From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #263 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, July 10 1998 Volume 07 : Number 263 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: calling names [Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer ] Re: annoying music [Ross Overbury ] Subject [Natalie Jacobs ] Re: romanticizing the blues or evil... [dlang ] The annoying dead life style [dlang ] Re: Those Annoying Crop Circles ( EB this means war!) [dlang ] re: conundrum [griffith ] from randi - catching up on five feg-digests [Tim Fuller ] Re: Subject [nicastr@idt.net (Ben)] Re: annoying music [Mike Runion ] RH compilation appearance [Mike Runion ] Re: Those Annoying Crop Circles ( EB this means war!) [nicastr@idt.net (B] Re: annoying music [Ross Overbury ] Re: RH compilation appearance [Eb ] Re: annoying clippety-cloppety brainfry beat [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:06:33 +0100 (BST) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: calling names >>>>> "J" == J Katherine Rossner writes: J> More likely it has to do with what's considered J> age-appropriate, I suspect. Still seems to be the case, at J> least in some upper-class circles, that British boys wear J> "short pants", and graduating into wearing regular trousers is J> the rite of passage into adulthood, or at least adolescence. J> (Now, can anybody tell me whence this peculiar tradition?) In many public schools -- including the one I suffered -- boys wear shorts to about age 11, and then are allowed long trousers. Scottish winters in shorts were no fun, let me tell you. Anyone say it's character building, I'd have to say, 'Yer arse it is.' - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:19:08 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther) Subject: ED wood On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 06:36:15 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >>Y'know, I wonder if Ed Wood would've gone that far if the option had been >>available back then? I guess in the 50's all you could do was put on a skirt >>and some eyeshadow. These were all men who'd had themselves surgically >>altered to look female - breast implants, hip implants, nose jobs, the whole >>thing - but they hadn't had their genitals removed and didn't necessarily >>take hormones. >I don't remember Ed ever actually wanting to be a female. He had the angora >fetish, and liked to dress in womens clothes. But I dont' recall anyone >saying he desired to change his sex. Not that there's anything wrong with that. OH YES THERE IS. He was so caught up in getting is 'message' out, he forgot to make a real movie!!!!! Have any of you actually ever SEEN "glen or glenda"? Rent it and JUST TRY to watch it all the way through.... -luther P.S. My band, number nine line, is playing Wyatt's in Fells Point tonight. We go on around 12:30. All fegs welcome. (This is about the time I wish we had t-shirts to identify ourselves!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:35:49 +0100 From: Tony.Blackman@sita.int Subject: IOW From: Tony Blackman@SITA on 10/07/98 14:35 Please respond to tony.blackman@sita.int To: fegmaniax@smoe.org cc: Subject: IOW Excuse me if I've been asleep and missed any announcement, but can I safely assume that there won't be an Isle of Wight extravaganza this year? As I've had to cancel holiday plans due to work commitments, I was hoping that they'd be some saving grace over the long wet summer..... Tony P.S. Combining themes.... Q. What's the difference between David Beckham and an Airfix aeroplane with no adhesive? A. One's a glueless kit..... Apologies to those of you with sticky phobias, I don't mean to offend. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 98 9:32:46 EDT From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: A conundrum. Bayard sayed: > > here's a philosopical question for ya. is it possible to separate the > measure of how good music is, from how much you like it? if so, is this > even necessary and how do you go about it? Would the Beatles have been as > great if no one had ever heard them? would Elvis have been as great > without his millions of fans? What makes music good, its intrinsic value > or how people respond to it? > > is it truly possible to appreciate something without liking it? > That's exactly how I got into jazz and a lot of classical music. Before I was able to enjoy these types of music I was able to appreciate the fact that there was something worth exploring. PS: This letter may end up being posted long after it's relevant. My mail server seems to be getting bunged up a whole lot lately. - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 98 10:10:58 EDT From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: annoying music Eb seb: > > Some anti-NMH Feg (I don't remember who) once complained to me that > Mangum's voice sounds like a kazoo. While I'm obviously not happy to hear > Mangum being slagged, I thought that was an interesting criticism. That > "kazoo" quality is precisely one of the things which I (and others, > apparently) like. I was waiting for a chance to comment on this