From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #268 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, July 13 1998 Volume 07 : Number 268 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: T-shirt update V7 #263 [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dign] Re: Revelling in evil [Eb ] chord (actually key) coloring [nicastr@idt.net (Ben)] Re: Revelling in evil [hal brandt ] Re: Revelling in evil [amadain ] Re: Revelling in evil ["Bret" ] NYC fegs: D-E-E-E-A-A-A-A-N-N-N-!-! [lj lindhurst ] Re: Revelling in evil [amadain ] Children of Lost Cities [Mike Runion ] Re: Revelling in evil [Jason Thornton ] Re: Children of Lost Cities [Aaron Mandel ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #265 [edoxtato@ssax.com] Re: Revelling in evil [amadain ] regarding the 3:00... 0% RH [JudeHayden@aol.com] Re: Revelling in evil [hal brandt ] Re: Revelling in evil [amadain ] Re: Revelling in evil (also long and also probably boring :)) [Aaron Mand] Re: chord (actually key) coloring [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Revelling in evil [Sean Hennessey ] Re: John McLaughlin. [M R Godwin ] Re: chord (actually key) coloring [Ross Overbury ] Re: Revelling in evil (also long and also probably boring :)) [amadain Subject: Re: Revelling in evil Susan: >In fact, I cannot think of a film rated NC-17 for violence alone, offhand. Wasn't Natural Born Killers rated NC-17 for violence, until a few crucial edits were made at the last minute? Which earned her a chuck on the chin and three frowns. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 02:23:23 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: chord (actually key) coloring >dark green's a nice energetic colour, but a lot of Robyn's songs are in D, >which ISTR is bright blue How do other people see keys, or are Robyn and I the only ones? I see it like this... A/Ab/Am = blue B/Bb/Bm = red C = yellow C#m = white D/Dm = blue/green Db = no color E/Eb/Em = white F = brown F# = red Fm/F#m = black G/Gm = green ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:39:06 -0600 From: hal brandt Subject: Re: Revelling in evil > >In fact, I cannot think of a film rated NC-17 for violence alone, offhand. > > Wasn't Natural Born Killers rated NC-17 for violence, until a few crucial > edits were made at the last minute? So was David Lynch's "Wild At Heart" before Lynch agreed to blur a graphic scene of a self-inflicted, Cobain-like shotgun blast to the head. /hal np-Grateful goddamn Dead ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:50:55 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Revelling in evil >Susan: >>In fact, I cannot think of a film rated NC-17 for violence alone, offhand. > >Wasn't Natural Born Killers rated NC-17 for violence, until a few crucial >edits were made at the last minute? Hence the word offhand, in order to convey the impression that I thought there might be such a possibility, but did not know at that moment. The word offhand was not tossed in there, uh, offhandedly. Interesting to note that they in fact, did for the cuts in order to get an R. Very few films I can think of -offhand- (again) actually stuck with the NC-17 they were originally given, and in most of the cases I've read about it only took a few seconds chopping to get them back down to R (the time amount that things are shown does also make a difference between NC-17 and R, as 1 minute of tit is much more harmful to children than 20 seconds :)). I believe "The Cook The Thief His Wife and Her Lover" was one such. I remember at that time there was an effort afoot to ban it in Dallas (where I lived the summer it was released) and probably other places. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:17:25 -0500 From: "Bret" Subject: Re: Revelling in evil >I believe "The Cook The Thief His Wife and Her Lover" was one such. I >remember at that time there was an effort afoot to ban it in Dallas (where >I lived the summer it was released) and probably other places. I don't recall any attempt to ban *the film* (great wonderful disturbing film btw) but I do remember an attempt to close down the Inwood Theatre 'due to such unmoral films being shown' there........I saw the cook..... the same week that Citizen Kane showed there (go figure)....... BTW what were you doin in Dallas then? - --b ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:53:17 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: NYC fegs: D-E-E-E-A-A-A-A-N-N-N-!