From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #265 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, July 11 1998 Volume 07 : Number 265 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: annoying clippety-cloppety brainfry beat [dlang ] Re: zombified [Terrence M Marks ] Re: Gothics and Deadheads and Fegs, oh my! [Terrence M Marks ] Re: annoying clippety-cloppety brainfry beat [Eb ] Re: Subject [KarmaFuzzz@aol.com] Re: annoying clippety, etc ( folk goths) [dlang ] Darkness [Thomas Whitley ] Re: Gothics and Deadheads and Fegs, oh my! [Ross Overbury ] Re: annoying clippety-cloppety brainfry beat [Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: annoying clippety-cloppety brainfry beat This is my last rejoinder to Eb on the subject of the dead ever. If I break my promise I want all of you to flame me mercilessly ok? let me preface this by saying that I don't give a stuff about whether all other list members hate the dead or not. It s not the issue, what IS the issue is these derogatory remarks that Eb makes without even knowing much of the bands repertoire. I think some people don't really read our posts half the time, because they seem to think Ben and I are saying you have to like the Dead, in fact I can see why lots of people hate them, and thats fine by me, just don't put us all into the stereotypical basket, its narrow minded and a pain in the ass. I said, Ever heard Pigpen do a good "Turn on your lovelight" or >"Midnight Hour "from the 60's or 70's ?." And good ole Vinnie came back with this classic one liner which had me rolling on the floor. >No, thank god. Well Vinnie, then once again , you can't make any sort of informed comment.This is like me trying to make a critique of NMH after only hearing one or two songs , or seeing one show. Face it Eb, you are just sodding biased .Why you find it necessary to indulge in constant nasty niggling remarks about the dead beats me, but I think it must be due to some basic deep flaw in your personality. How you can be any sort of good critic beats me, as objectivity is needed at least some of the time ( but then anyone who quotes Dave Marsh to back up their views has to be desperate). You hate the dead like some people hate other races, with an unflagging," ignore any evidence to the contrary because I am right "attitude that does you no real credit. >Interesting that so many of the songs you listed were covers. But then >again, I guess even Deadheads know better than to defend the Dead based on >songwriting. I can easily do so and I will quote you Elvis Costello and some of the other muso's who thought many of the deads songs were classics. Elvis Costello: " Now i dig them not only for everything that people think they are, but also for the elements that are sometimes overlooked, such as having written *many *beautiful ballads" Lyle Lovett. "Friend of the devil is one of my favourite songs" Indigo girls. "recording a Grateful Dead song is such a wonderful experience because of the free spiritedness of their music, its made us even bigger fans than we were before." Warren Zevon "You haven't lived till you've swung with the dead. Jerries a bona fide genuis" David Lindley. "Casey jones, such a good tune" Bruce Hornsby "For me , its about the songs, they have 50 to sixty great songs. These guys are great songwriters and there are a lot of people who feel that way, a lot of musicians, a lot of their peers who feel the same way I do." Bob dylan: " there are lot of spaces between the carter family, Buddy holly and , say Ornette coleman,a lot of universes, but Garcia filledthem all " Lee Ranaldo-sonic youth: "Some Dead shows still stand out as amongst the best I've ever attended anywhere., ever.I admired most the willingness to go into unexplored teritory of the music- sound realm on a nightly basis and to see where it took them." Mojo guide to psychedelia The other one -anthem of the sun. The grateful dead were always the furthest out but you couldn't hear how until 1968's Anthem of the sun. from the time the musicians talked about taping "heavy air" , this 12 minute sequence mixes the thunder of the dead in full flight with Phil Lesh's musique concrete and some georgeous guitar melody - about 7 minutes in which by itself justifies Garcia's reputation. A tour de force of editing and cross fading , it carries the ambience of the moment like nothing else." A pretty reaonable cross section of muso's who at least appreciate theat the dead could write songs. Elvis seems to really love their work,in facthe does a medley of Ship of fools and Must have been the Roses which is great. But of course Eb, you know best, they didn't manage to write one song in 30 years that you think could pass muster. .Now lets look at cover tunes Hell, its pointless even trying to have a balanced discussion with to someone who is *so* blinkered about this but here goes. The dead did lots of covers , which came out of their background as a blues based covers band.Also, because they tried to play a different set every night, they just could not write enough songs to fill the gap, so covers stayed in the act.However, these