From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #272 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, July 14 1998 Volume 07 : Number 272 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: sharkboy utility belt [Mike Runion ] Re: My New Feg-Symbols Page ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: Good Quail Hunting [Mike Runion ] "ebmaniax" [lj lindhurst ] Re: Dan Bern ["J. Katherine Rossner" ] Ms. Pottymouth speaks [Natalie Jacobs ] Re: Watt jams econo [Eb ] the list gets loopy... [Bayard ] Re: Watt jams econo [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: sharkboy utility belt [Tom Clark ] The Classics [Christopher Gross ] Re: rationalization from a perennial Eb-basher [Eb ] Re: The Classics [Tom Clark ] Re: the Fibbers and "post-plop" [Gary V Parker ] various and sundry evil bits [kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander)] Re: The Classics ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: various and sundry evil bits [amadain ] Re: rationalization [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:55:30 -0700 From: Mike Runion Subject: Re: sharkboy utility belt M.E.Ketone wrote: >> Oh, and isn't it ironic that Repo Man gets mentioned? The scene where >> the kid holds up the liquor store and is dying and tells Emilio Estevez >> that it's society's fault and Emilio says somehting like how it's >> bullshit and he's just a bored white kid from the suburbs has been >> playing in my head ever since the thread on suburban blues cames up... to which Eddie responded: > i once went through and taped every utterance of the word, "fuck," in > Repo Man. it was beautiful! i used to put that on mix tapes quite > frequently, but now i've lost the original tape, and i'm too lazy to go > through and do it again. bummer. maybe i'll do that for The Big > Lebowski when it comes out on laserdisc, and tack it on as filler on all > my tape trades from then on out. Ahem...um...(cough)...what's this about a bored white kid from the suburbs? (Disclaimer: This short post has been purely in jest. Any attempt at taking it otherwise may bring down the wretched wrath of Aleister Crowly upon your mother's boyfriend's third niece, the one with the wooden eye.) - -- Mike Runion Cocoa, FL, USA /******************************************************************\ | VCM: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/cones.htm | | Fegmaps: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/fegmaps | | Spoken Word Tape: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/wordtape.htm | \******************************************************************/ "Wait a minute. Time for a Planetary Sit-In!" - Julian Cope ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:59:50 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: My New Feg-Symbols Page hey, NOBODY fucks with zamfir in any forum of which i'm a member! and it's master of the *magical* pan flute. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:59:40 -0700 From: Mike Runion Subject: Re: Good Quail Hunting Some crazy midwestern-New Yonker wrote: > Hey, you guys, you are forgetting to talk about one important thing: ME! > What about ME?!?! Where do *I* factor in to all of this?!?! As a matter of fact, ME and Eye are my favorite RH albums! So yeah, let's talk about 'em. (although you mispelled "Eye"...and we all thought you were a Robyn fan...tsk tsk lj!) - -- Mike Runion Cocoa, FL, USA /******************************************************************\ | VCM: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/cones.htm | | Fegmaps: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/fegmaps | | Spoken Word Tape: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/wordtape.htm | \******************************************************************/ "Wait a minute. Time for a Planetary Sit-In!" - Julian Cope ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:15:59 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: "ebmaniax" >>BTW, whatever happened to Eb's live chat? Yeah, whatever happened to Eb's live chat? What did you end up naming it, Eb? poop on ya, lj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:13:48 -0700 From: "J. Katherine Rossner" Subject: Re: Dan Bern OK, I saw Dan Bern at the Freight & Salvage, the night before his appearance in Santa Cruz (one reason why I didn't join the rest of you Saturday). Was anybody else from the list at that concert? I can't tell you most of the songs he played, because he never gave names--is that typical, or was he a bit off? Anyway, he's clearly talented, and funny and charming, but not really music that I love. Much of the entertainment was provided by the presence of his sister in the audience. Bern said that this was completely unexpected, and he'd only learned that she was there right before the show. He then pulled out a business card from an LA book dealer--foreign languages and Judaica--and said that he'd been given it by the dealer, and he wouldn't be likely to use it but she might, so could the audience pass the card