From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #258 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, July 8 1998 Volume 07 : Number 258 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: University Challenge [M R Godwin ] Re: Stickers. [Lobsterman ] Prophets... [Condiment Spice ] from randi - mostly t-shirts and profits [Tim Fuller ] Re: Stickers. [Capuchin ] Re: Stickers. [Capuchin ] Crop Circles Are Go! ["Capitalism Blows" ] rocket review ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: T-shirts ["JH3" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:23:09 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: University Challenge On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Ben wrote: > Is this the same game show that was once featured on the British comedy > "The Young Ones"? I was watching the film 'Diner' on TV the other night, which is set in Baltimore in 1959, and included an episode of UC playing on TV, featuring Cornell vs Bryn Mawr - so it must have originally been an American show. Unfortunately the girls' college was playing on the bottom strip, reducing the hilarious opportunities for the boys to look up to the top of the screen. Kevin Bacon (yes, Kevin Bacon) played the spoiled brat who knew all the quiz answers and Steve Guttenburg played the record maniac who knew the B-sides of all the current hits. I couldn't work out which of them I was supposed to identify with. Apart from that it was not much cop - a few giant worms surging up through the floorboards would not have come amiss... - - Mike Godwin "His luminous grin put her in a spin. Bad luck - the bride of a bull stepped out in the morning light to meet Maisie" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:53:49 -0700 From: Lobsterman Subject: Re: Stickers. >At 12:05 AM 7/8/1998 -0700, you wrote: >> >>As with the shirts, any profits will be put forth to future projects (like >>Glass Flesh). > >I may open a can of worms here, but could the profits either: a) go to >smoe.org for maintaining us or b) to a charity? (I don't know what Raymond >died of, but if it was cancer or something.....) can't it be for all of those things?? some for GF, some for smoe, and some for charity? i don't have a problem with that. jbj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:01:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Condiment Spice Subject: Prophets... > >I may open a can of worms here, but could the profits either: a) go to > >smoe.org for maintaining us or b) to a charity? (I don't know what Raymond > >died of, but if it was cancer or something.....) > I don't think Bayard has stopped laughing yet. Can you hear him screaming "Profits!?!?! Ha Har Har!!," as he falls over boxes of unsold Glass Fleshes! My thoughts would be that prices would cover costs, and hopefully that. Much more of a DIY thing than a temporary business organization. .chris (who likes the Ebmaniax idea only if it has yellow strips) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:04:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Fuller Subject: from randi - mostly t-shirts and profits Hey, I'm into a t-shirt...since I'm the only "official" feg in Toronto...I won't need it as an identifier - I just want a new t-shirt ;} > marcy mentioned: > I may open a can of worms here but could the profits go to either... > A} smoe.org for maintaining our site > B} a charity Well, *I* think that is a great idea - I can't remember right now exactly what Robyn's dad died of - but I *can* find out - I'm pretty sure I asked him that question when I interviewed Robyn for the CBC...or, I'll find out through other means. Otherwise - how about profits to "The Crohn's and Colitis Foundation of Canada" I will become webmistress there shortly, so I could add on feg links - since money would be coming from there...I also write the Toronto and the Canadian newsletter - so we could get mentioned again... But, I'm being selfish - I think if Robyn knew we were donating profits to *his* favourite charity - he'd be...touched. About to get kicked off the net __again__ Okay, I have 5 minutes... Karen - congrats on the job offer - I'll email you you privately. And I hope every feg on this list is taking good care of him/her - self. fading back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, Randi *what scares you most will set you free* - Robyn Hitchcock n.p. - the excellent eddie tews tape of the "Storefront Hitchcock" flim. