From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #286 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, July 25 1998 Volume 07 : Number 286 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Percy [nicastr@idt.net (Ben)] x-files [Thomas Rodebaugh ] [none] [domis@tfn.com] Re: the voice of a friend [kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander)] Numaniac Info Request [Jon Fetter ] Re: Percy [Terrence M Marks ] Re: nonl gigs [Eleanore Adams ] idunnoaboutyoubutifindthisfascinating [Eb ] Me, M.E., and i [Tom Clark ] Re: idunnoaboutyoubutifindthisfascinating [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: nonl gigs ["Marcy Tanter" ] Re: South Park/ Rock Stars Children [Chris ] Robert Fripp--some RH content ["Marcy Tanter" ] from randi - all is quiet in the hospital - hahaha [Tim Fuller ] Re: Wouldn't it be Nice ["Marcy Tanter" ] Re: Wouldn't it be Nice [nicastr@idt.net (Ben)] Re: Wouldn't it be Nice ["Daniel Barkhouse" ] O Canada.... [Eb ] Re: O Canada.... [Ross Overbury ] delete now or you'll be pretty sorry ["Capitalism Blows" I stumbled across a used "Percy" CD by the Kinks yesterday, at $8.99. Isn't >that the soundtrack to the movie based on the book of the same name by >Raymond Hitchcock? I saw no mention of Hitchcock Sr. in the film notes. > >Would this be a worthwhile purchase at $8.99 anyway? I notice it's got >"Lola" on it. Same version? Maybe the long lost "cherry cola" version? If you can find them, I would reccomend the new UK reissues on Castle. They have been given the whole remastered/liner notes/bonus tracks treatment. The series includes the first album up through "Percy", and should cost you about $15 new. They are worth the price! I believe the verson of "Lola" on "Percy" is an instrumental, and the "cherry cola" version is a bonus track on the "Lola" reissue. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:55:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Rodebaugh Subject: x-files re: possible robyn song in x-files-- i think they're probably talking about the james song (it's off of "laid."). i can only remember that song and a filter song being in that ep; i doubt that anyone would mistake robyn for filter! (well, maybe my dad, but i've known him to have trouble recognizing the beatles. . .) recognizably, tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:08:03 -0400 From: domis@tfn.com Subject: [none] Due to the fact that I only get the daily digests of this board (I tried subscribing ``live'', but I was getting so many messages so frequently that I had to back out), I wanted to de-lurk and drop in about two items ... First: Someone in the latest digest noted they heard Chinese Water Python on NPR the other day. They've used Hitchcock for those fancy little musical interludes before -- I was waking up to my radio alarm clock at some point last year when ``Heartful of Leaves'' materialized. Kinda blew my mind. Notice a lot of Michael Hedges, and occasional Leo Kottke as well. Anyone know how NPR chooses these little snippets? Is that someone's job? Can I get that job? And: Just picked up tix to see John Wesley Harding at the GAMH. He's opening for Tuatara, a band about which the only thing I know is that its purely instrumental and it is led by Peter Buck. Anyone know more? Also heard that GAMH just fired the person who for the last 15 years has been responsible for booking acts there. Hope this doesn't mean the high quality of gigs will deteriorate, as I just moved in a few blocks away from the spot and was hoping to take advantage of the great tunes there ... Olaf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:28:37 -0400 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: Re: the voice of a friend >> There is an X-files episode about a hick teenager who can summon >> lightning. The opening of the episode features a Robyn Hitchcock song, >> but I can't identify which one. Could someone tell me the title please? > >i think i would have noticed that, too. however, one online review of the >episode ("D.P.O.") mentioned a song called "Ring The Bells" playing during >the first murder scene; AMG lists songs by that name on albums by The >Kinks, James, and Epic Soundtracks. any one of those could conceivably be >mistaken for Robyn, i guess. that episode was just on and i remember the song from the beginning. it most definitely is james. the chorus goes: "got to keep awake to what is happening i can't see a thing through my ambitions i no longer feel like god is watching over me." KEN "trust no one" THE KENSTER ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:30:01 +0800 From: Jon Fetter Subject: Numaniac Info Request A while ago there was a Gary Numan thread going here, and I've recently spotted his "New Anger" for sale. Is this worth picking up as a first GN CD? If so, or wahtever, please contact me off