down to her? (And they did.) Many other jokes, especially when he sang "Oh Sister" and "Jerusalem". >From: Mark Gloster >Subject: bernin down the house... >He did >a funny talkin' blues about breaking into Springsteen's house. He played that one in Berkeley. I *think* that was the one his sister requested, when he was doing encores and said he couldn't decide (and he at least pretended to be mad at her for requesting it). *** Susan, I'm glad to see that *somebody* around here has a sane perspective on Aleister Crowley. Katherine - -- Ye knowe ek, that in forme of speche is chaunge Withinne a thousand yere, and wordes tho That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge Us thinketh hem, and yit they spake hem so. - Chaucer, "Troilus and Criseyde" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:37:07 -0400 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Ms. Pottymouth speaks >by the way, i agree with ms. pottymouth >usa (aka natalie jane jacobs -- sorry lj, but it's >what-have-you-done-for-me-lately here on the feglist) that those dancing >fucking bears are about as evil as you could get. Sorry, Eddie, I'm flattered, but I'm still not scrubbing your back. Anarchists don't shower with socialists. It's Just Not Right (or left, as the case may be). n. p.s. Dean Wareham sounds like Kermit's nephew Robin. But that's good-annoying. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:36:08 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Watt jams econo Dedied: >DOH!!!! Had to un-lurk for this one! Couldn't sit by and watch Watt >get slammed. That album is great, and the second one, "Contemplating >the Engine Room", is *amazing*!!!!! Watt is truly one of music's >innovators, kinda like part punk, part jazz, part progressive. Some >of his songs are funny, some are thought-provoking. And, >irrelevantly, the guy is as nice as they come. Whenever anyone asks >*me* about Watt, I tell them he's God with a bass. I liked Ball-Hog or Tugboat? more than any fIREHOSE album, personally. Quite good. The second one kinda let me down, though. I tried to love it, and just couldn't warm up to it. While it was certainly touching, personal and "real" that he wrote a whole album for his dad (this may be the only release of the past four years that wasn't written about Denise Sharpe), I found the sound too unvarying, unmelodic and unpleasantly lo-fi. Meanwhile, Watt's voice has always been a grit-your-teeth-through-it prospect for me (that's part of why I liked Ball-Hog so much -- guest vocalists!), and I've always found his peculiar "spiel speak" a bit irritating, too. But on the bass...hoo-eee, yup, the man's a God. I can't think of another musician so *visually* fascinating to watch play. And boy, I've seen him perform a bunch o' times...Minutemen (saw them one month before D. died, one of the first club shows I ever saw), fIREHOSE (*numerous* shows), Dos, solo, with Elliott Sharp.... I also interviewed him on the radio once, years ago. Pretty puzzling interview -- he's chatty, but he speaks just like his lyrics. A syntactic riddle. Or dare I say Enigma? He has his own webpage, if anyone doesn't know: http://hootpage.com. He's quite accessible. If you write him, he'll probably write back. He even contacted *me* once, just to announce that his webpage had changed locations. And now I seem to be on his mailing list to announce upcoming gigs. OK, fine with me. Incidentally, the other week when I saw the Fred Frith Group, the opening act was Nels Cline & G.E. Stinson doing free-form guitarscapes. Of course, Cline plays both on the Geraldine Fibbers' Butch and on Contemplating the Engine Room.... Feeney, still giddy in the honeymoon phase: >Yeah, whatever happened to Eb's live chat? What did you end up naming it, Eb? It may not happen. The site started one person doing a chat, and I don't think there was much response. The concept may be dropped altogether -- I'm not sure. I joined a chat there once just to check out the environment, and it was three airhead teenagers asking each other where they were from. Rather disheartening. Ah well. Of course, Rocktropolis probably doesn't realize what a vast "anti-fanbase" I have, who always loves an excuse to debate...heh heh. Oh, and I know that Mark G. posted a long account of his big night out seeing/"starfucking" Dan Bern, but I trust that no one will attack him for that. But they tried, and offered up such grabbers as The Turkish Rondos, The Four Nocturnes, The Overtures, and The Grand Finales. Eb, also effective against most common household stains PS Carl "Oldie" Olsen? Awwwww. :( Did Conan do a tribute to him last night? If not...INAPPROPRIATE! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:07:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: the list gets loopy... it's about that time again! maybe it's the full moon? I only just learned that "pants" means undies in British. They use "trousers" to mean what we call pants, no? Maybe that's why you've never seen robyn in long pants... And when you said you think about him in the shower, do you mena you're in the shower, or him? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:30:27 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: Watt jams econo Sorry for making you receive this twice eb. Hope you'll find it within your warm heart to forgive me someday. >Oh, and I know that Mark G. posted a long account of his big night out >seeing/"starfucking" Dan Bern, but I trust that no one will attack him for >that. I didn't even mention his girlfriend, who is a Wainwright (really)! She was there. By the way, she doesn't sing like Kenny from South Park. I can only imagine that it bugs Ebby that I'm bragging of hanging out with Chris and Nick, who are stars in my book. I promise that we didn't do the nasty, however- not that it's anybody's business. Send more angry starfarkysharkmail! Don't cut that guy any slack. He only pretends to know Bayard Catron on the list so people will think sharkboy's an okay guy. Happies, - -sharkboy "there was no 'improper relationship' between me and the stars." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 98 15:04:22 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: sharkboy utility belt On 7/14/98 2:55 PM, Mike Runion wrote: >M.E.Ketone wrote: >>> Oh, and isn't it ironic that Repo Man gets mentioned? The scene where > >Ahem...um...(cough)...what's this about a bored white kid from the suburbs? OK, since Mark's had kind of a rough day, I need to set the record straight on this Repo Man quote: Duke: The lights are growing dim Otto. I know a life of crime has led me to this sorry fate, and yet, I blame society. Society made me what I am. Otto: That's bullshit. You're a suburban white punk just like me. Duke: Yeah, but it still hurts. btw - When we discovered Repo Man was our favorite movie, Mark and I laughed and embraced in a way that only two married, heterosexual yet curious men can. It was a beautiful starfucking moment. From the prophet down south: >Oh, and I know that Mark G. posted a long account of his big night out >seeing/"starfucking" Dan Bern, but I trust that no one will attack him for >that. That's because everyone in his account were people we know and/or care about. John Wayne was a fag...I installed two-way mirrors in his pad in Brentwood, and he come to the door in a dress. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:25:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: The Classics On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Tom Clark wrote: > OK, since Mark's had kind of a rough day, I need to set the record > straight on this Repo Man quote: > > Duke: The lights are growing dim Otto. I know a life of crime has led me > to this sorry fate, and yet, I blame society. Society made me what I am. > > Otto: That's bullshit. You're a suburban white punk just like me. > > Duke: Yeah, but it still hurts. I know that the above is the way the Internet Movie Database transcribes this scene, but I could swear I remember Otto saying "You're a suburban white punk *on coke*, just like me." Now I won't be able to sleep until I watch Repo Man for the 197th time to get that quote nailed down. Repo Man does make extensive use of The Eff Word, which means there will be a lot of changes whenever the movie is shown on TV. I remember one network changed every instance of the word "motherfucker" to "mellon farmer," which I thought verged on poetry. At least it keeps more of the original spirit than "jerk" or "fellow" or "[expletive deleted]." "It's all part of the Great Cosmic Unconsciousness." ... "Get in the car, white boy, you're still on the job." ... "I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either!" ... "You asshole! I'm *glad* I tortured you!" ... "You'll see." ... Was there ever a movie with so many good quotes? - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:35:49 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: rationalization from a perennial Eb-basher > >From the prophet down south: > >Oh, and I know that Mark G. posted a long account of his big night out > >seeing/"starfucking" Dan Bern, but I trust that no one will attack him >> >for that. > That's because everyone in his account were people we know and/or care > about. Oh, please. Try again. Which only earned them three extra mouths to feed at Sunday dinner. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 98 15:49:59 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: The Classics On 7/14/98 3:25 PM, Christopher Gross wrote: >> Otto: That's bullshit. You're a suburban white punk just like me. >> >> Duke: Yeah, but it still hurts. > >I know that the above is the way the Internet Movie Database transcribes >this scene, but I could swear I remember Otto saying "You're a suburban >white punk *on coke*, just like me." Now I won't be able to sleep until I >watch Repo Man for the 197th time to get that quote nailed down. > Well, in the 198 times I've seen it, I can't recall ever hearing that. However, there were so many alternate scenes shot that I wouldn't be surprised if that got inserted into a print or