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:17:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: if the pro fits.... > > >I may open a can of worms here[...] i'll see your can of worms, and raise you a can 'o bees! heehee. I read Jeme to say "like Glass Flesh does" when he said that about the profits, not that he was going to donate his profits to GF2. But if I'm wrong, thanks for the kind offer. Due to the amazing generosity and voracious purchasing appetite of the feg community, I have almost broken even on GF CD 1. However, Mark "rubber Shark Guy" still has a ways to go, so please send him money and review-bits of GF1 for the tigermonkey site. You should also buy his CD _Monday's Lunch_, which I like more and more all the time. contact him at rubrshrk@tigermonkey.com. > My thoughts would be that prices would cover costs, and hopefully that. > Much more of a DIY thing than a temporary business organization. That's the idear. My thought is it's best to spare no expense when making these things, that way you have a better item and people will be happy with it. The thought of putting any profit towards the future is just optimism when you spend top dollar for a quality product. I am so glad we spent extra for a nicer cd booklet for GF1. For the next disc we are going to use an even better CD duplication house that is more expensive, but a joy to work with. So if there is any profit between now and then, that would really help with the initial payment. But there is the matter of royalties to attend to. (Robyn knows where i live! ;) I'd say, let's worry about what to do with all our extra money when we have it (if ever!) =b ps. did i mention how amazed I am with the GF submissions recently? "Executioner" just rocks my world. "Vibrating" is a triumph with a sweet surprise ending. "Mournful Balloon Man" is chilling and eerie (no ed wood samples this time though). And "Queen Elvis" has congas!!! What more could one ask for? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:40:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Stickers. On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, tanter wrote: > >As with the shirts, any profits will be put forth to future projects (like > >Glass Flesh). > I may open a can of worms here, but could the profits either: a) go to > smoe.org for maintaining us or b) to a charity? (I don't know what Raymond > died of, but if it was cancer or something.....) Marcy, Marcy, Marcy... Randi, Randi, Randi... Kids... We're not talking about profits for real. This is how it works. Someone puts up loads of cash to print a hundred shirts or whatever. We figure out a per shirt cost and a S/H cost and get a total cost for each shirt. Then we realize that there's no chance in hell we're going to sell a hundred shirts. So we jack the price up just a touch to offset the spoilage. If by some miracle of miracles all the shirts sell, there will be a few dollars left over. But in the best of all possible worlds, we'll probably still get stuck with at least three or ten shirts and that will eat up every dime of profits. We're not talking about enough money to matter to anyone anyway. If, by that same miracle, Tom or Bayard or myself walk out of one of these things with an extra $18 on our hip, is it really going to upset anyone anyway? I'm not saying I wouldn't put every penny of that toward another sticker project or T-shirts, but couldn't that just be a little time compensation thing? I guess it's a matter of scale. If it were lots of money... if there was a chance of actually getting some profits... we'd have a different situation. But really I just mentioned it in case someone suggested that the shirt-meister might be pulling down some cash at the list's expense. I hate talking about money. It's so vulgar. Je. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:42:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Stickers. On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Lobsterman wrote: > >At 12:05 AM 7/8/1998 -0700, you wrote: > >>As with the shirts, any profits will be put forth to future projects (like > >>Glass Flesh). > >I may open a can of worms here, but could the profits either: a) go to > >smoe.org for maintaining us or b) to a charity? (I don't know what Raymond > >died of, but if it was cancer or something.....) > can't it be for all of those things?? some for GF, some for smoe, and some > for charity? i don't have a problem with that. Sure, John. If we sell 90% of the shirts, I'll send $1.50 to Mark, $1.50 to smoe, and $.50 each to the three charities we choose, ok? Sorry for being snide, but I can't believe this became an issue. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 12:57:39 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Crop Circles Are Go! (somebody --i wanna say lsdiamond, but i'm not sure-- included in their top ten movies something called Thundrbirds Are Go! never seen it. had never heard of it. if it's anything like what it sounds it might be something like --viz., jet airplanes and the kwazy antics of their drivers-- i'd probably hate it. but, damn! i love that title. i think about it all the time. i think it's the exclamation point that really does it. you really don't see very many exclamation points in movie titles.) yeah, so, the other night i dreamed that robyn was giving an in-store... well, i guess you'd have to call it an "in-parking lot," 'cause that's where it was. now, haven't been able to find the new billy bragg used yet, so have no idea what it sounds like. but, this is what robyn was doing. playing these old woody guthrie songs that the lyrics for had just been unearthed. that was the whole set, except that the last song was Only The Stones Remain. so then after the set, i was down the street talking with someone, and robyn started tuning up for his encore. i started running down the block screaming for him to not start the encore yet, because i had to get my recorder ready, etc. so he politely waited for me, then started into the encore, and proceeded to fall asleep. we woke him up, and he apologized pretty profusely, and everyone said it was no big deal, but that what he oughta do was just play a bunch of improvised lullabies. and he proceeded to do exactly that. pretty tame as robyn dreams go for me, really. but it did bring up kind of an interesting point. what would it have been like to have robyn as a father? (and note, i had this dream *before* the maisie thread came up. *now* do you believe it when i tell you i'm pyshic, russ?) i mean, can you imagine, robyn's your dad, and you ask him, "daddy, tell me a bedtime story"??? or sing me a lullabye. or how about, "hey, where are we going on vacation this summer?" "oh, i thought we'd go down to the beach and check out the underside of the pier." "what! *again?*" "certainly!" don't get me wrong. i'd love to have robyn as a father. but it would be pretty weird. that's all i'm saying. now, i saw The Kingdom II the other night, "and it's gear"! (my new favorite phrase now.) if somebody wants to name me any other movie that keeps you on the edge of your seat for ten consecutive hours, i'm listening! i had The Kingdom among my ten favorite movies all time. but i think with the addition of the sequel, i'm going to have to move the thing somewhere into the top five. and upon the release of the concluding episodes (which are apparently being filmed this summer), who knows, it might even make an assault on the holy trinity (Brazil, Lawrence of Arabia, My Life As A Dog.) we all think robyn's pretty outre, or eccentric, or what have you. and he is, of course. but lars von trier is just a fucking lunatic. i mean that in a good way. i almost didn't believe my eyes, but, The Rocket actually had a pretty decent review of the seattle show. i'll type it in in a separate post, but wanted to deal with just a few things here. the review says that robyn "shacked up" in olympia for a year to record the k 7". surely this is inaccurate? i thought he'd done that record in calvin's basement, really quickly, kind of, "on his way through." also, he apparently played the Two Bells, "a few days later." if "a few" means two, then that would be the 28th. bayard, i can call them up and try to confirm the date if you want, though i kind of fear for my life talking to those pricks on the phone. but i *still* have never seen him play the Two Bells, and it's gettin' me down. and i still think that the thoth-shaped batlight idea i posited after having missed the princess di memorial gig is a damned good idea, if a little difficult logistically to pull off. hi! did somebody say "old-thread catch-up"? GREAT to see you in midseason form, by the way, susie! it's been quite some time since you were on this hot a roll. robyn co-wrote qutie a few songs on POWER OF LOVE and WOMEN AND CAPTAINS FIRST, actually. those are both good albums. but ted, you completely neglected to mention the pics! the LOVE sleeve has many entertaining photos of captain sensible's wedding reception. i think robyn's in four or five of them, wearing a tux. there's one captioned, "the incredible robyn hitchcock," in which he looks as if he's just stuffed about thirteen croissants into his mouth. and another one with him shaking some guy's hand --i should probably know who, but i don't-- captioned, "i hear you used to be a soft boy." and he appears in a portal on the sinking ship on the cover of CAPTAINS, draining a highball. i read a review of what i think is still his most recent album a couple years ago. the title escapes me. but, the review called it the best punk album of the summer. still haven't gotten around to buying it, though. maybe it's just semantics, but i hate annoying music. and i like most of the artists on your list, eb. do you mean annoying to grownups? or tipper gore? why would somebody want to listen to something that annoyed them? seems all it would do is get you in a pissy mood. mostly i agree. in fact, if you hadn't said it dave, i would have. but i'd like to add that in addition to the gotesqueries you mention, capitalism, IN ITS EVERYDAY NORMAL WORKINGS is evil. we shouldn't lose sight of that, because it allows us to place blame on the "folks who make policies" rather than on the system. i know that's not what you were trying to imply, dave. but it bears repeating, endlessly, that it's economic "orthodoxy" that destroys lives. when a u.s.