list. Thanks, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:38:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Percy > I stumbled across a used "Percy" CD by the Kinks yesterday, at $8.99. Isn't > that the soundtrack to the movie based on the book of the same name by > Raymond Hitchcock? I saw no mention of Hitchcock Sr. in the film notes. Yes. Same "Percy". > Would this be a worthwhile purchase at $8.99 anyway? I notice it's got > "Lola" on it. Same version? Maybe the long lost "cherry cola" version? Nope. It's the we're-on-a-tight-schedule instrumental version. I think that "God's Children" and "Animals in a Zoo" are worth the price of admission, but you're fooling yourself if you think its on par with the rest of what The Kinks did from 1965-1970. Get it if a) you're a Kinks Completist b) you have money to burn and curiosity. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:38:15 +0000 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: nonl gigs luther wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 02:35:48 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > > >Look after yerselves... > > > >- -Ed, Doc, ...who remembers a time when A&E wasn't "The All Hitler Channel" > >and penny gums used to cost 10 cents... > > > >------------------------------ > I thought that was The History Channel... > A&E used to show nothing but "In search of..." reruns, "Repo Man", and > "the holy grail". > I had to chime in here. A & E plays Bill Kurtis productions and I am an addict. If there is a newsgroup about Bill Kurtis and his produced shows......I'll be there. Also Law and Order reruns and Columbo. No, they don't play Hitler tv, thats the history channel, WWII 24-7. Law and Order is on 3 times a day M-F. And on Sunday they have the mysteries show with Lenard Nemoy and Misteries of the Bible. (I am a big fan of A&E. I know I shouldn't watch that much tv, but Bill Kurtis is the best!) Elenaore > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:26:10 -0700 From: Eb Subject: idunnoaboutyoubutifindthisfascinating From MyLaunch.com: (7/23/98, 6 p.m. PDT) - There was a time back in 1994 that Epitaph Records owner Brett Gurewitz spoke enthusiastically about revolutionizing the music business. The small Los Angeles-based independent label had just scored a monster hit with the Offspring's Smash, which went on to sell more than 4 million units. Gurewitz told reporters that following the success of the Offspring, superstar rock acts would soon defect from the major labels and join Epitaph, which could pay the artists a higher royalty rate than the majors, since it operated more efficiently. That master plan never materialized. In fact, to some extent, the opposite happened. Epitaph's most successful act, the Offspring, defected to major label Columbia. The label did, however, score a victory of sorts when it kept its other marquee act, Rancid, from joining major label Epic. In the interim, however, Epitaph's owner Gurewitz found himself battling drug problems and handed over the day-to-day operation of the label to Andy Kaulkin, who was named president of the label. While Gurewitz's plan to revolutionize the music business may still be a pipe dream, Epitaph took a small step in making that dream a reality. The label announced that it has signed veteran singer-songwriter Tom Waits. Waits has never had huge commercial success in his 25-year career (he has yet to score a gold album), but he is a highly respected artist. His 1992 album Bone Machine earned him a Grammy Award. "Everybody loves an underdog and if they don't they're either no good or they've never been one," Gurewitz said in a statement. "Part of Tom's greatness lies in this fact. He's the patron saint of the heroic American loser and I love that about him. I'm speaking for all of us when I say that it will be a true honor to work with him." Waits is currently at work on new album in Northern California with guitarist Marc Ribot, bassist/ guitarist Larry Taylor, bassist Greg Cohen and drummer Steven Hodges, the same musicians that backed him on 1985's Rain Dogs and 1983's Swordfishtrombones. Primus is also expected to join Waits in the studio for the new album, tentatively set for an early 1999 release. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 98 16:25:40 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Me, M.E., and i On 7/24/98 9:43 AM, Russ Reynolds wrote: >PS for Bay Area Fegs--yesterday's cupertino feglunch was a success. Mark >brought gifts, we laughed and drank and talked about Tom Clark behind his >back. And true to list form, we barely mentioned Robyn Hitchcock. I wish I could have been there - I love talking about me behind my back! Found an old review of Moss Elixir on the web: http://www.ucalgary.ca/UofC/students/VOX/Albums/hitchcock.htm interesting quote: "...with Moss Elixir this songwriter stands to make the great leap from being his generation's Syd Barrett to it's Dylan." - -tc P.S. We officially finished iMac yesterday and got REALLY drunk last night. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:03:53 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: idunnoaboutyoubutifindthisfascinating In a message dated 98-07-24 18:26:53 EDT, you write: << While Gurewitz's plan to revolutionize the music business may still be a pipe dream, Epitaph took a small step in making that dream a reality. The label announced that it has signed veteran singer-songwriter Tom Waits. Waits has never had huge commercial success in his 25-year career (he has yet to score a gold album), but he is a highly respected artist. His 1992 album Bone Machine earned him a Grammy Award. >> Wow, that *is* cool! Way to go, Tom. I'm completely amazed that none of his albums have gone gold. They sell so strongly . . . c'mon, 100,00 copies of "Rain Dogs?!" That must have happened by now. I'm also surprised to see that "Bone Machine" (glorious, glorious "Bone Machine") won a Grammy. What fer, huh? - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:59:33 -0400 From: "Marcy Tanter" Subject: Re: nonl gigs >. Also Law and Order reruns and Columbo. No, they don't play Hitler tv, >thats the history channel, WWII 24-7. WWII?? They're always playing friggin' Civil War sh-t when I tune in. That's why I don't watch it. I am soooooo sick of the damn Civil War. It wasn't civil, it wasn't much of a war and IT"S OVER. But that's another story...!! I love A&E, too. America's Castles is fun, Law and Order is one of the best shows ever, they show lots of Miss Marple and other British shows. At times it is dull, but then so is everything. Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:28:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: South Park/ Rock Stars Children >With the addition of the soon to be forgotten Rufus Wainwright I'm >wondering if you could help me list all the people who've pursued >a career in rock/pop/folk who were children of a rock/pop star. I don't >want country or jazz or film parentage, only rock/pop/folk. >Child Parent >??? Wilson ??? Wilson Brian Wilson Carnie and Wendy Wilson I also heard that one of Carl Wilson's sons was in a band in LA with one of Dennis Wilsons sons. Cant' remember the name of the band though. Rick Nelson Nelson twins Mike Nesmith - I don't know his sons name, but he's in Nancyboy with Donvan's son, at least he was in 1996 As for South Park.... >I read >TIME, Newsweek, Rolling Stone articles on the programme, but have to >confess that I have not seen much other than a Web clip of one of the >show's eight-year-old characters drop-kicking a baby. Don't rely on their opinion to form yours. Check out the show, and decide for yourself. It gets scary when opinions are based not on hearing or seeing something, but only from other people's interpretations of whether something is or is not valid. >Between that and >DVDA, I can't say that I'm motivated towards it. What is going on in our >culture that this sort of thing is as wildly popular as it is? Well, most teenagers seem go through a phase where they love humor referring to bodily functions or swear words, of which there is alot in SOuth Park. Also anytime you want kids to like something, just try to ban it or tell them they shouldn't watch it because it's bad for them. >And nail >me for being anal if you like, but it's my feeling that something has >happened within the popular culture within the past ten years or so that >makes events like the Jonesboro episode almost understandable... Popular culture is often a reflection of society. It seems that it's more a lack of parental responsibility to make sure kids grow up with a sense of responsibility for their own actions, as well as a knowledge of right from wrong. I happen to like South Park, although it's extremely hit and miss. But if I had a young kid, I wouldn't let them watch it. And any kid who would be allowed to get away with the stuff the South Park kids say to their parents, has more serious problems than the fact that he's watching the tv show. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:31:56 -0400 From: "Marcy Tanter" Subject: Robert Fripp--some RH content My husband, Alex, has recently gotten into King Crimson/Fripp and today he found a web site--I have no idea what it's called or anything--and it seems that Fripp actually reads what fans post to a newsgroup (or could be a listserv) and then responds to a lot of it. wouldn't it be cool if Robyn did that? Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:54:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Fuller Subject: from randi - all is quiet in the hospital - hahaha Okay, Firstly, please excuse my spelling/grammatical errors - I have 103 temperature and lots of painkillers running through my body. Eb - thank you thank you thank you for all the "Of Montreal" info - and for posting the review - very kind of you indeed...much appreciated...very thoughtful of you :} And you too Ken - thanks for the *Of Montreal* information as well :} And Eb, I so totally agree with your choice of precious Canadian bands to mention - right on the money :} I detest the Tragically Hip, went to school with The Barenaked Ladies {which for me - makes them even more hatable 'cause they were always such jerks - you should only have heard their *early* stuff - yuck!} Quick funny story - the Barenaked Ladies were supposed to do a free concert at city hall and our Toronto mayor didn't "get" the name of the band, and banned them from playing - after much laughter by all T.O. media - the mayor made a formal apology - sheesh! Crash Test Dummies were okay on album number one - but after that - see ya later - imho of course... Jane Sibbery drives me nuts - ever since I heard "Mimi on the Beach" - but - - she, as a person - is actually very sweet. Now, Sarah McLachlan - I've produced several videos for her. She was much more interesting - again imho - on her first album - now she has the view - "will doing this put money in my bank account or not," and that's how she makes her decisions...sad really... People always say I look just like her - we'd get our makeup and hair done the same way for shoot days just to be goofy - I really did have lots of respect fror her... I am proud to say that the company I work for has decided to blacklist Sarah - and we will absolutely never do another video for her - for damn good reasons I won't get into here. And "Rush" - they went to Tim's (my ghostwriter) high school. I called him Tim asked him about the part on 2112 when the singer "finds" the guitar - Tim played it for me on the phone - ... Tim said "ya gotta go with the concept" I said - "turn that stuff off or I'm hanging up" ;} **just try to go with the concept...so *not* going to happen.** I would add *Our Lady Peace* to the precious list - and add *Sloan* to the cool list - but again - just mho. And Bayard - you've heard of Shadowy Men on a Shadowy Planet! How cool! They were one of my first interviews ever - very polite and quiet and talented people - how on earth have you heard of them? I haven't thought of them in ages - though I know they still are in Toronto. Okay, my comments are over - next please - fading back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, Rand p.s. Bayard - if you want a copy of the print interview Tim did with Shadowy Men - since mine was for tv - let us know - Tim will send it to you :} *what scares you most will set you free* - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:59:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Wouldn't it be Nice Marcy gavayoot: >Fripp actually reads what fans post to a newsgroup (or could be a >listserv) and then responds to a lot of it. wouldn't it be cool if Robyn >did that? I vote "no". We don't have a lot of questions about Robyn that he would/could answer plainly. We'd probably talk less about other things and be less likely to casually post scathing opinions of the worse part of his catalogue. I'm on the mailing list for "Kevin & Kell" (an online comic strip) and what keeps it from really being interesting is the fact that the author is online and reads everything. 90% of that list is "Boy, today's is good. I wonder what'll happen tomorrow"; very little in terms of discussions of the strip as a whole goes on. I'd rather not see that happen here. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:36:20 -0400 From: "Marcy Tanter" Subject: Re: Wouldn't it be Nice >I vote "no". >We don't have a lot of questions about Robyn that he would/could answer >plainly. We'd probably talk less about other things and be less likely to >casually post scathing opinions of the worse part of his catalogue. > >I'm on the mailing list for "Kevin & Kell" (an online comic strip) and >what keeps it from really being interesting is the fact that the author is >online and reads everything. 90% of that list is "Boy, today's is good. >I wonder what'll happen tomorrow"; very little in terms of discussions of >the strip as a whole goes on. I'd rather not see that happen here. I just read a bunch of the Fripp stuff (it's a listserv called Elephant Talk) and it's nothing like what Terrence describes on his listserv. There's lots of backandforth and no one holds back. It's pretty neat. I'd like to see how Robyn responds to some of the stuff that's said here--not necessarily questions but comments in general. My opinions or statements wouldn't change just because Robyn might know about them--he knows what goes on here anyway and I don't think that changes things. Squeeze's management keeps tabs on the official listserv/web page and they keep print-outs of what people say when it's useful to the band. Chris Difford has an email address that he gives out to fans and, although he has about 600 people writing at the moment, he tries to respond to people when they email him. It's fun to be interactive with an artist who interests you. Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:56:20 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: Wouldn't it be Nice >>I vote "no". >>We don't have a lot of questions about Robyn that he would/could answer >>plainly. We'd probably talk less about other things and be less likely to >>casually post scathing opinions of the worse part of his catalogue. >> >>I'm on the mailing list for "Kevin & Kell" (an online comic strip) and >>what keeps it from really being interesting is the fact that the author is >>online and reads everything. 90% of that list is "Boy, today's is good. >>I wonder what'll happen tomorrow"; very little in terms of discussions of >>the strip as a whole goes on. I'd rather not see that happen here. > > >I just read a bunch of the Fripp stuff (it's a listserv called Elephant >Talk) and it's nothing like what Terrence describes on his listserv. >There's lots of backandforth and no one holds back. It's pretty neat. I'd >like to see how Robyn responds to some of the stuff that's said here--not >necessarily questions but comments in general. My opinions or statements >wouldn't change just because Robyn might know about them--he knows what goes >on here anyway and I don't think that changes things. Squeeze's management >keeps tabs on the official listserv/web page and they keep print-outs of >what people say when it's useful to the band. Chris Difford has an email >address that he gives out to fans and, although he has about 600 people >writing at the moment, he tries to respond to people when they email him. >It's fun to be interactive with an artist who interests you. > >Marcy I wonder if they ever tried to kick Fripp off the list for flaming people... :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:58:45 PDT From: "Daniel Barkhouse" Subject: Re: Wouldn't it be Nice > >I wonder if they ever tried to kick Fripp off the list for flaming people... :) > > > For all anybody knows, Robyn is on the list under a pseudonym. Hell, maybe he's Eb. Maybe he loves the dead! Or just maybe he has more productive ways to spend his time... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:57:42 -0700 From: Eb Subject: O Canada.... Randi: >Jane Sibbery [sic] drives me nuts - ever since I heard "Mimi on the Beach" >- but >- she, as a person - is actually very sweet. I actually have LIKED Jane Siberry's music, ever since I heard "Mimi on the Beach" (and the surrounding album). But the thing that keeps me from liking her music a LOT is that pesky preciousness. When I Was a Boy is still a damn good album, though. Trivia, which I'm sure will fascinate EVERYONE here (ha): Siberry's No Borders Here was the first "freebie" I ever received, back when it was brand-new. Wooooo. >I am proud to say that the company I work for has decided to blacklist >Sarah - and we will absolutely never do another video for her - for damn >good reasons I won't get into here. Aw, come on. TELL! >I would add *Our Lady Peace* to the precious list. Precious? A dreadfully bad band, but "precious" would not be one of my criticisms of them. Incidentally, I can't believe I left Shawn Colvin off my initial "precious" list. My apologies. And Randi, I think LOTS of people have heard of Shadowy Men on a Shadowy Planet, just because of the Kids in the Hall connection. Ben: >I wonder if they ever tried to kick Fripp off the list for flaming >people... :) Nope, they never even tried to kick ME off. ;) With Bobby the fashion plate of The Happenings, Tom is notable for his eye-shattering collection of red Bermuda shorts. Eb np: Money Mark/Push the Button ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 98 9:04:27 EDT From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: O Canada.... > > Randi: > >Jane Sibbery [sic] drives me nuts - ever since I heard "Mimi on the Beach" > >- but > >- she, as a person - is actually very sweet. > > I actually have LIKED Jane Siberry's music, ever since I heard "Mimi on the > Beach" (and the surrounding album). But the thing that keeps me from liking > her music a LOT is that pesky preciousness. When I Was a Boy is still a > damn good album, though. Trivia, which I'm sure will fascinate EVERYONE > here (ha): Siberry's No Borders Here was the first "freebie" I ever > received, back when it was brand-new. Wooooo. Now why didn't I think of her during the "good annoying/bad annoying" thread? I've got two of hers. Good annoying, mostly. - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 12:03:05 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: delete now or