From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #306 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, August 13 1998 Volume 07 : Number 306 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: 100% Hitchcock / Hegley content ["Capitalism Blows" ] Peter Holsapple > Robyn Hitchcock [griffith ] live tape chatter [nicastr@idt.net (Ben)] Dylan question [Mike Runion ] Re: TomLizOarNMHSix [Eb ] Queen Elvis [griffith ] Re: live tape chatter [Tom Clark ] Re: live tape chatter [Lobsterman ] The Dissociated Robyn [Capuchin ] Re: Peter Sellers Verse- hey, the eggs are gone [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] RH question, cheesy Nonl plug :-) [dwdudic@erols.com (luther)] Re: NMH, Tim Keegan, Tourdates, etc. [Zloduska ] East Coast/West Coast fegparty rivalry hits all-time high! no, not THAT kinda high! [lj lindhurst ] cale & the creatures [kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander)] Re: Neutral Milk Hotel [MARKEEFE@aol.com] favorite album of the year (so far) [kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander)] The Creatures! [Christopher Gross ] Re: Skip Spence etc. [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:28:09 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: 100% Hitchcock / Hegley content really? it never fails to crack me up. but the big thing is, the egyptians just blow that song out of the fucking water. they also did it live from time to time. in one audience recording i have, i think toronto '86, they're starting to play it, and you can hear a guy say to his friend, as it dawns on him what it is: "this is *Eight Miles High*!" with a kind of sound of awe and anticipation in his voice. part of it was, as was often the case with the egyptians, the show started out kind of slow, and just kept getting better and better. and this was very near the end of the show. husker du's version is pretty good, too. and holsapple was in nigel in the crosses and worse case scenarios, wasn't he? or am i thinking of someone else? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:47:13 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: tape tree remember too that one of the perks of being a branch is that you get a copy direct from digital. so, no need for you leavies to cry any tears for us branchies. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:01:18 -0700 (PDT) From: griffith Subject: Peter Holsapple > Robyn Hitchcock I've got a boot CD of REM performing at The Borderline in London (I believe the show was in 1991). Among the guests performing with REM are Billy Bragg, Peter Holsapple, and Robyn Hithcock. For some lame reason, the manufacturers of this disc edited out Robyn's songs (I've read that he performed 'Arms of Love' and 'Listening To The Higsons' with all of the others chiming in). Highlight of the set - an improv rap version of 'Tom's Diner'. griffith = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Griffith Davies hbrtv219@csun.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:14:32 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: live tape chatter >egyptians just blow that song out of the fucking water. they also did >it live from time to time. in one audience recording i have, i think >toronto '86, they're starting to play it, and you can hear a guy say to >his friend, as it dawns on him what it is: "this is *Eight Miles >High*!" with a kind of sound of awe and anticipation in his voice. >part of it was, as was often the case with the egyptians, the show >started out kind of slow, and just kept getting better and better. and This reminds me of a Led Zeppelin tape I have. In between almost every song there is a guy in the audience yelling "Heartbreaker!", and finally late in the show Jimmy Page starts playing some of the riffs from it and you'd think this guy just won the lottery, he's screaming so much! Does anyone else have any favorite funny audince comments on tape? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:14:24 -0700 From: Mike Runion Subject: Dylan question Hey all you Dylan experts... I was watching a show on PBS the other afternoon called "Over Ireland". Sort of a stunningly birds-eye guidebook of the whole countryside, with narrative and put to traditional Irish music. At one point in the show they were talking about the exodus during the famine and said something like "and as a great artist once put it, the times they are a'changing". Later in the show, one of the Irish melodies seemed just so damn familiar and it took me a good hour to finally figure out what it was...it was the tune to "I Pity the Poor Immigrant" off of Dylan's John Wesley Harding album. I assume Bob used a traditional tune and put words to it, but my CD booklet is scant on any info. Anyone out there know for sure, or know the name of the tune? - -- Mike Runion Cocoa, FL, USA /******************************************************************\ | VCM: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/cones.htm | | Fegmaps: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/fegmaps | | Spoken Word Tape: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/wordtape.htm | \******************************************************************/ "Wait a minute. Time for a Planetary Sit-In!" - Julian Cope ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:28:09 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: TomLizOarNMHSix Griffith: >I've got a boot CD of REM performing at The Borderline in London >(I believe the show was in 1991). Among the guests performing with REM >are Billy Bragg, Peter Holsapple, and Robyn Hithcock. >Highlight of the set - an improv rap version of 'Tom's Diner'. Well, that was released officially, on the "Tom's Diner" compilation, right? Under the group name "Bingo Hand Job"? I have a tape of that somewhere.... And does mistyping Hitchcock's name on this list warrant some sort of harsh penalty? ;) Ken: >the new liz album whitechocolatespaceegg is really good. the sound is a >lot like whipsmart. I take exception to that. I thought the crucial failing of Whip-Smart WAS its "sound," a slicked-up glossy mix with all the guitars gummed up with *horrible* flanging effects. Just shy of nauseating. whitechocolatespaceegg has a much drier, laissez-faire (hey, that almost rhymes -- kinda like "Tom Waits") mix. MUCH better. Quite a relief to me. Godwin: >> After six months of confinement, Spence >> emerged from Bellevue and headed to Nashville, Tennessee, where he >> recorded "Oar" -- which is widely regarded as the first true solo album, >> as Spence wrote all the songs, played all the instruments and sang all >> the parts -- in a mere two days. > >This "widely regarded as the first solo album" sounds like a challenge to >me. I've never heard of this record before - has anybody got a copy? Mike Godwin, Master of All '60s Obscurities, hasn't heard of OAR?? Zoinks! My disillusion knows no bounds. I have the album, as a Sony Special Products reissue CD (with five bonus tracks). I like it, though I don't love it. Seems like I remember someone on this list who thinks it's one of the greatest albums ever, however. Perhaps Terrence "It Don't Mean a Thing If It Ain't Got That Psychedelic Swing" Marks? Or maybe I'm having a COSTELLO-L flashback.... An OAR tribute record sounds like a neat idea. One of the best reasons to do a tribute album is if the original songs are well-written but performed/recorded weakly, and I think OAR fits that category very well. >'McCartney' is virtually a solo album, but I think it features the late >Linda on vocals and possibly songwriting. What date is it? 1970? Yup. >There must be some other contenders - suggestions? Huh. I never really thought about this issue before, but let's give props to Emitt Rhodes' self-titled album from 1970 on Dunhill. Another totally one-man project. >> TOUR DATES >> always subject to change ... >> THE OLIVIA TREMOR CONTROL >> Scanda-tour 98 >> w Neutral Milk Hotel and The Music Tapes Woo! Rockin' triple bill! Eb, who has long contended that there's nothing so deadly boring as Kevin Bacon threads np: Mark Lanegan/Scraps at Midnight ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:31:47 -0700 (PDT) From: griffith Subject: Queen Elvis Checked out www.secondspin.com, they have (2) copies of 'Queen Elvis' for $ 6.99 each. go get 'em griffith = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Griffith Davies hbrtv219@csun.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 98 11:42:43 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: live tape chatter On 8/12/98 12:14 PM, Ben wrote: >This reminds me of a Led Zeppelin tape I have. In between almost every song >there is a guy in the audience yelling "Heartbreaker!", and finally late in >the show Jimmy Page starts playing some of the riffs from it and you'd >think this guy just won the lottery, he's screaming so much! Does anyone >else have any favorite funny audince comments on tape? An RH tape I made at T.T. The Bear's Place in Cambridge has a pretty funny exchange. A girl yells: "Ice Cream Hands!!" (as audience members sometimes do). Then a guy yells at her: "Balloon Man, you twit!" (I think he thought she said Ice Cream Man) The funny thing is, she meant "Flavour Of Night" and he misunderstood what she said in the first place! This tape is floating around. Ask Bayard if yer innersted. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:51:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Lobsterman Subject: Re: live tape chatter Does anyone >else have any favorite funny audince comments on tape? there is a robyn gig that eddie "capitalism blows" tews taped in 97 (i think it is sacramento) where robyn's manager comes up to him (eddie) and says "taping again, eh?" that gets me almost every time. john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:18:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: The Dissociated Robyn Remember Tracy's travesty generator and random Robyn quote generator? Well, I fed a bunch of robynsongs into Jamie Zawinski's dadadodo program. JWZ's idea was that your usual travesty generator is way too orderly in the way it puts things together. He wants something that stomps rationality even further