-! Anyone besides me and Mr. Gallinaceous going to see Luna for free on Thursday evening at Castle Clinton downtown? (I'll be the one screaming Dean's name and crying/fainting/crying/peeing-in-my-pants in front of the stage. This should get his attention.) Anyone going to see a little band called Neutral Milk Hotel at the Mercury Lounge on the 25th? How about the World's Most Sarcastic Listmeister? Or do you agree with Tom Clark's inscription on your CD case that plainly and effectively proclaims, "This sucks" ??? Any D.C. area fegs that do not have tapeworms are welcome to crash at our place, by the way... l "conspicuously quiet" j ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:10:49 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Revelling in evil >I don't recall any attempt to ban *the film* (great wonderful disturbing >film btw) but I do remember an attempt to close down the Inwood Theatre 'due >to such unmoral films being shown' there........ I remember seeing an article in the Times-Herald about a woman who was attempting to lead a moral crusade to get it banned, so I know that there were such underway. And yes, I do also recall the efforts to close the Inwood down. I wonder if such efforts also included the UA cine. I recall that when Derek Jarman's "Edward II" was playing at the Cine, my grandmother wanted to go see it, as she seemed to be under the impression that this was some sort of "Masterpiece Theater", "high culture", sort of movie. It was with great panic that I warned her away, as she would have been severely freaked out by it :). >BTW what were you doin in Dallas then? I was raised there and my parents still live there. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:56:30 -0700 From: Mike Runion Subject: Children of Lost Cities Hey all, I saw "The City Of Lost Children" this weekend on video, based mostly on its mention here on the feglist, and was duly inpressed. We've got a french exchange student staying with us for the month of July, so it was sorta cool watching it with him. He'd never seen it before either. I take it this team's first movie was "Delicatessan"...haven't seen it. Can anyone fill me in on the details of that one? If it's anything like CoLC, I'd love to see it. What else have these guys done? Mike (thrilled to have found another lush Brazil-ish movie!) - -- Mike Runion Cocoa, FL, USA /******************************************************************\ | VCM: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/cones.htm | | Fegmaps: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/fegmaps | | Spoken Word Tape: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/wordtape.htm | \******************************************************************/ "Wait a minute. Time for a Planetary Sit-In!" - Julian Cope ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:21:36 -0700 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Re: Revelling in evil At 10:11 PM 7/12/98 -0700, Eb wrote: >Susan: >>In fact, I cannot think of a film rated NC-17 for violence alone, offhand. > >Wasn't Natural Born Killers rated NC-17 for violence, until a few crucial >edits were made at the last minute? As was "True Romance," until they edited down some of the violence involving the Patricia Arquette character (including the fact she shot and killed the cop played by Chris Penn). The violence between all the men was Okie-dokie, so they left all that in. Well, they also cut some choice dialouge between Gary Oldman and Samuel L. Jackson... I don't think that even made it into the NC-17 version though. - --Jason ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:23:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Children of Lost Cities On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Mike Runion wrote: > I take it this team's first movie was "Delicatessan"...haven't seen it. > Can anyone fill me in on the details of that one? If it's anything like > CoLC, I'd love to see it. What else have these guys done? not that i mind a chance to talk about the Jeunet brothers, but if you don't already know about www.imdb.com, check it out. makes it quite unnecessary to have one of those paperback movie guides. anyway, those are the only two movies they've done aside from Alien 4. Delicatessen is a bit less visual than CoLC, but one does not leave saying "oh, the story isn't really the point" to such a degree. i prefer it. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:19:22 -0500 From: edoxtato@ssax.com Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #265 Terrance said: >I don't know if Colin Bluntstone did anything else. Anyone? Um, he had a few guest appearances on various Alan Parsons albums, but that's about all I know. - -Doc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:01:45 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Revelling in evil >As was "True Romance," until they edited down some of the violence >involving the Patricia Arquette character (including the fact she shot and >killed the cop played by Chris Penn). The violence between all the men was >Okie-dokie, so they left all that in. Very telling, that :). Anyway, these were all edited down in order to make R ratings, and actually in "True Romance" I believe there was some sexual content that had to be edited, or at the least, the combination of the gore and just-barely-passable-in-and-of-itself nudity was a factor. Can anyone think of anything rated NC-17 for violence only that was not edited down for this purpose? I seem to remember that "Henry, Portrait of a Serial Killer" was actually released as NC-17, but I could be thinking of the video version and not the release that played in theaters, as I didn't see it in a theater. It seems to me to be a sort of, well, not technically censorship, but pretty damn close, as basically the NC-17 rating is a commercial kiss of death and few people are willing to risk releasing a film with it. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:48:47 EDT From: JudeHayden@aol.com Subject: regarding the 3:00... 0% RH Hi all- In response to Terrence's post, yes I'd highly recommend Sixteen Tambourines also- going earlier in the Three O'Clock's repertoire from wherever you are is always the safest. "Ever After", the album after "Arrive..." is pretty standard late 80's cheese pop, and the Paisley Park final album "Vermillion" is very weak. Despite the fact that Jason Falkner was a group member at the time (in fact, his only composition on the album is just about the worst song of them all). Terrence- do you actually have "Arrive w/o Travelling" on CD? I've been looking for that forever... maybe we could trade something? I don't even have my cassette copy anymore... Doug- are you sure the Three O'Clock did a version of "Lucifer Sam"? I have not one but 2 copies of "16" on CD and neither has this cut. Are you _maybe_ confusing the Lightning Seeds version? Ian Broudie did, after all, produce a couple of 3:00's albums... See ya, Jude ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:13:02 -0600 From: hal brandt Subject: Re: Revelling in evil > I seem to remember that "Henry, Portrait of a Serial Killer" was > actually released as NC-17 It was actually released without a rating attached. It is officially UNRATED. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:45:51 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Revelling in evil >> I seem to remember that "Henry, Portrait of a Serial Killer" was >> actually released as NC-17 > >It was actually released without a rating attached. >It is officially UNRATED. Interesting. I had forgotten that participation in the system is technically voluntary. Thanks for reminding me :). The reasoning behind this would be that there was no way to release it as anything but NC-17 as is, and the filmmakers did not wish to alter it or to take that rating? Or was it a protest of some kind? I know very little about it. I would think though that those are usually the motivations behind releasing films unrated. In any event, how does that affect distribution, I wonder? I don't know very much about the film except of course that I thought it was quite good. And that since it was filmed in Chicago and environs I recognized some places, which made for very uncomfortable close-to-homeness. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:35:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Revelling in evil (also long and also probably boring :)) On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, amadain wrote: > You can also choose to study the advertising you watch, take it it apart, > look at the symbolism, look at what emotions it is designed to play on, &c. true, but most people don't. and a lot of people aren't really aware they could. and as you point out, advertising is more effective on such people. (actually, you said advertising is less effective on people who DO take it apart -- hope you don't think i'm twisting your words.) advertisers certainly have some responsibility for the ads they make, somewhat akin to the fact that you can be busted for fraud even if your victims should have known it was a scam. not positive i'm disagreeing with what anyone has said here. > What I ACTUALLY was arguing, if I recall correctly, was that it didn't make > the decisions FOR people, and that people don't become serial killers > because they saw them on TV and thought it would be cool, they're unhinged > to begin with and any inspiration would have done. the question, for me, is whether they could have unhingedly latched onto something that would leave fewer people dead. all those NBK copycat murderers, would they have just gone out and robbed banks if Point Break had caught their fancy instead? and if so, why WAS it one film and not the other? as a society, we either don't have the resources, or the knowledge, or the will right now to help everyone who's unhinged. a lot of us also agree that even if certain movies are obviously going to be triggers for some people's dangerous impulses, censoring them outright isn't the way to go. > In fact, I cannot think of a film rated NC-17 for violence alone, offhand. Henry: Portrait Of A Serial Killer was unrated in US theater release, i think. i'm told -- might be wrong -- that unlike "X", "NC-17" can't be given without sending a movie to the MPAA. don't know what the intent of this change is... perhaps they feared that adult theaters would advertise their films as being "triple NC-17!!", unlikely as that is. i saw Henry Fool this weekend and was surprised at how much sex there was. there's no nudity, which i suspect is why the rating stuck -- and to me, that seems downright pathological. people thrusting against each other, grimacing and moaning, is sexual. i don't agree with the MPAA's attitude toward sexuality in movies but for nudity to be the benchmark is just wrong. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:36:34 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: chord (actually key) coloring In a message dated 7/12/98 10:22:01 PM, you wrote: <> I don't see them in colors, but, once I got to thinking about it, I realized that I think of keys based on what the tonic/root/"one" chord sounds like on my acoustic guitar. . . and C Major on an acoustic guitar sounds a lot different than it does on a piano. I started thinking that C Major on a piano sounds white (which is probably just due to the all-white-keys thing), whereas, on acoustic guitar, it sounds brown. So, at this point, I gave up. Isn't there supposed to be some way of developing perfect pitch that's based on thinking of different keys as different colors? Some ad in the back of a comic book or Guitar World Magazine? It seems like a reasoable way of thinking to me, except for the fact that different instruments have suck markedly different timbres (or "tonal colors"). Hmmm. . . - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:36:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Hennessey Subject: Re: Revelling in evil Jason Thornton previously wrote: > As was "True Romance," until they edited down some of the violence > involving the Patricia Arquette character (including the fact she shot and > killed the cop played by Chris Penn). The violence between all the men was > Okie-dokie, so they left all that in. The bits that were edited were actually from the scene involving Patricia and the mafia thug in the California hotel, I believe. The scene where she nails him in the foot with the nail sissors. In the undedited version she goes on to shoot him (with a shotgun?) multiple times, way more than would actually be needed to kill the b*stard. This was considered gratuitous. I believe there was some trimming as well in the finale, as you described, but it was the repetions that were the main point, and were ultimately whittled down to the one (or two) shots. Rather similar to what happened in Robocop, I believe. The scene where they introduce the ED2000 and it goes on to kill the corporate suit who is asked to point a gun at it. Originally the shooting of the 'suit' was to last over a minute, but the censors thought tha gratuitous and told them to edit it out. Ironically, the original, which was supposed to make a statement about violence and to take it into semi-humourous surreality was made all the more vicious and nasty by the editing. Typical censorship errors, really... :) tara - Sean '1998 was a bad year for English football. It was the year David Beckham was villified.' ******************************************************************************* Sean Hennessey, President of Boston Reds, http://members.tripod.com/~boston_reds/ Member and co-admin of the Red Devils list: red-devils@pipeline.com e-mail: suggs@tiac.net or giggs@tiac.net ICQ: 9288628 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:53:14 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: John McLaughlin. On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Terrence M Marks wrote: > A few days ago, when I a pizza deliveryman noticed my electric bass guitar > and asked what sort of music I played. I said that it was late 60's > California psychedelic, rather like Spirit or the Electric Prunes (if > anyone who has a copy of GF has a better description, I'd really dig > hearing it.) He nodded in recognition, said I was rather young to have > heard of those bands, and suggested that I check out John McLaughlin (sp?) This is really a very bizarre comparison. McLaughlin is an out and out jazz-rocker who specialises in those 90 m.p.h. speed riffs in 17/11 time - totally non-psychedelic. The only thing of his I've ever appreciated is a band called Shakti where he plays with Indian musicians. Apart from the Mahavishnu albums that other people have mentioned, he plays on 'Love devotion surrender' with Carlos Santana, and on at least one album with Tony Williams' Lifetime. But unless you are well into Miles Davis and Weather Report, steer clear! - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 98 12:54:06 