From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #311 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, August 18 1998 Volume 07 : Number 311 Today's Subjects: ----------------- the poll [dwdudic@erols.com (luther)] why? [dwdudic@erols.com (luther)] that list [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re: why? [tanter ] Re: David Kilgour [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re: i got a million of 'em... [tanter ] from randi - presidential content - sorry, no Robyn [Tim Fuller ] Re: guzzling live sparrows and then jumping off the empire state [Stewart] Re: i got a million of 'em... [dlang ] Soft Boys and Spheres ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: from randi - presidential content - sorry, no Robyn [Eleanore Adams <] Re: Full Mojo poll [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Robyn Goes To Hollywood ["Glen Uber" ] Fwd: this is just too cool! (6% tentacle content) [Eb ] Re: guzzling live sparrows and then jumping off the empire state [Capuchi] Re: Robyn Goes To Hollywood ["JH3" ] Re: from randi - presidential content - sorry, no Robyn ["Glen Uber" >Yeah, weird. > > >So the list is dumb. That's about that. I could really do without >people. Short sighted, no attention span, easily led. Well, now you sound like Bill Drumond and Jimi Cauty... KLF Communications, anyone? If you can got a copy of their "manual", DO SO! Ob RH: How long til the movie come out? -luther ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 02:51:27 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther) Subject: why? On Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:05:01 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >PS But I take your point about Celine Dion - why would anyone want to buy >a Celine Dion record? > >----------------------------- threat of torture? :-) if one wants a female vocal album, see Linda Thompson... can you imagine HER singing a theme to Titanic, only writen by that-other-english-singer-songwriter-I-mention-too-much? Better yet, what would a Robyn theme to titanic sound like? - -luther ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:24:58 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: that list >> You can certainly question the taste of the great British public, but the >> representativeness looks OK to me - the sample consisted of 5,000 people >> of all ages interviewed by the British Market Research Bureau, which is a >> bigger sample than most of the political opinion polls. which only goes to show just how sad the British public are. Backstreet Boys, Boyzone... but no Who. No Clash. The Lighthouse family, fer crissakes! Any country that puts Whitney Houston at 67, but doesn't mention the Kinks, puts Take That at 93 but doesn't mention the Byrds, and puts Michael Bolton at 52 but doesn't mention Neil Young is in desperate need of earwax remover... James PS - I'm not surprised by Neil Diamond's rating though. A much maligned and gifted songwriter, even though he wasted his talent writing a lot of pap. James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:27:49 -0400 From: tanter Subject: Re: why? At 02:51 AM 8/18/1998 +0000, luther wrote: >On Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:05:01 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > >>PS But I take your point about Celine Dion - why would anyone want to buy >>a Celine Dion record? In a used record bin, in this tiny hole in north central Texas (hi Steve!), I saw about 50 copies of the Celine Dion CD that has the Titanic song on it (not the Titanic CD). I couldn't believe it--every single one was a used copy!! Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:31:18 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: David Kilgour >>David Kilgours first, self titled solo album is his best, in my >>opinion > >Ooops, that's what happens when your fingers are typing faster than your >brain can think. Mr Kilgour's first solo album is, of course, entitled >"Here Come The Cars". The title track is the finest homage to Brian Eno >I've ever heard, and a wonderfully intoxicating piece of music in its own >right. > >Martin I've thought ever since I heard that beautiful, sparse track that I would love to here Eno produce it. It is a great album, too, though not as easily accessible as either Sugar Mouth or Heavy Eights. Well worth it, though, it grows on you without you realising it. I'm pretty certain that track is a deliberate homage to Eno, as well. There is another very Eno-esque piece called something like "For Brian" on the out-takes album "First Steps and False Alarms", and I've frewquently mused as to whether it is THAT Brian... James PS - Danielle & co., my StereoBus review was only lukewarm because I have only heard it about twice. Now you've got me convinced that I should go get myself a copy... James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:30:56 -0400 From: tanter Subject: Re: i got a million of 'em... At 11:35 AM 8/17/1998 -0700, Eb wrote: >>On Mon, 17 Aug 1998, Capuchin wrote: >>> Wasn't Paul Robeson an american football player who retired and joined the >>> Royal Shakespeare Company to become one of the great Othellos? Or was >>> that somebody else? I _think_ he was one of the first, if not THE first, black player on the Rutgers team and he endured incredible torture from the white players who resented him. He was an amazingly cool guy.... Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:28:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Fuller Subject: from randi - presidential content - sorry, no Robyn I have a question for all fegs, but especially those who live in the States, and those who voted for Bill Clinton. Does his speech make any difference to any of you? Do you care? The biggest "sex scandal" we ever had in Canada was when Maggie Trudeau - {the now ex-wife of former Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau, who may be one of the few PMs anyone outside of Canada has ever heard of ;} - - *hung out* with the Rolling Stones..while Pierre and Maggie were still married. I'm not sure what the President's speech does for those of you who are American. I cannot even imagine the same thing happening in Canada - maybe our Prime Ministers are past the age of "sowing their oats." ;} If Jean Chreten {our Prime Minister} had an extra-marital affair - I think the Canadian people would be severely disappointed - but I can't imagine it escalating to the point it has in the States. I understand Watergate, because that was *abuse* of the powers of presidency. Do you feel Clinton has abused the power of his presidency? Has he committed perjury and should be impeached? Did you believe his speech tonight - was he really remorseful in your eyes? Do you think his private life is *his private life* - or does being President allow everyone in the country to be a party to all he does? To me, he did lie...on the other hand...it's his wife's problem. I realize that if Clinton was in his first term, he'd never get elected for a second term - but do you think he should resign? Does the lying bug you? If he still does his job, does it matter what he does in his private life - - or does it make him less of a President? I think if one took a survey, there would be a percentage of married men who have had adulterous relationships. There would be a percentage of women who had done the same thing. So, do you see the President as someone who is more than human, someone who should be able to rise and meet the highest degree of morality - or do you give him a break because he is just a man? Has he abused his presidential power - as happened during the Watergate scandal - or is he some guy who cheats on his wife? I didn't really like his speech tonight, mixing politics with personal details - but on the other hand - was he pushed into doing that because of Kenneth Starr? Does it make you afraid that he's lied about the politics of his Presidency - or does his personal life mean nothing to you? It's not like other Presidents haven't lied - it's just that they were policy lies - rather than personal life lies. I guess I'll shut up now, but I'm really interested in what you think about the American people's right to know about their President's private life, or are policy issues the only thing you take into consideration? I don't know if this should be a list topic or not - so if it isn't, please email me with your thoughts - otherwise - I'll read it one the list :} fading back into Canada, Randi *what scares you most will set you free* - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:04:50 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: from randi - presidential content - sorry, no Robyn Randi: >I have a question for all fegs, but especially those who live in the >States, and those who voted for Bill Clinton. > >Does his speech make any difference to any of you? > >Do you care? Oh man, I really wish you hadn't done this.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 01:16:22 -0500 (CDT) From: JH3 Subject: Re: why? Luther asked: >Better yet, what would a Robyn theme to titanic sound like? I dunno, something like this? (It's kind of late right now, so...) THE WRECK OF LEONARDO DICAPRIO The wreck of Leonardo DiCaprio Will always return again Soon he'll be co-starring in A movie with Gene Hackman The director and all his crew Spent 200 million bucks "Jesus it sucks" they cried! Believe in hype! Believe in hype! I got wet... Wading there in the sea With Kate Winslet... She was too big, you see! Grabbed the entire piece of flotsam Just not enough room for me... The wreck of Leonardo DiCaprio Was eaten by crabs and squid Seafood is good, they say... - --- John H. "I need sleep" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:34:13 +0100 (BST) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: guzzling live sparrows and then jumping off the empire state >>>>> "e" == Capitalism Blows writes: e> gaffer tape = masking tape Duct tape, actually. Real 'Gaffer' brand tape is/was a bit more like masking tape than duct tape, but every stage engineer knows it as that half-silver gooey stuff. Stewart (peeved at agreeing to go to a party, then discovering Yo La Tengo play the same night . . . arsebiscuit!) - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:33:17 +0930 From: dlang Subject: Re: i got a million of 'em... We used to have stack of Robeson 78's which I used to listen to when i was young, he had an incredible voice.He gave dignity to the role he played in Old man river. most of his musical stuff was a cut above that particular song, even though I happen to like it.. He was treated like a pariah in the states because of his political beliefs, Great man. I did not know he was a footballer, you sure of that ? dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:14:43 -0400 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Soft Boys and Spheres OK, so I rented Hollywood's latest money-drenched testament to mediocrity this weekend, a Barry Levinson film called "Sphere." IMNSHO, a rather droll and uninteresting film, but I'll be damned if it wasn't rife with Uncle Bobby Moments. WARNING: there may be spoilers below, so if you haven't seen the movie but want to, you may want to skip this. But, f'rinstance, Queen Latifah (!) was killed by a writhing, undulating mass of jellyfish. Didn't Robyn say this very thing before "I Got A Message For You" at the Max's at Broadway gig in Baltimore in '91? Yup. And then it got even more Uncle Bobbier. Two of them were attacked by thick clouds of gooey falling eggs. A most Fegmaniac scene. It rained fish eggs under water. One of the characters was repeatedly attacked by big-toothed fish and eels, which were really a manifestation of his childhood fear of seafood. You Freudians may discuss this among yourselves. I spent most of the movie expecting someone's dead wife to appear, but it didn't happen. That scene probably ended up on the cutting room floor. And in another sequence, the good guys were cowering in their undersea lab when a huge, tentacle-clad cephalopod drifted over them and began to crush them, only to slip away into the dark sea. But yes, you're right. They didn't see the giant squid, though it was rather slow. Anybody else ever have similar Uncle Bobby Moments in movies? ++++++++ Gene Hopstetter, Jr. + Online Design Guy http://extra.newsguy.com/~genehop/ ++++++++ Yoda. The other white meat. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:16:23 +0000 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: from randi - presidential content - sorry, no Robyn Tim Fuller wrote: > I have a question for all fegs, but especially those who live in the > States, and those who voted for Bill Clinton. > > Does his speech make any difference to any of you? > No > Do you care? > Yes > Do you feel Clinton has abused the power of his presidency? > No, but he has abused the legal system. You are not allowed to lie under oath, even in a deposition fpr a civil case that is now thrown out of court. > Has he committed perjury and should be impeached? > He has purgered himself, but I don't think that it is a threat to our nations security, so he sould not be impeached. No president has ever been impeached, and I don't think he will resign a la nixon. > Did you believe his speech tonight - was he really remorseful in your eyes? > Naw, he is a sex addict. > Do you think his private life is *his private life* - or does being > President allow everyone in the country to be a party to all he does? > No ones private life is private here because we are a litigoius society. I have had my past dragged out for the courts for a divorce case, but my life didn't make it into CNN because i am a nobody. But if I was president...... > I realize that if Clinton was in his first term, he'd never get elected > for a second term - but do you think he should resign? > He did get elected for a second term even after much of his slimey life came out. he was elected for a first term after admitting to sex with Jennifer Fouwers (an a score of other chicks.) > Does the lying bug you? > Yes and No. all presidents lie, and that bugs me. I mean Bush was the head of the CIA before becoming vice prez for reagan. He knew nothing about Iran-Contra? That and I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'll sell cheap! > So, do you see the President as someone who is more than human, someone > who should be able to rise and meet the highest degree of morality - or do > you give him a break because he is just a man? > J Edgar Hoover, head of the FBI at one time, wore womens cloths and liked boys, so they say. Kennedy slept