From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #299 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, August 5 1998 Volume 07 : Number 299 Today's Subjects: ----------------- from randi - rasputina [Tim Fuller ] tape tree (from randi) [Bayard ] Re: The Permanent Fegtree ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: tour dates up the cornhole ["Capitalism Blows" ] The Genius Of Julian Cope [David Librik ] Re: Be glad that the Feg list isn't THIS list! [Eb ] Re: The Genius Of Julian Cope [nicastr@idt.net (Ben)] "hopping is a viable form of robot motility." ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: ["Capitalism Blows" ] 0% Bauhaus content [Eb ] Re: The Permanent Fegtree [JH3 ] still digging up the past ["Capitalism Blows" ] New-tral Milk Hotel for sale--- 0%RH [JudeHayden@aol.com] Re: The Permanent Fegtree ["Capitalism Blows" ] i don't want the world, i just want eb's half ["Capitalism Blows" Subject: from randi - rasputina Hi to whomever it is that likes "Rasputina" I Assistant Produced their last/newest video before I got sucked into the hospital - and let me tell you - they walk around in lingerie all the time. Around the office while we were in pre-production - there was some girl wrapped in a sheet - more like a piece of material - prancing around. I got sick before we started shooting - but I just remember one week of trying to find a "wardrobe stylist" the director and "client" liked. I must say - to me - white lingerie is just that - but man - we had racks and racks of white filmy stuff clogging up one of our boardrooms for a week! If anyone wants more gossip - email privately please :} fading back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, Randi *what scares you most will set you free* - Robyn Hitchcock n.p. - The Mabuses - if ya like Robyn - you have to have a listen to "The "Mabuses" - which you can find on Shimmy Disk :} ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:03:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: tape tree (from randi) randi asked a really good question - I explained how BRANCHES find who tey are trading with on the tree, but not *leaves*. here is my explanation - hope it makes sense. after the first tree, you will SUBTRACT one each time - but will jump to *16* for the second tree (since you are at position 1.) then 15 in tree 3, 14 in tree 4, etc. the key is BRANCHES add one each tree, leaves SUBTRACT one each tree. so in the first tree, randi and john jenks and dan henry get your tapes from branch A1 (eddie.) in the second tree, you'll trade with D16 (chris franz.) then in the third tree, you exchange with D15 (Ethyl Keytone.) just remember, if you're a branch , add one to the number of the leaf cluster you traded with last time. but if you're a LEAF (which by the way is an anagram of "flea") you're going to **subtract** one from the number of the branch you traded with the time before, that is until you got to eddie at branch A1, when you will have to jump down to chris at D16 the next time. Likewise, branches who traded with Leaf cluster #16 (david jones and karmafuzzz) the previous tree, will leap to cluster #1 (randi, john and dan.) if you like, think of it as a 3-dimensional tree with 16 branches extending horizontally, and a ring of leaves encircling the ends of the branches. the tree and the leaf ring are rotating slowly in opposite directions. It's a little like James' EBOLA ROBYN trick. You see why I'm loath to add more branches though - I'd essentially have to do it all over. =b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:16:16 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: The Permanent Fegtree wow! i was already the 99th person to look at this thing! i LOVE the background, bayard. a question: what about digitals making copies for analogs? i don't mean they should charge money, of course. but it just seems right that they should get a blank dat or something. yes! ram's head! ram's head! ram's head! i can't wait to hear the sequel to alien chuck! by the way, what was the deal with that? some wiseguy called out for Alien Chuck, and robyn obliged with the sequel? "Rock music will never die. Don't try to shatter it." --Wesley Willis ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:25:40 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: tour dates up the cornhole <1982 February 12, Hope & Anchor, Islington ROBYN w/Matthew Seligman, Rod Johnson July 9, The Venue, Victoria they also toured europe, but i couldn't find any dates. _______ matthew knights recalls (fron the chronology): July 9th 1981. Robyn plays at "The Venue", Victoria, London. This was a solo performance with lots of dancing girls hired to dance on stage in fish costumes. The girls were part of the act, all had the same costume and danced very well in time to the music! There was an elaborate stage set as well - fish were very much in evidence! "The Venue" has since been converted into a Garfunkel's. which of you chaps has the wrong year? Gotta keep this straight -> woops. i simply neglected to put a "1981" above that "july." that '82 was still for the soft boys section. it was a one-off reunion gig. so that means the european tour was in '81 also. and anthony thistlethwaite was with the band in '81 as well. oh, and in '82, it was wainwright on bass, metcalfe on organ. ("that friggin' orgun is 2 loud, bastid!") most of these were just typos on my part. sorry. i *did* proofread that list, believe it or not. <> June > 1, Wigton Market Hall, Carlisle > 1, Wigcombe Market Hall, Carlisle I vote for *Wigton*> my impression is that they played two gigs in carlisle that day. in other words, *both* wigton and wigcombe markets. does this sound possible? <> 10, Nags Head, Wollerton *Wollaton* I think, in Nottingham (or possibly Wolverton?)