without losing all relationship to actual english. (Go ahead and check out www.jwz.org, if you care) As you see, most of the words are used properly, if oddly. I just thought this might be interesting for those folks interested in that sort of thing (Hey... it's more fun than anagrams). So here is one example of the output: Some day Oh Edward my wife and on and die space that your strawberry Mind Waiting for Everything they do share a kind of involvement thirst wisdom like a pope you if you do the joys that it's mad or An antenna to rob the arms and your devil mask, is there I'm out of dark I'm not too sore too fat to have you And Hang around round the death is the devil's Radio leaves eventually tear your drugs why I as I stumbled with a beach the body I was a train, Take your father or chemicals don't want say Goodnight I want to see something about So the life based on the television, President of dreams That's what else You, trouble don't know anymore I've got a church I know it wasn't called Steve There's just I've never be sad bells, of insanity is a mystic trip hey hey, hey now You've got Who is swarming round the Street it too to The midnight undulating sand of this love It's greasy and both her It's not a smell of the vaults and They make me wise men Of trains I only friend it's still crying in the latest cut The darkest dream Here could fly, No television, I love to shut they make all aboard Brenda's iron sledge all of Love, feel like a pourin With lather take The lying on ya, baby? For the record, J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:33:15 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: Peter Sellers Verse- hey, the eggs are gone Rich fegulated: >They opened Peter Seller's heart and they told him a story >Just cause you are not yourself doesn't mean you can't die >He passed away in a hotel they cremated him slowly This is what I heard at the Great American Music Hall, but my ears may have been operating improperly due to the proximity of the magnetism of some really cool fegs at the time: They opened Peter Seller's heart and they gave him a warning Just cause you are not yourself doesn't mean you can't die He passed away in a hotel I sure hope to god I don't - -Markg post script department: (Randi, I look a lot like the guy hiding under the CD. Though in the picture, I am glad to see you- that _is_, in fact, a shark in my pocket. I am also said to look like James Dignan, who is incredibly handsome.) Gratuitous Fegsharkpartyweekend stuff: More happy fegs will be making the trip, but we still have some room. I might make some of my thermonuclear pesto for the omelets and tofu scrambles. It keeps vampires away for weeks. I might even do my gnarly garlic bread. Coffee will be (REAL) Kona Vanilla-Mac roast. As prominent membership of the party is into eating things without faces, vegetarians will be treated to fine foods and not handed a head of iceburg lettuce and told to sit in the corner and to shut up. I think we'll do fresh fishy things for those of us who are so inclined. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 02:31:51 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther) Subject: RH question, cheesy Nonl plug :-) Questions: 1. Did any of ya'll get to see the Cale/ Creatures tour in DC? It was a great show (though the goths did spook me a little... I saw 5 Rob Zombies, 4 Marilyn Mansons, and a John Cale...(of course, the last was *the* john cale...) 2. Which DC/Balmer venue which robyn has played at recently do ya'll like the best? 3. Is there a tape of the DC 9:30 club gig w/ billy bragg a coupla years ago? 4. Has anyone heard any of the new Bill Berry-less REM's material yet? what does it sound like? Oh, and my incredibly persistent little group, Number Nine Line, is playing at Coffee Guru's in Annapolis this Saturday (@9:30), and at Wyatt's in Fells Point Thursday the 27th (not sure what time yet). (We are gonna do a dry run of "Only the stones" for glass flesh 2...) Actually, since I *know* there are many musicians on the list, I for one would like to see when ya'll are gigging...any one else care to agree or disagree? -luther ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:17:53 -0500 From: Zloduska Subject: Re: NMH, Tim Keegan, Tourdates, etc. Mike wrote: >> new releases out now >> >> MAVIS PIGGOTT 'In a Dark Suit' CD >> TIM KEEGAN & THE HOMER LOUNGE 'Disconnected' CDEP (import) >> TIM KEEGAN & THE HOMER LOUNGE 'Save me From Happiness' CD5 (import) >> CALIFONE 'Califone' CD/LP (ex-RedRedMeat) Did you say CALIFONE????!!!! Could you please provide me with a bit of background information on this group, if you can? If it is the same band that I am thinking of, then I really, really want to purchase that album. gracias, ~kjs from the EggSphere of the Fourth Dementia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:35:00 +0800 (SST) From: Kevin M Mathews Subject: Neutral Milk Hotel Has anyone heard the touted "Album of 1998" Neutral Milk Hotel's In the Aeroplane over the Sea? All those critics going ga-ga over the surreal lyrics and earthy tones should really listen to Robyn. It's close but no cigar - anyone out there agree? Cheers, Kevin. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:23:16 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: East Coast/West Coast fegparty rivalry hits all-time high! no, not THAT kinda high! Mr. Mark Gloster writes: >Gratuitous Fegsharkpartyweekend stuff: More happy fegs will >be making the trip, but we still have some room. I might >make some of my thermonuclear pesto for the omelets and >tofu scrambles. It keeps vampires away for weeks. I might >even do my gnarly garlic bread. I just don't know about putting pesto in omelets, though...that ain't right. Hey, I'll send you the BIG BOX of FEGCRAP from the Hootenanny! Including the thing that SOMEONE was SUPPOSED to have mailed to Eddie [ahem!]. I just opened this box and took a peek inside for the first time since the party, and there looks to be lots and lots of nutty stuff, including: - -cheezy poofs - -a squid - -a real live picture of James Dignan! He's HOT!!!! - -tinfoil Oscar Wilde and Bosey! {also HOT! -well, Bosey anyway} - -tinfoil Liam [complete with detachable head and permanent drink-in-hand] - -tapes and CDs and a videocassette of some kind - -all those little plastic toys and stuff that Mary brought [Mary? HOT!] - -big inflatable eyeball! [also from Mary] - -I think the game is in there maybe...though I would suggest attempting to get it set up BEFORE everyone is snot-slingin drunk...I also suggest trying to play it on a "board" that is something larger and more substantial than 8.5x11 paper! And I will try to throw some stuff in there as well, all the way from "Brooklyn, USA: A nice place to visit, an even better place to live!" I no longer like the rounded parenthesis, and I refuse to use them any more!!! lj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:28:39 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Skip Spence etc. On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Eb wrote: > Mike Godwin, Master of All '60s Obscurities, hasn't heard of OAR?? Zoinks! > My disillusion knows no bounds. Sorry about that. IIRC, Moby Grape only played in Bath once; Jerry Miller was well into country rock, lumberjack shirts etc, and Spence had already left the band. Miller was a good guitarist, but it was a fairly boring show and the Pav was half empty. CBS (sorry, Columbia) had done a big splash on them in the USA 18 months before, releasing 5 singles simultaneously, but they already looked tired out when I saw them. They certainly weren't in the same league as the Electric Prunes, who played an excellent set at the same venue a few months earlier. (None of my college pals was remotely interested in psychedelic music - they used to think I was making up the names when I said I was going to see these bands...) I saw the Airplane 3(?) times and Spence was never in the lineup. My guess is that he has never played in the UK and that consequently his solo album was not released over here. That's my excuse, anyway. Re solo projects: > Huh. I never really thought about this issue before, but let's give props > to Emitt Rhodes' self-titled album from 1970 on Dunhill. Another totally > one-man project. As soon as you mention Emitt Rhodes, the name Van Dyke Parks springs to mind. Did he do a totally solo album, or am I thinking of one of those supersession records with David Crosby and Jerry Garcia doing guest spots? One album that I've got which has that home-made feel to it, but is a duo rather than a solo act, is 'Farewell Aldebaran' by Judy Henske and Jerry Yester. Does that ring any bells? Quite a strange record. Aha, and I've just remembered multi-instrumentalist extraordinaire Sandy Bull! He could've been a contender... - - Mike G. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:09:32 -0400 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: cale & the creatures >Did any of ya'll get to see the Cale/ Creatures tour in >DC? It was a great show (though the goths did spook me a little... > I saw 5 Rob Zombies, 4 Marilyn Mansons, and a John Cale...(of >course, the last was *the* john cale...) no, but i did see them in boston. what a show! has anyone ever been to a show where the two bands played together for the whole night? the closest i've ever come to that was the graceland tour back in '87. cale would sing for a while, then together with siouxsie, then just siouxsie, then together... there were plenty of visigoths there. i wore a black t-shirt but that's as far as i go these days. one guy was dressed up like cyrano de bergerac or something. someone threw a black cowboy hat up on stage and siouxsie asked if she could keep it. when the person said no she replied, "you cheap thing." so sassy. the sound was phenomenal! that budgie guy is something else on the drums. didn't recognise much of the creatures stuff; but it sounded really wild. they finished off with an engrossing cover of 'venus in furs'. here's the set list: Cale: Lament Riverbank Fear (Is a Man's Best Friend) Magazines Hedda Gabbler (Sioux In/Cale Out) Creatures: Disconnected - new Take Mine - new Tattoo - b-side of "Dear Prudence" (!) Pluto Drive - Boomerang Miss the Girl - Feast Murdering Mouth (Cale back) - "Wild Things" EP Cale: Evidence Pablo Picasso (the crowd liked the mention of Boston's own JR) Heartbreak Hotel Creatures: But Not Them - "Wild Things" EP Turn It On - new Prettiest Thing - new B'side Ourselves - b-side of "O Baby" Exterminating Angel - new - ----------------------------------- Gun (Creatures/Cale) Venus in Furs (Creatures/Cale) KEN "fear is a man's best friend" THE KENSTER ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:25:12 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Neutral Milk Hotel In a message dated 8/13/98 3:37:42 AM, you wrote: <> New around here? At last count, there were right around 30 or so Fegs who had purchased the NMH disc, most of whom seemed to like it a lot (right, Eb?). Along with Dan Bern, NMH is probably the steadfastly hottest "sub- topic" (you know, after Robyn) on the list. I would also have to say that those critics are right on the money -- "Aeroplane" remains my favorite album of the year so far. On the other hand, these same critics are also almost certainly well aware of RH's 80's oeuvre, but probably don't consider him "relevant" anymore. That's just rock critics for ya! (right, Eb?) Anyway, welcome to the list, Kevin. Sorry to be so "contrary," but I thought it would be good to fill you in on the whole NMH-on-Fegmaniax phenomenon. So, what's you favorite album of the year so far (Kevin? anybody?)? - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:50:44 -0400 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: favorite album of the year (so far) >So, what's you favorite album of the year so far (Kevin? anybody?)? right now i'm really into the new liz phair WHITECHOCOLATESPACEEGG; but here are some other contenders: billy bragg & wilco MERMAID AVENUE mekons ME ani di franco LITTLE PLASTIC CASTLE jon langford SKULL ORCHARD KEN "don't ask me to choose" THE KENSTER ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:39:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: The Creatures! On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, luther wrote: > 1. Did any of ya'll get to see the Cale/ Creatures tour in > DC? > It was a great show (though the goths did spook me a little... I was there. Sorry if I spooked you! It was indeed a great show. It started off a little slow, with John Cale doing a couple of slower, piano-oriented, almost lounge-y songs; these were so far from what I was in the mood for that I couldn't even judge their quality. After that, though, he started rocking out more, then Siouxie came out, and everything was just fine. Of course, while John and Siouxie were both great, Budgie was the real highlight of the evening.... The lugubrious cover of "Heartbreak Hotel" was fun too. I did think the second encore was a small mistake, though. The first encore song, "Venus in Furs," was the perfect (if obvious) song to end on, and anything after that was a little anticlimactic. I don't know what Luther looks like, but I did spot another Feg, our own Scary Mary. (Actually she saw me first.) It's always nice to see some of you in real life. This time it was also of practical benefit, since standing near her helped me avoid deciding which of my mutually antagonistic groups of goth friends to spend the show with! Now, who was at the Front 242 show the next night? - --Chris PS: Anyone have an extra DC-area apartment they could lend me? ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:30:22 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Skip Spence etc. Godwin, Master of '60s Obscurities Except for OAR: >They >certainly weren't in the same league as the Electric Prunes, who played an >excellent set at the same venue a few months earlier. One of the top albums on my "gotta git" list is the Prunes' "Underground." You have that one? There's been talk of Reprise releasing a Prunes best-of for AGES, but it still hasn't happened.... (I do own the first record -- albeit in nasty condition -- and the infamous "Mass in F Minor.") Still...I don't know about concerts, but Moby Grape's debut is miles beyond anything by the Prunes. And about half of Wow is pretty darn good too.... >As soon as you mention Emitt Rhodes, the name Van Dyke Parks springs to >mind. Did he do a totally solo album, or am I thinking of one of those >supersession records with David Crosby and Jerry Garcia doing guest spots? Uhh, not sure about that one. However, since Parks' records are so heavily orchestrated, it seems unlikely to me that he would do a "totally solo" album. I mean, a record of just Van Dyke and piano probably wouldn't be very good, because of his weak voice, doncha think? Or does he play more instruments than I know about? (And I don't know of any connection between Rhodes and Parks...not sure why that cognitive link exists in your noggin.) Eb np: Bis/Intendo (this band could be huge, if only the music was a little warmer and less full o' silly cultural-revolutionary pretensions...) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #306 *******************************