songs were drawn from a 30 year period, so many of these songs would be infrequently played or had been dropped from their repertoire in the final years. I mentioned these tracks because they were the ones which did not tend to develop into spacey jams, which was the point you were originally making, that they make you turn your brain off because they are simply a blissed out hippie space outfit.I could have mentioned others like Estimated Prophet, Miracle, Passenger, New Speedway Boogie, Foolish Heart, Might as Well, Day Job, Cumberland Blues,loose lucy , etc, which are all medium to uptempo rockers and originals . As usual , you just resort to insults when you can't argue from experience, which in this case you can't because you haven't got the background knowledge.You just make blanket assertions and rely on good old sarcasm to pull you out of the mire you got yourself stuck in. >Right. And yet, the Dead are a great band. Yeah, the only great band in >music history who never made a great record, despite all the technology and >money in the world at their fingertips. Mm-hmm... Once again, you forget the background,when I said they *mostly* didn't cut it I was talking about making records that were laid back or spacey, you wanted rockers and I don't think the dead ever made what would be classed as an uptempo "Rock " album like the Airplane did (apart from the first studio album, which actually sounds as though they were on benny's when it came out. It only took three days to record but it is quite good ).However, if we allow for *that* then the dead made some wonderful records in the studio. Most notably Anthem of the Sun,,its very spacey so I didnt include it in my earlier post.There is a very good video about the making of this and "American Beauty" on the series "Classic Albums",which is well worth a watch to see the studio techniques used. Listen to Weir sing"Sugar magnolia " on that video and I defy you to say he can't sing well. Even David Crosby is on there praising the vocals.. Then there's Workingman's dead,American Beauty and almost all the live albums apart from Steal your face. Some of these have now been included in the top 100 album lists now that the dead are no more and they are finally being re-evaluated by the critics, -but not you or Dave Marsh - -right Eb? Remember the whole point of my post was that the dead did not generally play spaced out lulling music - something you have not been able to refute. In fact , if you can find me another band who played the variety of music -blues,folk, rock, country, freeform, reggae,experimental space music and improvisation *and* a different set list every night , I'd be somewhat surprised. Finally the major insult ! >Dave stroked his Jerry Garcia necktie and offered WAAAAAAHHHHHH I NEVER wear neckties or tie dye, that was WAY below the belt, we should fight a duel to preserve out honour. as the insulted one I chose weapon's .Your NMH cd's versus my triple europe 72 vinyl set at 20 paces , first to draw blood wins, I name the Quail as my second.but *Damnation *,distance prevents us from doing so.*%8%%!!+* Senor Vin I'm sorry ,but the ozzie insult session will have to be be postponed, as I just don't feel in the mood to gratify you in any way at all at the moment. Maybe later when you aim a barbed remark at someone else who I like ok? dave ( who likes Eb really and thinks he's an essential part of the list -* except *when he makes gratuitous dead insults for no reason, which seems to be frequently recently. What's up Vin, got a bad case of piles which are stirring up the anti dead genes? Or has the official dead insult season opened up in CA ?) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 04:21:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: zombified > i noticed that argent wrote a good number of the songs and assumed he > sang. clearly not the case. > > but maybe argent's writing is part of what draws me in. . . > > did he ever do anything else of note? > He had this band called "Argent" that was mildly famous. They don't sound anything like "Odessey and Oracle", but I'm rather fond of them nonetheless. I can't think how to describe them accurately presently. I don't know if Colin Bluntstone did anything else. Anyone? Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 04:26:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Gothics and Deadheads and Fegs, oh my! > An interesting experiment would be to start bashing Goth music and Goths in > general. Maybe it will get the same sort of response, if there are any > people who feel as strongly > about Goth music/culture as there are about the Dead. Or, maybe the > Deadheads here are the only ones with short fuses. :) Velvet Underground fans don't seem to have *that* much more patience than deadheads. (And neither do Kinks fans nor Beach Boys fans. Just try telling them that Preservation II was a genuinely bad album with production that took the worst of The Mamas and the Papas or that Mike Love might have some talent in some area...) Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 04:08:06 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Gothics and Deadheads and Fegs, oh my! >Velvet Underground fans don't seem to have *that* much more patience than >deadheads. I see your general point. However, there's not really a Velvet Underground subculture, or a Kinks subculture, but there IS a Dead subculture, and that does make a difference to the arguments. I like the Velvet Underground. If you make remarks about them that I disagree with, I'm going to argue, that's just that. That's sort of different from all of this "you're making these remarks because you know nothing of the band and just bashing them because of the stereotypes associated with the culture surrounding them" that seems to come up when someone doesn't like the Dead. Actually, I think it wouldn't come off - -quite- so annoying as it does if as Dave Lang did in his last post, you make it clear that you're arguing specifically with Eb, not everyone in the world who isn't a Dead fan, since most of the points addressed seem to deal specifically with Eb-related issues :). Incidentally, I don't recall the Velvet Underground discussion of awhile back containing so much vitriol. >(And neither do Kinks fans nor Beach Boys fans. Just try >telling them that Preservation II was a genuinely bad album You can tell me that and I'd agree. Perhaps a line should also be drawn between fan and fan-atic. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 02:30:13 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: annoying clippety-cloppety brainfry beat Dave volleyed: >what IS the issue is these derogatory remarks that Eb makes without even >knowing >much of the bands repertoire. I've heard enough of the Dead's repertoire to know that I dislike the band. More than enough. I'm sure that if you tried real hard, you could dig up some Grateful Dead selections that I would find listenable. But would I want to hear them twice? Not bloody likely. I don't need to hear every note the band recorded to grasp the fundamental building blocks of their sound. And I don't like those blocks -- in fact, I find them rather repellent, for the most part. For instance, there is NO way that you could find me a vocal Dead passage which I'd like. Their singing curdles my stomach. Period. Even in those instances when Weir/Garcia *do* sound on-pitch and interested, their startling lack of anything resembling charisma or character sends me to the OFF switch, pronto. So, that leaves me with just their instrumental work. And my general attitude toward elongated, lookit-my-chops, arena-rock jammin' is well established by now. Face it, Dave, you're deeply immersed in the guitar-hero aesthetic, and I'm not. End of story. >This is like me trying to make a critique of NMH after only >hearing one or two songs, or seeing one show. Sheesh. If you came to a conclusion about NMH after seeing one show, I think that would be *perfectly* acceptable. And hey, when certain Fegfolk have said "Well Eb, I skimmed some Rufus Wainwright clips and I didn't like his style at all," did you hear me scoff "Oh, you just haven't heard the album all the way through, so you can't judge"? Noooo. >Why you find it necessary to indulge in constant nasty >niggling remarks about the dead beats me, but I think it must be due to >some basic deep flaw in your personality. Nice try at psychoanalysis, but no cigar. >I can easily do so and I will quote you Elvis Costello and some of the >other muso's who thought many of the deads songs were classics. Didn't you try this lightweight guess-which-musician-likes-'em argument LAST time? Or was that Brandt or Ben? Again, I say: Liking a musician's work in NO way convinces me that I would necessarily agree with his tastes in other artists. Incidentally, I happen to have a copy of Elvis Costello's top 10 of 1997. It was: 1. Bob Dylan/Time Out of Mind 2. U2/Pop 3. Ron Sexsmith/Other Songs 4. Radiohead/OK Computer 5. Allen Ginsberg/The Lion for Real 6. The Verve/Urban Hymns 7. Nina Simone/The Saga of the Good Life and Hard Times of Nina Simone 8. Portishead/Portishead 9. Charlie Haden & Hank Jones/Steal Away 10. Fairfield Four/I Could Hear Nobody Pray Now, I adore Elvis Costello. He's my all-time favorite songwriter, after Dylan. But looking at this list, hmm...we both ranked Dylan in our top 10. OK. But the only other albums here which I enjoy are The Lion for Real (does EC realize this is a reissue of a 1989 release?) and Portishead, and neither one of those are close to top-10 quality for me. Meanwhile, Radiohead, the Verve, Sexsmith and Fairfield Four are all on my dump pile. And I didn't even want to *hear* Pop, nor am I particularly interested in hearing a Nina Simone or Charlie Haden album. I love Costello, but I don't think our tastes don't mesh much beyond the obvious '60s influences. No biggie. Doesn't mean I shouldn't think his music is brilliant. >Indigo girls. >Bruce Hornsby Try again. >Then there's Workingman's dead,American Beauty and almost all the live >albums apart from Steal your face. Some of these have now been included >in the top 100 album lists now that the dead are no more and they are >finally being re-evaluated by the critics, -but