From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #279 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, July 17 1998 Volume 07 : Number 279 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Artist of the 90's [Terrence M Marks ] Re: Re: Artist of the 90's [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re:Essaymaniax [Marc Holden ] Rock Stars Children [Rich Plumb ] Re: boom boom boom [Eleanore Adams ] Re: South Park/Reasons for not posting [Eleanore Adams ] Re: Rock Stars Children [Mike Runion ] Re: Artist of the 90's [Tom Clark ] Re: boom boom boom [amadain ] zombies PS [Russ Reynolds ] Re: Rock Stars Children [amadain ] Re: Artist of the 90's [amadain ] Re: Rock Stars Children [Russ Reynolds ] Colin Blunstone [HSatterfld@aol.com] Re: Artist of the 90's [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Rock Stars Children [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Rock Stars Children [dmw ] Re: Artist of the 90's [amadain ] Re: Artists [Eb ] Re: Artists [BC-Radio@corecom.net (Brett Cooper)] Re: Revelling in evil (also long and also probably boring :)) [amadain Subject: Re: Artist of the 90's > What about other decades? They *seem* a little more obvious to me, but > maybe not. 50's -> Elvis. 60's = Beatles. 70's. . . hmmm. . . Zeppelin or > Floyd? I'd go with Zeppelin; they transcended more categories and were a lot > closer to the hard rock sound that the 70's were all about. 80's? Gonna go > with U2. Madonna would have to be a contender, except she wasn't around from > 80-83. U2, on the other hand, had "really important" albums in both halves of > the 80's -- '83's "War" and 87's "Joshua Tree." I hate 'em now, but they were > so cool back then. I'm tempted to opt for Phil Spector over The Beatles. I can't think of anything to back that statement up, though. And is Michael Jackson in the running for "Rock/Pop Artist of the 80s" or is he the top contender for "Rhythm and Blues Artist of the 80s"? Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:49:10 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Artist of the 90's In a message dated 7/17/98 8:38:32 AM, you wrote: <> I'd definitely put him in the Top 5, but, I don't know, he'd already grown tiresome and clownish by the end of the decade. Plus, I think his merits for contention would ride too heavily on one single album ("Thriller"), whereas U2 had several albums that enjoyed critical and/or popular success. I think Michael Jackson was an amazingly popular figure during the 80's, but I also think it's important to try to separate that which really had to do with music and that which had to do with tabloid stuff/product endorsements/screwing Paul McCartney, etc. These are things which, I feel, go above and beyond the "media whirlwind" that necessarily accompanies the type of band/artist that can put their stamp on an entire decade. - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:55:25 -0700 From: Marc Holden Subject: Re:Essaymaniax From Gary--"STOP taking comments so personally.STOP treating this list like it's a popularity poll. IT'S SO BORING!!!" Thanks Gary--you really nailed it. The September issue of MUSICIAN magazine is out (at least the subscription copies were mailed). The Robyn article is pretty good if a bit short. The on-line issue (http://www.musicianmag.com) should be available soon. Later, Marc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:15:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Rich Plumb Subject: Rock Stars Children With the addition of the soon to be forgotten Rufus Wainwright I'm wondering if you could help me list all the people who've pursued a career in rock/pop/folk who were children of a rock/pop star. I don't want country or jazz or film parentage, only rock/pop/folk. Child Parent Jakob Dylan Bob Dylan Sean Lennon John Lennon Julian Lennon "" Rufus Wainwright Loudon Wainwright III Jeff Buckley Tim Buckley Chynna Phillips John Phillips ??? Wilson ??? Wilson Derek Trucks Butch Trucks Jason Bonham John Bonham I'm sure there's many more and no do not include Lisa Marie Presley. rich ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:25:08 +0000 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: boom boom boom Natalie Jacobs wrote: > >Incidentally, house music was invented in Chicago. > > Err... I thought it was Detroit. > > n., still convinced that all culture emanates from the Midwest Detroit gave the worle techno. (I am not sure of house - there is a lot there) Eleanore - born and raised in Detroit - West side, but smart enough to leave as an adult ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:35:47 +0000 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: South Park/Reasons for not posting dlang wrote: > But, as for South Park, is the show as great as its adherents--George > >>Clooney, say--claim? > > > >Sometimes it's funny, sometimes it isn't. It certainly