-installed brazilian general can state of the ecnomic "miracle" du jour that, "the economy is doing great, the people not so great," [which was, of course, putting it *very* mildly,] then, you know, it's pretty clear we're living in the age of doublethink. as evil as the pentagon is, the imf/world bank is probably even a little worse. hope this all doesn't sound too abstract. but i'm trying not to go off on a really long and boring rant here. also let me say that blaming the policy-makers ignores the *real* culprits, namely, those of us in the rich countries who know good and well that we've oceans of blood on our hands, but would rather goof off than do something about it. yes, i'm including myself especially in this group. yes, i know i'm a hypocrite. no, i'm not very happy about it. like woj, i can't recall having heard it (You and Oblivion) previous to '95. he did of course do Alright, Yeah with the egyptians. and i know he performed Beautiful Queen as early as '93, but i can't remember if he ever did it with andy and morris or not. i'm kind of thinking that maybe he did. lobstie? this is funnier/cooler than shit! it reminds me of one of my very fave books, The Bad Popes, by e.r. chamberlin. it's all about the corruption, hedonism, etc. of the last seven popes before the reformation. something like six languages in the bibiliography, which is always a good sign. and best yet, the guy's a fabulous writer. the book reads like a novel. well, i'm sure runion or capuchin will correct me if i'm wrong, but my understanding is that the law of averages states the exact opposite. that, for example, if you flipped a coin heads 666 consecutive times, the law of averages says that there's *still* exactly a 50% chance that the next flip will be tails (although at this point, you might want to check and see if you have a two-headed coin.) i'm guessing it's too small a sample size to say with any confidence. but it does kind of sound like there has been a qualitative change in your example, dave. that is, probably more kids *are* thinking of murdering someone than they were when you first started teaching. for what *that's* worth. woody guthrie, as you almost certainly are aware. but it was indeed a very good thing that you didn't buy the disc at border's, as they are a union-busting company. anyhow, i've heard NOTHING but RAVES for this record. quail, you're the resident billy bragg fanatic. what thinks ye? i think it's his best album, too, as i've stated before. but, i've heard and read tons of robyn interviews, and i'm pretty sure this is the first time i've heard of him expressing disappointment over record sales. there was just a mother theresa thread on the dan bern list, and i guess i'll say here what i said there: the fact that she was good friends with both the duvaliers and the reagans should be enough to give *anyone* pause. you talk about con artists. mother theresa was one of the best. she caused A LOT of harm. the notion that she was in any way working for the cause of good is pure rubbish. i'll leave it at that. if you don't believe me, do some research. yeah, i'd always thought it was a japanese boy. i'm definitely not planning on it, but if i ever *did* have a kid, i'd name it Pinot Griggio. do you mean that the year is important to him because he wrote a song about it? because, in his introductions of that song, he calls it a boring, banal year. says it was after the left had run out of steam, but before the right had begun its counterattack. and he's said that the year was fine for *him,* that he had a lot of fun, etc. but i've never gotten the impression that he thinks it was a particularly *important* year. yeah, well, it *should* have come out *last* fall. i'm just thankful i've seen it on the big screen, because i'm still living in fear that it's going straight to video. 'course, the fact that it's demme is a big mark in our favor. that's just fuckin' hilarious! i say we do it! then we could encircle all the non-fegs and, um, "convert" them. you really think so? i've always been exceedingly proud of the fact that one of the best songs in Rocky Horror is named after me. "all he wanted was rock 'n' roll, porn and a motorbike VROOM! VROOM!" i once heard robyn say that he quite likes doing interviews because they're kind of like therapy, getting to just talk about yourself on and on, but that they're free. also a really hilarious dead milkmen song, from their last album, which says that the blues is a way for white people to be able to understand black people without ever actually having to meet any. i saw them open up for neutral