not you or Dave Marsh >-right Eb? Bong & Blooz Boy magazine doesn't count. ;) And who are you kidding here? You're the one who already admitted that the Dead albums "don't really cut it." >Remember the whole point of my post was that the dead did not generally >play spaced out lulling music - something you have not been able to >refute. And you can't refute that the archetypal Deadhead image is some stoned dancin' fool flailing away in another world while the band plays. Those folks sure look lulled to me. And don't tell me that's just a stereotype, because I've seen concert footage. Those with black-and-white sets can more readily appreciate the insouciant way they take over national hoedowns such as The Smothers Brothers Show by placing themselves directly between their hosts and the camera. Eb np: Blonde Redhead/In an Expression of the Inexpressible PS Terrence, the Velvet Underground are not goth. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 02:35:50 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: annoying clippety-cloppety brainfry beat >I love Costello, but I don't >think our tastes don't mesh much beyond the obvious '60s influences. Oops, excuse the extra "don't." On a local level, they sing louder than Mike Douglas can talk and shatter the predictability of Clay Cole's Diskotek by lip-syncing "I Got Rhythm" to "My Mammy." Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 06:05:21 EDT From: KarmaFuzzz@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject In a message dated 98-07-10 10:25:44 EDT, gnat@umich.edu writes: > >And since we're on the subject of annoying things and authors we don't > >like, I figure I may as well bring up Oscar, whom I believe to be the > >worst writer in the English language and a real sick perv as well. > NOT Oscar Wilde, by the way... (this threw me for a moment). Oscar (sans > last name) is indeed a twisted little fuck, if I may say so myself, whether > or not s/he is for real. it probably has to do with living in a garbage can, and being green without being given a song to sing about it..... [they have sesame street, at least in some form, internationally now, right?] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:53:24 -1850 From: dlang Subject: Re: annoying clippety, etc ( folk goths) I cannot comment on Eb's last post about the dead because as a man of my word, I have promised not to . Aren't you all pleased ? I certainly am. Now if only Eb will do the same we can all relax, but I expect the piles will begin to act up some time and we will go through this tired old argument all over again. Regarding goths. we have folk goths over here> Are there any in the US? I walked into a whole pub full recently who were there to see a folk rock band called spiral dance . A VERY strange experience, a sea of black and frizzed hair listening to jigs and reels. At least you can't accuse them of being stereotyped in their listening. dave Np, gang of four compilation tape, to be followed by Shriekback , Oil and gold. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:11:32 -0400 From: Thomas Whitley Subject: Darkness my two cents on the writing from the dark side thing: i think many writers do it. i know i do. --tom rodebaugh A half pence more: My take on the dark side without the desire to be a Tom Robbins nemesis or a post dusk Tarantino acolyte, is that there are many levels of deeper conciousness. There is a volume to the universe that us mere mortals cannot and want not to comprehend. Perhaps if we sink deep within, possibly while we are truly sinking without we may find some truth. However i have found that the healing waters evaporate upon the reutrn to the surface, the mortal world. While the dark side can be very cleansing and can rejuvenate the soul, it does so in much more subtle ways than the depiction by modern media. Hatred, tragedy and violence aren' t the products of darkness, the land of sleep dreams and change. Tragedy, hatred and violence are the by products of life and activity. Exploring the dark side of human nature isn't about molesting a juvenile, its about the craving, the planning the rationale for doing so. It's not about the death toll in the latest driveby, its about the understanding that may arise from the senseless loss of human life, something that should be a naural complication for the perpetrator of such a deed. So much of Tarantino's work comes off as blase', but pulp fictions really puts the point across--the real (human) world is happening, solving problems by eliminating them, but the souls are in the darkness studying the human condition and learning, eventually arriving a some sort of understanding (i hate to use "enlightenment"). Our society uses darkness as the cover for evil, but it shouldn't be. Perahps thanks to Milton we remember with fear our darkest hour, though visions of horror can only happen in the light. Blood is warm and smooth in the dark as are other bodily fluids; it is only in the light that it is in crimson contrast with our frightened skin. As i age I am becoming more troubled by our terminology for the disasters that we see every day as