From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #256 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, July 7 1998 Volume 07 : Number 256 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: romanticizing the blues or evil... [amadain ] Fwd: Re: Hmmmm....... ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Fwd: Re: Hmmmm....... [amadain ] Re: The lack of any real content in this post astounds even me, quite frankly and going downhill rabidly [] Re: romanticizing the blues or evil... [Christopher Gross ] Re: Fwd: Re: Hmmmm....... [Russ Reynolds ] Re: romanticizing the blues or evil... [amadain ] Re: romanticizing the blues or evil... [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: I t-shirt snobbery [Condiment Spice ] Re: my t-shirt snobbery ["mr. pointy" ] Re: Ordo Templar Quailientis [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: I t-shirt snobbery [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:21:16 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: romanticizing the blues or evil... >Girls. He explains that having the blues is a far >different thing from romancing them, and only an idiot >would actually LOOK for the blues. I really appreciate >that view. Maybe most of us did it in our mid teens to >feel that we had substance. Oh yeah. Someone explain to me please why middle-aged middle-class white guys fetishize the blues so much? Is it the mid-life crisis equivalent of goth kids? It kinda looks that way from here. Not to stigmatize persons who fit this description who like blues music and are legit music lovers. You know who you are and you know I don't mean you :). I mean like those, oh you know, I met a bunch of em at a Siegal/Schwall show I was dragged to once. Like "I'm a deep guy, I have THE BLUES", people. Most of them don't like actual blues either, they like that disco-blues or hippie-blooze crap anyways. I think there's also something to goth kids, and these guys.......they do sort of know instinctively that there's knowledge in that suffering, somewhere, something mysterious they don't quite know about, and they're drawn to it. That's not wrong. What's wrong is thinking you know what it is when the worst thing you ever suffered was your air-conditioning breaking down on the freeway or once being called a loser when you were in fourth grade. Get some proportion and perspective, please. >I knew some people who were in the OTO, who worshipped >a pathetic loser (Alister Crowley) because it made them >feel evil and powerful. Sadly, this romantic view >caused them to remove all of their happy and joyous >tendancies. Alastair Crawley was a little more than a pathetic loser. While I agree that in the larger sense, yes, people who do the kinds of things he did ARE pretty insecure people (not to mention vain &c), he was a pretty damn talented con-artist, and fairly psychotic. I can't bring myself to laugh at him quite since in a certain sense he was a dangerous sort of person, and convinced a lot of people. He was also a pretty serious misuser of the power he did have, and it hit back at him eventually, as karma will. Nothing much to admire about that. I kind of wonder about anyone who -wants- to feel evil. Not "exploring and facing the evil within you" but feel like you're powerful and evil just because? What's the pleasure in that? "Hahahaha, I am DESTRUCTIVE AND NASTY! IT'S SO AWESOME!". Na, I don't get it. Is it an anti-Christian thing? If so wouldn't you be better off exploring other philosophical/religious avenues and making your own way, rather than merely attempting a 180 into the satanic? Funny thing the way these work- people are convinced they have evil powers, but in the end the evil always gets - -them-. Even if it's just the psychological effects of going through life thinking that way. > Though most of them outgrew the OTO, I don't >think any of them that I knew came back to finding joy >in life- yet. I shouldn't wonder, as that's a pretty negative kind of thing to get wrapped up in. Whether you believe in any of this or not (I actually do, to some extent, and I also believe that Alastair Crowley, whether it was by convincing himself through force of will alone or something actually supernatural, did have some kind of power) there's no argument at all that the psychological damage lasts for a very long time. No way to come out of it unscarred. I still don't see what makes it attractive, either. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 98 14:06:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: re: hmmmm... >> This got me thinking (finally). What is Robyn's middle name? I'm sure >> that someone in fegland knows. > >it's Rowan (like the tree.) not like the boat? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:44:34 -0400 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Fwd: Re: Hmmmm....... >From: Terrence M Marks >Now, since we're talking about Robyn's divorce, has it ever been >established that he was ever married? Ya know, I just want to say that a year or two I brought up the very same topic on this here list and was roasted alive. I kid you not. I'm not about to jump into it again, but hey, there ya have it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:17:40 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Hmmmm....... >Ya know, I just want to say that a year or two I brought up the very same >topic on this here list and was roasted alive. I kid you not. > >I'm not about to jump into it again, but hey, there ya have it. AFAIK he was never married to Rosalind Kunath, although for all intents and purposes they were longtime, committed partners. Though I've never heard definitive confirmation I think it's relatively safe to assume that she is Maisie's mother. He was actually married to Cynthia Hunt (I believe sometime in 1990), though how long that lasted I don't really know. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:14:52 -0700 (PDT) From: fred is ted Subject: Re: The lack of any real content in this post astounds even me, quite frankly and going downhill rabidly - ---Mark_Gloster@3com.com wrote: > "A neologism (pronounced nee-AH-low-djism) is a newly invented word or term. A second meaning given by > Webster's for neologism is that of "a meaningless word coined by a psychotic." LOL! Have you considered a career in academia? You show great promise as a researcher! > Say, isn't James working in the field of Neology at Otago? :) Ted "yeah, we get high on music." Kim Deal _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:31:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: romanticizing the blues or evil... On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, amadain wrote: > I think there's also something to goth kids, and these guys.......they do > sort of know instinctively that there's knowledge in that suffering, > somewhere, something mysterious they don't quite know about, and they're > drawn to it. That's not wrong. What's wrong is thinking you know what it is > when the worst thing you ever suffered was your air-conditioning breaking > down on the freeway or once being called a loser when you were in fourth > grade. Get some proportion and perspective, please. At this point in the thread, an idea occurred to me. Maybe these blues wannabes, or some of them, think that listening to the blues *teaches* them about real suffering. (Not an unreasonable idea, as long as it's not pushed too far.) If there are any white suburban blues fans who feel that way, I think they'd deserve more respect than the ones who think they can understand the blues because their girlfriends dumped them in 11th grade or whatever. This has been another random thought from Chris. Stay tuned for more! ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:37:04 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: athens summer music extravaganza >On Thursday (at the 40 Watt) are Elf Power, Darling Little >Jackhammer, Bunnygrunt, Dressy Bessy, Gritty Kitty, The Push >Kings, and Sukpatch. Personally, I think Robyn H. fans would >be fans of Elf Power, even more so than Neutral Milk Hotel. >The Push Kings are definitely from the Paul McCartney side of >the Beatles equation. Am I completely crazy, or did Elf Power contribute to the original Tape version of Glass Flesh? They aren't on the CD. Did they do "Tonight"? I can't remember. Must eat more brain food. - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 98 18:44:44 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: my t-shirt snobbery Chris Gross writes: >I dunno.... While I like the idea of being able to meet other Fegs (and >asking "Hey, are you on the Feg list?" takes care of that awkward >don't-know-how-to-start-a-conversation thing), I usually start conversations at Robyn shows with, "Who the fuck does this guy think he is? Syd Barrett?" That usually works. >I probably wouldn't want to >hang out with a bunch of people all wearing the same shirt. I am *all* for us having our own shirts, but I would feel kind of creepy wearing them at a show. Not only would I feel like a Stepford Feg (--and what would Woj do with his Toast Shirt? --) but have you ever seen those List-shirt wearing types? Yikes! I'm still traumatized by realizing I have something in common with all the Van Morrison fans wearing them at the Guinness Fleadh. >Perhaps some pseudo-Masonic secret sign instead? Hey! I'm sure I have some nice harmless gestures here in this ALEISTER CROWLEY book. . . . >One of my many endearing eccentricities (i.e., neuroses) is that I try to >avoid going to a concert wearing a t-shirt commemorating any of the acts >performing at that concert. (Perhaps some part of me is afraid that >people will sneer, "Look at that guy trying too hard to fit in; obviously >a loser....") Yes, yes! Oddly, I have this same endearing eccentricity! Unless the shirt is from a tour at least ten years old. That way I can then strut around and have all the younger fans worship me in a spontaneous display of coolness and coolosity. ("Wow, man! You saw Rush on the fuckin' HEMISPHERES tour? You must be a REAL FAN!") Then comes the wild chicks, the free smack, the fast cars. . . . >Instead I prefer to flaunt the colors of another band in a >slightly different but related genre -- Nik Turner to see Monster Magnet, >for example, or Laika to an Orbital show. If I recall correctly I wore my >Uz Jsme Doma shirt to one of Robyn's shows. Oddly, I always wear a Robyn shirt to every concert I go to. Trolling for curious potential fans, you know. . . . >I got a big kick this way >once at a Phish show, when they played Laurie Anderson over the speakers >during the set break and I realized that I was probably the only person >there wearing a Laurie Anderson t-shirt. Yeah, I had a similar moment seeing the new "Island of Doctor Moreau." I was wearing an "Einstuerzende Neubauten" T-shirt -- something I rarely wear -- and some guy before the movie asks me what the hell it all means. So I explain that it's an experimental German music group, etc. . . . and guess who Val Kilmer is listening to in the movie? Life is weird when you stop thinking about how weird life is. >np: Garbage, _Garbage_ np: the Garbage disposal. Another coincidence? - --Quail - ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | Literature Site - The Libyrinth: TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth www.rpg.net/quail | Vampire Site - New York by Night: riverrun Discordian Society | www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 98 18:44:49 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Ordo Templar Quailientis mwa-Ha ha ha ha ha! You have all been badmouthing Aleister Crowley! Doom upon ye! Ye shall be forced to remain in a locked room with no comfy padding and forced to listen to Ozzy albums until your hair grows long or falls out, whichever comes first, mwa-Ha hah hah! Seriously, though. I have read most of Mr Crowley's major works, and I only wish to say this short bit in defense of the old goat. (He is a Discordian Saint after all.) Crowley was, indeed, a prankster and a con artist of the highest degree - -- and he fairly well admitted it. He was also astonishingly arrogant, outrageously boastful, and more selfish than a sackful of Montgomery Burnses. But don't buy into the "Aleister Crowley was an Evil man and a Satanist" shtick, either. Nor was he a "pathetic loser." That statement is untenable for anyone who has made an effort to read some of his better works. Despite his occasional tendency for cruelty and that pesky English sense of colonial superiority, Crowley was highly intelligent and articulate, a very gifted writer, an excellent student of metaphysics, and wrote some of the most lucid works on the subject of magick and doubt to be penned by any member of ex-member of that gaily Victorian knitting circle, the Golden Dawn. He was more like, well, an Edwardian Timothy Leary crossed with Hakim Bey than he was an Anton LeVay or a Charlie Manson. Much of Crowley's thought has influenced a wide range of modern weirdness and fringe literature, from Robert Anton Wilson to W.S. Burroughs to Grant Morrison. His writings on the Tarot and the Qabalah alone are still considered some of the most thoughtful commentary on an often misunderstood and unfairly maligned subject. And he was a helluva swinger, too, from what I've heard. . . . The truly sad thing is that there are so many Ritalin-popping cat-knifers and goofily rebellious Marilyn Mansonites running around spouting Crowleyisms, and the fact is they have not the slightest clue what old Frater Perdurabo was really saying. Essentially, Crowley believed that Godhead rested in the human soul, and that all our systems of magick, occult, religion, philosophy, and science were merely tools to exert this Will, the essential tool of the magician. And because we *were* the Gods, because all our systems were manifestations of our already polluted senses, Doubt was also an essentially tool of the magician. He was certainly anti-Christian, but he was not really "evil" in the Jeffy Dahmer or Grand Moff Tarkin sense of the word. . . . I recommend "The Book of Lies," one of the most eye-opening and twisty set of parables and poems I have ever read. Well, there. Now that you think I'm wicked or possessed or pathetic, let me just sulkingly retreat to my room and play my old Bauhaus albums and plan my Sideshow Bob-like revenge. . . . - --Aleister Quailey PS: Um . . . by the way, I kinda *like* Marilyn Manson. . . . but don't tell my mom. - ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | Literature Site - The Libyrinth: TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth www.rpg.net/quail | Vampire Site - New York by Night: riverrun Discordian Society | www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:41:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: athens summer music extravaganza On Tue, 7 Jul 1998 Mark_Gloster@3com.com wrote: > > >On Thursday (at the 40 Watt) are Elf Power, Darling Little >Kings, and > Sukpatch. Personally, I think Robyn H. fans would >be fans of Elf Power, > even more so than Neutral Milk Hotel. > > Am I completely crazy, or did Elf Power contribute to the > original Tape version of Glass Flesh? They aren't on the CD. > Did they do "Tonight"? I can't remember. Must eat more brain > food. they did a cool, creepy "Surgery". They are great people, and fegs should listen to their music, which is very good. =b for brain food, pick up some Weetabix. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 98 15:53:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Hmmmm....... ======== Original Message ======== >Ya know, I just want to say that a year or two I brought up the very same >topic on this here list and was roasted alive. I kid you not. > >I'm not about to jump into it again, but hey, there ya have it. AFAIK he was never married to Rosalind Kunath, although for all intents and purposes they were longtime, committed partners. Though I've never heard definitive confirmation I think it's relatively safe to assume that she is Maisie's mother. He was actually married to Cynthia Hunt (I believe sometime in 1990), though how long that lasted I don't really know. Love on ya, Susan ======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== hmmm some more. I'm sure I remember Trudi from the fan club bemoaning Robyn's taking up with Cynthia because he had a wife and child at the time. This doesn't make it fact, of course. Gene noted: >Ya know, I just want to say that a year or two I brought up the very same >topic on this here list and was roasted alive. I kid you not. Well, Terry started this one but I SAY WE ROAST GENE FOR IT ANYWAY!!!!!!!!! - -rr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:12:45 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: romanticizing the