is better than > most > >of the inane programs on TV. Since it's on Comedy Central it will > probably > >vanish soon. :) > > We just spent the past 5 weeks at school analysing the Satan vs Jesus > episode with the grade 10's ,( its been on public Tv here, with the hard core > swearing beeped out ) Theres a lot to analyse and the kids mostly > enjoyed watching it, but at least half of them still didn't write > reviews of the show as asked, which blows my " show em things they likein the > hope they'll do more work " theory out the window ( or through Cartman's > arse , whichever you prefer) > I mostly like the show, its very black , very pessimistic. I enjoy it > because its so critical of society in general , it targets most of my pet > hates. Whereas the kids love the fart jokes and the sex mad chef.Conservatives > I'm sure would consider it disgusting and call for a ban and really enjoy > frothing at the mouth about its subversive influence. So basically , it has > something for almost everyone! > dave No one here yet has analysed the characters, and I must say Cartmen ("Respect My Authoritay, I Love the Cheezy Poofs, Kitty give me my Pot Pie") and Chef, played by Issac Hays and goes into sexual songs that very much parady his own real songs (still played on the night time shows around here,) (such as Between the Sheets on WBLX) are some of the best cartoon characters, up there with Rocky and Bulwinckle. Eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:42:52 -0700 From: Mike Runion Subject: Re: Rock Stars Children Rich Plumb wrote: > With the addition of the soon to be forgotten Rufus Wainwright I'm > wondering if you could help me list all the people who've pursued > a career in rock/pop/folk who were children of a rock/pop star. I don't > want country or jazz or film parentage, only rock/pop/folk. > > Child Parent > > Jakob Dylan Bob Dylan > Sean Lennon John Lennon > Julian Lennon "" > Rufus Wainwright Loudon Wainwright III > Jeff Buckley Tim Buckley > Chynna Phillips John Phillips > ??? Wilson ??? Wilson > Derek Trucks Butch Trucks > Jason Bonham John Bonham Some others off the top of my head: Arlo Guthrie Woody Guthrie The Nelson twins Rick Nelson Mike - -- Mike Runion Cocoa, FL, USA /******************************************************************\ | VCM: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/cones.htm | | Fegmaps: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/fegmaps | | Spoken Word Tape: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/wordtape.htm | \******************************************************************/ "Wait a minute. Time for a Planetary Sit-In!" - Julian Cope ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 98 10:52:14 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Artist of the 90's On 7/17/98 8:22 AM, Aaron Mandel wrote: >funny you should mention that, since both they and Beck were accused of >creating the "slacker" aesthetic in music. i think it's early to dismiss >Pavement; we seem to be confusing bands whose influence can be heard among >the people that grew up listening to them with bands whose 'influence' is >that they broke commercially and caused labels to sign a bunch of other >bands with the same influences as them. well said. add the recently noted Mudhoney to that category. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:28:04 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: boom boom boom >>Incidentally, house music was invented in Chicago. > >Err... I thought it was Detroit. I have this very eerie feeling that if you said that in certain neighborhoods in Chicago you might live to regret it, and that if you said what -I- said in certain neighborhoods in Detroit, you might also live to regret it. I always heard Chicago and I'm sticking to it :). Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 98 11:10:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: zombies PS Sorry for flogging a dead thread but I thought of another Argent tune that became a minor hit, albeit for 3 Dog Night..."Liar" - -russ. the letters y,u,i,o,p,h,j,k,l,b, n & m in this post were typed by a hand that shook Dick Dale's hand this morning. Do they look any different today? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:48:46 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Rock Stars Children >With the addition of the soon to be forgotten Rufus Wainwright I'm >wondering if you could help me list all the people who've pursued >a career in rock/pop/folk who were children of a rock/pop star. I don't >want country or jazz or film parentage, only rock/pop/folk. I suppose then that you'll be peeved with me for mentioning the Hadens (That Dog), Mose Allison's daughter Amy (who sings with a band called Parlor James), and Bonnie Raitt (technically John Raitt counts as film parentage I 'spose, but he was famous as a singer rather than an actor). Donovan Leitch (Jr. :)) I know is trying for a pop career for sorts with a band called "Nancy Boys", but he seems to be more famous for being famous really. Also Ric Ocasek's son was (maybe still is?) in a band called "Glamour Camp". Ray Davies' daughter Victoria has a band which I don't know very much about, in fact, I can't even recall the name off the top of my head. I don't suppose you'd count Gibby Haynes/Mr. Peppermint either *grin*. But I was very fond of Mr. Peppermint as a child so I count him as a pop star of some kind or another. That's all I can think of right this sec that you didn't get. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:01:26 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Artist of the 90's > I suppose it will depend on how one summates the whole music-in- >the-90's experience. Beck certainly made a big impact on music of the latter >half of the 90's, but I think someone would have to be suffering from the I would say it's tied between the two, IMHO. The thing about Beck though, is that what he does is hard to try to imitate. So I don't know about influential in his case. However, he's about a good deal more than production :). > What about other decades? They *seem* a little more obvious to me, but >maybe not. 50's -> Elvis. That's not at all obvious. I mean, why go with Elvis as the one? You've also got Chuck Berry (my vote, for what that's worth, if it must needs be just one), Little Richard, Gene Vincent, Jerry Lee Lewis.........all of whom had more effect on the music -itself- than Elvis did. >60's = Beatles. The obvious choice here, but you know, Stones, Hendrix, Dylan, Who...... > 70's. . . hmmm. . . Zeppelin or >Floyd? I'd go with Zeppelin; they transcended more categories and were a lot >closer to the hard rock sound that the 70's were all about. That's interesting :). The 70s were pretty full of sounds. Much as I hate to say so, they were a defining band of that period. Also possibly the Eagles, who I also find yucky, but their sound was pretty influential. I'd say Roxy Music goes right up there too in terms of influence. The Roxy/Bowie strain was to me also something the 70s were about, too. >with U2. Madonna would have to be a contender, except she wasn't around from >80-83. U2, on the other hand, had "really important" albums in both halves of >the 80's -- '83's "War" and 87's "Joshua Tree." I hate 'em now, but they were Again, this gets down to how one defines "artist of the decade" I suppose, because musically speaking Madonna wasn't amazingly important. U2 more so, but it seems this still has more to do with popularity. I dunno, maybe REM and Public Enemy, if I hadda make a choice right this minute. But the eighties are harder, still too close at hand perhaps. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 98 11:32:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: Rock Stars Children I forwarded a note to Rich on this, meant to send it to the list. Ric Ocasek and son (who I think spells his name Otcasek) Zak Starkey & Ringo Starr Sinatra, son & daughter (if "pop" means "popular" they qualify) Nat & Natalie cole (see above note) Greg Kihn and son Ry (who hasn't released anything yet but plays in dad's band and will have something of his own out soon) David Crosby's son is on the road with him now I believe. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:37:51 EDT From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: Colin Blunstone Terrance once said: >I don't know if Colin Bluntstone did anything else. Anyone? Thoughtscape Sounds (www.thoughtscape.com) specializes in, among other things, Alan Parsons related CDs released worldwide. They list a Colin Blunstone solo title called "Echo Bridge" in this category. "Listen pal, you can't just waltz in here, use my toaster and spout universal truths without qualification!" - Hal Hartley's "Surviving Desire" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:02:35 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Artist of the 90's In a message dated 98-07-17 14:14:26 EDT, you write: << The thing about Beck though, is that what he does is hard to try to imitate. So I don't know about influential in his case. However, he's about a good deal more than production :). >> Others don't do it as well, but I think of acts like Luscious Jackson, Cornershop, Sean Lennon and a bunch of others as owing a debt to Beck's style of music-making -- patchwork recordings with retro keyboard grooves and politely funky rhythms. > What about other decades? They *seem* a little more obvious to me, but >maybe not. 50's -> Elvis. That's not at all obvious. I mean, why go with Elvis as the one? You've also got Chuck Berry (my vote, for what that's worth, if it must needs be just one), Little Richard, Gene Vincent, Jerry Lee Lewis.........all of whom had more effect on the music -itself- than Elvis did. Granted, Elvis only ever