well as he categorizaion of the conflict, the duality, the infinite dimension tha is the universe. The dark is the place of rumination and rest, it is the bed of the Styx, it is the land of birth and rebirth. Really it is in the light that the world seems to lose its sanity, where the wholeness of the universe is shattered into the colored beams of existance. Vision in the modern world can be something of a profanity. The cheating, stealing, killing and hating isn't about the dark side. The the plutonic yin of our universe isn't about bite anyone in he ass. And if one visits the darkness one must leave it if he is to accomplish anything. Hey tom, thanx for giving me a cue to elaborate on something that was bugging me. anybody like Concrete Blonde? The self-titled I.R.S. album usually brings me to the place I am talking about. brewer tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 98 9:49:33 EDT From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: Gothics and Deadheads and Fegs, oh my! RE: conformism in goths vs cloppeties > I'm going to > take a wild guess and say none of us on the list conform to that image, and > I'd reccomend to all who practice this prejudicial way of thinking to rush > to the hospital and get your head removed from your ass. Know what? I kinda like being part of this little group. I've got that trilogy by Mervyn Peake and Flan O'Brien's "At Swim Two Birds" set aside for my vacation. I've been losing myself in the haunting music of Neutral Milk Hotel the last couple of weeks. Emily Dickenson, John Wesley Harding, Julian Cope, .... I've rattled off the names before and if I had another coffee in me I'd do it again. To an outsider I'd seem spookily similar to the rest of you. That's fine with me; I think I've chosen my company well. "Everybody in this room is wearing a uniform and don't you forget it." - -FZ - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:58:08 -0600 From: hal brandt Subject: Re: Gothics and Deadheads and Fegs, oh my! > Ben wrote: > > > Knock, knock.... I believe he was trying to make clear that Deadheads > > aren't the only group of conformists out there in musical fandom. Christopher Gross wrote: > > Ehh, that's not the way I read his post, but you may be right. At any > rate, I was just seizing the opportunity to be a smart aleck; if it > sounded nasty, that wasn't my intent. No offense taken on your remarks, Christopher, but Ben's analysis of my remarks was quite correct. Whenever I see a stereotypical goth, I think of The Cure's song "Jumping Someone Else's Train". Whenever I see a stereotypical Deadhead doing the "dance", I always think of the song "Do The Hokey Pokey" and reflect on the sad fact of Jerry's virtual muteness (verbally) on stage due to the fact that he was hesitant to say anything that would be interpreted as gospel by the confused. I will never understand why music and fashion trends (and worse) go hand-in-hand for a lot of folks. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:46:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Natalie Jane Jacobs Subject: Deadheads vs. Goths, the final battle! For the record, I don't hate the Grateful Dead. I just have no particular use for them. I know all their fans aren't tie-dyed, dreadlocked sheep - I too have met the Quail. But you have to understand that I grew up in a town where every other car you see has a "We Miss You, Jerry" sticker on it and there's entire stores devoted to selling Deadhead paraphernalia. I just get a little tired of it sometimes. As for Goths, my mention of them in a previous post was merely a joking reference to the fact that I don't like wearing white. I don't really care about them one way or the other. And now I shall gracelessly remove myself from this dispute in the same way I gracelessly got myself into it. n. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:11:24 -0400 From: frater tot Subject: Re: annoy me! also sprach Bayard: >and the most annoying live song ever, >i got a message for you! it makes even the even-tempered woj scream in >mortal anguish! ah, but for all the wrong reasons. it's an alright song on the album and fine in moderation, but uncle bobby turned it into a novelty encore and beat it to a pulp. and the audience laps it up. that's what's annoying about it. +w ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:33:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: annoying clippety-cloppety brainfry beat On Sat, 11 Jul 1998, dlang wrote: > the issue is these derogatory remarks that Eb makes without even knowing > much of the bands repertoire. now hang on. i've heard an amount of music by the Dead equal in size to some other artists' entire careers, most of it chosen by a friend who specifically hoped to convert me. i don't remember which goddamn dates the tapes were from so i couldn't tell you if i've heard your particular favorites or not, but ENOUGH. i still don't like the band. but based on the amounts that other Dead-dislikers on the list have heard, i suspect you'd still say i haven't heard enough of their repertoire. i think the amount you need to hear to pass