milk hotel, "and they were gear!" i'm very excited that they'll be on the next GLASS FLESH. orange juice, for the record. and yes, i drink it by the full carafe. having seen robyn shirtless, let me just say that...oh, i'd better not say it, on second thought. yes, i can vouch for this. i'm still not sure what to make of it, but i think about it quite a lot. i do know that i'm pretty sure that capuchin's adhesive phobia is our ticket to getting his cat's name out of him. wow. i haven't seen a "phbbt" in quite some time! didn't opus always used to use that word? "What the fuck! There's a house burning in the middle of I-5!" --Capuchin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 13:11:39 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: rocket review Robyn Hitchcock's love of the Seattle area is no secret to those who've had the chance to catch his last two "Popsicle Shop (sic) Incident" shows at the Crocodile, which featured local luminaries such as Scott McCaughy (sic, i think. isn't it McCaughey?), Peter Buck and Kurt Bloch, among others. At one point the British expatriate [is this true?] had even shacked up in Olympia for a year to hang out and record a 7-inch on K records. Those who expected yet another Hitch-fest at this particular Crocodile performance were treated to a solo Hitchcock turning impromptu tales and introductions of the fantastic. Strikingly handsome and tall, frequently brushing aside his long locks from his face and casually dressed in his familiar polka-dot shirt, Hitchcock rolled through a brisk set that covered old faves ("One Long Pair of Eyes," "Victorian Squid"), unreleased music, Soft Boys tunes and one unusual selection originally performed by actor Guy Pierce (sic, i think. isn't it Pearce?) of L.A. Confidential fame. His performance was an electrifying visit into the imagination of a man whose fascination with the ordinary and paranormal have become expected by those who hunger for his brilliant wordsmithing, lengthy and hilarious introductions and some of the very finest guitar playing. Those in the know had a chance to catch Hitchcock play a very intimate set for an enthusiastic crowd of local musicians and fans at the Two Bells a few days later. Though playing many of the same tunes from Friday's show, Hitchcock punctuated his 45-minute set with a beautiful cover of the Psychadelic Furs' "Ghost In You" and that regional tribute to our very own Microsoft, coffee and heroin image-- "Viva Sea-Tac." Introducing it with an inspired homage to the Space Needle, claiming it is the actual final resting place of Elvis' invisible corpse (which unbeknownst to the general public rotates in some invisible casket at the very tip), he ended the song to a remarkable resounding and heartfelt round of applause. Though he may be the man who cannot smile, this revernce is ample evidence why this musicial treasure delivers so much to his local fans. Do yourself a favor -- go see him next time he comes around. - --Stewart A. Williams ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:20:03 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: T-shirts .chris "Condiment Spice" wrote this: >>I mentioned to JH# (I think) that I get beat-up enough at school for >>being a computer geek, why take it to the streets with the ole >>internerd blazed on my chest or back. Rootin' Tootin' Capuchin replied: >...this t-shirt is not dead. I picked up the ball a couple of weeks >ago and even have a printer lined up and all. I have price schedules for >screens, film, bulk shirt orders, and printing labor. It's very nearly >ready to run. I think .chris was referring to a comment I made privately to him and a couple of other people that anybody with a color inkjet printer could make a Robyn H. tee-shirt iron-on if they had a nice graphic file, an iron-on sheet, and an iron. Someone (not necessarily me) would simply make the necessary "official" graphic available on a web or ftp site. If you didn't have an inkjet printer, maybe you could do a tapes-for-iron-ons trade with someone who did. Anyway, that way nobody would be stuck having to front the money for a screen printer and there would be no issue of what to do with the non-existent profits. Of course I don't want to steal anyone's thunder or whatever - a silk-screened shirt is obviously going to be much better quality-wise than an iron-on. I would almost certainly buy one... It's just that .chris mentioned my initials (but hey, it's "3", not "#") so I wanted to clear that up in case anyone was curious. BTW: I have some vector-graphic files of the Thoth symbol and a couple of other Robynesque pictograms lying around if anybody wants them. I could put them on my own web site, of course. (Maybe I should just do that.) John H. Hedges III, Inc., Ltd. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #258 *******************************