with Monroe and hung out with gangsters, so they say. > Does it make you afraid that he's lied about the politics of his > Presidency - or does his personal life mean nothing to you? > He, I am sure, has lied to the american people about politics. They all do. And if I were president (who knows, I might be the first female prez in 40 years0 I will probably lie to the american people for their own welfare too. > *what scares you most will set you free* - Robyn Hitchcock We also know that Robyn keeps up with and cares about American politics. he has mentioned politics often in his shows in Michigan. i remember once at the Blind Pig he bashed Republicans. I shouted back to him because I am a registered Republican and used to do some writing for the party. Robyn though all of his fans were democrates or third party supporters.(I am a social liberal and a fiscal conservative, so Pro-Choice yes! We need to get rid of the #$%& F.cking religious right out of our party! but that is another debate....) Eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:37:33 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Full Mojo poll In a message dated 8/17/98 10:05:53 AM, Mike G. wrote: <> Soccer moms -- present, future and past. If all you want from music is something that doesn't make you feel edgy (since you're pretty stressed out to beign with), and you have no real taste in music, then Celine Dion is probably a good choice. She sings with conviction . . . she's singing about nothing, and the music is crap, but I'm guessing that she sings so loudly that it's easy for one's own voice to get drowned out while singing along (gads!) whilst driving home from work (and then the grocery store! and then the PTA meeting! and then the dry cleaners! and the list goes on and on! Celine Dion, take me away!). I think that one problem with the poll is that, in order to accurately reflect some measure of how engaged people really are in "the world of music," the votes would have had to have been weighted for different age brackets. Sure, the opinions of the elderly count just as much as those of the young and the middle-aged. On the other hand, their opinions don't really reflect anything having anything to do with "the music industry." Not that that matters, really. But I think seeing Paul Robeson (and his singing *is* incredible) and Vera Lynn (makes me wanna yip!) on that list is off-putting, simply because we are probably, most of us, at least ever-so-slightly aware of music industry trends. Even more so, we (as great music appreciators) are, in particular, aware of which bands, artists and albums are considered "important." Thus, the results of the poll run contrary to what seems right and true. So, even though, at first, I thought the list was complete crap (and, actually, that was before I saw the whole list), I now think it's a really interesting document. Oh, and I still think the Brits have weird tastes and are fickle. I'd like to see the same poll done here in the U.S. (both for the sake of comparison and because the results would simply be better ;-)). - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:30:31 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Robyn Goes To Hollywood MARKEEFE@aol.com asked: > In fact, this begs the question: In what film roles would Robyn have > been perfectly suited? Rhet Butler? Chewbaca the Wookie? Dirty Harry? > No, really. Whaddya think? > How about as George Spiggott in _Bedazzled_? Robyn would also rock as Dr. Doolittle & Professor 'enry 'iggins. I agree with the person who said that Robyn would fit into any Python film. I also think that Robyn might be good in a serious role, too. Maybe Dirty Harry ("I know what you're thinking. Was that a prawn or a squid? Well to tell you the truth, with all this confusion, I sort of lost track myself..."); perhaps the voice of Yoda ("Go, young Skywalker and seek ye the one known as Clint!"). I dunno... - -g- )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( Glen Uber Email: uberg@sonic.net ICQ UIN: 13311304 Web: http://www.sonic.net/~uberg "The war on drugs is a joke and we the people are the punch line." --From a letter to the Editor The Santa Rosa Press Democrat, 31 July 1998 )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:41:32 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Fwd: this is just too cool! (6% tentacle content) My birthday is next month. I respectfully request that everyone pitch in and buy me a Sleestak costume. ;) Eb, who might settle for Blurp... >"KROFFT FOR SALE? >For all of you who, like us at Film Threat, spent your childhood in the >1970's, a RARE opportunity presents itself. Sid and Marty Krofft, the >creators of H.R. Pufnstuff, Land of the Lost, Sigmund - the Sea Monsters, >and MANY others, are cleaning house. On Sunday, Aug. 23 at the Beverly >Hilton >Hotel in Beverly Hills, CA, the Dove Brothers will