From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #269 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, July 13 1998 Volume 07 : Number 269 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Crop Circles Are Go! [Tom Clark ] Re: Children of Lost Cities ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #265 [M R Godwin ] Re: 1974, continued [Tom Clark ] Pointlessness [edoxtato@ssax.com] Re: 1974, continued [Jason Thornton ] Re: Revelling in evil [Tom Clark ] Re: Revelling in evil movies and homonyms [Jon Fetter ] Re: Workingquail's Dead; so is Bela Lugosi. [Eb ] Re: Quail is the Law ["JH3" ] list catchup... [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: Quail is the Law, Quail under Will [amadain Subject: Re: Crop Circles Are Go! On 7/11/98 3:49 PM, Zloduska wrote: > Fibbers fans are obscure and well-hidden. Perhaps there may be one in the >woodwork of this list that would come out for me? I haven't heard them >mentioned yet. I can't say I qualify as a "big fan", but I do own "Lost Somewhere Between The Earth And My Home", and enjoy it frequently. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:57:08 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: Children of Lost Cities i've only mentioned Delicatessen on this list about 665 times, so i guess one more is in order. for my money, it's one of the five best movies ever made. this was jeunet and caro's first flick, City of Lost Children was their second. i don't want to fill in the details, mike, because that would ruin it for you! but i will say that it's even more reminiscent of Brazil than is City of Lost Children. in fact, gilliam loved it so much that he let them put his name on it for, uh, advertising purposes. he had nothing to do with the actual making of the film, but all the print ads --and maybe even the poster, now that i'm thinking about it-- featured a "terry gilliam presents" bubble. also, you being a big neutral milk hotel fan, mike, will get a BIG kick out of the musical saw playing. and if you like these two movies, definitely check out The Secret Adventures Of Tom Thumb. stop motion animation with real live actors! that had to be harder than fuck to do, and it's visually unlike anything else you've ever seen. only about an hour long, though. i saw the sean lennon video last night on 120 minutes. the song's ok, i guess. it starts out with the camera behind him, then it swivels around to in front of him, and you can just kind of make out him doing something with his hands. it turns out that he's preparing to put on a pair of headphones. but for a split second, it looked to me like he was fucking around with a rubik's cube, which i thought was pretty damned cool! "What the fuck! There's a house burning in the middle of I-5!" --Capuchin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:06:46 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #265 On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 edoxtato@ssax.com wrote: > Terrance said: > >I don't know if Colin Bluntstone did anything else. Anyone? > Um, he had a few guest appearances on various Alan Parsons albums, but > that's about all I know. He had a big UK hit with 'I don't believe in miracles', and he also covered Denny Laine's fabulous song 'Say you don't mind' which was also a hit - but in my opinion, the original Denny Laine and the Electric String Band version is better. - - Mike Godwin PS Only one T in Blunstone PPS Connection to Peter ("I look ill but I don't care about it") Perrett: Blunstone recorded Denny Laine's 'Say you don't mind' Denny Laine was once in Balls with Mike Kellie, Steve Gibbons and Trev Burton (saw them once) Mike Kellie later joined the Only Ones q.e.d. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 98 11:08:04 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: 1974, continued On 7/12/98 7:29 AM, Natalie Jane Jacobs wrote: >n., who thinks about Robyn Hitchcock in the shower quite often Who else is imagining Eddie and Natalie scrubbing each other's backs? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:08:03 -0500 From: edoxtato@ssax.com Subject: Pointlessness >>From: Natalie Jacobs >>Is it just my imagination, or are Brits generally not into wearing shorts? >>I lived in England for a year and only saw one person wearing shorts, and >>that was because he was going to play tennis. Maybe it's the weather...? In the two years I was there, I got more grief regarding shorts than anything else. There are loads of explanations: Eb supposed: >More likely it has to do with what's considered age-appropriate, >I suspect. Still seems to be the case, at least in some upper-class >circles, that British boys wear "short pants", and graduating into >wearing regular