co-wrote one of the Top 10 hits he recorded (I think that's right), but, as a music icon, he might have been the most important. Even the Beatles, who covered more Chuck Berry than Elvis, were probably most driven by his image and what he represented at that time. I think these factors need to be counted almost as much as the music itself. So, do you go with someone who had more of an impact on public consciousness and pop radio (Elvis) or do you go with someone who wrote his own really rockin' tunes and who has been admired by generations of guitarists (Berry). Unfortunately, I'd still have to go with Elvis. >60's = Beatles. The obvious choice here, but you know, Stones, Hendrix, Dylan, Who...... Definitely. Yeah, Dylan and the Stones. Where would music be without them? I guess I'm realizing, more and more, that my distinctions rely a lot on public consciousness and mass popularity as being more important than the coolness factor. Not that the Beatles weren't pretty cool, but they weren't as cool as Dylan or the Stones. I think that Dylan still resonates with alternative culture more so than the Beatles, but I think the Beatles' sphere of influence has been greater. I'm stickin' with the Beatles. > 70's. . . hmmm. . . Zeppelin or >Floyd? I'd go with Zeppelin; they transcended more categories and were a lot >closer to the hard rock sound that the 70's were all about. That's interesting :). The 70s were pretty full of sounds. Much as I hate to say so, they were a defining band of that period. Also possibly the Eagles, who I also find yucky, but their sound was pretty influential. I'd say Roxy Music goes right up there too in terms of influence. The Roxy/Bowie strain was to me also something the 70s were about, too. Now, *you* know I was dying to cite Bowie here! He's been the most influential on *me.* Eagles, though! That's a good one! >with U2. Madonna would have to be a contender, except she wasn't around from >80-83. U2, on the other hand, had "really important" albums in both halves of >the 80's -- '83's "War" and 87's "Joshua Tree." I hate 'em now, but they were << Again, this gets down to how one defines "artist of the decade" I suppose, because musically speaking Madonna wasn't amazingly important. >> Huh?! Well, not if you listened to *good* music from '89 to fall of '91! While some of us were listening to the Pixies and Robyn Hitchcock (how did his name get in here?), most people were listening to loads of crap like Paula Abdul and a million others of even less importance. In fact (well, as I remember it), REM, with "Losing My Religion," were the only actual *band* in ages to break into the Top 10. There was a huge disparity at this time between popular music and college/post-modern/alternative music. It was a lot easier to be cool back then. Anyway, subsequently, REM were the only alternative band during this time to have any crossover appeal. And, by the time they reached that, the decade was over. So, yeah, Madonna was *it* during this period. But, due to everything I mentioned before, I'm sticking with U2 -- they had huge pop success with "Joshua Tree" and were crucial in setting up the plausability for an "alternative mainstream" (like it or not). - -------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:12:00 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock Stars Children In a message dated 98-07-17 12:46:06 EDT, you write: I accidentally sent this to Mike R. instead of the list as a whole. Someone has had the opportunity, therefore, to beat me out on the Sinatra one. That was kind of obvious, though, anyway. Here's what I had to say a little while ago: << > Child Parent > > Jakob Dylan Bob Dylan > Sean Lennon John Lennon > Julian Lennon "" > Rufus Wainwright Loudon Wainwright III > Jeff Buckley Tim Buckley > Chynna Phillips John Phillips > ??? Wilson ??? Wilson > Derek Trucks Butch Trucks > Jason Bonham John Bonham Some others off the top of my head: Arlo Guthrie Woody Guthrie The Nelson twins Rick Nelson >> A few more. . . Nancy Sinatra Frank Sinatra Kirsty MacColl Ewan MacColl Adam Cohen Leonard Coehn -- the Adam Cohen is scheduled for release sometime in the next few weeks. - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:59:59 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: Rock Stars Children i don't think i recall seeing these yet: chris stills - stephen stills dweezil zappa - frank zappa moon unit " - " liza carthy - martin carthy it seems to me that there are other trad/folk type acts in the carthy vein that are multi-generational, but i can't dredge any up just at the moment. maybe they don't count as "rock stars" anyway. i don't recall her name, but last time i saw george clinton he had a woman on state whom he introduced as his granddaughter. it seemed credible. - -- d. - - oh,no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmayowel@access.digex.net - - and dmw@mwmw.com ... get yr pathos at http://www.pathetic-caverns.com/ - - new reviews! tunes, books, flicks, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:30:30 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Artist of the 90's >of music-making -- patchwork recordings with retro keyboard grooves and >politely funky rhythms. Ah, ok, I can see it. With Beck tho, I see much more of a kind of crazy quilt of all kinds of American musics, and new combinations thereof. The influences in something like Luscious Jackson seem less diverse. Basically I was once again, seeing differences writ so large as to obscure similarities :). > Granted, Elvis only ever co-wrote one of the Top 10 hits he recorded (I >think that's right), but, as a music icon, he might have been the most >important. I dunno. He wouldn't have been "Elvis!" without the existence of Little Richard, who really provided a model for his style of stage performance. In that sense the King of Pompadours might well be called the most influential. I know HE'D agree *laugh*. Every rock and roll singer who ever yowled owes a spiritual debt to the man, in any event :). >think these factors need to be counted almost as much as the music itself. >So, do you go with someone who had more of an impact on public consciousness >and pop radio (Elvis) Well, Chuck Berry had a pretty big impact on pop radio, as did the former Richard Penniman, who also had a huge impact on public consciousness (being the person anti-rock-n-roll people frequently had in mind when they talked about it being "jungle music", him and Screamin' Jay, god bless him! :)). I dunno, Elvis was a talented guy, I like the Sun recordings a lot, but he wasn't THAT amazing- I feel that he only really became "Elvis!" because he was white. I know, what a stunningly NEW insight :). >or do you go with someone who wrote his own really rockin' tunes and who >has been admired by generations of >guitarists (Berry). Berry's influence stretches way farther than gee-tarists. He also was probably the first rock and roll songwriter to break out of the traditional subject-matter mode of the genre (for lack of a better way to put it), and not necessarily write "for the kids". Songs like "Memphis" (any other 50s icons writing about custody battles?), and "Havana Moon", and "Let it Rock" are pretty different from anything before them. I think in a lyrical sense he was a big influence, because he showed you didn't necessarily have to have limitations on what you could sing with this music. The Stones and Dylan were definitely listening :). >Unfortunately, I'd still have to go with Elvis. And I still go with Chuck. Hail hail rock and roll! :) But I hate to HAVE to go with one person for a decade. Really I can't bring myself to just say Berry, when I also feel that Richard, Lewis, Holly, Vincent, Cochran, Hawkins (Screamin' Jay, not Dale :)), Leiber and Stoller, Howlin' Wolf, and John Lee Hooker (in no particular order) are definitive figures. And all of them I'd think of before getting to the King.......Elvis would be fairly low on my own list really. Blasphemy! :) >on public consciousness and mass popularity as being more important than the >coolness factor. Well, yeah, you're factoring that in more than I am. But as far as the Beatles go, they're kind of......they have ALL that :). Powerful musical impact and the popularity/iconographic factors. That's why they pretty much are the obvious choice for one defining band, I just, well, maybe it's that this one band thing is something I can't wrap my head around :). > Now, *you* know I was dying to cite Bowie here! He's been the most >influential on *me.* Eagles, though! That's a good one! Unfortunately, they did have a great influence. > Huh?! Well, not if you listened to *good* music from '89 to fall of '91! >While some of us were listening to the Pixies and Robyn Hitchcock (how did his >name get in here?), Now that you mention it, I wasn't really listening to rock then, I was listening mostly to jazz and older R&B and engaged in discovering the past, basically, around that time :). So maybe I shouldn't be commenting. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:52:37 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Artists Tori Amos, Artist of the '90s? Please. U2, Artist of the '80s? Close, but I'd have to go with REM. Especially speaking as someone who was deeply immersed in college radio in the mid '80s and remembers when every other new band was trying to do the REM jingle-jangle thang. And as someone who remembers how exciting it was when REM signed with Warner Brothers, and lifted "college rock" into the top 40. The '70s? Alice Cooper, who else? Heh, just kidding. Umm, I'd say that Springsteen, Bowie, Led Zeppelin and Stevie Wonder are pretty good candidates...but let's go with mighty Zep. Roxy Music is fantastic, but a bit too cultish. The '60s? Come on, it's the Beatles. I