issue; thanks for the excuse. I don't think Mangum's voice is bad at all. I hear some decent vocal chops on "Airplane" (yeah, add me to the tally). I do think the producer deserves a cuff to the chops for wrapping NMH in that "diamond in the rough" production cliche that's just as affected as the late 70's overproduction cliche. It sounds as contrived to me as the overdone drum distortion I've heard in Lenny Kravitz recordings. The production doesn't ruin the material, but I do find it injects a little dishonesty into some very well written and honest songs. What's with the high-school band horn? What's with allowing (forcing?) Jeff to push his voice to the breaking point when you can hear he could make the notes with another take or a bigger breath? My wife said Jeff whines just like all the vocalists I enjoy lately (including Robyn, Vic, David Byrne, John Lennon). eeeee-ahhhhhh, - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:24:13 -0400 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Subject >Hate the Dead for those mind-numbing jams, not because of the smelly >Deadhead community. Can I hate them for both reasons? (BTW, what the fuck do those stupid dancing bears mean?) >>Umm...well, forgive me for pointing out the obvious, but is ANY >>singer more nasal than Robyn Hitchcock? > >Personally, I think Jello and Perry Farrell both are... Maybe there's >"good-nasal" and "bad-nasal"? Robyn is good-nasal, because his nasality suits the kind of music he's doing. Rufus W. is bad-nasal, because his type of music (IMO) requires a very clear, soaring sort of voice, and he's almost there but doesn't quite make it, which is what irritates me. >And since we're on the subject of annoying things and authors we don't >like, I figure I may as well bring up Oscar, whom I believe to be the >worst writer in the English language and a real sick perv as well. NOT Oscar Wilde, by the way... (this threw me for a moment). Oscar (sans last name) is indeed a twisted little fuck, if I may say so myself, whether or not s/he is for real. (re. Syd) > I recognize that, objectively, he's not very good -- but for >some reason I have this bizarre attraction to his monotonous irrational droney >songs. This didn't happen the first time I heard _TML_ -- I just went >"what?!" Yeah, me too - I actually did try listening to TML a few months ago and couldn't get past the 2nd or 3rd song. But I tried again and was rewarded. I sort of like the bits where he hesitates between chords - I kind of root for him: "Find the chord, Syd - find it - find it - yeah!" I have "Barrett" too (I borrowed a tape from my sister with both albums on it) and will listen to that shortly. Re. the Feg T-shirt, I would like to put in an impassioned plea that it be a color other than white. I hate white and never wear it. Green, black, blue, puce, whatever, but please not white... please? (I mean, unless it's absolutely necessary...) n., the proto-Goth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:29:28 -4250 From: dlang Subject: Re: romanticizing the blues or evil... I liked the blues because it *rocked* seriously and I got listening to it through Howlin' Wolf, who had a voice like a sandblaster and a personality to match. Romanticisation didn't even occur to me, it just sounded much better than Sandy Shaw or Cilla Black did at the time ( and it still does) Mark commented >Equally valid is the theory that those white >suburban boomers are just a bunch of wankers who should've stuck to listening >to Gary Puckett and the Union Gap. Youre right, its just as valid a theory as the one that sez that all the punks should have kept on listening to Mrs Mills , Rolf Harris and the Singing Nun .I wish you would explain it to me sometime. dave (who's in a *mean* mood tonight ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:29:01 -4250 From: dlang Subject: The annoying dead life style John opined re the dead Y'see, to me and many other anti-Dead types, the Dead's *music* isn't particularly annoying, just kind of sleep-inducing. What most of us find annoying about them (forgive me, Ben) is that there's this whole subculture built up around them and an almost religious reverence for them that they don't seem to deserve (at least not any more than dozens of other artists - Robyn H, for example). And while the reverence might really be based on appreciation of their music, it's difficult for those of us looking at it from the outside - i.e., people who don't like their music - to believe that, because the enormous cultural aspect of it gives the impression that their fans are just in it to be part of the community. (Otherwise, why wouldthey all dress up like that?) Its just what I said about six months ago, its not so much the music ,(although i am sure you hate that also John) its the trappings that go with it that get up non deadheads noses. especially on a list like this, where there is a bit of a psychedelic crossover, but far more punk, new wave , alt and pop, influence at work.People with this background often have a genuine antipathy to anything that smacks of Hippie and certainly the dead are identified with that.However, please