From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #280 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, July 18 1998 Volume 07 : Number 280 Today's Subjects: ----------------- "Electronica" and artist of the nineties [Tobyhello@aol.com] Artist of the Decade ["Paul Montagne" ] rock guy's sons [dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich)] Folk stars' children ["J. Katherine Rossner" ] artist of the decade [Russ Reynolds ] Re: Artist of the Decade [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Artists [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Artists [Aaron Mandel ] Re: Reasons for not posting [KarmaFuzzz@aol.com] Re: Rock Stars Children [Terrence M Marks ] Re: zombies PS [Terrence M Marks ] Re: Rock Stars Children [Terrence M Marks ] Re: Rock Stars Children [BC-Radio@corecom.net (Brett Cooper)] Re: Rock Stars Children [Terrence M Marks ] Re: Artist of the Decade [KarmaFuzzz@aol.com] Re: Artists [KarmaFuzzz@aol.com] Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #276 [Karen Reichstein ] Re: From here to Puget Sound ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: the problem with horticulture ["Capitalism Blows" Subject: Artist of the Decade Michael wrote: What about other decades? They *seem* a little more obvious to me, but maybe not. 50's -> Elvis. 60's = Beatles. 70's. . . hmmm. . . Zeppelin or Floyd? I'd go with Zeppelin; they transcended more categories and were a lot closer to the hard rock sound that the 70's were all about. 80's? Gonna go with U2. Madonna would have to be a contender, except she wasn't around from 80-83. U2, on the other hand, had "really important" albums in both halves of the 80's -- '83's "War" and 87's "Joshua Tree." I hate 'em now, but they were so cool back then. I agree that its easier to label "Artist of the Decade" back in the '50s and '60s. I think it takes twenty years or so for the smoke to to blow over so that an artists body of work can be examined objectively (if that's possible). Its impossibl;e for me to dterermine which music will really have staying power and will still sound fresh ten years from now. But I have to call you on U2 as the 80's Artist of the Decade. My vote definately goes with his purpleness The Artist Who In The 80's Was Still Known as Prince. That man kicked butt that decade and his influences were huge across many genres. Nobody would have placed more albums in a top ten list for that decade for me anyway.... Bringing up a recent thread about progressive rock in the 70's, in the last ten years or so, I truly realized that Genesis's early works like "The Lamb" or "Selling England.." have a certain longevity beyond that of Yes's said masterpeice (Fragile) or CLose TO THe Edge, or ELP's first or "Brain Salad Surgery" or even Tull's Aqualung. But I cant say that was true in the early 80's when all of those albums began gathering dust in my collection (And man I had ALL of that stuff, still do), they were all "boring pablum" to me at that point, as I put on the dB's or REM for the millionth time. But now as ye fegs bring up the virtues of Yes or Tull, I go back and spin Karn Evil 9 one more time to hear Greg Lake sing "Welcome Back My Friends..." and man it sounds really BAAADDD. I dont know why but i just can't go there. I have been enjoying the old Genesis though, its fun to listen to that stuff again once in awhile, even if my wife has to leave the house when I do so.... np: Pernice Brothers - Overcome By Happiness ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:08:33 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: rock guy's sons On Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:35:59 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >> >> Jakob Dylan Bob Dylan >> Sean Lennon John Lennon >> Julian Lennon "" >> Rufus Wainwright Loudon Wainwright III >> Jeff Buckley Tim Buckley >> Chynna Phillips John Phillips >> ??? Wilson ??? Wilson >> Derek Trucks Butch Trucks >> Jason Bonham John Bonham > >Some others off the top of my head: > Arlo Guthrie Woody Guthrie > The Nelson twins Rick Nelson > Teddy Thompson Richard Thompson (you knew that was coming from me....:-)) -luther ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:20:02 -0700 From: "J. Katherine Rossner" Subject: Folk stars' children Libba Cotten and her granddaughter? According some recent postings on the Canadian-folk mailing list, Stan Rogers' son Nathan seems to be getting started in performing. John Wesley Harding does have a song in which he claims to be the bastard son of Dylan and Baez, but so far as I know that's not meant to be taken literally. :) And now for a minor peeve: >From: Rich Plumb >Rufus Wainwright Loudon Wainwright III >From: dmw >liza carthy - martin carthy Rufus Wainwright, is the son of Loudon