped out on (interviews with both Michael > >Franti from Disposable Heroes/Spearhead/Beatnigs) and Angelo Moore (from > >Fishbone)... And he also set up an instore with the aforementioned Mr. Moore > >at my record store FOR FREE... > > He simply gave you credit for work you did? Wow, what a guy. Well, Eb... that's more credit than i've ever got at any other job... Besides, as you know (or at least you THINK you know), getting credit for something you do on anything related to the media (radio, movies, etc) is next to IMPOSSIBLE... > > As for the in-store, I think it's safe to guess that Brown figured out a > way to get more than enough self-promotion out of it. Did he introduce > Moore, incorporating a Ska Parade plug into the bargain? Stand grinning > next to Moore through the whole appearance? Well, Jesus, Eb... If you spend all of your life savings on a release and have one of the principal characters from that release doing an instore promotion, don't you think that he should be there... Damn, dude... Lighten up... if it wasn't for "corporate sponsorship" of major events, we wouldn't have SHIT to watch or listen to... I guess when WEA a rep shows up at a Robyn signing, that makes WEA a bunch of "corporate barkers" too... Oy, vey... > > >2. On their latest release "Runnin Naked thru the Cornfield", they > >actually put > >ME on the cover as a thank you for all of the years of helping each > >other... (I'm > >the bespectacled gentleman towards the back)... > > Wow, what a guy. > > Revealing part of that album (well, it's ONE of the Ska Parade > compilations...perhaps not this one): Those two are so FEROCIOUSLY > capitalistic (sorry to use a bad word, Eddie) that they put a huge written > warning on the album about how home-taping is illegal and we shouldn't tape > this album for others. Come on -- not even those litiginous MAJOR LABELS do > that. Pretty illustrative of the Ska Parade's creepy perspective. > Possessive, anal and desperate to be noticed. And who isn't "Possessive, anal and desperate to be noticed", Eb... Is that why you are SO QUIET when some one mentions something you know something about... Nope, didnt think so... > > >Their couple of releases "The > >Ska Parade Video" and "Step on It" help break bands like No Doubt and > >Sublime... Not exactly things to be proud of, but shows that they have the > >"ears" of people who know what they are doing... > > And these publicity whores inflate and embellish this claim, every chance > they get. I hear "Tazy" (isn't my pseudonym CUTE? look at meeee!) is going > to get "I broke Sublime" tattooed on his forehead.... Dude, If i spend half as much money on a project as they did, I would spray paint it on my ass and walk down times square on new years eve nude to promote it... call me old fashioned, but I like it when someone stands behind something they've done... > > > I will say this: I'm more familiar with Bradford/Tazy's ways than Albino's. > Maybe he isn't quite as bad. > > Eb Well, I gotta give it to you... Your either are jealous or pissed off that your band didnt get on the SKA parade... BTW, is Eb short for Ebenezer Scrooge ??? Just askin... Your friendly neighborhood Mousestalker Cliff's Album of the Day - 8/23/98 "Abacab" Genesis - Atlantic Records - 1981 e-mail maustlkr@kitfox.anv.net ICQ Number 12689312 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 17:02:50 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Bradford & co. >well, I guess since he is the central character in the movie and it's thru >his >eyes we see black culture, don't you think he SHOULD put his name on it... Uhh...not really, actually. Presumably, the movie is more concerned with telling us about black culture than with revealing the exciting wonders of Albino Brown. I certainly know which topic is more interesting to me. ;) >And who isn't "Possessive, anal and desperate to be noticed", Eb... Is >that why >you are SO QUIET when some one mentions something you know something >about... Nope, didnt think so... Ehh, you know what I meant. You deflected my point. And being "desperate for attention" really isn't my motivation for posting, sorry. >Well, I gotta give it to you... Your either are jealous or pissed off that >your band >didnt get on the SKA parade... BTW, is Eb short for Ebenezer Scrooge ??? No, I just had to endure Bradford's self-absorbed mania for several years, off and on. And anyway, I think most ska is wretched, so.... Ebsom Salts PS Abacab?? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 17:55:16 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: "i'm a man" Lobster: >>From what I've been told, the song IS the Bo Diddley cover, and the guy >singing with Robyn on the song was Liz's boyfriend at the time. Liz was >Robyn's roommate during his stint in San Francisco, and Liz owned Neurotic >Records (which is sadly no more--damn, not even a t-shirt is left!! and i >should know! i bugged her by email for another one when mine was stolen >from a laundromat), which Robyn did an in-store at in 1994, although I >don't think this was the record shop where Robyn purportedly worked. Hey John, is that Liz *Pepin* (or however it's spelled)? One of my oldest and closest female friends lived with her, many moons ago. And I know this friend did have some personal encounters with Rovin Hitcoskchock, when he came over to visit the Liz I'm thinking of.... And yes, I even met Liz, when I once stayed with this friend for a few days. Heh. Scary. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:31:05 -0700 From: "Michael R. Runion" Subject: Re: Compilation Track griffith wrote: > I think that Mike Runion posted that a RH&E performance was going to be > on a compilation cd. Does anyone (Mike?) have anymore info for it, such > as album title, song, or release date? Yeah, I ordered it but apparently it hasn't come in/out yet. It's a compilation from some British Folk Festival (cuts from several years as I take it). The info is on my computer at work. I'll try and find it tomorrow and post it back up... Mike - -- ******* Mike Runion email: mrrunion@palmnet.net *** * Virtual Cone Museum * * http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/cones.htm * * Globe Of Fegs * * http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/fegmaps/ * ********************************************************* "Wait a minute! Time for a Planetary Sit-In!" - Julian Cope ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:41:05 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Roy H & the Tull >For that matter, I think Ian Anderson may have spent some time listening >to Roy. "She's the one" uses some Tullish vocal stylings in parts. then again, I've often thought that Robyn must've spent some time listening to Tull at some point. Listen to "The black crow knows" and think Anderson, sometime. James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:15:10 -0400 From: tanter Subject: Super important spice news! Two of England's hottest condiments are mamas-to-be! Latest word is that not only is Posh preggers, but so is Scary! How bizarre that both are in the family way and both are engaged! Scary is due to marry her fiance next month. Posh is waiting until after the baby comes, I suppose so it can be in the wedding party! Marcy ;) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:38:49 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: divers alarums I wrote, and Patty replied: ><< PPS - can any Britfeg help me to remember the name of a peculiar kids' show > of about 1970? It was real-action (not cartoon) and had a weird group of > people travelling around Britain in a bus on a treasure hunt. Obviously > inspired by Magical Mystery Tour, it was called something like Crazy Bus > and IIRC had someone like Mike and Bernie Winters in the two main roles > (although my memory may be astray on that). >> > >Well, it just so happens as I was reading James' email, the Former Object of >My Obsession was online, and since he was born in England and raised in >Ireland, I sent him this PPS and said "Got any ideas?" and he replied "Have no >idea, only thing I recall is "On The Buses." (What a charmer, eh?) I doubt >this will help, James, but I am passing it on anyway. nah - not on the Buses: That was Reg Varney and someone tall with teeth playing a bus driver and conductor in a standard issue British sitcom. I'd forgotten about that one. I get the feeling it was a very early Esmonde & Larbey, or maybe a Perry and Crofts (these, for thise not in the know, are two of Britain's top sitcom writing teams - the former are responsible for the likes of The Good Life and Yes Minister, the latter for Dad's Army, Are you being served, Hi de Hi and a host of other comedy in varying states of fun or decay). It was, I am sure, the series that Stewart mentioned. ISTR it also had someone like Fife Robertson or someone else Scottish and stooped with a long beard as some sort of not-entirely-faithful family retainer. An odd series, I wouldn't miund seeing it again, for nostalgia's sake. Another couple of kids series from that era I'd liek to see again are The Herbs and Trumpton. >Sure, there's zillions of second-generation musical artists nowadays, but >can anyone name someone other than Rufus Wainwright who is the child of TWO >famous musical parents? Preferably INDEPENDENTLY famous parents? Not sure, but doesn't Chas Bono sing? If the parents can be famous but not necessarily musical, you've got Liza Minelli. > I have a