don't stereotype deadheads,as we are a very wide ranging bunch of folks. If its any comfort to you John, all the deadheads I know in Australia do not wear tie dyes ( I've never worn tie dye in my life!) and we all are either teachers, lawyers , broadcasters or students and none of us live in buses.However, i suppose we would all prescribe to the hippie ethos to some extent or other. But nevertheless, we don't all fit the stereotype, in fact I just had an e-mail this week from the current British ambassador to Australia who is a deadhead from way back and saw them first at Bickershaw in 1972 .So the old saw," we are everywhere "holds up pretty well really. For a number of people it *is *the community as much as the music that is important. To me however , its the music that is the best thing about the Dead, just like the music is the best thing about RH. However , I also have to say that the people associated with the dead ( and Rh ) are some of the best people i've ever had the privilege to hang out with . Deadheads in particular are often very generous and helpfulto new tape traders or fans , for example five heads clubbed togetherand gave a ticket *and* a plane fare to a woman who had never seen thedead before. They didn't even know her, she just was on a discussionlist and she could not afford to go see the latest tour. I think that is pretty incredible generosity which probably wouldn't happen elsewhere. There are also many bands who have an identifiable lifestyle and look that goes with the music . Lets face it compared withall the other shit that goes down in society, I really can't see much harm in it. dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:30:34 -4250 From: dlang Subject: Re: Those Annoying Crop Circles ( EB this means war!) Eb showed once more his lack of experience regarding Grateful Dead music by stating >That's certainly a prime reason why I dislike the Dead >- their music generally aims to sedate and lull you into a trance. Just >turn off your brain, and surrender to the bliss. Ballocks Vinnie, utter ballocks. I'd more or less decided not to play into your hands and respond to your frequent anti dead remarks , but this takes the cake. Perhaps listening to the dead makes you turn off your brain, but that's certainly not what I get out of their music. You are stereotyping and it just does not wash because you are ignoring a large portion of their music. Such as Going down the road feeling bad. Gloria, One more saturday Night Deal. Let it grow. Don't ease me in. Alabama get away. Victim or the crime, Midnight Hour. The eleven. Man smart woman smarter. Iko Iko Cream Puff war. Golden Road to unlimited devotion Viola Lee blues. Maggies farm. All along the watchtower. The weight. Gimme some lovin' promised land. Not fade away. Johnny B Goode. Minglewood blues Good Lovin' Greatest story ever told. Scarlet begonias, Fire on the Mountain. i know you rider. help on the way. Franklin's tower, slipknot. Truckin, the Other one. New potato caboose. None of these were slow spaced out improvisatory numbers, most of the time they were flat out rockers. I could play you some shows which are blissed out stoner events and I could play you many which are utterly teeth wrenching and frenzied.Ever heard Pigpen do a good "Turn on your lovelight" or "Midnight Hour "from the 60's or 70's ?." The audience go apeshit . Ever listened to a good "space" jam from the late 80's or early 90's ? The discordancy and exploration contained within some of these was engrossing, stimulating and anything but lulling . Mickey Hart had a percussion instrument called " The beam" which was long aluminium bar with strings across it. When he attacked that it was impossible to be lulled , most likely your tooth fillings would fall out instead. Also, I have never seen audiences dance as madly , or as continuously, as I have at dead shows. Unless you have the experience of listening to some of these shows I suggest you do not show up your lack of knowledge concerning this band. Forget the fucking records, mostly they don't cut it. Informed criticism I can take , but not criticism that is driven by plain ignorance. By your own admission you aren't really familiar with the recorded works, you have not attended any shows, so I suggest you confine yourself to talking about bands that you are more familiar with and stop indulging in gratuitous put downs that just give a bad feel to the list and play merry hell with our blood pressure levels. . I don't give a shit whether you dislike the dead or not, I don't want you to like them .Its the fact that you make statements about them that are just plain innacurate that gets my goat. So, if you want I'll send you some examples of shows with *bite* and *then* you can make an informed comment.E-mail me your address and i'll mail you a free tape. If you like "Bless its pointed little head", I really can't see why you would not at least appreciate the fast Dead instrumental stuff at least from the late 60's , as in general the Dead were a much better outfit than the Airplane was at that time-apart from the vocal prowess of course, which the Airplane usually had in spades ( and again I'm basing my remarks on many hours of listening to live tapes by both bands) its time for another aussie insult session Vinnie ! i know you like them, and i can feel one coming on, you miserable mongrel. dave ( taking over the indignant deadhead role from Ben for once). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:11:26 -0400 From: "Chaney, Dolph L" Subject: Michigan Fegs not sure who besides gnat falls into this category, but... I'll be in Michigan on the weekend of the 25th. One of my bestest friends is getting married in Jenison on the 25th. I'm going to be in the state (WITH a rental car) from late Thursday night until Monday at noon, flying in & out of Detroit. So... Fegmeet, anybody? Let me know! Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:33:37 -0700 (PDT) From: griffith Subject: re: conundrum The discussion of musical greatness, importance, and popularity reminds me of two things: First. On SNL a few years back (5-7), they did a sketch that was an infomercial for "Lank Thompson - Handsome Actor". The joke was that if you followed Lank's program, you would be a "Handsome Actor", like host Alec Baldwin. Someone from the crowd stood up and stated how much this program had helped their career, but they had one question: How do you explain the success of Gerard Depardieu? At that point they cut back to Mike Myers (Lank) and the person from the audience was promptly removed. The point I'm getting at is that people will like popular bands, and people will like their own thing. I'm guessing that everyone on this list has a massively diverse taste in music. Second. Remember Robyn Williams' first day of class in "Dead Poets Society"? He was using the text books' definition of how to determine the greatness of a poem where you would make a graph based on two variables and the resulting area would be its overall ranking. Like Williams states "rubbish. Refuse. Garbage." This is the most I've ever typed for this list...I'll go back to my mostly lurker mode. I'm hitting the road for a few days, no computer access.... griffith np - The Cramps - Big Beat From Badsville = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Griffith Davies hbrtv219@csun.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:52:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Fuller Subject: from randi - catching up on five feg-digests Wow - Sarah needs her laptop for two days and suddenly there is so much to catch up on! Well, first - I just got off the phone with my mom - she said there are a bunch of packages waiting for me - from sneaky sneaky {and thoughtful} fegs who probably don't even watch Remington Steele for tips. My dad said he'll bring everything to the hospital on Saturday - so it's a second birthday for me! So Bayard - have you stopped laughing or are you still lying there after tripping over the box of unsold "Glass Fleshes." ;} Maybe this is the reason *sharkboy* needs more brain-food... ;} There must be newbies who haven't even heard of "Glass Flesh" - post *sharkboy* post - don't just say - "We have loads of them and they're on sale if y'all are interested." Come on - give us a plug - an "advertisement" - put up a link - if you can't do it for your brain, or for poor Bayard lying on the floor laughing hysterically, then mark, do it for me. ;} I'd really like to see all those cds get sold. > capatalism blows wondered: > Robyn shacked up in Olympia for a year to record the K7? Well, not exactly - I can't remember the timing - it was sometime after he and Cynthia broke up and he met Michele - since she took the pics for the single - but Robyn lived there for a little under a year - are you ready for this - working in a record store. I kid you not. He said not one single person ever recognized him...and that he was horrible at his job. > cb/eddie also mentioned: > ...great to see you back in midseason form by the way susie... May I add my heartfelt "yay - she's back!" to Eddie's comment :} > eddie also said: > I've read tons of Robyn reviews and I'm pretty sure this is the first > time I've heard him expressing disappointment over his record sales. Well, Robyn, Tim Keegan, Steve Martin {RH's old manager} and I talked about the disappointment over dinner...I don't know if Robyn is the type of person who would actually express that sentiment to the press - or if "Warner" would even *let* him... > jh3 said {and I had to put my hand over my mouth to stop the scream}: > I have vector files of the Thoth symbol and a couple of pictograms > lying around if anyone wants them. I could put them up on my website. John, do you have any idea how much some people {myself included} would kill {sorry dave and luther ;} to have that stuff in their possession? Good G-d boy - put them up on your site and let us all see for ourselves. As for annoying music...put "Sandra's Having Her Brain Out" on repeat...it used to work on my little sister - it would either send her running to her room, or somewhere out of my way - and sometimes it even made her leave the house. I however, love that song... And, for the record, *I* do not think Robyn is repeating himself on "Moss