trousers is the rite of passage into adulthood, or >at least adolescence. Mmmm... dunno about the rite o' passage thingy-- there was a school for young boys down the street from where I lived in Newbury, and short pants weren't part of the dress code. In fact, the boys tried to wear the longest baggiest trousers they could possibly get away with (I used to think it was cos they were taking the piss but my girlfriend informed me that their parents were buying their clothes a size too large so's they'd grow into the clothes throughout the course of the term. I wonder if she was taking the piss...) Perhaps at Eton, where tradition means you don't have to know better... There's an issue here with the lack of melanin-- them peoples from the UK has WHITE legs. If people start wearing shorts, they're going to blind passers-by, or worse, lorry drivers causing accidents galore. One of my ex-coworkers said there was a Newbury by-law which forbade him from wearing shorts just because of the general safety hazard. It's easy to tell the tourists in England. They're all wearing shorts. The government discourage anyone that holds a UK passport from wearing shorts. It's dead easy to spot Johnny Forigner that way. "Look, Ceril-- he's got tanned legs. Not from Basingstoke, I think." Anyone ever seen Robyn wear shorts? Look after yerselves... - -Ed, Doc got my stuff outta storage last week and managed to keep my job after the round of lay-offs... n.p. Planet P, "Pink World" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:18:40 -0700 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Re: 1974, continued At 11:08 AM 7/13/98 -0700, Tom Clark wrote: >On 7/12/98 7:29 AM, Natalie Jane Jacobs wrote: > >>n., who thinks about Robyn Hitchcock in the shower quite often > >Who else is imagining Eddie and Natalie scrubbing each other's backs? I wasn't. But I am NOW! Thanks. - --Jason ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 98 11:24:30 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Revelling in evil On 7/13/98 9:10 AM, amadain wrote: >>BTW what were you doin in Dallas then? > >I was raised there and my parents still live there. > Y'all must be real dern proud of the forward thinking Texas Board Of Education for voting to sell all their shares of Disney stock because of a few scenes in "Pulp Fiction." yee ha! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:46:13 +0800 From: Jon Fetter Subject: Re: Revelling in evil movies and homonyms >Rather similar to what happened in Robocop, I believe. The scene where >they introduce the ED2000 and it goes on to kill the corporate suit who is >asked to point a gun at it. Originally the shooting of the 'suit' was to >last over a minute, but the censors thought tha gratuitous and told them >to edit it out. Ironically, the original, which was supposed to make a >statement about violence and to take it into semi-humourous surreality was >made all the more vicious and nasty by the editing. > >Typical censorship errors, really... :) > >tara - Sean I wish they had shortened Weller's death scene instead. I can watch any part of Robocop again except for that part--I leave the room or channel surf. What a way to die, and filmed in such detail. The first time I saw Robocop was in a college room of mostly ROTC's--the dark humor of the shortened segment of the suit getting killed was not lost on them--they laughed like crazy through all of it. And talking about ROTC's, I was introduced to Robyn's music by an alternative music-loving ROTC named Bob Hitchcock back in the times of "Fegmania." His sister, Robyn Hitchcock, had the same birthday as... Robyn Hitchcock. She wrote to him about this weird coinkydink and met up with him later in NYC. If either of them are lurking on the list, er, hi. Well, enough about my halycon days, Jon np: Wang Fei's rather dull "Faye Wong" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 98 15:34:52 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Workingquail's Dead; so is Bela Lugosi. No, Eb, don't get excited by the first part of the subject line. . . . >Eb, asking the musical question "Why listen to Workingmans Dead and >American Beauty, where there's the Byrds, Dylan, Flying Burritos and the >Band?" Ah . . . I REFUSE to get involved in another Dead War. I simply won't; beacuse the Dancing Bears tell me Now Is Not The Time. Our time will come, however, brothers -- soon. Just keep watching the Bears, oh yes. Hal, Ben, Dave -- we will know when Zero Hour is upon us. And *then* we'll ask Natalie who's laughing now, eh? But though I refuse to get my hands dirty with patchouli oil, I can nevertheless fail to pass up a cheerfully delivered explanation for Eb's benefit. "Workingman's Dead" and "American