lot of recordings from australian Womads, so theres a bunch of >great world music -nusrat, Keita, Chandra, Ongala, Oreyema, etc. good stuff. Don't forget Ayub Ogada or the Tsinandali Choir! >Folk/folk rock - Thompson, Cooder,Jansch, string band,Luca Bloom , >Michelle Shicked Robyn Williamson ,,Fairport, Swarb, Irvine, Steeleye, Martyn >,huge amounts of Irish Scottish stuff, including a lot of >the new crossover bands like shooglenifty, Coolin' music, etc. >Lots of old 60's/70's stuff; airplane, floyd,Quicksilver, miller, beatles, Can >, Eno, crimson,Beefheart, Stones , cream,Clapton ,Domino's ,etc, >Jazz,Pine,Garrett, McLaughlin, Miles, W report, oregon, Corea, etc. >also got Costello, Xtc, teardrop, Wah, Bunnymen. Fire engines, beat, Chills,T >heads,Wire, Shriekback, Cocteau twins & others ,plus off the wall stuff like heeey - this being has taste! >Does anyone else know of other bands that have covered a Hitchcok tune >(other than Vega/The Dead)? I take it you mean other than on Glass Flesh? ;) >When labelmate Bo Diddley borrowed Waters's swaggering beat for his >strutting "I'm a Man" in 1955, Muddy turned around and did him tit for tat >by reworking the tune ever so slightly as "Mannish Boy" The Who also covered this, which could be confusing since they also had their own song "I'm a boy". The latter is unlikely to be what Riobyn was covering though, as it is not bluesy (nor is Joe Jackson's "I'm the man", before anyone suggests it) James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:47:40 -0900 From: BC-Radio@corecom.net (Brett Cooper) Subject: Re: Super important spice/Beach Boys news! >Two of England's hottest condiments are mamas-to-be! Latest word is that >not only is Posh preggers, but so is Scary! How bizarre that both are in >the family way and both are engaged! Scary is due to marry her fiance next >month. Posh is waiting until after the baby comes, I suppose so it can be >in the wedding party! > >Marcy ;) Maybe this is signaling the crumbling of the Spice Girls as we know it. Hopefully. Sounds like the spices might be kind enough to bed their groupies! ;) BTW, did anyone catch the Beach Boys special on VH1? While, as most of you know, I'm not the world's biggest BB fan, I did enjoy the program. Brett ************************************************************** Cooper Collections P.O. Box 876462 Wasilla, Alaska 99687 (907) 376-4520 BC-Radio@corecom.net http://www.corecom.net/~no6pp/Cooper_Collections.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 20:56:45 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: divers alarums Dignan: >>Sure, there's zillions of second-generation musical artists nowadays, but >>can anyone name someone other than Rufus Wainwright who is the child of TWO >>famous musical parents? Preferably INDEPENDENTLY famous parents? > >Not sure, but doesn't Chas Bono sing? If the parents can be famous but not >necessarily musical, you've got Liza Minelli. They have to be musical. Again, there are loads of famous children of famous parents. As for Chastity Bono, I mentioned her in my initial post, indirectly. I wrote something joking like "And please don't talk to me about Ceremony," which was the short-lived Chastity band who released a record on Geffen a few years ago. In other news, I'm watching that weak new Fox series "That '70s Show." And the theme song is apparently a Big Star cover!?! Garsh! Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 22:05:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: meat, tim On Sun, 23 Aug 1998, David W. Dudich wrote: > ...or better yet, reject it all! Stop eating animals > entirely!! Join the legion of 'veggiefegs' (tm). Hey, Uncle Bobby > himself doesn't eat meat. Too many people made the mistake of assuming that because I'm interested in McDonald's menu and merchandising, I also consume the stuff. That's an unfounded judgment. I eat the occasional fish sandwich, but only without cheese and with lettuce and tomato... and mostly that's because someone else insists on driving through (*ahem*). I also mentioned the Disneyland site, though I loathe Disney. (Still haven't run a direct comparison of the original Black Cauldron and the new release... I'll let you know if they Lion Kinged it.) And Eb, I made a pretty thorough scan of Disneyland a couple of years ago and found several dozen hidden doorways and at least three trapdoors (possibly maintenance hatches?). Disneyland is VERY cleverly designed to keep people from looking in certain directions. Very tricky. My friend Michele has the very best story involving a mugging at Disneyland and an amazing number of park employees posing as vacationers. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #320 *******************************