conduct an auction of >original Krofft puppets, costumes and other memorabilia from their TV series >and live appearances. You have a chance to own, among other things: the >Witchiepoo and Pufnstuf costumes and Freddy the Flute puppet from H.R. >Pufunstuf - the Enik the Sleestak costume from Land of the Lost and the >Balinese dancer marionette created for Judy Garland's 1957 tour. > Items from the entire length of Sid's and Marty's careers will be >available. A 72 page limited edition catalog is available as well by >ordering from the website or 1-800-319-2759. The auction begins at 6pm, but >you can preview the collection from 10am. > Personally, our preference would be for someone to buy the whole lot >for a Sid and Marty Kroft Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. H.R. Pufnstuf >greeting you at the door on your way to Sleestak Blackjack dealers sounds >like a good time to us. >http://www.dovebrothers.com/krofft.htm" PS The most (only?) interesting Grateful Dead-influenced album I've heard in quite awhile is the new Gomez disc, Bring It On. (It's on Virgin.) Those of you equipped with the Dead chromosome might want to take a listen. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:59:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Robyn Goes To Hollywood On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Glen Uber wrote: > > In fact, this begs the question: In what film roles would Robyn have > > been perfectly suited? Rhet Butler? Chewbaca the Wookie? Dirty Harry? > > No, really. Whaddya think? > How about as George Spiggott in _Bedazzled_? Dear lord. I just saw this film the other day. Brilliant. Did I mention that on list? I seem to recall raving about it for a couple of days. I seem to recall someone saying that Dudley Moore and Peter Cook had a television show a long time ago, but I guess I never believed they were actually funny. I guess Peter Cook can make any partner seem also talented. Robyn would be excellent in that role. But who could play the other role opposite Robyn? That's the tough one. Slightly doofy... very silly... hopelessly romantic... not at all attractive... OK, I'll do it. (or did I mean TGQ?) Stepping on toes, J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:01:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: guzzling live sparrows and then jumping off the empire state On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer wrote: > >>>>> "e" == Capitalism Blows writes: > e> gaffer tape = masking tape > Duct tape, actually. Real 'Gaffer' brand tape is/was a bit more like > masking tape than duct tape, but every stage engineer knows it as that > half-silver gooey stuff. All the gaffers and stage folk I know use that matte black stuff that's almost as gooey, but not as plastic. They call it gaffer's tape (and they're americans), but some have other weird names for it. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:05:30 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Robyn Goes To Hollywood Glen Uber writes: >How about as George Spiggott in _Bedazzled_? Robyn would also >rock as Dr. Doolittle & Professor 'enry 'iggins. Personally I don't see him as the proper Englishman/Rex Harrison type, but I definitely would agree with casting him in the Peter Cook role in Bedazzled. That's been suggested before, as I recall, maybe by Glen himself... It's an especially timely suggestion, actually, since there's a remake of "Bedazzled" in the works at this very moment - to be directed by Harold Ramis, I think, so it'll probably be a fairly big production, meaning they'll want someone more famous (and less talented) than Robyn to handle the Peter Cook role. (Further indication, as if you needed it, as to why they shouldn't bother with a remake.) What I think Robyn needs are original high-concept treatments written *especially for him*. Here are a few that I came up with: "REAPERMAN": In this supernatural thriller, a dark, hooded character armed with a scythe fights both good *and* evil (he's against both, you see) on the wharves of a laconic English coastal town. Contains plenty of poignant seafood-contemplation scenes. "VEGETABLEWORLD": In this post-apocalyptic thriller, a dark, hooded character armed with a tomato fights to prevent the global spread of deadly meat products in a world gone mad. Also starring Rush Limbaugh as himself. (Incidental music by Skinny Puppy!) "STILTONHEART": In this suspenseful mystery thriller, a dark, hooded character armed with a 3-day-old piece of cheese tries to solve a series of grisly slayings at a Northern California wine-tasting party. The action reaches a thrilling and crowd-pleasing climax when the villain, played by Leonardo DiCaprio, dies. Of course, I'm no genius when it comes to these things, so maybe the rest of you can come up with some better ideas? John H. Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:02:33 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: from randi - presidential content - sorry, no Robyn Eleanore Adams dixit: > No president has ever been impeached, and I don't think he will > resign a la nixon. A contraire, mon feg! In 1868, some members of congress -- most of whom supported equal rights and voting for freed slaves; some of whom were trying to make political concessions -- succeeded in impeaching President Andrew Johnson. Johnson was not a supporter of the rights of freed slaves. He vetoed "Negro Rights" bills and allowed the Confederate States re-entry into the union without having to ratify the proposed constitutional amendments which would guarantee equal rights and voting privileges to freed slaves. He also made it easy for southern states to enact black codes. These codes were essentially measures which seved to keep blacks in positions of indentured servitude: freedmen were not allowed to rent land but instead were required to work under contracts; orphaned or poor children of former slaves were required to serve in "work apprenticeships" -- little more than forced labor. In both cases, violators of the work contracts and/or runaways from the forced labor situations were dealt with swiftly and harshly. These cases of "slavery by extention" were the impetus for the impeachment of Johnson, although congress used the charge of "violation of states rights" or some such thing to actually bring forth the impeachment proceedings. The Senate was one vote short of the two-thirds majority required to remove Johnson from office. Johnson never recovered from the controversy and, in November 1868, former Union General Ulysses S. Grant soundly beat Johnson in the presidential election. May I also remind people of the definition of 'impeach'. Impeach does not mean to remove from office. It is simply the process by which a government official is formally charged and tried *in order* to remove him or her from office if the charges are determined to be true by a 2/3 vote of both the congress and the Senate. Cheers! - -g- )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( Glen Uber Email: uberg@sonic.net ICQ UIN: 13311304 Web: http://www.sonic.net/~uberg Linux: Because a 486 is a terrible thing to waste! )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:38:08 +0000 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: from randi - presidential content - sorry, no Robyn I stand corrected! (another reason the Robyn newsgroup is great... you brush up on your history!) eleanore Glen Uber wrote: > Eleanore Adams dixit: > > > No president has ever been impeached, and I don't think he will > > resign a la nixon. > > A contraire, mon feg! > > In 1868, some members of congress -- most of whom supported > equal rights and voting for freed slaves; some of whom were trying to > make political concessions -- succeeded in impeaching President > Andrew Johnson. > > Johnson was not a supporter of the rights of freed slaves. He vetoed > "Negro Rights" bills and allowed the Confederate States re-entry into > the union without having to ratify the proposed constitutional > amendments which would guarantee equal rights and voting > privileges to freed slaves. > > He also made it easy for southern states to enact black codes. These > codes were essentially measures which seved to keep blacks in > positions of indentured servitude: freedmen were not allowed to rent > land but instead were required to work under contracts; orphaned or > poor children of former slaves were required to serve in "work > apprenticeships" -- little more than forced labor. In both cases, > violators of the work contracts and/or runaways from the forced > labor situations were dealt with swiftly and harshly. > > These cases of "slavery by extention" were the impetus for the > impeachment of Johnson, although congress used the charge of > "violation of states rights" or some such thing to actually bring forth > the impeachment proceedings. > > The Senate was one vote short of the two-thirds majority required to > remove Johnson from office. Johnson never recovered from the > controversy and, in November 1868, former Union General Ulysses > S. Grant soundly beat Johnson in the presidential election. > > May I also remind people of the definition of 'impeach'. Impeach > does not mean to remove from office. It is simply the process by which > a government official is formally charged and tried *in order* to > remove him or her from office if the charges are determined to be true > by a 2/3 vote of both the congress and the Senate. > > Cheers! > -g- > > )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( > Glen Uber Email: uberg@sonic.net > ICQ UIN: 13311304 Web: http://www.sonic.net/~uberg > > Linux: Because a 486 is a terrible thing to waste! > )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #311 *******************************