two. >Repo Man does make extensive use of The Eff Word, which means there will >be a lot of changes whenever the movie is shown on TV. I remember one >network changed every instance of the word "motherfucker" to "mellon >farmer," which I thought verged on poetry. At least it keeps more of the >original spirit than "jerk" or "fellow" or "[expletive deleted]." I saw it on TV once where every instance of "Fuck" was replaced with "Flip." I think it was on A&E or Bravo. "I was a prison guard in Attica...you haven't earned the right to say 'Flip You' to me!" "Flip You!!" - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:23:12 -0600 From: Gary V Parker Subject: Re: the Fibbers and "post-plop" At 10:29 PM -0500 7/13/98, Zloduska wrote: > I wanted to announce that >if anyone on this list wants a mix tape of Fibbers stuff, just email me and >I'll send one out as soon as a can, for nothing in exchange. Just let me >know what you want. Wow, hard to refuse an offer like that. I love Butch, but have had trouble finding many other of their releases. A mix tape would be a great intro and encouragement to go a little further in searching for stuff, maybe even whipping out the credit card for online shopping. I'd be glad to hear less rocking stuff, spine-shivering stuff, orchestrated stuff, and any outright beautiful stuff. You can stay away from the purer country stuff, not that I hate it or anything, but I hear enough of it. But gosh, don't go to a lot of trouble as I'm sure you'll be spinning several of these. Whatever any feg gets is good enough for me. many kind thanks from a lurker, Gary ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 98 16:14:07 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: rationalization from a perennial Eb-basher On 7/14/98 3:35 PM, Eb wrote: >> >From the prophet down south: >> >Oh, and I know that Mark G. posted a long account of his big night out >> >seeing/"starfucking" Dan Bern, but I trust that no one will attack him >> >>for that. > >> That's because everyone in his account were people we know and/or care >> about. > >Oh, please. Try again. That's just it, I'm not *trying* to do anything. I don't get off baiting people into arguments. I was just explaining why Mark's story has a wider relevance to the list. The defense rests and goes out for a sandwich. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:16:31 -0700 (PDT) From: fred is ted Subject: Re: Revelling in evil - ---Terrence M Marks wrote: > > I had thought that I had given a decent answer, but maybe it didn't get> through. (The answer was: an "R" rating doesn't mean "people shouldn't> see it". It means "Kids shouldn't see it". When the MPAA was founded,> and possibly now, people felt that sexual content was more harmful to> children than violent content.) The question is *why* was sex seen as worse than violence? > > > Teen slasher movies really boil out the whole story for me. The boy> > and/or, more pointedly, the girl, are brutally killed shortly after> > engaging in petting/coitus etc. That's what we get when we violate > > Mom and Dad's/the Church's sanctions against premarital sex and, for> > the girls, devaluing their father-owned bride-price. When the> > revolution comes, I'll be handing out maps to the homes of the people> > who made these movies. > > Or, mayhaps, it's a good way to put nudity into a slasher movie and> justify it. Again, you fail to take the next step in your analysis--why is it ok to justify the juxtaposition of sex and brutality? Profits? Cultural expectation? >I don't recall anyone ever slipping the phrase "father-owned> bride-price" into a conversation here >before. It strikes me as a phrase> that carries a fair deal of hostility towards "the patriarchy". Indeed, I was stating *my* hypothesis as to why sex and violence were held to different standards by American film censors. The idea of fathers owning the marriage rights of their daughters is not a hostile critique of "the patriarchy" or Western Civ. Look at why men give their fiancees a diamond ring. Happens in many different cultures. Crack open a history book. You can look up the apparently unfamiliar concept that I bring up here. > And, y'know, I may not like the opinions of some people, but come the> revolution, you won't find me directing the barbarians towards Andrea> Dworkin. I was kidding! Haven't you ever heard this phrase used in jest? Didn't feel it needed a smilicon. It's not the filmmakers opinions I dislike, it's the possible psychological impact of their films upon an impressionable teenage audience. Btw, I have a feeling Dworkin will be on the march long before her detractors. > > And while we're blaming people for the decline of Western Civ, I'd like to> call a big put-down on John Lennon, Jerry Garcia, The Hollies, The Rolling > Stones and Lou Reed for glorifying/endorsing drug use. Good for you. Don't forget W.C. Fields, Humphrey Bogart and all the other culture heros who used drugs as audience-engaging props, only to be killed by them in the end. I didn'y say slasher movies are eroding