Beauty" are great albums simply because of the songs, man. The music, the lyrics -- Robert Hunter's lyrics were at their most graceful, poetic, and lovely at that time, and even Phil scores some points. There is no WAY anyone on EARTH can tell me that "Ripple," "Brokedown Palace," "Friend of the Devil," and "Box of Rain" are not great songs, easily worth anything by the Byrds, the FBB, or even Bobbie D and the Band. Even if you hate the Dead, you gotta say that those songs are just fine additions to the American Folk Repetoire. Let's see who be trading RUFUS tapes in twenty years, eh? Heh heh heh. . . . - --Quail, who ironically enough loves Goth just as much as Dead music, and is looking forward to the Bauhaus reunion like the Second Coming of Pigpen. And I know this does not necessarily make me look any better. Oh, yes, and Ben rants about Squid-petter Chris: >Now, if you listen to Goth music does that mean you must dress or act a >certain way? Of course not. But it seems a lot of people here think that if >you like the Dead then you must be a tie-dye wearing, pot smoking hippie, >and conform to all the other stereotypes that come with it. I'm going to >take a wild guess and say none of us on the list conform to that image Heh. Well, um, Ben, I hate to say it but . . . I happen to *be* a tie-dye wearing, gallinaceous using dude with long hair, a beard, and a collection of Relix magazines in my closet. And I'm damn proud of it -- except when the cops pull me over. >I'd reccomend to all who practice this prejudicial way of thinking to rush >to the hospital and get your head removed from your ass. Wow. I happen to know Chris, and I can say that after going to many Phish shows *and* Goth concerts with him, I have never once seen his head up his ass. PS: And Chris, Stamp Collecting rules! I mean, you don't see any Jerry Garcia coins, do you? Sheesh. - ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | Literature Site - The Libyrinth: TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth www.rpg.net/quail | Vampire Site - New York by Night: riverrun Discordian Society | www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:49:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Workingquail's Dead; so is Bela Lugosi. On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, The Great Quail wrote: > Wow. I happen to know Chris, and I can say that after going to many Phish > shows *and* Goth concerts with him, I have never once seen his head up > his ass. This would be more to my credit if it was physically possible for my head to reach up my ass. (Ugh -- I'm suddenly reminded of the old George Carlin routine about seeing a dog licking its balls. "If *I* could reach, I'd never leave the house!" A vivid imagination isn't always fun.) By the way, I may be the only person in DC who is upset that The Creatures (Siouxie Sioux and John Cale), Tori Amos and Phish are all playing on the same night. The inconvenience is nicely counterbalanced by my smug satisfaction in my freedom from genre restrictions. Anyone else going to see Nashville Pussy at the Black Cat this Wednesday? - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 98 16:21:47 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Quail is the Law, Quail under Will First of all, this post is a defense of my earlier Crowley statements, so if you are not interested, delete now. I am aware that I am flogging a dead subject, but I was out of town for the weekend, and I just can't resist the smell of old, mouldering threads. There is NO Robyn content here; but a casual mention of Liam is made later in the letter. Second of all, I would like to emphasis that Natalie misquoted Aleister in her last subject line. "Every Man or Woman is a Star" should read "Every Man or Woman is a Small Gallinaceous Bird," but I can only assume that Gnat has the expurgated version of Crowley's opus. . . . Mark sharks: >I was just trying to get TGQ to say something. He took the bait. All >of the kind encouragement that I used to get hime to write didn't >work, but to crush one of statues in the cthulhu menagerie zapped >some life into him.... Heh heh . . . I am so sadly putting together the pieces of my wee Crowley stauette with crazy glue and rubber bands. Ah, well. At least you didn't smash Cruella DeVille or break the tentacles off of my Nyarlathotep! >Is The Great Quail back for real??? The Great Quail is still without a computer of his own, and relies on the graces of Shirley Feeney's until his is fixed. This means that I can only post about things concerning Liam or Dean. >About dearest A. Crowley, I'm sorry if it came out that I thought >that he was a pathetic loser. Oh, I thought that was *Susan* who said that! In