judgment on most musicians is a flat value, not a percentage. also, dave, if you could find it in your heart to add a few more carriage returns in your next post, it would be really cool. a ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:39:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Fuller Subject: from randi - mostly glass flesh and I'll be off-list for a few days Hi all you beautiful fegs, Just got presents from you kids! I will write personal email and stuff to each of you - but thank you... woj - how did you know I wanted those bottom line gigs? you are the webmaster g-d and an amazing guy - thank you. *sharkboy* - you are awesome - got glass flesh and monday's lunch - I'm listening to your take on *listening to the higsons* - you are a great guitar player - but I guess you know that - more personal comments will follow privately - but for now - thank you. and Carole - you will get a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong email from me - you are amazing - I don't even know what else to say except I will start reading "Lolita" a.s.a.p. - thanks for the pics too sweetie :} * * * * * * * * Now since no one is plugging Glass Flesh - then *I* will - There are tracks on here from fellow fegs - and others. Were I to make a Robyn compilation tape - I'd use the songs on Glass Flesh - they represent an excellent overview of Robyn's work. In fact - I may have to make a Robyn compilation of all these songs - I will do it when I get home one day soon... Vic Chesnutt is on this cd - doing a great take on "She Doesn't Exist Anymore" Mark Gloster *sharkboy* - is an awesome guitar player - does everyone know this - well - buy the cd and hear his guitar stylings on "Listening To The Higsons." James Dignan and the Beaker People do a great rendition of *serpent at the gates of wisdom* - there is a certain sound from NZ that envelopes this song - and makes it a standout - for a guy who makes music as a hobby, I'd say he has a great grasp on musicality {IMHO} It is refreshing to hear a woman singing *trash* I've always wondered which Robyn song I could do for a glass flesh compilation one day - and The Transparencies - from Ottawa, Ontario, Canada - (yay!) - do a neat version. *Airscape* - one of my fave RH songs - has lovely guitar, keyboards, and bass - done by *Happy Cactus & Other Rotting Flesh* - cool name btw :} *I Something You* done by Modest Mr. Brown - almost sounds like Robyn - except there is some kind of harmony going on...or two sets of vocals were mixed together - but it's cool! our own John Hedges does a serious take on *St. Petersberg* - great piano. *Track 16* - which says it is *Balloon Man* - is hysterically funny - I hope I'm not offending *Verge* who are from Kingtson, Ontario, Canada {yay again!} - I love it! I've never particularly liked *Love* even though Thomas Dolby played on it - but I dig the version here - sung by another female - know as Meat Ruiner - I like her version very much - especially the hiss ;} And last but not least - our own lovely Dolph Chaney - doing *Wax Doll/Cynthia Mask* live - I like your style Dolph - and how you just slip from one song into another :} So buy, buy, buy...contact Bayard or *sharkboy* - Mark Gloster - if you don't have it...we all should... except Eb - because *I know* he hasn't bought it because we'd like to know his comments and he wouldn't want to say anything bad...so remember all of you out there - *Eb is a sweetie* :} :} btw - it says there is a bonus track - You're So Repulsive - I'm probably missing the joke - but where is it? For more info check woj's feg site... * * * * * * * * Whew - that was a lot of typing and listening, and these are only my first impressions - I'll let you know about *sharkboy's* Monday's Lunch as soon as I can... Okay - I don't want to be gross or graphic in anyway at all - so I don't know quite how to put this delicately - 'cause I'm not really very subtle. But here goes - basically - there is a leak inside my intestines - from somewhere that didn't get sewed up properly - so I may be out of commission again for a bit - they have to do a mini-surgery on me at 1pm Toronto time on Saturday. It's okay - having had so many surgeries - it's happened before - but I also know from experience that I'm usually in a lot of pain afterwards - so - if y'all don't hear from me in a few days - that's why. Sarah - my other bestest friend in the world {other than Tim of course} - has said I can keep her laptop until further notice...so I will try to read the feg-digests - but you'll probably get catching-up-on-threads emails from me for a bit. So - wish me luck - I need it - oh look how convenient - they are ready to take me into the operating room...must go now... fading back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, Rand *what scares you most will set you free* - Robyn Hitchcock p.s. - Carole - Robyn *really* did work in a record store - but I truthfully do not know for how long - I don't think he'd lie to me ;} ...and my 31st b-day way Saturday, June 27th. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #265 *******************************