EDT From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: chord (actually key) coloring Micheal sead: > > > In a message dated 7/12/98 10:22:01 PM, you wrote: > > <> > > I don't see them in colors, but, once I got to thinking about it, I > realized that I think of keys based on what the tonic/root/"one" chord sounds > like on my acoustic guitar. . . and C Major on an acoustic guitar sounds a lot > different than it does on a piano. I started thinking that C Major on a piano > sounds white (which is probably just due to the all-white-keys thing), > whereas, on acoustic guitar, it sounds brown. So, at this point, I gave up. We've been here before. I don't equate keys with colours, but I wonder whether it's got more to do with inversions and the timbre of the strings at different lengths and tensions than the notes themselves. Terry gets chordal textures like a cloth G and a metallic D. (or was D glass, Terry?) If you play a brown chord up at the top of a piano where everything goes "chink chink" is it still brown? How about barre chords? Within the same barre form they sound pretty much the same to me, until you get so high up the neck that the string timbre changes significantly. Does G have the same colour played open, as a barred G on the 12th fret, as a barred E on the 3rd ...? Now detune your guitar a semitone tone. Same colours for the same finger positions, or for the same absolute notes? > Isn't there supposed to be some way of developing perfect pitch that's > based on thinking of different keys as different colors? Some ad in the back > of a comic book or Guitar World Magazine? It seems like a reasoable way of > thinking to me, except for the fact that different instruments have suck > markedly different timbres (or "tonal colors"). Hmmm. . . Ack! You mean that guy with the piano teeth and the hippie wig! Stay away from him -- I think it's a front for a religious cult. PS: Could Jeme or some other horn person tell me why horns in Caribbean music and some African music sound sort of detuned? NP: Green coconut and basil curry. I'd give it a D minor. Yum! - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:31:25 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Revelling in evil (also long and also probably boring :)) >true, but most people don't. and a lot of people aren't really aware they >could. and as you point out, advertising is more effective on such people. >(actually, you said advertising is less effective on people who DO take it >apart -- hope you don't think i'm twisting your words.) No, not really. We're saying the same thing. I was mainly stating that because I was slightly miffed at a certain implication that I was blind to the way "media" might affect people in general, or me personally, and wanted to correct that assumption should it be present (though actually I'm not sure where it would have come from, as I never said such a thing). I agree that it's not a possibility that most people are aware of. I probably wouldn't be quite as keen on it myself if I hadn't taken a class on it, and also read John Berger's "Ways of Seeing" (excellent book!) at some point in high school, on a teacher's recommendation. >advertisers certainly have some responsibility for the ads they make, >somewhat akin to >the fact that you can be busted for fraud even if your victims should have >known it was a scam. Of course, and that's as it should be. My argument would be though that that doesn't give us an excuse to be passive consumers, and that we do bear some responsibility ourselves for what we choose to accept or not, but I don't see you disagreeing with that premise. >the question, for me, is whether they could have unhingedly latched onto >something that would leave fewer people dead. all those NBK copycat >murderers, would they have just gone out and robbed banks if Point Break >had caught their fancy instead? and if so, why WAS it one film and not the >other? Why was it anything at all, is the question for me. Serial killers are not a new 20th century phenomenon. People like Peter Kurten were obviously not inspired by anything like "Natural Born Killers" :). In fact IIRC, he didn't really cite any kind of direct inspiration, artistic or literary, for his actions. There are also are those, like the "Yorkshire Ripper" (ok, so maybe I know a little much about this subject :)) who are mainly influenced by the Bible and contorted interpretations thereof. And someone like Dahmer, who was influenced by similarly contorted interpretations of scenes from "Star Wars", for example. So it seems to me that this kind of mind can potentially latch onto ANYTHING, it's just that something that is explicitly violent is for obvious reasons a more -likely- choice, but far from being the only choice. >as a society, we either don't have the resources, or the knowledge, or the >will right now to help