that case, I retract my defense of the Beast, as arguing with Chicagoites is always more fun than arguing with *anyone* from California. . . . But to answer both Mark *and* Susan, I have always been of the mind that if some cat gets the gumption to establish a temple of people who worship him, give him money, and sing Stonecutter Abthems around the communal keg, so be it! I mean the Pope does it, and he gets that really cool car and pointy hat. My high school Civics teacher did it too, but he never got beyond driving a Gremlin and getting fired for "impropriety." In other words, your soul, spirit, and mind are your own, and if you want to hand them over to be fleeced, you pretty much get what you deserve. Crowley knew this, and even TOLD people that -- and so with his left hand he was picking pockets and cranking out books of trendy semi-accessible trash, and with the right he was thumbing a ride to illuminnation and penning some quite excellent books about the nature of Belief. . . . Suddenly Susan: >He was a well-educated man and on occasion wrote well, granted, though his >poetry is pretty bad, I think you would admit. Yeah, it is a bit lame at time -- the rhyming stuff. But the more modern verses of "The Book of Lies" are pretty impressive. >And he WAS too an evil guy. Ah, what is Evil? Sideshow Bob? Aleister Crowley? Jerry Springer? Mother Teresa? Pinot Griggio? Charles Manson? You? I mean, I know a lot of folk that would stamp your one way ticket to the Inferno for merely your sexual orientation(s)! >The Golden Dawn was a pretty big con. Wow, that even rhymes. Yes, but is not entirely accurate. There were some members of that Order which were *very* concerned with exploring metaphysics! (That doesn't rhyme at all.) >If you wanna swing, swing. Fine and good. Just don't go around justifying >it by saying it's about finding priestesses or about liberating mankind >from Christianity or any other stupid thing, as if it's some kind of weary >duty that you undertake out of a sense of philanthropy, and which we should >all think makes you an awesome guy. Um -- why? I say, if you want to swing, swing. Ago around justifying it however the hell you want to, because I for one do not have a monoploy on swinging, justifications, or even liberation. Sounds to me like your view is just another "pose," just another stance. Tantric explorations, liberation from Victorian morales, or freely-open in-your-face sexual oreintations of the 1990's -- whatever. I'm sure Oscar Wilde or Mark Gloster would have something witty to say here. And by the way, AC never, ever considered himself a philanthropist. Like most "mages" of that ilk, enlightenment was definitely NOT for the average person, and it was kept a jealously guarded secret -- I suppose its good they didn't have credit cards in Edwardian times. . . . >Fine. Actually I believe this myself to an extent. He's far from the first >to think of it, incidentally. And he's far from the last. And his work also freely -- but openly -- borrowed from the traditions before him. >I tend to be immediately suspicious of anyone who actually gets off on >having followers and tries actively to recruit same, and really likes to be >worshipped. A genuine spiritual teacher isn't at all interested in such. A >con artist is. And they are mutually exclusive. Ah, but he was *not* a zen monk! He was interested in Magick, not merely spiritual enlightenment. He was also interested in the material world as an important part of a whole philosophy. He was also interested in babes, money, and Secret Thoth T-shirts. If you are going to rail against him, don't rail against something he never claimed to be. >If you see Buddha in the road, kill him. He's a figment of your imagination >anyhow. Know what I mean? No, not really. If I see Buddha on the road, I will make him a nice sandwich and ask him to explain why Keanu Reeves was chosen to portray him. . . . - --Frater Quailerabo - ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | Literature Site - The Libyrinth: TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth www.rpg.net/quail | Vampire Site - New York by Night: riverrun Discordian Society | www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:23:36 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Pointlessness Ed wrote: >Eb supposed: >>More likely it has to do with what's considered age-appropriate, >>I suspect. Still seems to be the case, at least in some upper-class >>circles, that British boys wear "short pants", and graduating into >>wearing regular trousers is the rite of passage into adulthood, or >>at least adolescence. Dat wasn't my comment. And Jon wrote: >And talking about ROTC's, I was introduced to Robyn's music by an >alternative music-loving ROTC named Bob Hitchcock back in the times of >"Fegmania." His sister, Robyn Hitchcock, had the same birthday as... Robyn >Hitchcock. Wow. Uh...WOW. Tommy (also sings lead, dark brown hair, 5'8") was trying to insure himself against showbiz failure by learning how to straighten hair at a ritzy School de Coiffure et Beaute. Eb, who really wishes that infamously gory volleyball-spike scene hadn't been edited out of Point Break PS Delicatessen was great, though its virtues and shortcomings are quite parallel to Robyn's, really ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:30:44 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Workingquail's Dead; so is Bela Lugosi. >Anyone else going to see Nashville Pussy at the Black Cat this Wednesday? No, but I have the Lovin' Spoonful's "Nashville Cats," and I've seen a black...oh, never mind. Which inspired his father to suggest the boys make it as The Kinks. Eb np: Diamanda Galas/Malediction and Prayer (it's such a nice sunny day outside, after all) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:15:31 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Quail is the Law Da' Quail sez: >...If I see Buddha on the road, I will make him a nice >sandwich and ask him to explain why Keanu Reeves >was chosen to portray him. . . . IIRC, the original title of that film was "Siddhartha and Ted's Excellent Spiritual Adventure." Besides, I heard both Schwarzenegger *and* Stallone turned down the part... - --JH3 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:33:14 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: list catchup... Okay, I'm way too far behind to catchup. Geez, the bottle's nearly empty and the last remains are clotted. Let's see what I can do.... THANK YOU AND I OWE YOU NOTES (that is not to say lotus notes, which i wouldn't give to anybody) DEPARTMENT: Woj, thanks, I'll chat with you soon about tradez. Randi, WOW! I honestly was fishing for compliments for the project, but thankyouthankyouthankyou... I'm trying very hard not to argue with you on the guitar thing, but yea, I kind of do kick ass on 3 chords, don't I? ;-) ;-) Without overdoing the modesty, I would guess I'm about the nineteenth best guitarist on the CD, and I'm not too shabby. Bayard, we'll chat. Nick, Chris: thanks for being, and thanks for coming to Santa Cruz. Apologies on lack of productivity, we'll get it right. Maybe we'll be able to attract more help. Hey, there's beer in the fridge... All: Fegmaniax rule. You are really great people. Please play nice with the living, the dead, and the undead. - -- Shorts: it can be a very bad thing for those of us of british lineage to wear short pants in the sun. It is blinding. This is a practical reason. About Robyn, his personna is one of a person who is very protected. Body language, clothing, word-use, etc. all suggest that he's very selectively holding something back from us. It adds mystique, and probably allows him to fele more secure. Dan Bern bares all in all ways. Robyn doesn't. They're both great. - -- Apologies: I may have added some fuel to the fires about runny birds and shadowy, dark, worshipers of the darkened doorways in black dark, darkness. I think my rants ride the border between humor and whiny old-fartism, but maybe there are some polite boundaries for even my smelly-gasisms. I will try not to encourage a lack of respect in the future or foster any intolerance for the closely held beliefs of others. - -- I liked City of Lost Children, but Delicatessen was a better movie imho. Yes, it had its flaws. So did Repo Man, but that's my favorite movie that I can think of right now, well, except for that "Dinosaur" video. - -- That's enough for now, I'll post about the Dan Bern experience soon. - -Markg, aka sharkboy, or sharkthing if the marketing department demands that I follow a strict androgeny angle... Oh and is there a word for a creature that blurs distinctions between species (1 word = missing link?) Maybe that's the correct angle. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:23:10 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Quail is the Law, Quail under Will >But to answer both Mark *and* Susan, I have always been of the mind that >if some cat gets the gumption to establish a temple of people who worship >him, give him money, and sing Stonecutter Abthems around the communal >keg, so be it! I've always been of the opinion that just because you CAN doesn't mean you ought. >In other words, your soul, spirit, and mind are your own, and if you want >to hand them over to be fleeced, you pretty much get what you deserve. So okay, it's right and good for people to prey on other people, because they volunteered for it. They