From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #309 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, August 16 1998 Volume 07 : Number 309 Today's Subjects: ----------------- from randi - still wondering about a Robyn webring [Tim Fuller ] Re: [jeffw@smoe.org: digest/archiving problem] [woj sven-woj ] Re: antwoman [woj sven-woj ] Re: Robyn at Starbucks. [woj sven-woj ] things [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Tragedy begins at home (or so i'm told) [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.n] film roles? [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] musings of a kiwi-pop dipper [Martin_Bell@idg.co.nz] Re: Fwd: DB Lets go to the tape: Bottom Line [woj sven-woj ] Re: 666 [woj sven-woj ] Re: This is a song about a superhero named Tony... [woj sven-woj Subject: from randi - still wondering about a Robyn webring > Monsieur Dave Lang said in regards to Rand's webring suggestion: > ...good idea, saves endlessly trawling through altavista or the other > search engines and finding 30000000000 websites selling cd's for every > one decent Robyn page... I see I will have to coax some responses from some fegs... **** imagine a world where... **** You log on the woj's fegmania site...you explore it's intricacies...and when you are done...you click on the webring photo of Robyn - and make the choice to go forward. Then you can explore the excellent Mike Runion's Globe Of Fegs - click on the webring and head for "The Virtual Cone Museum" Maybe you go forward again...and hit the lovely Crystal Branches site {who's webmaster better post damnit} Then you click on to "The House of Figgy" and listen to lovely Robyn vocal and songs snippets... Then on to Jeme's site which should be rocking fairly shortly {we all hope} Nick's gallery of feg photos could be next... Perhaps Vic, Mike or Pete from The Isle Of Wight website would join the ring with their Robyn pages... The possibilities seem endless...I like this world - what about other fegs? ****** fin ****** r.s.v.p. to the list - I'm sure lots of fegs have Robyn pages within their personal websites - a webring would mean we could all visit :} I will not fade back into yesterday until I hear more from those in fegland :} Randi *what scares you most will set you free* - Robyn Hitchcock p.s. - james - thanks in advance for the tapes :} p.p.s. - glen - maybe *sharkboy* was happy to see you ;} ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:11:20 +0930 From: dlang Subject: The archives-AAAAAARGGHHH! I've just spent a large portion of the last three days trawling through the Fegmaniax archives pulling out interesting threads. I'm bugeyed, its a huge job. So far i've only got though sept -oct 97 and the end of jan 98 to march. However. i now have what I believe to be the complete chronicles of the Wisconsin -welsh, cheese, quailspiracy mega thread , as well as a swag of show reviews, dreams and assorted weirdness which make interesting reading. it will be a lot easier to read than if one just searched the archives believe me, its hell in there!! I've collated 20 odd pages of separate threads and they should be up and running as part of my website hopefully next week.Exactly when I can't say, as I'm off work sick with a hugely swollen foot ( which gave me the time to go crazy on doing this Feg site and not do any of the work i *should* actually be catching up on ) and I'm relying on someone who is hugely busy to load the pages from my Mac onto a network mac and then transfer the lot into a windows NT server . This may seem a weird way of doing it but unless we follow that road Windows scrambles all of the page links -curse Microsoft ! !!! At the moment I probably would not mind if I never see another portion of the archives again . but I will rest up a bit and then have another go soon. I'll post up the url when the site is up and running. dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:03:16 -0400 From: woj sven-woj Subject: Re: [jeffw@smoe.org: digest/archiving problem] also sprach me: >1) in case any of you digest people were noticed something funny wit >last saturday's digest...the explanation is below. ...and i've since culled out the posts that didn't make it to the digest. i'll be adding them to the archives shortly. although i doubt anyone will want to see them now, if anyone has, for some reason, that strange urge, drop me a line and i'll send you the file. >2) had a catastophic hard drive failure last week and have been limping >along with a beat-up old laptop. still not caught up and still using that blasted laptop. the new drive should be in tomorrow (damn ups for not being able to leave packages on the doorstep in my