W. Civ. If anything, I showed how they are supporting our present system. I was just trying to put together some links b/t the past and the present. Sorry, it's what I do for a living. I feel "rut 'n' cuts" are unhealthy, but then again, every living system needs dirt to keep it organic and vibrant. Too bad the fertilizer is blood meal sometimes. > > "yeah, we get high on music." Kim Deal > I thought it was heroin for her. Kim's "Pacer" album is rife with lyrics that make clear her feelings of anger and betrayal at her sister Kelly's heroin addiction. Thanks for caring! Ted, secretly delighted be seen as a liberal, when he's really a "fascist" military historian at a conservative Midwestern university. "yeah, we get high on music." Kim Deal _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:32:26 -0400 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: various and sundry evil bits >others, -especially- those others who are emotionally or mentally weak.> > >why, "knowingly"? not to beat a dead horse or anything --i'm the last >person you'd ever expect to rail on an on and on and on and on and on >and on and on about the evils of capitalism, after all. but, by merely >participating in the system, we are all perpetrators of evil, whether we >like it or not, *and* whether we're aware of it or not. right, ignorance may be blissful; but it's no excuse. i think most people just want to be left alone. that's the success of our capitalist empire. modernized bread and circuses keep the masses complacent. these people would probably consider the nastiness of capitalism to be a kind of social darwinism and accept it as that. am i evil when i refuse to give money to some youngster on the street? we all make our choices. and the grass is always greener over the septic tank. but short of a real big monetary crash like in the late twenties, we will not be seeing an end to captitalism anytime soon. of course, the idiotic IMF might just be what the doctor ordered... >Hi! My name is Susan, and I'm a pervert and a subversive. Who has never >committed a crime or killed anyone, nor romanticized the doing thereof. Can >you claim the same in all good conscience, Monsieur Heston? some people consider perversion/subversion to be a crime. not me, mind you. i live for that stuff. i've never killed anyone; but there are times when a rooftop and an ak-47 seemed like a real solution. perverts of the world unite! >I am aware of that, thanks much. My quibble was with how the ratings are >determined. The sight of a penis is an automatic NC-17 rating. Were you >aware of that? Films are much more likely to be rated NC-17 for sexual >content than violent content. In fact, I cannot think of a film rated NC-17 >for violence alone, offhand. _boogie nights_ was rated R. of course, the penis was fake! "hey, this sort of thing ain't my bag, baby!" >well, exactly. nudity is justified if the nude people die. violence is >justified if the victims were sinful. who should be killed first, the makers of _showgirls_ or _striptease_? >heard a song from the Bragg/Wilco/Guthrie album today. Very promising. I >shall have to investigate further great album. got a bobby zimmerman and the band kinda feel to it. though many of the arrangements sound familiar, the lyrics are great. very subversive. > Sounds to me as if anyone who has anything negative to say about Aleister > Crowley is in your view anti all occult explorations and generally > simple-minded. i hear crowley didn't shower much. he threw great parties though. KEN "sha la la" THE KENSTER (deftly avoiding any mention of the grateful dead - doh!) np. _me_ by the mekons. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:05:41 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: The Classics huh? the imdb has *screenplays* now? i tell ya, that site just fucking rules! <"It's all part of the Great Cosmic Unconsciousness." ... "Get in the car, white boy, you're still on the job." ... "I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either!" ... "You asshole! I'm *glad* I tortured you!" ... "You'll see." ... Was there ever a movie with so many good quotes?> how 'bout Raising Arizona? - --"When there was no crawdad to be found, we ate sand." "Y' ate *what*?" "We ate sand." - --"Well, Hi, you done served your twenty months. And seein' as how you never used live ammo, we got no choice but to re-turnn you to so-ciety." "I preminisced no return of the salad days." [apart from, "That's what the Hebrews thought," this has just *got* to be the greatest movie quote of all time.] - --"Here's the instructions." - --"Awful good cereal flakes Mrs. M'donough." - --"You mean 'J.R.,' just like the TV show?" - --"Keep yer god damn hands off m' wife!" - --"I tried to stand up and fly right, but it wa'n't easy with that sumbitch Reagan in the White House. I dunno, they say he's a decent man, so...maybe his advisors are confused." - --"We released ourselves on our own recognizance." "We felt the institution no longer had anything to offer us." - --"Huh?" "Why do you say you feel 'trapped' in