From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #264 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, July 11 1998 Volume 07 : Number 264 Today's Subjects: ----------------- from randi - sorry no Robyn content - just a quick BtVS question [Tim Ful] shorts stuff ["J. Katherine Rossner" ] Re: Shorts stuff [Ross Overbury ] dancing bears [hal brandt ] Robyn incognito in Olympia? [Carole Reichstein ] Re: annoying clippety-cloppety brainfry beat [nicastr@idt.net (Ben)] zombified [Thomas Rodebaugh ] ID at concerts,T's and stickers [Eleanore Adams ] Ed Wood if he could [Chris ] Re: zombified [Terrence M Marks ] Re: zombified [Thomas Rodebaugh ] Re: zombified [nicastr@idt.net (Ben)] Re: Gothics and Deadheads and Fegs, oh my! [Tom Clark ] Re: John McLaughlin. [Noah Shalev ] Re: Gothics and Deadheads and Fegs, oh my! [Christopher Gross Subject: from randi - sorry no Robyn content - just a quick BtVS question Hello all in fegland, If any of you ever watch the television show "Buffy The Vampire Slayer," could you let me know by private email. I'm trying to get them to endorse "The Crohn's and Colitis Foundation" as their official charity - and I'm almost there - but a letter campaign might end up being a necessity. I won't waste anymore bandwidth except to say - please - if you watch BtVS - - email me privately and I will explain the situation. Thanks Mr. Pointy for letting me post on such a non-Robyn related subject. And for those of you that laugh at the thought of the show - I have this blood/vampire thing - probably 'cause I've had over 400 blood transfusions - so I'm a vampire addict - plus I find the show hysterically funny... fading back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, Randi *what scares you most will set you free* Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:41:23 -0700 From: "J. Katherine Rossner" Subject: shorts stuff >From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer > J> (Now, can anybody tell me whence this peculiar tradition?) > >In many public schools -- including the one I suffered -- boys wear >shorts to about age 11, and then are allowed long trousers. Scottish >winters in shorts were no fun, let me tell you. Anyone say it's >character building, I'd have to say, 'Yer arse it is.' Oh, is *that* what it builds? :) Anyway, thanks for confirming the main point of what I was trying to say. I guess the rest was unclear: I understood that this is the tradition, but *why*? To me, and I suspect to many Americans, the connection between youth and having to wear shorts instead of trousers is not obvious, to say the least. Katherine - -- Ye knowe ek, that in forme of speche is chaunge Withinne a thousand yere, and wordes tho That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge Us thinketh hem, and yit they spake hem so. - Chaucer, "Troilus and Criseyde" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 98 17:06:03 EDT From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: Shorts stuff Katherine said: > To me, and I suspect to > many Americans, the connection between youth and having to wear shorts > instead of trousers is not obvious, to say the least. Not to older Americans. It was customary here in North America too a couple of generations ago. - -- Ross Overbury, whose father turns 80 next year Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:44:27 -0600 From: hal brandt Subject: dancing bears Ben wrote: > > >Hate the Dead for those mind-numbing jams, not because of the smelly > >Deadhead community. Natalie Jacobs wrote: > > Can I hate them for both reasons? (BTW, what the fuck do those stupid > dancing bears mean?) Owsley Stanley was nicknamed "Bear" and used to put those bears on his home lab-manufactured sheets of acid. Owsley was the first benefactor of the Dead. He bought them equipment and did the sound in the early days. Read Tom Wolfe's "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" for more info on Owsley. > the proto-Goth Now there's a bunch of costumed club-joiners worthy of contempt...the goths. Indignantly, /hal PS- I hate patchouli and tye-dye, but own all the Dick's Picks. n.p.-FISHBONE "Give A Monkey A Brain..." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:44:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: Robyn incognito in Olympia? ..responding to Randi's note... > > My dad said he'll bring everything to the hospital on Saturday - so it's > a second birthday for me! > Oh good! When's your *real* birthday? And in response to the "did Robyn live in Olympia??" rumor, she posted: > > Well, not exactly - I can't remember the timing - it was sometime after > he and Cynthia broke up and he met Michele - since she took the pics for > the single - but Robyn lived there for a little under a year - are you > ready for this - working in a record store. > > I kid you not. > He said not one single person ever recognized him...and that he was > horrible at his job. > Hey! Now wait a minute!! Ages ago, I heard that Robyn worked incognito in a record store in San Francisco..maybe in the late 80's? I think this is one of those Robynesque urban legends. He particularly seems to enjoy embellishing *this* one, the "terrible record store clerk" tale. Carole (hey, am I the only female here trying to imagine Robyn in short pants??) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:31:58 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: annoying clippety-cloppety brainfry beat >>Ever listened to a good "space" jam from the late 80's or early 90's ? >>The discordancy and exploration contained within some of these was >>engrossing, stimulating and anything but lulling...Also, >>I have never seen audiences dance as madly, or as continuously, as I >>have at dead shows. > >Sure, no kidding. Flailing their arms, wriggling their fingers, eyes >closed, head tossed about, swaying their hips...you know, with all the >mental effort poured into maintaining that "dance," some might say that >they're not listening to the music as closely. Mm-hmm. Not to mention the >high probability that they're stoned out of their minds.... I'd agree, a lot (as in a few thousand!) of the people at Dead shows weren't paying attention to the music. Many were either too wasted or just too busy socializing. But that's their loss, there were *some* people who were listening... >>Forget the fucking records, mostly they don't cut it. > >Right. And yet, the Dead are a great band. Yeah, the only great band in >music history who never made a great record, despite all the technology and >money in the world at their fingertips. Mm-hmm.... Actually, even the most jaded critics tend to give positive reviews to the "Workingmans Dead" and "American Beauty" albums. Also, technology and money are not the main criteria for making a great record. >>dave (taking over the indignant deadhead role from Ben for once). > >No no no, I granted that title to Brandt. Ben's the indignant chord-counter. ;) Don't forget "petulant child". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:37:15 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: dancing bears >> the proto-Goth > >Now there's a bunch of costumed club-joiners worthy of contempt...the >goths. Hehe... - - Petulant Child #1 (who just lucked out and found Curtis Mayfield's "Back To The World" in a record store, saving me the trip to CDnow!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:42:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Gothics and Deadheads and Fegs, oh my! On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, hal brandt explained Deadhead iconography to us and then went on to say: > > the proto-Goth > > Now there's a bunch of costumed club-joiners worthy of contempt...the > goths. Ooh, yeah! Tell it! One subculture good, other subculture bad. Now, what's your stand on coin collectors vs. stamp collectors? - --Chris np: Sisters of Mercy, "Sugar Magnolia" (cover) ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:29:53 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: a conundrum. In a message dated 98-07-09 16:30:48 EDT, you write: << here's a philosopical question for ya. is it possible to separate the measure of how good music is, from how much you like it? >> Absolutely! I'm a bit of a list-maker. . . Top 5's and stuff like that. Well, if I were to make 2 spearate lists of my Top 20 favorite albums of all- time and the 20 Most Important albums of all-time, those lists would look pretty different. Using "Sgt. Pepper's" again, that one would probably have to make my 20 Greatest list, simply due to its importance and the fact that's so often alluded to, referenced, revered, etc. On the other hand, "Rubber Soul" would be the Beatles album in my personal Top 20. While I can see how "SP" might be a more revolutionary album and while more people might favor it, I'm kinda tired of it and think it's over-arranged (which was kind of the point, I guess. . . but, anyway, we've done that one to death already). << if so, is this even necessary and how do you go about it? Would the Beatles have been as great if no one had ever heard them? >> Necessary? Hardly. Important to me as a fan of music? Yes! And, yeah, I think I would've found the Beatles just as great if they were some little indie band that only a few other people knew about. Then again, it'd be impossible to imagine what my musical tastes would've been like had they not been shaped by the Beatles. << would Elvis have been as great without his millions of fans? >> No, not *as* good. He was pretty cool, though -- up thru '69, anyway. << What makes music good, its intrinsic value or how people respond to it? >> Intrinsic value? Nah, it's just a bunch of notes. Music is *all* about how people respond to it. Obviously, people (especially en masse) overreact to some songs/groups/albums/rock-star-personas and a lot of music is consumed, and maybe even enjoyed, due to mere repetition or because so-and-so's friend thought thus-and-such musician was really cute. But I think that music, within a vacuum, can be either good or bad. It's not just how other people have built it up (or torn it down). Sometimes, when I'm listening to the Beatles, I try to listen objectively and strip away the legend that surrounds them. When I do, I find myself thinking and sometimes exclaiming, "They were a great band. They wrote great songs!" Simple as that. Song-for-song, no other band/artist has made me continually made me happy for as many years. Sorry to be going on and on so much about the Beatles. They just happen to be a good example for me to use here. - ------Michael K., who doesn't own any Beatles figurines or anything. I know you were all starting to wonder. Ask Jeme. He's been to my house. He'll tell ya. Really, it's true. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:48:38 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: Gothics and Deadheads and Fegs, oh my! >On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, hal brandt explained Deadhead iconography to us and >then went on to say: > >> > the proto-Goth >> >> Now there's a bunch of costumed club-joiners worthy of contempt...the >> goths. > >Ooh, yeah! Tell it! One subculture good, other subculture bad. Now, >what's your stand on coin collectors vs. stamp collectors? > > >--Chris Knock, knock.... I believe he was trying to make clear that Deadheads aren't the only group of conformists out there in musical fandom. Now, if you listen to Goth music does that mean you must dress or act a certain way? Of course not. But it seems a lot of people here think that if you like the Dead then you must be a tie-dye wearing, pot smoking hippie, and conform to all the other stereotypes that come with it. I'm going to take a wild guess and say none of us on the list conform to that image, and I'd reccomend to all who practice this prejudicial way of thinking to rush to the hospital and get your head removed from your ass. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:46:38 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: FS: Dan Bern 2-track Promo CD Hey, folks. I just traded in for a Dan Bern CD. It's a 2-track promo for "One Dance, Music from the motion Picture _Zero Effect_." It's got a single version (3:35) and an album version (4:57). I only have a dollar invested in it, which is all I'm hoping to get back out of it. I know a lot of you Fegs like 'im. Add $2 s/h to what you're expecting to pay if you live outside of Portland (or live in Portland but are too lazy to come pick it up). I won't check my email again until tomorrow, but I'll sell it to the first person who wants it (according to the time of posting). Post to me directly, of course. Thanks! - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:50:17 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: annoying clippety-cloppety brainfry beat Benned: >>Right. And yet, the Dead are a great band. Yeah, the only great band in >>music history who never made a great record, despite all the technology and >>money in the world at their fingertips. Mm-hmm.... > >Actually, even the most jaded critics tend to give positive reviews to the >"Workingmans Dead" and "American Beauty" albums. Yes, I'll concede this. But that's two Dead albums which are generally praised, out of how many total? And it was what, 25 years, that the band carried on afterwards without improving on those? And note that giving a record a "positive" review is far from saying it's "great"/"masterpiece"/"landmark," etc. Dead reviews of this nature aren't so easy to come by. In related news, I was reading the newspaper today and saw a big ad spread for a commemorative set of nine Jerry Garcia stamps. Woo! Good to know that Garcia is as shrewdly marketed as ever. [Fill in obligatory don't-lick-the-stamps joke.] Tonight's the big Bauhaus reunion show in LA. I'm skipping it, but if any SoCal fegs go, I'd be curious to hear a report. On television they look terrific in color. Eb, asking the musical question "Why listen to Workingmans Dead and American Beauty, where there's the Byrds, Dylan, Flying Burritos and the Band?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:16:28 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: annoying clippety-cloppety brainfry beat >Benned: >>>Right. And yet, the Dead are a great band. Yeah, the only great band in >>>music history who never made a great record, despite all the technology and >>>money in the world at their fingertips. Mm-hmm.... >> >>Actually, even the most jaded critics tend to give positive reviews to the >>"Workingmans Dead" and "American Beauty" albums. > >Yes, I'll concede this. But that's two Dead albums which are generally >praised, out of how many total? And it was what, 25 years, that the band >carried on afterwards without improving on those? > >And note that giving a record a "positive" review is far from saying it's >"great"/"masterpiece"/"landmark," etc. Dead reviews of this nature aren't >so easy to come by. Well, it's not easy to get a "masterpiece"-type of