everyone who's unhinged. That's definitely true. There's still so much that isn't understood, and of course, resources are of necessity limited. >that even if certain movies are obviously going to be triggers for some >people's dangerous impulses, censoring them outright isn't the way to go. I'm not sure that any one thing is CLEARLY more obvious than another. To me the nature of it seems pretty random. Something like NBK may suggest a blueprint more readily than Star Wars would, but that's really the only difference. >this change is... perhaps they feared that adult theaters would advertise >their films as being "triple NC-17!!", unlikely as that is. *laugh* I think actually the concern was exactly that- the X had come to be associated so closely in people's minds with porn, that some feared the NC rating would actually come to the same fate, though I agree it seems pretty odd. >that seems downright pathological. people thrusting against each other, >grimacing and moaning, is sexual. i don't agree with the MPAA's attitude >toward sexuality in movies but for nudity to be the benchmark is just >wrong. Well, uh, yeah, it's a bit ridiculous, but then it's not surprising I'd think so, is it? :) Love on ya, Susan P.S. apropos of absolutely nothing- does anyone else find Natalie Imbruglia completely annoying? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:31:35 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: chord (actually key) coloring See, Ross just listed a million more reasons why I would have a hard time associating any one key/chord with any one color/texture/appliance/car/vegetable/Baywatch cast member. There are just too many variables to say that Ab Major sounds like a Honda Civic, while f# minor is much more like David Hasselhoff. On the other hand, that's also one of the best things about music: You get all those different chord phrasings going, plus an assortment of different instruments, plus the unique quality of a human voice on top of all that, and you end up with a lot of songs that sound different, even though they could be analyzed as similar in certain ways (same chord progression, same tempo, similar lyrical themes, etc.). In fact, it's almost amazing -- when you think about all the different possible variables there are within the construction of a song -- that SO MANY songs can be so cooky-cutter. While it's probably pretty difficult to write a song that isn't at least somewhat reminiscent of at least one part of another song, it would seem like you'd really have to try to write a song that sounds exactly like every other song that's on the radio or in the dance clubs. I mean, you'd really have to be studious about it. It seems weird to me when I think about it like that -- like those people who are experts at replicating great wroks of art. . . it seem like it would be *much easier* to create something original (or, at least, not wholly *un*orininal). Snack food for fleeting thought. - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 98 13:46:29 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: From the Resident Billy Bragg Fanatic Eddie sez, in reference to the Bragg/Wilco "Mermaid Avenue" CD: > quail, you're the >resident billy bragg fanatic. what thinks ye? Hmmmm . . . this is the first time I have ever been called *that,* but I shall grimly set down my Engels and pause my pirated copy of "John Wesley Harding Sings Maoist Spirituals" to answer this. . . First of all, I have not yet bought the CD, but I did see Bragg and Wilco perform the whole thing live. It is definitely not very Billy Bragg sounding; it sounded to me much more in the Wilco vein. Very straight-forward rock and roll rhythms to the accompaniment of a full Midwest American Rock Band sound. Truthfully, not being a big fan of that sort of music, I was lukewarm to the whole thing, but LJ really liked it a lot. (Wilco is also from her home town, so that may be a factor there - -- kind of the way I will defend Live against all attacks. . . .) Other than Billy's voice, I would hardly have connected it to the Bragg style; but he does have a fun time with the songs, which are all very simple and rustic sounding to these chord-counting ears. I mean, I certainly didn't *hate* it or anything, and I will probably pick it up if I see it second-hand. Of course, there is a song in there about Unions, and another about Woman's Rights, so that should score some points on the old Capitalism Blowometer. . . . - --The Quail, going back to his copy of Foucault's "Evil is Everywhere so Just Accept It." - ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | Literature Site - The Libyrinth: TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth www.rpg.net/quail | Vampire Site - New York by Night: riverrun Discordian Society | www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #268 *******************************