> there were definitely no apostrophes in "nags" in the newspaper clippings i was looking at. for what it's worth. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:29:50 -0500 From: David Librik Subject: The Genius Of Julian Cope Mike "Runion Grun!" Runion wrote: >>luther wrote: >> Has Julian Cope released anything since "20 Mothers" yet? >Yup...though most of it is availably only on import direct from Head >Heritage (http://www.headheritage.co.uk/). His only official Julian Cope >album released since the superb "20 Mothers" is "Interpreter". This was >originally only available on import (Echo), but a small Canadian label >picked it up and released it Stateside last year. The only place I've >ever seen it was in our local Virgin Megastore. By the way, it's a >rollicky and poundingly up-front and fun album...sorta "St. Julian" >crossed with "20 Mothers". Hi. This is where I appeal to all you Feg-drudes for information about Cope. I picked up _Interpreter_ totallly on a whim last month. All I knew about Julian Cope was that he was mentioned on this list, liked German rock, and had a thing about Mother Earth. Wow! This is the best album I've heard all year. It's amazingly great from start to finish. It took me a while to get used to his voice, but once I stopped minding it I couldn't stop finding great things about this CD. It starts with a jumpin' guitar-rocker with a great title, "I Come From Another Planet, Baby!" and proceeds onwards for another eleven tracks of catchy rock in several different styles. (CAVEAT: You have to like Early 70's BIG SYMPHONIC ROCK to feel this way about the music. Similarly you have to appreciate New Age Traveller concepts laid on heavily if you're going to enjoy the lyrics. I like both, and it is in fact a Big Bonus for me that large chunks of _Interpreter_ sound like Electric Light Orchestra.) Probably the highlight of the whole disc is a multi-part concept rock opera called "The Battle For The Trees" about hippies defending a wood against road construction. It's the sort of thing that makes you stand in the middle of your room with an air guitar and proclaim along with the singer, if you know what I mean. Is it like Robyn? Yeah, I think so. It's like the Robyn of _Fegmania_ or _Underwater Moonlight_ in its cheerful bop and impassioned emotional energy. It's like the Robyn of _Invisible Hitchcock_ in the way Cope turns his talent to multiple genres and makes them all come out accessibly likeable. And it's like Robyn's musical career in that the good stuff is coming out on obscure labels or small releases, while the period when he was on a major label with major publicity coincided with his weakest material. OK, I don't actually know that for sure. That's where my question comes in. Suffice it to say, Cope-loving fegs, that I bought _Peggy Suicide_ on the recommendation of several record review guides, and it's really really boring. I can't even get through it all (I keep bogging down in "Soldier Blue" with its zillion minutes of pseudo-rave noodling). So, if I really like the musical sound of _Interpreter_ -- guitar riffs, big drums, synth sweeps, strings and strong melodies -- what else can you recommend by Julian Cope? - - David Librik ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:43:07 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Be glad that the Feg list isn't THIS list! Honeymoon Feeney: >Subject: Re: Is the recent RS full interview with Yoko on the internet? >From: "Heather Treppen-Moore" >Date: 1998/06/24 >Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles > >Yoko's Tribute to Linda? This the same broad who knocked her husband >repeatedly in tiny and petty ways. I should think shutting the hell up >might be a more fitting tribute. > >This had me rolling!! Apparently, she's the list moderator and she posts >under several pseudonyms! And when people criticize Paul, they get thrown >off the list! They're also VERY strict about posts from the list being reprinted elsewhere -- even when the posts in question are texts of publicly published articles!!! So with the above transgression, you just became an enemy of Macca-L! Nicely done! ;) Eb now watching: Hal flail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:52:31 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: The Genius Of Julian Cope >OK, I don't actually know that for sure. That's where my question comes >in. Suffice it to say, Cope-loving fegs, that I bought _Peggy Suicide_ >on the recommendation of several record review guides, and it's really >really boring. I can't even get through it all (I keep bogging down in >"Soldier Blue" with its zillion minutes of pseudo-rave noodling). I really like "Peggy Suicide", even more than "20 Mothers". Not boring at all. It's a bit much to listen to at once, but the fact that he's broken it into 4 segments makes for a good way to listen to the album, one bit at a time. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:53:48 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: "hopping is a viable form of robot motility." speaking of which, the lineup, though not as spectacular as last year, *does* include they might be giants, sunny day real estate, and eric bogosian, all on the two days i'll be able to attend. not too shabby! anyhow, i think i've reached my san francisco quota for the year. by the way, my sister sneaked into womad and cut her leg up pretty good on the fence. i couldn't get off work, sadly enough. i've talked to a few people who've said it was mighty fucking amazing. ravi shankar's 17 year-old daughter played with him, and apparently they blew the motherfucking place out. i guess it'll be here for the next four years. uh, check the archives, under "fanfeg." you shan't be sorry! talk about deja vu! there was a pretty good-sized moxy fruvous thread on the dan bern list some months back, which convinced me to check them out. they've a brand new live album, which i finally found used a few weeks ago. it's ok, but, yes, sounds A LOT like they might be giants, only not nearly so good. the whole time i was listening to it, i kept thinking, "this is just making me want to listen to some they might be giants." was this taco bell deployed in enola, penna., by any chance? <(I also went through about half the $3.95 shelves at Rasputin's before deciding not to buy any more. There are at least two copies of QUEEN ELVIS there, if anybody's looking...)> yikes. i searched through EVERY MOTHERFUCKING ONE of those $3.95 shelves, and didn't find any of the things i was looking for. i think chris and jeme each snapped up a few nuggets, but that only made me stew in the juices even more as i sat in san fran gridlock and listened to jeme drone on and on about the masons. actually, i'll admit that i liked capuchin's anti-mason dissertation quite a bit. but i didn't like the gridlock. ummm...how about...uh, you know...THE EGYPTIANS??????? yes, they really are. more so than you'd think. anyway, moreso than *i'd* have thought. the one and only giants boot i have ends with a dynamite Frankenstein. so dynamite, that it's like a knife through the heart when it cuts off. they're playing at the rock arena at bumbershoot, incidentally, which doesn't have the best acoustics. but better than not being able to see them 'cause they're booked in a too-small venue, which is what happened to us last time they played bumbershoot. i was *just* thinking of asking about this, glen! no shit. i'm telling you guys, i'm fucking psychic. just no two ways about it. anyhow, i was thumbing through the current laserdisc newsletter today, and the SpiceWorld review is titled, "The Favorite Group in Arrakis." anybody know what this is about? is there some sort of Dune reference in SpiceWorld?? oh yeah, i trust y'all saw that the u.s. is getting ready to declassify a bunch of "embarrassing" documents detailing our close working relationship with the nazis following the war? np, john fogerty, BLUE MOON SWAMP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 14:00:28 PDT From: "Mr. Acronym Fascist" Subject: re: Robyn At Starbucks uh, russ, i'll let you redeem your get outta jail free card this time. but if it happens again, me an' leppo are coming down there with the crowbars. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 14:09:21 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: oh fuck! i just figured this out. *spice* *world*. got it. damn, am i sloooooow... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:23:46 -0700 From: Eb Subject: 0% Bauhaus content Rockoverchicago Tews: >>I don't think there's ANY band I'd like to see reunite more than the >>Pixies...not the Replacements, not Wire, not Talking Heads....> >ummm...how about...uh, you know...THE EGYPTIANS??????? Nope. Nor the Soft Boys. I really don't think reuniting either would change Robyn's music in any significant way, unlike the above cases, where the subsequent offshoot projects have been distinctly inferior to the original group recordings. A few other reunions I'd love to see: The Feelies Thin White Rope Hugo Largo Jellyfish Television Re TMBG: Sure, I like 'em, though they're definitely running out of steam nowadays. My favorite TMBG album is probably the debut or Apollo 18. I've seen the group twice live, once in the early days in a small club with backing tapes (generally a big turnoff for me, though I did once see a backing-taped Ween show which was immensely entertaining) and once a few years later when the Johns first started performing with a backing band. **Starfucker whiners, turn away here** That was the show where I was seated next to Weird Al Yankovic, and chatted with him off and on through the night. Very nice guy. Maybe he went out and bought a couple of Young Fresh Fellows CDs after the show, because of me. Heh. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:43:14 -0500 (CDT) From: JH3 Subject: Re: The Permanent Fegtree Eddie "Mister" T. wrote: >what about digitals making copies for analogs? i don't mean they >should charge money, of course. but it just seems right that they >should get a blank dat or something. That's a nice sentiment, but I don't it quite follows logically. (Not that I'm in the business of refusing free blank DATs...) Our reward for making analog copies is the clone of the tree DAT itself, and that's enough - especially if you only have one deck. Personally, all I ask from people who send me analog tapes (or MiniDiscs) in return is that they not be blank, but I don't insist on it. Besides, a lot of people wouldn't even know where to *find* blank DATs, at least in some parts of the world. Like the part I'm in. I actually own a DAT recorder and *I* can't find the damn things. Also, for those of you who might be blaming me - no doubt rightly - for the complexity of the tree because of my suggestion of a fancy rotating branch scheme, all I can say is that I'm genuinely sorry about that. (Bayard worked out the details himself, actually. Smart guy!!!) I'll admit there was some selfish reasoning involved, but hey, the tree has to stay alive, and life is change, change is life... Dammit, who the hell wrote that song? By the way, Eddie, you'll like this story: I used to declassify records at the National Archives (in a prior existence), and one day I was playing tour guide for this guy I knew and his new German girlfriend - straight off the plane. We got in the elevator, and I pressed the button for wrong floor, and we got out and nearly walked into the room where all the captured German war records are kept. I didn't know what to say, so I turned to this guy's girlfriend and said, "I think they've got some old stuff from the Nixon era in here..." John H. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 15:49:00 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: still digging up the past "i don't know. that's not for me to say. i'm not aware of having an obsession with them. all you have to do is mention a crab here, a prawn there, and everyone syas, 'oh boy, he's mad about shellfish.' someone gave us a live lobster in chicago. we had to give it to the people who run the club -- i couldn't really be responsible for it." (1987) "there's lots of creatures crawling all over the place, oozing out of each other...there's a high incidence of fish, underwater stuff on the new record -- people will say, 'ey up, hitchcock's into fish again...' i'll go to america and get given a few more plastic lobsters. someone gave us a live lobster in a bucket in chicago --at least they didn't throw it at us on stage -- the guy said he would!" (1988) "fish are beautiful-looking things. as are crabs and prawns. and insects. wasps and bees. i don't like flies much. i just write about things that i like the look of. the next record will have a lot of stuff about cats and kiosks and dials. i seem to be into those things at the moment. i do like fish, though. a guy brought a live lobster on to the tour bus in chicago once. this hippy brought it in a white bucket. we took it to the chicago home for lobsters. he said he was planning to throw it onstage. thank god he didn't. i would have retired if i'd been hit by a live lobster. they've go their place. but it's not being thrown at me onstage. mind you, i did get hit by some prawns once at the marquee. i thought for a second they'd burst out of me, like that thing in Alien. thankfully, this turned out not to be the case." (1995) ...so what i wanna know is, is the person who gave robyn the lobster among us? hedblade? hal? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:04:51 EDT From: JudeHayden@aol.com Subject: New-tral Milk Hotel for sale--- 0%RH Hey feggos- Today at lunch I popped down to the closest CD shop and picked up NMH's "In the Aeroplane over the Sea"... and well, though I found it interesting to some extent, it really isn't a must-have for my collection. Any parties interested in this still virtually new CD, please contact me privately. How does $8 including s/h sound? I'm open to negotiation... see ya, Jude ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 17:04:43 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: The Permanent Fegtree one time this toy store was having a clearance sale, and they had a bunch of mr. t stamps, the handles of which were actually in the shape of mr. t's head, for 25 cents each. i bought all that they had. about twenty or thirty, i think. i still have a few laying around, just in case you were wondering. i dunno. i always feel bad trading with dat-ers, 'cause it's like you're giving them an inferior product in exchange for a superior product. in the case of a tape tree, of course, you're not actually *trading* if a leaf sends a blank tape and sase, so it's a little different. but from what it sounds like, making a dat-to-analog copy is kind of labor-instensive. is this correct? you can't just set them spinning and go off and watch The A-Team, and then maybe step out to ham heaven for some lovely ham-flavored soda, or...whatever. you've got to, you know, be on hand to make sure you get the sidebreak right and all, doncha? did y'all see that episode