Wainwright III AND KATE MCGARRIGLE. Liza Carthy is the daughter of Martin Carthy AND NORMA WATERSON. (For the non-folkies, whom I don't expect to know this: Kate & Anna McGarrigle and the Watersons are both excellent and far-from-unknown folk acts...) >it seems to me that there are other trad/folk type acts in the carthy vein >that are multi-generational, but i can't dredge any up just at the moment. >maybe they don't count as "rock stars" anyway. They don't, but the query included folk. I think there are others, too, but am drawing a blank. (What about a thread on siblings as separate groups/acts? Clannad and Enya, Stan and Garnet Rogers, Mikhail o Dhomhnaill and Triona ni Dhomhnaill...) Katherine - -- Ye knowe ek, that in forme of speche is chaunge Withinne a thousand yere, and wordes tho That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge Us thinketh hem, and yit they spake hem so. - Chaucer, "Troilus and Criseyde" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 98 15:23:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: artist of the decade I think the reason it's harder to name "Artist of the Decade" for the more recent decades is because we haven't had time to fully digest the more recent ones yet. Ask us again in 20 years. If you define "Artist of the Decade" as the one popular recording artist most synonymous with that decade I'm guessing we'll respond this way: '50s-Elvis '60s-Beatles '70s-Bee Gees '80s-Michael Jackson '90s-Big Rubber Shark - -russ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:23:06 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Artist of the Decade In a message dated 98-07-17 17:55:43 EDT, you write: << But I have to call you on U2 as the 80's Artist of the Decade. My vote definately goes with his purpleness The Artist Who In The 80's Was Still Known as Prince. That man kicked butt that decade and his influences were huge across many genres. Nobody would have placed more albums in a top ten list for that decade for me anyway.... >> Prince is a big favorite of mine, too -- at least from about half of "Prince" through about half of "Lovesexy." Let's see. He certainly is a recognizable pop icon. And he *did* chart a lot of material during that decade. And then there's the two movies! And there's also the obligatory one huge sensation of an album, "Purple Rain." As Paul pointed out, he covered an amazing amount of musical ground, appealing to the pop, R&B and dance ("Erotic City") markets. You're right, Paul, he does meet a lot of the (my) criteria! But you're also right that the passing of time does put things in their proper perspective. Currently, the profiles for a lot of the 80's bands/artists we're discussing might be suffering from dips into mediocrity during this decade (I have a hrd time with U2 in that respect). We might have to get over these associations of shrugging disapppointment before we can look back on the heydays of these acts and really appreciate them. . . possibly even totally ignoring the less interesting material of later years (as I tend to do with the Kinks -- "Great band; shame they all died in that horrible skiing accident back in 1971"). And, of course, the 90's are still happening! Very hard to determine who's the supreme overlord of a decade that ain't even over yet. . . - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:36:04 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Artists In a message dated 98-07-17 16:53:41 EDT, Eb did writ: << Tori Amos, Artist of the '90s? Please. >> No, even though I brought it up, I really couldn't endorse her for the "award." But she is one of only a few artists/bands that I've enjoyed at both ends of this decade and who I see as maintaining a really strong following and who continues to get played on the radio, album after album. Even still, to choose her would be to do so by default. Sorry, Tori. - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 02:15:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Artists On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Eb wrote: > np: Possum Dixon/New Sheets (and Ken, you sneered about my occasional "now > dismissing" lists without considering all the "np" lines I submit, which > are almost 100% recommendations...) is this one? i thought the first album was promising and the second, sure enough, outstanding. on New Sheets the vocalist has lost his yelp and the synths have lost their sting. artist of the 80s: Michael Jackson? come on, there have been fashion plate pop-stars for a long time; just because this one is a lunatic doesn't make him the soul of an era. a ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 03:59:00 EDT From: KarmaFuzzz@aol.com Subject: Re: Reasons for not posting In a message dated 98-07-17 03:39:33 