Elixir" - I think it's one of the most honest albums he's ever done - lyrically, he talks about Michele, Maisie, how he feels about his dad's death {yes, I know he did that on "Respect" but not to the same degree of honest emotion as on "ME,"} and he actually speaks about politics and talk show hosts and reality to a degree not always found in his lyrics - IMHO. The honesty is beautiful, as *I* feel is the album. Okay - not every male on the list might care about this - but here goes - when I interviewed Robyn - he was wearing a short sleeved shirt - {no underarm hair was seen - thank G-d Carole} - and I was getting woozy while we talked for a couple of hours and he rolled cigarettes for himself and for me. I just love a man's arms - and Robyn's arms are - well - no - I'd better stop right here. No - one more thing - his hands and his fingers are exquisite - really stopping now... and fading back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, Rand *what scares you most will set you free* - Robyn Hitchcock n.p. Neutral Milk Hotel's 'In the Aeroplane Over The Sea' - courtesy of Scary Mary - and, in a way, from the courageous Eb, who apparently introduced them to the list - so thanks Mary and Eb! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:59:39 -0400 (EDT) From: capuchinism flows Subject: tape tree update the tape tree is set up, with the expection of a few latecomers (but i got all of you noted down) so it should be posted in the coming week... i'm talking with a couple of hardcore programmers on the list about making it fancy/automated, but it may just be a text file as per usual. should we open this up to people offlist, if we program the ability to add yourself to the tree from the web? should we even amke the tree's URL public? now playing over and over silently in my head: "i'm a believer" =b procedure LIFE is begin while HEART_IS_BEATING loop WAKE_UP; GOTO_WORK; RETURN; SLEEP; end loop; DIE; end LIFE; ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:38:34 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: Subject >>Hate the Dead for those mind-numbing jams, not because of the smelly >>Deadhead community. > >Can I hate them for both reasons? (BTW, what the fuck do those stupid >dancing bears mean?) Sure, but hating a band because of their fans is a very close-minded thing to do. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:39:01 -0700 From: Mike Runion Subject: Re: annoying music Ross Overbury questioned about NMH: > What's with > the high-school band horn? What's with allowing (forcing?) Jeff to push his > voice to the breaking point when you can hear he could make the notes with > another take or a bigger breath? Well, having caught NMH live in Orlando a few weeks back, I have to say I was quite moved by Scott Spillane's horn playing. I mean, I'd caught on to all the horns on the album and not really thought much about it, but live, it all just sorta added the perfect touch to the otherwise sparse arrangements of acoustic guitar and bowed saw. I will say that I was somewhat taken aback when Jeff seemed to hit every high note live that he cracked on on record. I did wonder what was up with that...I mean, doesn't it usually happen the other way 'round? - -- Mike Runion Cocoa, FL, USA /******************************************************************\ | VCM: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/cones.htm | | Fegmaps: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/fegmaps | | Spoken Word Tape: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/wordtape.htm | \******************************************************************/ "Wait a minute. Time for a Planetary Sit-In!" - Julian Cope ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:44:07 -0700 From: Mike Runion Subject: RH compilation appearance (I'm not sure if this post made it through yesterday, so here it is again...) Hey all, Looks like a Robyn track is showing up on a Cambridge Folk Festival compilation CD. I checked the CFF website and it looks like Robyn and the Egyptians played back in '92. Still trying to find out the actual track. Anyone got any info on this, or have a recording of the actual event so's we can narrow down what this track might be? Here's the info I got off an Intergalactic Garage Pre-Order mailing list (www.igg.com): 27386-VARIOUS CAMBRIDGE FOLK FESTIVAL CD (UK) 07/24/98 [$22.49] $19.95 Eclectic collection, with performances from NANCI GRIFFITH, STEELEYE SPAN, ALBION BAND, LINDISFANRE, LOUDON WAINWRIGHT III, EDDI READER, STRAWBS, ROBYN HITCHCOCK, JOE ELY, and others Mike - -- Mike Runion Cocoa, FL, USA /******************************************************************\ | VCM: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/cones.htm | | Fegmaps: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/fegmaps | | Spoken Word Tape: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/wordtape.htm | \******************************************************************/ "Wait a minute. Time for a Planetary Sit-In!" - Julian Cope ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:51:27 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: Those Annoying Crop Circles ( EB this means war!) >Eb showed once more his lack of experience regarding Grateful Dead >music by stating >>That's certainly a prime reason why I dislike the Dead >>- their music generally aims to sedate and lull you into a trance. Just > >>turn off your brain, and surrender to the bliss. > > Ballocks Vinnie, utter ballocks. It's a pointless battle to try to make Eb appreciate the Dead, in fact after the various discussions on the list over the past few months he probably hates them even more! But I would like to comment on the "trance like quality" of the Dead's music. Think of this from the musicians perspective, do they intend their music to be a sedative? Or, is it the listener who doesn't have the attention span to stay focused on the music? I, for one, am not "lulled in to a trance" by the Dead's music, I always listen carefully to what's going on. The only types of music I can think of that are not intended to be *listened* to are the Erik Satie/Eno school of ambient music, and some forms of dance/techno music. I would reccomend to all music fans to try to always pay close attention to what they are listening to, it makes the experience much more fulfilling. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 98 14:58:34 EDT From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: annoying music > Well, having caught NMH live in Orlando a few weeks back, I have to say I was quite > moved by Scott Spillane's horn playing. Were the horns in key and on time? It's not the simplicity of the parts that bugged me. It's that "here, play a bit sloppy and it'll come off as soulful" trick. > I will say that I was somewhat taken aback when Jeff seemed to hit every high > note live that he cracked on on record. I did wonder what was up with that... Ah *hah*! - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:59:08 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: RH compilation appearance Mike wrote: >27386-VARIOUS CAMBRIDGE FOLK FESTIVAL CD (UK) 07/24/98 [$22.49] $19.95 > Eclectic collection, with performances from NANCI GRIFFITH, >STEELEYE SPAN, ALBION BAND, LINDISFANRE, LOUDON WAINWRIGHT III, EDDI >READER, STRAWBS, ROBYN HITCHCOCK, JOE ELY, and others Loudon Wainwright? Say, isn't he the father of...? Randi wrote: >As for annoying music...put "Sandra's Having Her Brain Out" Another early song.... Also in New Jersey. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:59:08 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: annoying clippety-cloppety brainfry beat Dave stroked his Jerry Garcia necktie and offered: >I'd more or less decided not to play into your hands and respond to your >frequent anti dead remarks, but this takes the cake. >Perhaps listening to the dead makes you turn off your brain, but that's >certainly not what I get out of their music. You are stereotyping and it >just does not wash because you are ignoring a large portion of their >music. Such as >[song list] Interesting that so many of the songs you listed were covers. But then again, I guess even Deadheads know better than to defend the Dead based on songwriting. >Ever heard Pigpen do a good "Turn on your lovelight" or >"Midnight Hour "from the 60's or 70's ?." No, thank god. I have heard Pigface though, and didn't enjoy it much. And Pork Soda is one of my least favorite Primus albums. >Ever listened to a good "space" jam from the late 80's or early 90's ? >The discordancy and exploration contained within some of these was >engrossing, stimulating and anything but lulling...Also, >I have never seen audiences dance as madly, or as continuously, as I >have at dead shows. Sure, no kidding. Flailing their arms, wriggling their fingers, eyes closed, head tossed about, swaying their hips...you know, with all the mental effort poured into maintaining that "dance," some might say that they're not listening to the music as closely. Mm-hmm. Not to mention the high probability that they're stoned out of their minds.... >Forget the fucking records, mostly they don't cut it. Right. And yet, the Dead are a great band. Yeah, the only great band in music history who never made a great record, despite all the technology and money in the world at their fingertips. Mm-hmm.... >If you like "Bless its pointed little head", I really can't see why you >would not at least appreciate the fast Dead instrumental stuff at >least from the late 60's , as in general the Dead were a much better >outfit than the Airplane was at that time-apart from the vocal prowess >of course, which the Airplane usually had in spades There's that phrase again. ...and apart from the ability to write a decent tune.... >dave (taking over the indignant deadhead role from Ben for once). No no no, I granted that title to Brandt. Ben's the indignant chord-counter. ;) Hey, this Billy Bragg/Wilco record is *damn* good. Might go into my top 5 of the year so far. And I don't even like Wilco, on their own. In fact, two of The Happenings met when they were hung up by barbed wire during an obstacle course in basic training. Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #263 *******************************