of Northern Exposure where the really old tree had gotten some disease, and they ended up having to cut it down, then planted a new one in its place? it was the season finale...let's see, must've been '93...and the last shot is this new tree they've planted there, and the background music is Turn, Turn, Turn. very effective, i thought. one of the cooler things i've seen on the tee-vee. wow. interesting concept: "*used to* declassify records at the national archives." i'd think they'd just, you know, incinerate you when you decide you don't want to work there anymore. i mean, you've seen everthing! you've seen the Big Board! what do they do, change all the passwords or something when someone leaves the cocoon? also, maybe you can answer this, john. i've often wondered why they bother declassifying at all (actually, clinton has made noises in this direction. clinton is just hands down the worst president ever on civil liberties. of course, he's way, way down there on a lotta things...) that is, i'd think it would actually be fairly easy to get the foia overturned, and i'm kinda surprised it's not been attempted. "maureen and the meatpackers were a cambridge band who crowned a performance at one of that fair city's annual collegiate May Balls by chucking freshly-roasted veal cutlets into the audience. the reaction of this audience --upper echelons of britain's educated-- was something to witness, so i'm told." --ian penman ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 17:59:45 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: i don't want the world, i just want eb's half well, i see where you're coming from. but it's irrelevant, really. the egyptians were the greatest touring band on god's green earth, and, dammit, we NEED another tour outta them! 'fraid i'm gonna have to side with the FLOODers here. although it's tough to deny the power of THEN: the first rekkid, plus LINCOLN, plus MISC. T, plus various other goodies, all on two discs. that's dense, mama! when that first came out, i left the schoolchildren version of Particle Man on some guy's answering machine. he was freaking fucking out. "it's *schoolchildren* singing *Particle Man*!!!" i like APOLLO 18, especially Mammal, but for some reason, i just can't *love* that record, you know? yeah, i've always thought he seemed like a pretty regular guy. i think some of his stuff's pretty ingenious, really. i've been known to scream the whole of Harvey The Wonder Hamster out my window while driving through parking lots. no doubt about it. "harvey, harvey, harvey the wonder hamster. he never bites, he never squeals, just runs around in his hamster wheel. it's harvey, harvey, harvey the wonder haaaaaaamster. hey, harvey!" tough to beat those lyrics! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:37:19 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: 0% Bauhaus content >>ummm...how about...uh, you know...THE EGYPTIANS??????? > >Nope. Nor the Soft Boys. I really don't think reuniting either would change >Robyn's music in any significant way, unlike the above cases, where the >subsequent offshoot projects have been distinctly inferior to the original >group recordings. Except the Soft Boys *did* reunite a few years ago. And guess what, they sounded like the Soft Boys. But then, you have to consider the fact that Robyn, Morris and Andy (the Egyptians) were ex-Soft Boys, but the Egyptians didn't sound like the Soft Boys. I think if RH started playing with a full band on a regular basis it would have to influence his material in some way, just because he would be writing with the idea of arranging the song for a group rather than solo. Some of us tape-hoarders on the list have heard recent RH performances with various backing bands. How do you friggin' tapers think they compare with RH the folkie? Come on, speak up! Or can't you drag yourself away from the tape deck for 5 minutes?!?! :) >A few other reunions I'd love to see: >Television They reunited already, and made a great CD too. So another TV reunion would in fact be a re-reunion! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:40:00 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Big Ted and Little Ted yon hooded Capuchin asks: >Now... being a younger fella, I wonder about the origins of the word and >all that. Am I totally mistaken in thinking that the early Adam Ant is a >prototypical teddy boy? Well, he's the one I always imagine. I can't add much to what Danielle said, except the foillowing: teddy boys were mainly around in the late 50s: when young rebels in the US were copying James Dean, in Britain they were garbing up in Edwardian-style (hence 'Ted") clothing. Certain elements of their style have filtered down since then, though, in the new wave stylings of people like from Adam Ant and even the likes of Icehouse's Iva Davies, to the frills and ruffles sometimes seen with the more flamboyant goths (is this an oxymoron?). Another song to mention the 'Teds" is "Do the Dog" by the Specials ("All you punks and all you teds...") James RIP Shari Lewis & Lambchop now reading - "Dimsie goes on the game to pay off her student loan" James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #299 *******************************