EDT, stewart@ref.collins.co.uk writes: > >>>>> "Mark" == Mark Gloster writes: > >> South Park > Mark> It is hard to imagine anything like that ever getting on tv. > It's on good old plain TV here. We may be a messed-up little set of > islands, but we know good teev when we see it. Then explain the popularity of Baywatch in the UK? or Benny Hill? :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 04:07:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Rock Stars Children > > With the addition of the soon to be forgotten Rufus Wainwright I'm > > wondering if you could help me list all the people who've pursued > > a career in rock/pop/folk who were children of a rock/pop star. I don't > > want country or jazz or film parentage, only rock/pop/folk. > > > > Child Parent > > > > Jakob Dylan Bob Dylan > > Sean Lennon John Lennon > > Julian Lennon "" > > Rufus Wainwright Loudon Wainwright III > > Jeff Buckley Tim Buckley > > Chynna Phillips John Phillips > > ??? Wilson ??? Wilson > > Derek Trucks Butch Trucks > > Jason Bonham John Bonham > > Some others off the top of my head: > Arlo Guthrie Woody Guthrie > The Nelson twins Rick Nelson Hank Williams Hank Williams jr. And I don't recall Miss Wilson's first name, but her father is Brian. I wonder if anyone's ever bought Robyn's albums because they'd liked Raymond Hitchcock's work. (Or because they liked The Kinks' soundtrack to Raymond H's "Percy") Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 04:09:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: zombies PS On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Russ Reynolds wrote: > Sorry for flogging a dead thread but I thought of another Argent tune that > became a minor hit, albeit for 3 Dog Night..."Liar" > Are there any original 3 Dog Night hits? (I mean, there's Harry Nilsson's "One", Randy Newman's "Momma Told Me Not To Come", Laura Nyro's "Eli's Coming"...) Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 04:16:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Rock Stars Children Zak Nilsson is (in?) Xaqtly Music. Matt Jardine tours with the Beach Boys. Randy California gets partial credit for having stepdad Ed Cassidy. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:29:04 -0900 From: BC-Radio@corecom.net (Brett Cooper) Subject: Re: Rock Stars Children >Zak Nilsson is (in?) Xaqtly Music. Matt Jardine tours with the Beach >Boys. Randy California gets partial credit for having stepdad Ed Cassidy. Didn't Randy California die in Hawaii last year? Is this the same one who wrote "I Got a Line On You"? Brett ************************************************************** Cooper Collections P.O. Box 876462 Wasilla, Alaska 99687 (907) 376-4520 BC-Radio@corecom.net http://www.corecom.net/~no6pp/Cooper_Collections.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 05:08:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Rock Stars Children > >Zak Nilsson is (in?) Xaqtly Music. Matt Jardine tours with the Beach > >Boys. Randy California gets partial credit for having stepdad Ed Cassidy. > > Didn't Randy California die in Hawaii last year? Is this the same one who > wrote "I Got a Line On You"? > Drowned in Hawaii after rescuing his son. Same Randy California. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 06:41:38 EDT From: KarmaFuzzz@aol.com Subject: Re: Artist of the Decade In a message dated 98-07-17 18:24:38 EDT, MARKEEFE@aol.com writes: > Currently, the profiles for a lot of the 80's bands/artists > we're discussing might be suffering from dips into mediocrity during this > decade (I have a hrd time with U2 in that respect). funny, i've always thought U2 only got good after Eno showed up. and, as Pop proved, returned to relentless mediocrity after Eno left as well..... but, in the end Prince probably will go down as the preeminant artist of the 80's, though madonna will end up being the most dominant individual cultural influence. (a simular division to the 50's, where it's a tie between Little Richard and Buddy Holly for the first slot, Elvis in the second). > We might have to get over > these associations of shrugging disapppointment before we can look back on > the heydays of these acts and really appreciate them. . . possibly even totally > ignoring the less interesting material of later years (as I tend to do with > the Kinks -- "Great band; shame they all died in that horrible skiing > accident back in 1971"). Shame about that bizarre tractor accident that got Morrissey in the late spring or 1989, right after "The Last of the Famous International Playboys" came out.......... > And, of course, the 90's are still happening! Very hard to determine > who's the supreme overlord of a decade that ain't even over yet. . . face it, it's gotta be Puff Daddy. now, let us retch (even if he gave Tommy Stinson a couple days work)...... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 06:41:49 EDT From: KarmaFuzzz@aol.com Subject: Re: Artists In a message dated 98-07-18 02:17:58 EDT, aaron@eecs.harvard.edu writes: > artist of the 80s: Michael Jackson? come on, there have been fashion plate > pop-stars for a long time; just because this one is a lunatic doesn't make > him the soul of an era. well, considering the era...... Wacko Jacko is out though, just because all his good singles (the ones when he still couldn't vote) were released prior to the decade in question....... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 98 10:14:53 -0800 From: Karen Reichstein Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #276 Hello! The new Tim Keegan and the Homer Lounge (? I still want to call them Homer) single, "Disconnected," is indeed out, according to the Homer web page. You can get it through Blue Rose Records, based in London.(www.bluerose.com) I sent away for it last week, but I live in the States, so these things take a while. Karen >Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:15:49 EDT >From: Tobyhello@aol.com >Subject: Tim Keegan etc > >I've been offline for a couple of weeks, so I don't know if the following >have >been discussed: > >1) Is the new Homer single out yet? A friend of mine had a letter from the >record company urging her to buy it a couple of weeks ago, but I've yet to >see >it... > >2) Has Robyn announced any UK gigs? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:11:18 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: From here to Puget Sound no, what happened was, when i got down there and kind of sized up the row, i noticed paul was missing, and asked where he was? carole said that he was the opening act. i'm pretty gullbile, as you are all well aware, and actually believed that. then when ben got out there, i was thinking, "damn, this isn't anything what i remember paul having looked like at bumbershoot last year." but then jonesie explained to me that it had all been clever skullduggery on carole's part. the "between song banter" was pretty good. he was *really* pissed off about the hissing monitor, and kept telling the sound folk to either fix it or turn it off, but they never did neither. which i thought was pretty humorous. lobstie already posted it once, and it's maintained on House Of Figgy. yeah. Insanely Jealous and Only the Stones both nights. Queen of Eyes in seattle. doubt it. he played three songs in the encore: a cover, Viva Sea-Tac, and Beautiful Girl, then came back out and did Trains. the seattle encore was: a cover, Viva Sea-Tac, and Beautiful Girl, then he came back out and did Queen of Eyes. yes, it was awfully short. which seems to be the norm these days, the ram's head gig being the exception. yes, this, coupled with the flying camaro story...you've had some pretty amazing experiences on the old interstate five! and let me use the pisser, for which, thanks. and showed us his brand new horn. but failed to tell us the name of his cat. three words: LEFT BANK BOOKS!!! actually, the market is ok. we got some "rhythm sticks" there once, but never really used them. you know, it's funny. has anyone else noticed that, it seems like the shows that sound the best in person sound the worst on tape, and vice versa? well, he was just not talkative at all in seattle. i think that's a pattern that you can sorta generalize about: he seems to be heavily story-ified every-other night. first of all, didn't renee the paleontologist insist that it's spelled "trilobite"? or do i got it backwards? second, and i've always refrained from posting this, because it's just kind of lame and stupid. but since you bring it up, that story's constructed incorrectly. trilobite is the name of the species, not the name of an individual *member* of the species. so to say that it would be like them unearthing lars' bones in a couple million years and calling him sven isn't right. doesn't really matter. it'd be easy enough for him to change it so that it were correct. and we can still understand it and get a kick out of it as-is. but there you are. no, trust me. this was one of the funniest and coolest stories i'd ever heard! and i did *not* even see the punchline coming. and i had no idea jeme was so adroit in *physical* comedy. and to think, i unwittingly set the whole thing off. i noticed that cynthia and chris looked pretty sleepy, and just casually mentioned that a friend and i always used to like to rearrange the furniture whenever the host fell asleep. this led to jeme's telling of the best prank he knew of, and this to his telling of all pranks in his hometown now being attributed to him. i just wished i'd taped the whole thing. "Rock music will never die. Don't