review for any artist. And I've read plenty of reviews (not written by Deadheads, as far as I know) of the Dead that are very positive. Not that any of that critical acclaim/disdain means anything.... >In related news, I was reading the newspaper today and saw a big ad spread >for a commemorative set of nine Jerry Garcia stamps. Woo! Good to know that >Garcia is as shrewdly marketed as ever. [Fill in obligatory >don't-lick-the-stamps joke.] Yeah, almost as shrewdly as Elvis Presley or The Beatles. I have a feeling Jerry Garcia is having trouble controling these marketing-type things, being that he is deceased... >Eb, asking the musical question "Why listen to Workingmans Dead and >American Beauty, where there's the Byrds, Dylan, Flying Burritos and the >Band?" Why not...? - - Petulant Dead-child ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:28:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Rodebaugh Subject: zombified just wanted to thank everyone for the scoop on the zombies. i scored rhino's reissue of odessey and oracle for around 11 dollars, and i'm impressed so far. i didn't know the singer was the keyboardist. . .maybe that's why i liked them to begin with. . . btw terry, argent sez in the liner notes that the mispelling is purposeful, yet doesn't explain what its purpose is. also, i had that particular monkee's album you recommend memorized when i was in junior high (ten years ago), but i never have been able to get into piper at the gates of dawn. what's wrong with me? tom p.s. does anyone besides me think that some recent stuff sounds like they were trying to make it sound like it was recorded in the sixties? parts of "ok computer" and also that walking on the sun song are my main pieces of evidence.. . . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:43:50 +0000 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: ID at concerts,T's and stickers This may be a really dumb idea...but it is cheap and disposable. In a conversation earlier this week people were discussing how to id fegs. Everyone wears red ribbons for aids, and blue for anti child violence, and pink for breast cancer. One could wear an orange ribbon for feg id. It is quick, disposable, does not make you stand out in a crowd as a groupie, and disposable if you do feel self conscious. Just a though.... eleanore n.p. - Tom Waites "Beautiful Maladies" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:57:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Subject: Ed Wood if he could >>I don't remember Ed ever actually wanting to be a female. He had the angora >>fetish, and liked to dress in womens clothes. But I dont' recall anyone >>saying he desired to change his sex. Not that there's anything wrong with >>that. > OH YES THERE IS. He was so caught up in getting is 'message' >out, he forgot to make a real movie!!!!! Have any of you actually >ever SEEN "glen or glenda"? Rent it and JUST TRY to watch it all the >way through.... Actually I have seen Glen or Glenda, and have watched it all the way through... TWICE!! I thought it was absolutely hysterical. Now I know Ed didn't intend it to be that way, but you must admit, it is totally unique. Hmmm.... it isn't good, but it sure is great! Anyone who'd put Criswell, Tor Johnson, and Bela Lugosi in a film can't be all bad. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 23:31:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: zombified On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Thomas Rodebaugh wrote: > > just wanted to thank everyone for the scoop on the zombies. i scored > rhino's reissue of odessey and oracle for around 11 dollars, and i'm > impressed so far. i didn't know the singer was the keyboardist. . .maybe > that's why i liked them to begin with. . . I thought Rod Argent played keyboards. Colin Bluntstone sang. (right?) > p.s. does anyone besides me think that some recent stuff sounds like they > were trying to make it sound like it was recorded in the sixties? parts > of "ok computer" and also that walking on the sun song are my main pieces > of evidence.. . . Those who control pop-culture are pushing retro onto us because they know what retro is and can manipulate it well. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 23:42:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Rodebaugh Subject: Re: zombified On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Terrence M Marks wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Thomas Rodebaugh wrote: > > > > > just wanted to thank everyone for the scoop on the zombies. i scored > > rhino's reissue of odessey and oracle for around 11 dollars, and i'm > > impressed so far. i didn't know the singer was the keyboardist. . .maybe > > that's why i liked them to begin with. . . > > I thought > Rod Argent played keyboards. > Colin Bluntstone sang. > (right?) you are correct. i noticed that argent wrote a good number of the songs and assumed he sang. clearly not the case. but maybe argent's writing is part