a man's body?" "Well sometimes I get the menstrual cramps *real hard*." - --"I think we got the best one. I think we got Nathan, Jr." - --"Chairs, you got a dinette set. No chairs, you got dick!" - --"This oughta split up real nice three ways." - --"There's a name for people like you, Hi." "It's called, 'recidivism.'" "Repeat o-ffender." "Not a pretty name, is it, Hi?" "No, sir. That's one bonehead name. But that ain't me no more." - --"There's what's right, and there's what's right. And ever the 'twain shall meet." - --"What are you kiddin' me? We got ourselves a family, here!" - --"Bill Roberts?" "No! Not that motherscratcher. Bill *Parker*." - --"What we call the 'dyip-tet.'" - --"Why ain't you breast-feeding? You appear to be capable." jeez, and i know i'm forgettin' a whole bunch of good ones, too! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:51:05 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: various and sundry evil bits >>>others, -especially- those others who are emotionally or mentally weak.> >> >>why, "knowingly"? not to beat a dead horse or anything --i'm the last >>person you'd ever expect to rail on an on and on and on and on and on >>and on and on about the evils of capitalism, after all. but, by merely >>participating in the system, we are all perpetrators of evil, whether we >>like it or not, *and* whether we're aware of it or not. I just wanted to answer this post from the esteemed Mr. Tews, since I'm seeing it now. I actually usually read his posts from the archive, since I have all hotmail addresses filtered out- too much junk from that domain over the years. But since I'm seeing it now somewhere else, might as well answer Eddie's points first. Perhaps my phrasing wasn't all it should be. What I was trying to provide for was cases like, say: What if you were babysitting the kids down the street, and you took them to the park to play on the swings, and then when you tell the mother about it when she gets home she gets all upset because she once knew a child who died falling off a swing. Certainly you have caused harm, but I think we'd all agree that wasn't evil. THAT is the sort of thing I had in mind when I put in the condition "knowingly". And the Kenster asks: >darwinism and accept it as that. am i evil when i refuse to give money to >some youngster on the street? we all make our choices. No. You're evil if you kick him tho. That's my opinion, worth what you paid. (other stuff snipped for further comments when I'm not in a hurry to go somewhere) >_boogie nights_ was rated R. of course, the penis was fake! >"hey, this sort of thing ain't my bag, baby!" I think actually that's how they managed an R rating. We live in a strange world. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:30:33 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: rationalization Clarked: >>>Oh, and I know that Mark G. posted a long account of his big night out >>>seeing/"starfucking" Dan Bern, but I trust that no one will attack him >>>for that. >> >>> That's because everyone in his account were people we know and/or care >>> about. >> >>Oh, please. Try again. > >That's just it, I'm not *trying* to do anything. I don't get off baiting >people into arguments. I was just explaining why Mark's story has a >wider relevance to the list. Mm-hmm. Well, let's see, my much-debated previous post (you know, that rare post where I *dared* to offer a personal anecdote, unlike all the other Fegs who *never* post about their personal lives or social activities...) was approximately 33% Robyn Hitchcock-related. How much Hitchcock was in Mark's Dan Bern post? And if you think everyone here cares about Dan Bern, I believe you're mistaken. The vast majority of Bern posts are from Mark -- I only recall maybe two or three others who dependably post about Bern. Now, just because I don't give a darn about Dan Bern doesn't mean that I resent Mark posting about him. But I sure don't see any anti-Bern folks gleefully taking shots at his posts like they do with my (for instance) Rufus Wainwright raves. Face it, there's simply a double standard that applies to my posts. If that's how it's gotta be, fine, I can deal with it. Just don't pretend otherwise, through these rationalizations. First, I get accused of being self-indulgent. If that gets refuted, then I'm too off-topic. If that gets refuted, then I'm too negative. Etc. It's always something. And all these criteria are rarely applied to anyone else. It's just that certain folks on this list are continually gunning for me. I probably submit personal data less than any other regular Feg poster. Just remember that. If I had my way, I would still be completely anonymous. On D-Day, when the boys were to turn over the new moniker to their manager, Bernie (tenor, red hair, 5'10") bounced onto the scene and announced triumphantly that his sister had come up with a winner: The Occurrances! Rocking on, Eb np: waving my proggie flag with Genesis Archive 1967-75 ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #272 *******************************