From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #291 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, July 29 1998 Volume 07 : Number 291 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Avalon [Eb ] Re: Avalon/Egyptians top 10 [nicastr@idt.net (Ben)] Ebspeak [dsaunder@islandnet.com (Daniel Saunders)] Re: Ebspeak [amadain ] Re: the truth is out there [Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer ] Re: sons of the Jazz age [M R Godwin ] Re: Avalon/Egyptians top 10 ["Marcy Tanter" ] from randi - re: Avalan, marcy and eb, and video nasties [Tim Fuller ] Re: from randi - re: ...video nasties [JH3 ] Re: Avalon/Egyptians top 10 [Tom Clark ] Re: from randi - re: ...video nasties [Lorelei D Laird ] bouncing [LORDK@library.phila.gov] makin' it with bacon (no robyn) [Ken Sabatini ] oh - no - major spelling error [Tim Fuller ] Re: RH, Bern and fertility symbols [HSatterfld@aol.com] had cat retch up/Listomania [fred is ted ] Re: had cat retch up/Listomania [Tom Clark ] Re: video nasties [KarmaFuzzz@aol.com] Re: Rock Stars Children [KarmaFuzzz@aol.com] Re: from randi - trying to find an RH link to this... [KarmaFuzzz@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 22:35:05 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Avalon Marcy: >>how can you NOT be distracted by everything when "Avalon" is playing? It's >>one of the most boring songs I've ever heard. (sorry--I had to say it. I >>really , really, really , really hate it. nothing personal.) Ben: >Whaaaaat? "Avalon" is such a brilliant album (and song)! Am I alone here? I >hope Robyn does the all-acoustic rendition of this album someday, as his >versions of "More Than This" and "Take A Chance With Me" are great...! You know, I absolutely *adored* Avalon when it was new (and thank gawd I saw the band on their final tour -- the second concert I ever saw!), but with passing time, I don't think it has aged nearly as well as some of the earlier Roxy Music records (my faves: Country Life and Siren). The increasing vapidness of Ferry's similar-sounding solo albums has sorta tainted my impression of Avalon. In hindsight, it sounds like the beginning of the end for Ferry, his last great work before sliding into shapeless adult-contemporary mush. Still, Avalon still ranks among my favorite six or seven records of that year (top three: Security, Imperial Bedroom and The Dreaming). Performers with the crackle and sheen of a new twenty dollar bill. Ebyn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 02:29:05 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: Avalon/Egyptians top 10 >You know, I absolutely *adored* Avalon when it was new (and thank gawd I >saw the band on their final tour -- the second concert I ever saw!), but >with passing time, I don't think it has aged nearly as well as some of the >earlier Roxy Music records (my faves: Country Life and Siren). The >increasing vapidness of Ferry's similar-sounding solo albums has sorta >tainted my impression of Avalon. In hindsight, it sounds like the beginning >of the end for Ferry, his last great work before sliding into shapeless >adult-contemporary mush. Still, Avalon still ranks among my favorite six or >seven records of that year (top three: Security, Imperial Bedroom and The >Dreaming). Since I was more into Sesame Street than Roxy Music when "Avalon" came out, it's still a fairly new record to me, in fact I got into Roxy after reading "Avalon" was in Robyn's top 10-list included in "Gotta Let This Hen Out". I still think it's one of the best synthesizer-based albums I've heard, it's very lush and warm, and of course the songs themselves are fabulous! I've never heard any solo Ferry stuff. My favorite records of 1982 would probably be "Shoot Out The Lights", "Avalon", and "Imperial Bedroom" too! Oh, for those who don't have Rhino's "Hen" CD (shame on you!) here's the Egyptians top ten lists. I don't know if these were written around 1985 or around the time of the reissue... Robyn- Beatles: Revolver Dylan: Highway 61 Byrds: Mr Tambourine Man Beefheart: Clearspot Steeleye Span: Please To See The King Syd: Barrett Bowie: Heroes Roxy: Avalon Velvets: The Velvet Underground Martin Carthy: Shearwater Andy- Beatles: Revolver Charlie Parker: Parker Jam Sessions Dan Hicks: Striking It Rich Little Feat: Sailing Shoes Beatles: Sgt. Pepper Beach Boys: Surf's Up Steely Dan: Pretzel Logic Joni Mitchell: Hejira Prefrab Sprout: Steve McQueen Ry Cooder: Borderline Morris- Beach Boys: Surf's Up Miles Davis: Decoy Squeeze: East Side Story The English Beat: I Just Can't Stop It Steely Dan: Pretzel Logic Roxy: Stranded Sly & Family Stone: There's A Riot Goin' On Can: Future Days The Band: The Band Isley Bros.: Greatest Hits ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 23:20:29 -0800 From: dsaunder@islandnet.com (Daniel Saunders) Subject: Ebspeak > First, because The Tokens thought of it, second, because it demonstrates > The Happenings' enormous versatility, with material that embraces the > Psycle of modern musical style -- from jazz to hard rock to R&B (note > particularly "Lord, I Think I'm Growing Old" and "When I Lock My Door," > with whistling "Toots" Thielmans on guitar), and third, because it shows > what can happen when a forty-year-old standard such as "Bye Bye Blackbird" > is brought full Psycle and treated as an up-to-date riot. You lost me after the word "First". What are you talking about? - -- Daniel Saunders Reality is that which when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away. - Philip K. Dick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 02:18:03 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Ebspeak >> particularly "Lord, I Think I'm Growing Old" and "When I Lock My Door," >> with whistling "Toots" Thielmans on guitar), and third, because it shows >> what can happen when a forty-year-old standard such as "Bye Bye Blackbird" >> is brought full Psycle and treated as an up-to-date riot. > >You lost me after the word "First". What are you talking about? He didn't lose me til he mentioned Toots Thielmans on -guitar- (?). That's a new one on me. Love on ya, Susan and now, Tommy Tedesco on viola......... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:21:23 +0100 (BST) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: the truth is out there >>>>> "Bayard" == Bayard writes: Bayard> Now try it going forwards 13 letters (don't count Bayard> the one you start from) for EBOLA. We have to ask, have you been sending 'secret' messages about Robyn using rot13? Or jokes that Robyn was in the punchline, and you didn't want to have spoiled. furrfu! Stewart - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 01:01:30 -0700 From: zolarox@juno.com (Debora K) Subject: Re: Ebspeak >>You lost me after the word "First". What are you talking about? HAHAHA!!! That's nearly exactly what he wrote back to me in response to a Rush query. Granted, he was very nice, but when I mentioned Mr. and Mrs. Debora in seperate sentences, he responded that he no longer knew who he was talking to, referring to my talking in 3rd person speak. Vince( who thinks Eb is *damn cool, dude*, but needs some Rush in his veins ) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:35:32 +0100 From: Gary Sedgwick Subject: Blue Rose and the Emerald Isle Hi all - I've just got back from a holiday in Dublin (where there's a surprising amount of really talented local singer songwriters...) I've still got about six or so digests to get through, so sorry if I'm behind on anything - I'll get there in the end. And everyone that contacted me off list - I'll get round to replying to you today. I wanted to buy the Tim Keegan & Homer Lounge (that is what they're called now) single the week of release, but it wasn't so easy to track down in Ireland. I eventually found it in one of the Tower records (I wonder how many singles they'll sell in Eire? One?!? Also, Robyn's records are extremely hard to come by there). I've also got the GLR radio interview with Tim (sorry, I didn't catch any of the NMH radio performances on XFM), in which he explains that Homer turned into Homer Lounge as the music got progressively laid back. The single Disconnected is pretty good, although I wouldn't say it's one of Tim's best songs in a while. BTW, it's very worthwhile getting on the Blue Rose mailing list (in the UK at least). Gary, still trying to get used to this bloody German keyboard with the 'y' and 'z' keys swapped over. >Date: Sat, 18 Jul 98 10:14:53 -0800 >From: Karen Reichstein >Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #276 > >Hello! > >The new Tim Keegan and the Homer Lounge (? I still want to call them >Homer) single, "Disconnected," is indeed out, according to the Homer web >page. You can get it through Blue Rose Records, based in >London.(www.bluerose.com) I sent away for it last week, but I live in the >States, so these things take a while. > >Karen > > >>Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:15:49 EDT >>From: Tobyhello@aol.com >>Subject: Tim Keegan etc >> >>I've been offline for a couple of weeks, so I don't know if the following >>have >>been discussed: >> >>1) Is the new Homer single out yet? A friend of mine had a letter from the >>record company urging her to buy it a couple of weeks ago, but I've yet to >>see >>it... >> >>2) Has Robyn announced any UK gigs? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:37:24 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: sons of the Jazz age > Mike a dit: > >Declan McManus is the son of a fairly successful jazz band musician - does > >that count, or do they both have to be rock musicians? On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, James Dignan wrote: > so is Paul McCartney IIRC. I think that's right. Recently the National Trust have taken over the McCartneys' little house, where it was claimed that John and Paul wrote "Love Me Do" and "When I'm 64". WI64 is definitely one of Macca's jazziest tunes, but does it really date back to early Beatles days? Maybe his dad influenced it. On the topic of artistes of the decade, none of the suggested top 70s artists had anything like the widespread appeal of the Beatles. LZ fans were mainly teenage boys and Floyd buyers were hi-fi buffs and dope fiends. Unlike the Beatles, I don't think either band reached the teenybopper / mums and dads markets. I regret to say that the only possible major all-ages big-selling act for the 70s is Elton John... - - Mike G. > PS - Moonlighting? That's what I guessed, but it was wrong. The correect answer was the thoroughly cheesy "When I Need Love" (But you know I won't be travelling forever, it's cold out, so hold out' etc, that one). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:37:18 -0400 From: "Marcy Tanter" Subject: Re: Avalon/Egyptians top 10 I wonder if those lists would have changed if they'd been asked to make one every week. Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:00:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Fuller Subject: from randi - re: Avalan, marcy and eb, and video nasties > Firstly...Marcy did write: > ...how can you not be distracted when "Avalon" is playing. It's one > of the most boring SONG'S I've ever heard. Marcy was not commenting on the album, I distinctly remember reading SONG'S...and I'm not under enough heavy medication to forget that - - or enough narcotics to make me agree with Eb ;} > then Marcy took it one step to far... > ...just for the record - Randi is a big fake. She is really a he, he > plays for the Toronto Raptors, and is from the Ukraine. He's been > playing a cute little joke on all us fegs (as someone who is part > Ukranian, I speak for all my people when I say don't think it's all that > funny) Oh sure tanter - take it to the list. I thought it was our little secret - though I suspect Eb knew all along but *he* was kind enough not to air my dirty little secrets in public ;} For the record - I was a great defense person on our high school basketball team - so many, many, many, moons ago...but I'm only 5'2" so get your facts straight Marcy dear ;} I cannot humbly apologize to the Ukraine people for what is - alas - not true - but Marcy - I think you've got some "splaining" to do :} And to all in fegland... How am I supposed to go back to work when they let me out of the hospital! Everyone hates, despises, or won't watch videos. The truth is - I don't even watch MuchMusic here in Canada - and I'm music video/commercial producer. I'm more the kind of person who will listen to the radio and make everyone around me stop and listen to the song and say "I did the video for that one." I only work in the video industry to make money to write my book on Crohn's and Colitis... {btw- marcy - you need not believe this - you can go on pretending I'm just taking a break from basketball ;} But I hate my job - usually I've worked with great artists and bands so it's kept me going - but with *all* of your comments spinning in my head I feel like retiring...and I'm only 31!!!! I just have to remember, I produce videos - but I do not direct them...no way...especially if I was a hunk of Ukrainian basketball player - the reality then would be...I'd be lifting all the heavy things instead of pointing to where equipment should go...and I do like the pointing part ;} So - since I accidentally started this thread - 'cause of Sarah McLachlan - - though somehow I remember it being Eb asking for details on that one - how will I ever go back to work - knowing what I know now - that those who have spoken on the topic of videos live in the same "Globe Of Fegs" as me ;} Now I have to admit I've been living in denial....'cause I mostly agree with all who disparage music videos... Nurse, nurse, need heavy medication now! fading back into oblivion, Rand *what scares you most will set you free* - Robyn Hitchcock p.s. - Eb did a lovely thing for me - went into the archives to pick something I wanted out from there - and mailed it to me. and Marcy - though a bit mixed up - has been emailing me with such funny letters that I am lucky I haven't burst a staple...the doctors would be pretty pissed of at that...remember that tanter ;} ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:09:55 -0400 From: "Chaney, Dolph L" Subject: RE: from randi - re: Avalan, marcy and eb, and video nasties I love videos. Really. And I'm not just saying that so that Randi will