of what draws me in. . . did he ever do anything else of note? tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:15:16 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: zombified >On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Terrence M Marks wrote: > >> On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Thomas Rodebaugh wrote: >> >> > >> > just wanted to thank everyone for the scoop on the zombies. i scored >> > rhino's reissue of odessey and oracle for around 11 dollars, and i'm >> > impressed so far. i didn't know the singer was the keyboardist. . .maybe >> > that's why i liked them to begin with. . . >> >> I thought >> Rod Argent played keyboards. >> Colin Bluntstone sang. >> (right?) > >you are correct. > >i noticed that argent wrote a good number of the songs and assumed he >sang. clearly not the case. > >but maybe argent's writing is part of what draws me in. . . > >did he ever do anything else of note? > >tom He headed a band, called "Argent" funny enough, after the Zombies. I've never heard them. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 98 21:47:26 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Gothics and Deadheads and Fegs, oh my! On 7/10/98 6:48 PM, Ben wrote: >But it seems a lot of people here think that if >you like the Dead then you must be a tie-dye wearing, pot smoking hippie, >and conform to all the other stereotypes that come with it. I'm going to >take a wild guess and say none of us on the list conform to that image You forget, oh petulant one, that some of us have been to Quail's house!! - -tc "having a petulant frenzy of my own right now, thankyouverymuch" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 09:13:19 +0300 From: Noah Shalev Subject: Re: John McLaughlin. Terrence M Marks wrote: > what albums of his do you-all reccomend? > I'd try the - electric guitarist. another oneis Bitds of Fire by Mahavishnu Orcestra, wherein he's the guitar player, and composed all peices. if youwant a live album. i realy like Friday night in san francisco. it is a trio - Al Dimeola; John McLaughlin; and Paco DeLucia. they play each other compositions together. and the mix is done with full panning - - meaning u can choose one of your speakersand hear one of them or two of them, leaving the third one aside. (unless your amp is licking of course)... I think that even if you don't find this to b 'your type' of music, you still find a lot of interestimg things in the technic and approach level. all the best noe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 02:24:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Gothics and Deadheads and Fegs, oh my! On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Ben wrote: > Knock, knock.... I believe he was trying to make clear that Deadheads > aren't the only group of conformists out there in musical fandom. Ehh, that's not the way I read his post, but you may be right. At any rate, I was just seizing the opportunity to be a smart aleck; if it sounded nasty, that wasn't my intent. Re: subcultural stereotyping, I kinda suspect that many people toss around the Deadhead stereotype not because they really believe it, but just in order to get a rise out of the Dead fans who don't fit it. (Same thing with the goth stereotype, although that one isn't mentioned on Fegmaniax as much as the Deadhead stereotype is.) Therefore, laughing or just ignoring it should be an effective anti-stereotype defense. Chris, just back from the Mojo Nixon show. "If you don't have Mojo Nixon, your store could use some fixin'." - --Dead Milkmen ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 02:18:09 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Some of us just don't like the Dead's music. Yes, Virginia, this is possible. >Re: subcultural stereotyping, I kinda suspect that many people toss around >the Deadhead stereotype not because they really believe it, but just in >order to get a rise out of the Dead fans who don't fit it. OH yes, oh yes, I verily believe so :). I personally am not much for the sport of button-pushing, but if I were I'd be having a field day with this. And you know, I don't like the Dead. I really don't. I don't care if I go to hell for it, either. At least I won't hafta listen to their "jazz" noodling all the time and their boring covers of songs I actually like in other incarnations (it was mean to do that to a Buddy Holly song, when he was dead and couldn't protest). Yes, I said boring, and meant it, and yes, I HAVE HEARD THE DEAD BEFORE and I HAVE HEARD MANY LIVE TAPES, so do not post telling me this is born out of complete and utter ignorance and that I need to hear them live, or this one particular song, or this one particular show, and I will then become enlightened. PLEASE!!!! STOP IT!!! I mean, there seems to have been the implication in a few posts lately that not liking the Dead means you don't like improvised music, don't understand the concept of jamming, have a very closed and narrow mind generally, and your momma wears combat boots. And that those of us who don't care for them are really just incredibly shallow folks who know nothing about music, who hate the stereotypical fans and probably haven't bothered to listen to the music at all, because it's just not POSSIBLE that anyone could not like this WONDERFUL GENIUS band. It's starting to read that way and I'm a little annoyed by it. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 03:29:40 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: Some of us just don't like the Dead's music. Yes, Virginia, this is possible. >>Re: subcultural stereotyping, I kinda suspect that many people toss around >>the Deadhead stereotype not because they really believe it, but just in >>order to get a rise out of the Dead fans who don't fit it. > >OH yes, oh yes, I verily believe so :). > >I personally am not much for the sport of button-pushing, but if I were I'd >be having a field day with this. > >And you know, I don't like the Dead. I really don't. I don't care if I go >to hell for it, either. At least I won't hafta listen to their "jazz" >noodling all the time and their boring covers of songs I actually like in >other incarnations (it was mean to do that to a Buddy Holly song, when he >was dead and couldn't protest). Yes, I said boring, and meant it, and yes, >I HAVE HEARD THE DEAD BEFORE and I HAVE HEARD MANY LIVE TAPES, so do not >post telling me this is born out of complete and utter ignorance and that I >need to hear them live, or this one particular song, or this one particular >show, and I will then become enlightened. PLEASE!!!! STOP IT!!! I mean, >there seems to have been the implication in a few posts lately that not >liking the Dead means you don't like improvised music, don't understand the >concept of jamming, have a very closed and narrow mind generally, and your >momma wears combat boots. And that those of us who don't care for them are >really just incredibly shallow folks who know nothing about music, who hate >the stereotypical fans and probably haven't bothered to listen to the music >at all, because it's just not POSSIBLE that anyone could not like this >WONDERFUL GENIUS band. It's starting to read that way and I'm a little >annoyed by it. > >Love on ya, >Susan How did you get that impression? :) But seriously, I (or any of the othe Dead fans here) are not trying to convince people to like them, or saying that if you don't like them there is something wrong with you. One point that I was trying to make is that people often go under the assumption that "Deadheads are brainless lemmings, so the band's music must be the same thing." It's just a pet peeve I have when people make assumptions like that, about the Dead or any other band/genre... If you don't like them, what do I care? Join the club, membership #1,000,000,000,000. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 03:47:49 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: Gothics and Deadheads and Fegs, oh my! >Re: subcultural stereotyping, I kinda suspect that many people toss around >the Deadhead stereotype not because they really believe it, but just in >order to get a rise out of the Dead fans who don't fit it. I imagine I'm not alone in this, but I consider that to be pointless and mean. If someone started making the same kind of stereotypes about a race or culture, a lot of people here would get pretty pissed off. It's all the same kind of antagonistic behavior. >(Same thing >with the goth stereotype, although that one isn't mentioned on Fegmaniax >as much as the Deadhead stereotype is.) Therefore, laughing or just >ignoring it should be an effective anti-stereotype defense. An interesting experiment would be to start bashing Goth music and Goths in general. Maybe it will get the same sort of response, if there are any people who feel as strongly about Goth music/culture as there are about the Dead. Or, maybe the Deadheads here are the only ones with short fuses. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 03:51:43 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: John McLaughlin. >Terrence M Marks wrote: >> > what albums of his do you-all reccomend? >> > >I'd try the - electric guitarist. another oneis Bitds of Fire by >Mahavishnu Orcestra, wherein he's the guitar player, and composed all >peices. >if youwant a live album. i realy like Friday night in san francisco. it >is a trio - Al Dimeola; John McLaughlin; and Paco DeLucia. they play >each other compositions together. and the mix is done with full panning >- meaning u can choose one of your speakersand hear one of them or two >of them, leaving the third one aside. (unless your amp is licking of >course)... I used to have the "San Francisco" album, but I eventually sold it. To me, there was a lot of high-speed soloing (on acoustic guitar, mind you!) and very little else, in terms of the compositions. But, a lot of people do seem to like the album. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #264 *******************************