neighborhood), so i hope to have things back to normal within a few days. maybe i'll finally update the fegpage too (just call me deadbeat dad, lj). woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:04:33 -0400 From: woj sven-woj Subject: Re: Rob'n'Roy a long time ago, also sprach Ross Overbury (rosso@sceast.cn.ca): >1) Roy Harper is good! yup! a little kooky in the head, but trey good. >2) Why is it I never heard of him before his name was mentioned >by a list member? um, cos you're not paying attention. i know i've mentioned him and i'm sure dolph has mentioned him and i know a few other have as well, but i don't remember who they were right now. >3) Does anybody else here think Robyn modeled some of his vocal style >after Roy? Particularly the earlier stuff? not really. i'd be kinda surprised if robyn was all that familiar with roy's work, in fact. maybe what you are talking about is the folk stylings that both use? speaking of roy, he recently (like last month) completed a residency at largo (i'm pretty sure i alerted the fegs to this at the end of june/beginning of july) and will be touring the states and eastern canada in september. full details are at . i'll be at the knitting factory show (6 september), so any nycfegs going as well should let me know. woj n.p. ciccone youth -- the whitey album ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:07:35 -0400 From: woj sven-woj Subject: Re: antwoman also sprach M R Godwin (hssmrg@bath.ac.uk): >PS Whatever did happen to Antwoman? I keep expecting to see a post >reading something like "Aug 15th: Robyn's Viking Raid - RH has hired a >longship to go pillaging along the South Coast - highlight will be a >torching of Twyford Down motorway extension..." good question. the last couple notes i sent her have not been answered. dunno what's distracting her. perhaps it's the holidays? perhaps it's the homer lounge? perhaps it's tim? +w ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:14:17 -0400 From: woj sven-woj Subject: Re: Robyn at Starbucks. also sprach Capuchin (capuchin@teleport.com): >I guess someone decided that _The Man Who Invented Himself_ sells lattes. yeesh. i'm moving to the pac northwest. was in some coffee shop here in connecticut earlier today and all i heard was night ranger (or was it reo speedwagon? who cares?). then again, maybe i'll just stay out of coffee shops. woj n.p. the bats -- couchmaster (was cleaning out the stacks and found it - -- didn't even know i had it!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:30:43 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: things On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Tim Fuller wrote: >- since I'm in Canada - and on the fegtree - is it reasonable or is it bad >to send a US dollar to my branch...? >- I can't buy American stamps in Canada...and I know we are not supposed >to send money... >- but in this case - it's not really fair that anyone who mails me a tape >gets stuck with postage... >Suggestions? if Canada is anywhere like NZ at all (and I suspect it might be), go to your nearest stamp dealer - the type that cater to collectors. They will most likely keep a small number of current overseas (particularly US and British) stamps especially for this sort of situation, and they can normally be bought for very close to face value. >Actually, since I *know* there are many musicians on the list, I for one >would like to see when ya'll are gigging...any one else care to agree or >disagree? OK. I'm playing at the Loaded Goblin on Sept. 11th. Come one, come all. >So, what's you favorite album of the year so far (Kevin? anybody?)? I haven't heard enough of the Bragg/Wilco set yet, and Liz's new one isn't released here until next week, so I'd have to go with Version 2.0 (Garbage); From the Choirgirl Hotel (Tori Amos); Let it come down (James Iha); Gloss Fish; and the compilation 'Arc: Music of Dunedin' ;) lj writes: >- -a real live picture of James Dignan! He's HOT!!!! then Mark chimes in: >I am also said to look like James Dignan, who is incredibly handsome. oh that's right. Tell everyone. Now they'll all want one... The "hot and incredibly handsome" (?????) James ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:58:26 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Tragedy begins at home (or so i'm told) >This is arguably some of the finest work these respective bands have >put out. My favorite Bats discs are "Daddys Highway" and "Couchmaster", >although I love all their music. Couchmaster represents a welcomed change >in their musical approach, in my opinion--its a much denser record. >Any future Bats releases in the works, James D.? not sure, but it's quite likely. Robert