made the choice freely to be conned, therefore, this isn't a crime. Say what? If you ever fall for a pidgeon drop scam, I will remind you that you said this, and stand in front of the nearest phone booth so that you cannot get to it to call the police, and thus enable you to be consistent in your philosophy. Cause I mean hey, after all, you voluntarily agreed to give that guy your money, right? So you got what you deserved, did you not? So lick it up. PICKING ON PEOPLE IS WRONG. Did we not all learn this by the time we were say, 10? At the latest? >Ah, what is Evil? Sideshow Bob? Aleister Crowley? Jerry Springer? Mother >Teresa? Pinot Griggio? Charles Manson? Evil is by my definition, knowingly causing some form of harm to others, - -especially- those others who are emotionally or mentally weak. By this definition, Manson, Crowley, and Springer do all, to different degrees, fit. I do not know enough about Mother Theresa or Sideshow Bob to make a statement on them. Pinot Grigio, being a substance, is a neutral thing. > You? I mean, I know a lot of folk that would stamp your one way ticket to >the Inferno for >merely your sexual orientation(s)! Fortunately they are not the ones ultimately responsible for stamping such tickets. >Yes, but is not entirely accurate. It was based on a document which turned out to have been forged. Which members even to this day insist was not forged, although it was actually a fairly clumsy forgery as they go. A pursuit of metaphysics based on made-up teachings? Huh? Why do that when there are real documents to read, and plenty of? >which were *very* concerned with exploring metaphysics! (That doesn't >rhyme at all.) Woo. >I say, if you want to swing, swing. Ago around justifying it however the >hell you want to, because I for one do not have a monoploy on swinging, >justifications, or even liberation. Exactly. Do it. Do it for yourself and your own happiness, satisfaction, what have you. I trust that you, Quail, do not feel that you need to make up a bullshit philosophy about how you are liberating the human race by so doing. In other words, that's a bogus justification. And yes, I think that's a valid opinion. > Sounds to me like your view is just >another "pose," just another stance. Sounds to me as if anyone who has anything negative to say about Aleister Crowley is in your view anti all occult explorations and generally simple-minded. And that's a pose if I ever saw one. >from Victorian morales, or freely-open in-your-face sexual oreintations >of the 1990's -- whatever. Did I ever start a cult based around myself and ask for money? Did I ever claim to be the possessor of the one great spiritual truth? Actually all I'm doing is not being in a closet. If you perceive not being in a closet as being directly in your face, some readjustment is in order, and I'm not the one who needs to do it. >Ah, but he was *not* a zen monk! He was interested in Magick, not merely >spiritual enlightenment. "Merely" spiritual enlightenment? Look, if you want to do magick, that's fine. If you want to teach it that is fine. If you wish to have students, that is also well and good. All dandy. No problems on that end. But pursuing it for the purposes of your own gain and for the purposes of learning how to make demons do your bidding really isn't very fucking noble, and it doesn't make Crolwey a helluva guy. >money, and Secret Thoth T-shirts. If you are going to rail against him, >don't rail against something he never claimed to be. I'm not. Sorry you refuse to see it. But these things aren't black and white. >No, not really. If I see Buddha on the road, I will make him a nice >sandwich and ask him to explain why Keanu Reeves was chosen to portray >him. . . . Well what I meant, Mr. Jokester, was that people who claim amazing enlightenment usually haven't really got much. So you're better off ignoring them and finding your own way through the woods. Not Crowley's, not Thoth's, not Quail's, not John Norman's. YOUR OWN. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:27:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: chord (actually key) coloring > Terry gets chordal textures like a cloth G and a metallic D. (or was > D glass, Terry?) I'm surprised anyone remembers that. Later analysis revealed that my testing methods (play an "Am" and mutter to yourself "yeah, wood" a few times. Repeat for other chords) were somewhat inaccurate and more a result of wishful thinking than any real correlation. Sorry about that. Wonder if different temperaments have different brightnesses... np-The West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band-Part 1 & Vol 2. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #269 *******************************