don't think there can be any doubt about that. And some of us do think that Beck writes good songs. As for Rufus Wainwright, well, we'll just see if he's quickly forgotten. And seeing as how Rich is another Feg with a heavy Eb-bashing past (if memory serves), I wonder if he's just looking for ways to dig at me with the above comments. I'm not going to participate in the Rock Stars Children thread, because I think it will get tedious real fast. (Kudos to Michael for knowing about Adam Cohen, however.) Another request: If you're going to continue posting about South Park, I think it would be good to change the "Reasons for not posting" subject line. Incidentally, if anyone wants to see the Brian Wilson AOL chat transcript, email me and I'll send you a copy. It wasn't very illuminating, but then, those things never are. For me, I guess the highlight was hearing him say that he would start a small tour in October. Whee! Wish he had toured behind the self-titled record in 1988, however, because that was a much stronger album. Hey, did anyone else catch Ben Folds Five on Conan O'Brien last night? They ROCKED...far more than the standard trot-out-our-hit performance. Wish I had taped it. At one point, the bassist pulled out the plug of his guitar and rhythmically touched the plug tip to his palm, keeping the pulse with feedback buzzes. Wow -- talk about good-annoying. Instant success has left few fingerprints on The Happenings. Eb, who wonders if he has one of the largest pop/rock record collections in the country that doesn't contain any U2 ;) np: Possum Dixon/New Sheets (and Ken, you sneered about my occasional "now dismissing" lists without considering all the "np" lines I submit, which are almost 100% recommendations...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:03:07 -0900 From: BC-Radio@corecom.net (Brett Cooper) Subject: Re: Artists Eb wrote: >The '70s? Alice Cooper, who else? Heh, just kidding. Umm, I'd say that >Springsteen, Bowie, Led Zeppelin and Stevie Wonder are pretty good >candidates...but let's go with mighty Zep. Roxy Music is fantastic, but a >bit too cultish. Cute, Eb. But you have to admit that Alice deserves some sort of mention when it comes to the 70's since he predated Bowie and the case is pretty iron-clad that if Alice hadn't forged the theatrical/stage prop genre, then Bowie may not have been as theatrical as he was. Now with Robyn, shouldn't he at least be mentioned along with the college radio thing? I mean, in the 80's, there was a local college station up here in Alaska that played Robyn on a fairly regular basis and he seemed pretty popular in that sort of market. Brett ************************************************************** Cooper Collections P.O. Box 876462 Wasilla, Alaska 99687 (907) 376-4520 BC-Radio@corecom.net http://www.corecom.net/~no6pp/Cooper_Collections.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:28:09 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Revelling in evil (also long and also probably boring :)) >did anyone else see Circuit City's "we've got everything dads want?" >campaign? yeah, fine, it was for father's day; it still caused me pain. Yup. It wor ugly. >going on. maybe Stone just managed to make a film that was very appealing >to people who already wanted to go out and kill for fun, but there's >something creepy about that, too. Oh, I don't believe that was his intent. I think he was trying to make a (heavy-handed) media satire and a comment on how EMPTY we all are compared to those amazingly cool persons who came up in the 60s. I thought that scene with the Indian shaman guy was very telling in that respect. I also think perhaps he had something in mind akin to "Lolita", of making the "evil" people somewhat sympathetic. To me it didn't work because he seemed to be very confused about that part- on the one-hand trying to make a condemnatory satirical comment, on the other falling into the very trap he was satirizing, glamorizing them and implying that the people they killed (with the exception of the Indian) were all "empty" and perhaps weren't any loss anyway. Love on ya, Susan n.p.- The Clovers, "Down in The Alley", for some reason I thought of them when I was thinking about all the people I liked better than Elvis :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:34:11 EDT From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: off topic My uncle wants to know who wrote a particular song and in what year. He thinks he has the correct title. Where on the internet should I tell him to look for this information? P.S. There seems to be a clothing label call Porn Star. That is, in the Fair Oaks mall here in one of the stores that sell overpriced children's clothing, there is a giant sign that says "Porn Star" in a colorful logo. Don't ask me why. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #279 *******************************