Scott';s output cycles between three bands: The Magick Heads, Clean and Bats have been putting out releases in sequence for several years. The Magick Heads split up earlier this year (with their swansong EP "Lazy Ways"), so there are noiw only two bands to alternate between. ISTR that Unknown Country came out before Couchmaster, so a Clean CD would be the most logical one to hear next, but David Kilgour is now also alternating (Clean and Heavy Eights), so who can say? Actually, I know a couple of people who might be able to... if I see Robert around I'll ask him - failing that, the local Flying Nun agent (Roi Colbert) might know. >I would strongly recommend The Magick Heads first disc ("Before We Go Under") >to Bats fans, but I was not too impressed by their second disc ("Woody"). >Woody has some nice moments, but Jane's singing style changed from the first >disc. I like it when she sang more like Bob Scott--more restrained. I'd agree that the first one is the stronger. Also the second one annoyed me for what I see as some blatant half-inching. The melody of "Mystery train" is a direct pinch from the Triffids' wonderful "Tarillup Bridge". >I have fair amount of Verlaines stuff and would vote for Juvenelia as a >great example of their older work and Way out Where as the best of their >more recent bigger budget work. "Over the Moon" is also a good recent one, and "Hallelujah all the way home" is my second choice for early stuff. >I've always been a big S. Fits fan, although I've become impatient with >Shayne Carter's limited output since the band broke up. Related to this, >the Bike disc has been on my want list for almost a year now! Its really >too bad that Flying Nun USA didn't last. >One more: The Able Tasmans: very unique songwriting--can't quite put my >finger on what it is, but some of their songs linger in my head for days >after I hear them (warning, my able tasmans experience begins and ends >with their "store in a cool place" disc, which was the last one they made >before parting ways) their best is their first "A cuppa tea and a lie down", which also features several (but not all - gnash!) of the songs from their debut ep "The tired sun". Another similar band that was contemporary with them was the Bird Nest Roys. I'd highly recommend the Bike CD. "Save my life" in particular is sumptuous in the same way that the likes of the Fits' "Down in Splendour" is, and the song "Welcome to my world" has what I would describe as a slow incessant groove that works its way into your brain like a sugary powerdrill. >> ...especially the shark in the pocket wasn't that a song by the Pretenders? "Got shark, in pocket..." James (feeling right in his element with all this Flying Nun talk...) PS - if any of you want information on particular NZ bands, especially as regards their discographies, I'd be happy to attempt to find out info - contact me offlist. I've got a couple of excellent references that are the bibles of NZ rock: "The old testament" is "Stranded in Paradise: the history of NZ rock & roll 1958-1988"; the 'new testament' is "Kiwi Rock", a discography of official vinyl and CD releases from NZ bands from 1980-1996. Also, if anyone is interested, I could hunt out publishing details from these books... James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:59:31 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: film roles? > In fact, this begs the question: In what film roles would Robyn have >been perfectly suited? Rhet Butler? Chewbaca the Wookie? Dirty Harry? No, >really. Whaddya think? for some horrifying reason, when I read this, the words "Dr Doolittle" sprang to mind. Not sure why. But it would work... James ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:15:16 +1200 From: Martin_Bell@idg.co.nz Subject: musings of a kiwi-pop dipper As usual, I'm weeks behind in my e-mail reading, but couldn't let the kiwi-pop thread die without adding my own comments. In the main, I concur with James' round-up of NZ's finest recent musical moments. One album which has not been mentioned to date, which I wholeheartedly endorse is Bressa Creeting Cake's self-titled debut. It's on the ubiquitous Flying Nun, and if anyone's thinking of ordering anything from Flying Nun NZ I strongly recommend you add this to your shopping cart. Bressa main man Ed Cake is as mad as a cut snake, but the guy is a serious musical genius IMHO. It rocks, it rolls, it whimsies, it psychedelics, it reaches inside you and caresses your musical pleasure centre - it too clever by half and me a wafflehead. I think I even hear one or two intentional Robyn references in it's endearingly ramshackle innards(along with Beefheart, and XTC). One of the bestest, most sadly overlooked NZ albums of the last 5 years - I wouldn't be without it. ALSO David Kilgours first, self titled solo album is his best, in my opinion, while Dave Yetton's (ex JPSE) Stereobus album is a lot better than James infers in his recent faint praise. Regards Martin PS: Bressa Creeting Cake is a more user-friendly(!) version of the band's original name. If you say Bressa Creeting Cake over and over, really fast, the original name will come to you. Try it now, under your breath if you are near workmates or other members of the public who can get you locked up. "Bressa Creeting Cake... Bressa Creeting Cake... Bres saCreeting Cake... Breas seCreeting Cake... Breast Secreting Cake. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:20:30 -0400 From: woj sven-woj Subject: Re: Fwd: DB Lets go to the tape: Bottom Line also sprach Capitalism Blows (etews@hotmail.com): >thought this would be of interest. has anybody had similar experiences >taping robyn at the bottom line? nope, but then, i wasn't as bloody blatant as these bozos. good to know that allan pepper is cool about taping if cleared with the artist first. i've stealth-recorded many a show there and probably will continue to do so, but if a taper-friendly act is playing, i'll probably clear things first. on a related note, i was at the dan bern show in question, primarily to see the opener, veda hille. however, i was also curious about senor bern. i'd caught the end of one of his opening sets for ani difranco, but was in a pissy mood and not inclined to like anybody that night (including ms. difranco). so, i was hoping to see dan in a less confrontational mood and see what i thought. well, whatever it was that he was doing, it went straight over my head. i'm pretty sure that he's supposed to be taken tongue in cheek, but, even in that light, i didn't find him appealing and don't quite understand what all the fuss is about. anyone care to explain? woj n.p. thin white rope -- the one that got away ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:25:37 -0400 From: woj sven-woj Subject: Re: 666 also sprach Capitalism Blows (etews@hotmail.com): >jeez, it would be great if you could toggle the archives back and forth >between pure chronological order, and chronologically BY EACH THREAD. >but i'm sure that'd be just about impossible to pull off. if i had the not that impossible, if you have the original mail files and one of those threading mail readers. or something like hypermail which will take a file of mail messages and spew forth an html archive of said mailbox with chronological, subject and thread indices. course, you have to have the original mail files to do this. i have some, but not all. this is actually on my list of things to do, but it's kinda near the bottom. should i push it closer to the top? woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:48:40 -0400 From: woj sven-woj Subject: Re: This is a song about a superhero named Tony... also sprach Eleanore: > I must say.... I have seen the Pixies over 10 times. I traveled around >to see them. never saw the pixies, but i did, by accident, catch a solo acoustic black francis gig at maxwell's in, um, 1991? yeah, sounds right. anyways, it was a ferocious show. i could barely see him (yeah, he is short), but the sounds he got out of that guitar were amazing. very cathartic. i'm pretty sure i taped that show -- i should see if i can find the tape. too bad i arrived late. woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:00:03 -0400 From: woj sven-woj Subject: Re: Peter Sellers Verse + yet more egg content also sprach Eb (gondola@deltanet.com): >Hey, I don't remember if Miz Phair has been mentioned on this list before, >but I just got the new album and it's *excellent*. Not quite a "WHEE," but >fairly close. what he said. i wasn't expecting much either and, though it took a few listens to settle in and i prefer to skip the first song which is best described as "plodding", the rest of it is *really* nice. tying into the neutral milk hotel thread, whatever it is about jeff magnum that makes his music instantly familiar holds true (for me anyways) for _exile in guyville_ (titillation aside) and, now, _whitechocolatespaceegg_. liz also seems to be able to tap into something else which i find difficult to explain. the right combination of sounds and silences can evoke a moment of clarity for me -- a perfect instant where a song makes perfect sense and there's no question that adding or subtracting anything could possibly improve that moment. well, whatever that is, liz seems to find them more often than not. woj ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #309 *******************************