do one for me rather than retire or anything... ;-) Actually, this weekend, Natalie and I watched _Brenda of the Lightbulb Eyes_ because I hadn't seen it, and I liked it. We still don't know what an old man and a bald boy have to do with anything on _Queen Elvis_, but I don't have a problem with that. Coming soon -- a full report from meeting David, gNat, and one of our many Marys up in Michigan! I'm just too tired right now, because last night we mixed and mastered my CD. 8-) Dolph np: Chris Stamey, _Wonderful Life_ (going out of print, bought for $4 from ESD's clearance sale) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:30:58 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Going where the sunshine hurts my eyes On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, amadain wrote: > He didn't lose me til he mentioned Toots Thielmans on -guitar- (?). That's > a new one on me. Yes, I saw a TV interview with the old harmonica guy several years ago, and he really likes to play a bit of jazz guitar for fun, not professionally. Similarly, the late Stephane Grappelly used to include a bit of piano in his act, but his main instrument was always the fiddle. - - Mike Godwin PS I just heard an Oasis track which didn't borrow from the Beatles or David Bowie. It was called Electric something, and it was ripped off from 'Wonder Boy' by the Kinks! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:19:51 -0400 From: "Marcy Tanter" Subject: Re: from randi - re: Avalan, marcy and eb, and video nasties I think we need to make a feg trip up to Toronto.... Marcy ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:37:55 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: Avalon/Egyptians top 10 they were originally published in the fan club magazine. make of that what you will. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:28:06 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: Re: from randi - re: ...video nasties Randi rote: >How am I supposed to go back to work when they let me out >of the hospital! >Everyone hates, despises, or won't watch videos. I actually like music videos quite a bit, though like everyone else, it's mainly just to avoid watching all the other trash that makes up 99% of what's on telly-vision these days. (And you can have them on while you're cleaning the house...) The main problem is that I'd rather see something creative and well-made, whereas the S.O. would rather do the MST3K-like heckling routine in front of some utterly awful old schlock, the more awful the better. I guess we have totally different definitions of what constitutes entertainment... that, or after a while I just get tired of laughing at bad haircuts. (BTW, Randi, did you ever manage to download those feg-symbol graphic files (at http://www.alternatech.net/jh3/robyn )? I could e-mail them to you if you want.) And did anybody watch 120 Minutes this past weekend? There was a band on that appeared in person, who'd done an awesome video based on Luis Bunuel's "Un Chien Andalou" - something I always wanted to do myself, actually, were I to have my own record company. (And a song worth releasing...) But I got distracted and didn't quite catch the name - they were a new band, a male-female duo it looked like, and I think the name started with an "E". It may have been the best video I've seen since Lush were in their heyday. MORE BLATHERING: For the first time EVER out here in the Middle of Nowhere (Rural Illinois: Home of Gun-Wielding Wackos), somebody asked me to make a Robyn Hitchcock mix tape! This woman asked me to put a "representative sampling" of Robyn tunes on one 100-minute tape, with something from every album (though I left "Eye" out), and "try to keep it mostly upbeat" (probably why I left "Eye" out). Of course I don't want to start a "favorite tunes" thread or anything, but I know some people are actually interested in this stuff, so this is what I came up with: SIDE A: Brenda's Iron Sledge, Do Policemen Sing, Love, Egyptian Cream, My Wife & My Dead Wife, Heaven, Bells of Rhymney, America, St. Petersburg, UPT's, Autumn is Your Last Chance, Give Me a Spanner Ralph, Winchester, Ted Woody & Junior SIDE B: Raymond Chandler Evening, Airscape, Balloon Man, Flesh #1, MotW, The Devil's Coachman, Veins of the Queen, SYTYIL, Birds in Perspex, Arms of Love, Railway Shoes, When I Was Dead, Birdshead, Alright Yeah, De Chirico Street No big surprises I suppose, but it does all fit nicely on a 100 minute cassette, in case you don't have one of those fancy programmable CD changers that tells you how much time all your selections will take. STILL MORE BLATHERING: It struck me as I was picking these tunes out that of all the songs Robyn has officially released, "Madonna of the Wasps" seems to me to be the saddest, i.e. the most