try to shatter it." --Wesley Willis ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:36:26 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: the problem with horticulture ok, you're all pretty lucky that i'm in a hurry right now. but let me just say that the State Department said as early as 1937 that war with japan was inevitable. why? basically, they weren't doing what we were telling them to do. when we supplied the oil for their invasion of manchuria, it was with the understanding that we'd share equally in their imperial looting. japan was more into creating a monroe doctrine for southeast asia than sharing the spoils. they did, however, offer the u.s. free access to southeast asian "markets" in turn for free access to "our" latin american "markets." we refused, and the course toward war was pretty much set in stone. to say that pearl harbor *caused* the war in the pacific would be like saying that, uh, i dunno...that punk was caused by green day, or something. and no, i'm not blaming the u.s. for the war in the pacific. it's the system. but let's call a spade a spade, shall we? we (and the british and the french too, of course) never wanted to play by our own rules. and when the germans and japanese *did* want to do so, it led to, um, disagreements. oh god, that would be sssssssoooo fucking killer! to see robyn in a South Park episode, it'd be like i'd died and gone to heaven! i actually saw that episode! it was hilarious. of course, they had to cut to a commercial really quick when things started getting a little hot and heavy, but it was still damned funny. by the way, where did you get that list from, eb? those were all just funnier than shit, but i'm wondering how many he actually said, and how many are myth. <(Jeme's right. I actually am much better via email than in person. That's got to be pretty frightening to somebody.)> not a bit of it! mark is MUCH better in person. he's about the funniest person you will ever meet. ever been to Ham Heaven? i was bumming around downtown detroit once, and when i saw the place, i had to pinch myself, for fear that i was only just dreaming. or that it was a mirage, it having been a good 145 degrees outside. but it turned out to be neither, so i took a picture of the marquee, then went inside and tried to order a ham-flavored soda. (and as much as i wished i'd invented the concept of ham-flavored soda, i have to confess that i'd learnt it from david letterman.) the waitress was *unbelievably* apologetic in telling me that they didn't have any. i honestly thought she was going to start crying. i said here many months ago that i think mr. garrison is perhaps the greatest tv character ever created. i mean, you've just GOT to love a man with no u2 rekkids!!! incidentally, i wasn't really looking for it, but i spied the rufus platter used, and went ahead and bought it. i don't think his voice is annoying. but the record is kind of boring, isn't it? maybe it'll grow on me. but don't worry eb. after the neutral milk hotel recommend, i could buy 665 eb-endorsed clunkers, and you'd still be on the positive side of the ledger. "Rock music will never die. Don't try to shatter it." --Wesley Willis ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:36:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: the problem with horticulture On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, Capitalism Blows wrote: > access to "our" latin american "markets." we refused, and the course > toward war was pretty much set in stone. to say that pearl harbor > *caused* the war in the pacific would be like saying that, uh, i > dunno...that punk was caused by green day, or something. and no, i'm Agreed that the War in the Pacific wasn't caused by the bombing of Pearl Harbor (mainly because the WitP started years before then.) I'm of the opinion that looking for individual reasons for each country's involvement in a war is more important than looking for underlying events and assumptions that led to the war. The bombing of Pearl Harbor caused direct American involvement in WWII. There was no other realistic choice that the US gov't could have taken. American racism towards the Japanese, American umbrage at Japanese trade policy, etc. are all factors which may have, in other circumstances, led to a war. However, to list them as important causes is inaccurate in thi case. > not blaming the u.s. for the war in the pacific. it's the system. but > let's call a spade a spade, shall we? we (and the british and the > french too, of course) never wanted to play by our own rules. and when > the germans and japanese *did* want to do so, it led to, um, > disagreements. Support this statement, would you? Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #280 *******************************