you'll be pretty sorry ok. how about, to the extent that a society is less democratic, it is more fascist. in other words, to the extent that people have less input into basic decisions that effect them (including, obviously, economic decisions,) it is more fascist. for what it's worth, under this definition, the united states tends pretty heavily toward the fascist end. it's not all the way over, of course. so long as you're rich, white, and male, you're pretty much allowed to say whatever you want without getting your brains bashed in (although this is *not* the case in our imperial domains, as we know.) and that's fine, as far as it goes. jeme, quite some time ago, you said you thought that i should be glad to live in a society in which i am allowed to voice my opinion. and i am. but as i see it, what that *really* means is that i've got a greater *responsibility* to speak up. how were they spreading revolution in any of these places?? you're right, terry. it *is* beyond your area of expertise. i mean, would it *kill* you guys to get your facts straight? fucking russia *openly* supported the kmt for christ's sake! why? i think it might be more accurate to say that i presuppose socialism and leftism to be good because i think we can all pretty much tell right from wrong. (which is, in my opinion, why all religions say basically the same thing.) socialism conforms quite closely with our own internal code of ethics, while capitalism does quite the opposite. chris, you yourself admitted that the soviet union was fascist, so i don't really understand where you're coming from here. to suggest that the soviet union was *ever* anything even remotely resembling socialist is...mind-boggingly ignorant. sorry to be so blunt about it. but, christ, it's not like scathing critiques, from the left, of the soviet union under *lenin* --*before* kronstadt, even-- never mind all the horrors that came after, haven't been widely available for a long time. don't know much about david koresh. but i *would* suggest that, even if he *professed* to be christian, if he didn't really *act* like one, then it's kind of silly to say that he was one. yes, the soviet union *called* itself socialist. but the united states *calls* itself democratic, and nobody actually believes that. so why should we believe the soviet union was socialist just because it professed to be? it looks like you're actually agreeing with me. i think though, that what you thought i meant by "timid" was an unwillingness to repress the domestic population. but what i actually meant was an unwillingness to press forward with the VERY real revolutionary tides of a majority of the people of europe and asia. as i mentioned, the soviet union played a significant role in snuffing these tides. if that seems counterintuitive, then, fine. but i posted a pretty long list of books before, most of which are thouroughly footnoted. maybe check some of them out. first of all, i would date the cold war from the russian revolution. that is to say, from the time that russia took it upon itself to eschew the global economy. and yes, you're right, we "opposed" communism. but we opposed it for a *reason*. viz., communist countries were attempting *independent* methods of development/economic organization. i'll ask it again: does anybody *really* believe a bunch of vietnamese peasants were going to get in their fucking rowboats and come over here and land in san francisco? (and note that the state department, in attempting to prove the opposite, actually found that vietnam was the one country without *any* soviet or chinese influence.) if all they wanted to do was *remove* themselves from the u.s.-run global economy, then why slaughter three million of them? and why, after we had completely destroyed their society by 1965, and after the *real* "domino" (indonesia) had already been subdued, did we pour it on for eight more years? the only answer i can see is, to teach them (and anybody else who might have similar feelings) a lesson: DON'T FUCK WITH OUR PROFITS. and where were the communists in the spanish-american war? where were the communists in the *civil* war? where were the communists in the opium war? where were the communists when the french seized danang in the 18th century? or during the british raj? or the first time we invaded nicaragua? now, this time i ABSOLUTELY promise not to post any more on this topic. cross my fingersimean cross my *heart.* (in other words, flame away, cousins! the last words will be all yours. and chirs and terry, i hope you haven't taken anything i've said personally. i think you're both great guys, and look forward to meeting you when i follow robyn on tour. honest.) "Rock music will never die. Don't try to shatter it." --Wesley Willis ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #286 *******************************