brooding and sorrowful. I know that sounds weird, since it was a big college radio single and everything, but I've been listening to a lot of RH lately and that's the conclusion I've come to. "Love" and "Messages of Dark" come close, and so do "Luminous Rose," "OLPOE" and "St. Petersburg," but they just don't seem to have that same degree of melancholy... And it also struck me that Robyn doesn't write a lot of sad songs - he can occasionally be harsh, wistful, and even menacing, but there only seems to be about one song per album, two at the most, that's actually sorrowful. Which is probably just as well. Anyway, sorry to go on. John H. Hedges III, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 98 11:46:57 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Avalon/Egyptians top 10 On 7/29/98 12:29 AM, Ben wrote: >I don't know if these were written around 1985 or >around the time of the reissue... They were originally published in the fegMANIAX! newsletter, April 1988. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:57:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Lorelei D Laird Subject: Re: from randi - re: ...video nasties Excerpts from mail: 29-Jul-98 Re: from randi - re: ...vid.. by JH3@netins.net > same degree of melancholy... And it also struck me that Robyn doesn't wri > te > a lot of sad songs - he can occasionally be harsh, wistful, and even > menacing, but there only seems to be about one song per album, two at the > > most, that's actually sorrowful. Which is probably just as well. Wow, you think so? Robyn's always struck me as a fairly melancholy artist--take "Raymond Chandler Evening" or "Autumn Sea", both of which, I feel, capture that vague sense of hopelessness and depression perfectly. (Or maybe that's just MY sense of hopelessness and depression.) I Often Dream of Trains, too, always struck me as a melancholy album, although now that I think about it, it's not sad so much as wistful and sort of intuitively dark. There's some quote in the Soft Boys 1976-81 liner notes to the effect that Robyn writes/wrote dark songs because he's uncomfortable being human. unlurking, Lorelei ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 98 12:15:13 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Shatner! It's Hog Wild Week at KFJC (89.7FM, Foothill College - Los Altos Hills, CA, USA) and for the last 2 hours they've played nothing but William Shatner. It's completely sick making! I don't know how much longer it's gonna last, but point your browser to www.kfjc.org to listen online. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:51:09 -0400 From: LORDK@library.phila.gov Subject: bouncing Bouncing on and off and on the digest, Im way confused. Let me get this clear. Someone brought up the question of whose canoodled to robyns music and no one answered? This cant be right. Robyn writes unabashidly eroticlly- charged music, this is a list dedicated to him, and no one will come forward with unabashidly erotic tales to tell? Ive been gone too long. Susan, are you still out there? And might I add fucking is-not-the sexual activity I most associate with his music--based, shall we say, on my own experience. And oh--the Madonna of the Wasps video just about ruined the song for me. Im not even that much of a movie person. I prefer music or books--where you get to make your own movie. But I love theatre and ballet. I think it might be that movies, videos, are 2 dimensional. But then I love paintings. there is no sense to the human psych. But I like mediums where my imagination(visual by definition)has room to move. which is why I particularrly like robyns music--its gist for the mill. His lyrics are like seeds. Drop them into water and watch them flower. Or Jacks beans. :-) Under the Mercy K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:14:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Sabatini Subject: makin' it with bacon (no robyn) Eb: >Sorry, I have never slept with Kevin Bacon. I can't imagine it would be a >pleasant experience anyway, what with those gigantic pug nostrils blowing >hot gusts of air in my face the whole time. >The Happenings. >Eb ;) So you admit the idea has crossed your mind? I'm sure you could get around the hot gusts of air with a little imagination. Gadzooks! This is the last time I post on this topic. Ken *not formally known as "the Kenster"* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:20:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Fuller Subject: oh - no - major spelling error A quick apology to all - I believe I wrote "Avalan" - when of course it's "Avalon" - sorry - the hospital is screwing up my typing skills ;} Randi who can't even believe she made such an error - and in centuries past would be drawn and quartered by now ;} ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:30:48 EDT From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: Re: RH, Bern and fertility symbols Eb exclaimed: >Good-annoying: That squalling little girl in the "Mafia!" trailer, crying >"Ruuuun, [something indecipherable], ruuuuuuuun!" That gets under my skin >every time. It's more annoying when you get the joke. The boy has flowers in his hand. The girl is saying, "Run, florist, run!" in slow-motion. This is a Forrest Gump reference. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:48:03 -0700 (PDT) From: fred is ted Subject: had cat retch up/Listomania Ahh, running behind, let's see... About the Ebellion that broke out recently; I find Eb's posts fact-pact and fun. I mean, c'mon--Eb has flair! Who else could bring us the neato Tomb-o-rama!? As for the history thread, I resisted the temptation to press the shiny, candy-like history (eraser) button. Good points were made on all sides. Adam Smith carries the debate on points... That being said, thanks for the slam vs. military history, Danielle! Please try to distinguish b/w popular and academic MH in the future (as Ted goes back to playing w/his army men) :) Cloudland Revisited: Repo Man and Sid and Nancy both kick ass. WAY too many good memories of watching Repo Man w/friends. The Prodigy (Fat of the Land): never mind the melodies and narsty lyrics... to me, the production is a thing of beauty. Hey Randi--yep, we get wonderful TKITH here in the states, at noon on Comedy Central (which also has the very funny The Daily Show and Dr.Katz). Bulletin from the Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things: Another "all-time best" list is out. Top novels of the 20th c. The list was devised by Random House/Modern Library to hype its catalog for the new school year. Ulysses came in 1st (natch), Great Gatsby 2nd, Portrait of the Artst 3rd, Lolita 4th (yes!), Brave New World 5th.. I was charmed that the list announcement ran in the NYT opp. a big pic of the Spice Girls in concert. I bet Baby Spice goes through books like water. Had a peachy time watching "The Green Berets" on cable the other day. Makes me SOOO ashamed to be an American. "Peter-san, Peter-san!" OTOH, Grosse Pointe Blank has been running alot, I play it endlessly in the background. A goodie. Ted "yeah, we get high on music" Kim Deal _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 98 17:03:17 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: had cat retch up/Listomania On 7/29/98 4:48 PM, fred is ted wrote: >Bulletin from the Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things: >Another "all-time best" list is out. Top novels of the 20th c. The >list was devised by Random House/Modern Library to hype its catalog >for the new school year. Ulysses came in 1st (natch), Great Gatsby >2nd, Portrait of the Artst 3rd, Lolita 4th (yes!), Brave New World >5th.. I was charmed that the list announcement ran in the NYT opp. a >big pic of the Spice Girls in concert. I bet Baby Spice goes through >books like water. And I bet there wasn't even one "Dick and Jane" book on the entire list. The travesty... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:10:37 EDT From: KarmaFuzzz@aol.com Subject: Re: video nasties In a message dated 98-07-28 17:58:00 EDT, gondola@deltanet.com writes: > Speaking of VH1, I've recently seen a few excellent specials on PBS, which > were apparently licensed from VH1. I'm talking about "Classic Albums." I > saw really interesting hourlong specials on the making of "Graceland," > "Rumours" and "The Band." (I'm not even a Fleetwood Mac fan, and the > special was *still* thoroughly engrossing.) Can anyone tell me what other > albums have been profiled via this program? Pet Sounds? Dark Side of the > Moon? Sgt. Pepper? Philosophy of the World? i watched one on _Electric Ladyland_ and i think i surfed past one on DSOTM (i don't really care about Pink Floyd during the Noel Burke/Ten Pole Tudor era....) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:10:26 EDT From: KarmaFuzzz@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock Stars Children In a message dated 98-07-28 12:12:28 EDT, hssmrg@bath.ac.uk writes: > Declan McManus is the son of a fairly successful jazz band musician - does > that count, or do they both have to be rock musicians? and isn't his son a musician too? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:09:58 EDT From: KarmaFuzzz@aol.com Subject: Re: from randi - trying to find an RH link to this... ct965@freenet.toronto.on.ca writes: > > karmafuzzz wrote about Sarah McLachlan: > > ...not that I'm being critical of your company's decision, but it seems > > - at least to me - more fair to say what the record company wanted and > > what you gave them didn't quite fit. nobodys fault ultimately, but they > > hired the wrong director company for what they wanted > > Well, I see your perspective...and perhaps I didn't state my case properly. > Arita *chose* our company, and the director's treatment to do these videos. > We had every director we represent doing treatments, as did G-d only > knows how many other companies...but...they chose us...because of our > track record, 'cause of the director's treatment, 'cause of the director, > 'cause they wanted what we were offering them... > Part of my job - when I'm working, not in hospital ;} - is to make things > available to the client - so they can say ___*NO*____ at any time. > "The client" is the record company, the management team and the artist. > When I'm doing a job I speak to the client a few times a day...send them > storyboards, send them production information - including who will be on > the crew as a grip, a focus puller, even a production assistant. > As the shot list is developed the client gets a new copy everyday, > including camera angles - what kind of shot - wide - medium - closeup... > The client and director have to approve wardrobe together...as a producer > I offer my comments - if asked. > And Sarah has done all her videos though us, and yes, mostly using the > same director, who has done a few David Bowie videos { - are you from > Arista karmafuzzz? :}... gawd no. i don't think i own anything off arista (well, okay a couple church records. and, um, sarah mclachlan). i just remember seeing something about this is entertainment weekly or some other godawful magazine, and bowie was mentioned as one of the other artists she had worked with, since grandmothers have heard of him. > So, the way *I* see it, "the client" is always being completely appraised of > every single thing - they are on set during the filming of the video too - > and > they sit through the editing. > So, we don't feel slighted, we feel kinda lied to and taken advantage of. > If a "Sarah being beautiful" video is what they wanted - they should have > told us - and we would have made it happen. > Or, they should have accepted another treatment where *Sarah looking > pretty* was the main focus. > It just seemed kinda sneaky that they took the two videos {and all > the footage} back to L.A. and had someone at the record company re-edit > it for them. We would have done it - that's our job. > So - point is - with "the client" being involved every single step of the > way - it's hard for me to accept a statement like - > > "it's more fair to say what the record company wanted and what you gave > them didn't quite fit..." i typed this so fast i left out the maybe that was supposed to be at the front. i blame clive davis. > We delivered exactly what was promised... > Does this make more sense? okay, now i understand. i wasn't actually being critical (or at least i was trying not to be). i was basically trying to say, that sometimes things don't work out, and it's no one's fault, and that everyone seemed to be basically in the right. it does seem rather sneaky to re-edit it behind your backs (the part i somehow didn't get). if they wanted to re-edit themselves, they should have just said it didn't quite work they way they thought it would (or, since sarah's lillith fair idea is becoming such a media sensation, they've changed minds what direction they want to go) and they want someone else to re-edit the clips, rather than going behind your backs. that's pretty tacky. then again, based on arista's catalog, they probably aren't too afraid of offending you guys since it doesn't exactly sound like you'd be considered for the new whitney houston clip anyways. > I don't mean any bad vibes in this reply - I just thought I'd explain the > situation so it would be made more clear. > > My fever is getting lower and lower everyday, so I'm trying really hard > to write in a coherent manner...is it working? well, i understood better this time > I really hope so :} > > Hope this is a better explanation karmafuzzz {I love typing that :} well, police wouldn't fit [aohell only allows 10 digits], and bacon would have sounded too much like a possible actual name. especially since i know a Karma Bacon. > To add some Robyn content to this - he told me he'd never make another > video again - and I don't blame him at all - "Storefront Hitchcock" seems > like an exploration of an artist - rather than a commercial... > > Oh - and thanks Eb for posting the Robyn and sex comment - a man who only > makes love without music and without frying eggs at the same time...then > I start to think about the concentration he must put into sex and then - > aaaaaaahhhhhhh - help me Susan!!!! i always prefer to scambled eggs during sex myself......... ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #291 *******************************