blues or evil... >At this point in the thread, an idea occurred to me. Maybe these blues >wannabes, or some of them, think that listening to the blues *teaches* >them about real suffering. (Not an unreasonable idea, as long as it's not >pushed too far.) Oh sure. This is obviously perfectly respectable. Much good documentary/scholarly work on the history of the music comes from these folks, as well. >way, I think they'd deserve more respect than the ones who think they can >understand the blues because their girlfriends dumped them in 11th grade >or whatever. These are really the kind of people I was talking about. "Suffering groupies" would be a good name, I guess. My friend Abby, who like me is a rape survivor, would often talk rather angrily/amusedly about those people who would claim they had been raped, VOCIFEROUSLY, and then when they actually told you what happened, they'd say something like "well, it wasn't actually force or anything, but he -verbally coerced me-". Newsflash- this is called SEDUCTION. Maybe you were persuaded into something you weren't enthused about, and regretted it later or even during, but that is not really the same thing as being assaulted at knifepoint. It ain't what happened to me, or to my friend, or thousands of other people, not by a long stretch. So quit trying to -claim- an experience you don't have. There's nothing wrong with not having the experience per se, actually, it's - -wonderful- that you never had it and God willing you never will have it. Just don't make your experience into something it isn't because you think it makes you cool or noble or something. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:28:59 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Ordo Templar Quailientis >Burnses. But don't buy into the "Aleister Crowley was an Evil man and a >Satanist" shtick, either. Nor was he a "pathetic loser." That statement >is untenable for anyone who has made an effort to read some of his better >works. He was a well-educated man and on occasion wrote well, granted, though his poetry is pretty bad, I think you would admit. And he WAS too an evil guy. Ever heard of that disciple named Raoul something, and his fiance? Damn suspicious if you ask me. >of the most lucid works on the subject of magick and doubt to be penned >by any member of ex-member of that gaily Victorian knitting circle, the >Golden Dawn. The Golden Dawn was a pretty big con. Wow, that even rhymes. >And he was a helluva swinger, too, from what I've heard. . . . If you wanna swing, swing. Fine and good. Just don't go around justifying it by saying it's about finding priestesses or about liberating mankind from Christianity or any other stupid thing, as if it's some kind of weary duty that you undertake out of a sense of philanthropy, and which we should all think makes you an awesome guy. It does NOT. It merely makes you a person who is a swinger, which is neither good nor bad but simply there. >Crowleyisms, and the fact is they have not the slightest clue what old >Frater Perdurabo was really saying. Yeah, this is admittedly true. >Essentially, Crowley believed that Godhead rested in the human soul, and >that all our systems of magick, occult, religion, philosophy, and science >were merely tools to exert this Will, the essential tool of the magician. Fine. Actually I believe this myself to an extent. He's far from the first to think of it, incidentally. Where I have trouble is jumping from there to this idea that we all by rights ought to start sex cults and con people out of money, merely because we CAN. Is this really a Hgher Self activity? Methinks not. Since when was the Higher Self entirely about unquestioning pursuit of the gratification of one's whims and mowing down (or attempting to) anyone who stands in the way, under the guise of "spiritual liberation"? >essentially tool of the magician. He was certainly anti-Christian, but he >was not really "evil" in the Jeffy Dahmer or Grand Moff Tarkin sense of >the word. . . . He did a lot that was evil, and certainly had an eye to profit and din't seem to much care whom he destroyed in the process. Anti-Christian, that's just fine, but it's oversimplifying a bit to say that that was Crowley's entire purpose. His purpose was keeping Crowley in money, babes, and ego-strokers. This is an enlightening path for anyone HOW? I tend to be immediately suspicious of anyone who actually gets off on having followers and tries actively to recruit same, and really likes to be worshipped. A genuine spiritual teacher isn't at all interested in such. A con artist is. And they are mutually exclusive. If you see Buddha in the road, kill him. He's a figment of your imagination anyhow. Know what I mean? Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:14:15 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: romanticizing the blues or evil... I think that a certian amount of the white-suburban-baby-boomer-who's- into-the-blues phenomenon might come from the fact that they were of a music- appreciating age when "Eric Clapton discovered the existence of the blues in the late-60's" (which is maybe how these people perceived of it at the time?). For them, it probably held the same pubescent thrill as Led Zeppelin or the Scorpions did for those of us at either end of Gen X. What else was there back then? Well, a lot of stuff was just starting to happen, but, for the most part, the Rolling Stones were the raciest thing around up until 1967. Nothing against the Stones, but I can imagine that, during the Blues Revival, a lot of folks must have been like, "Yeah, this is the real McCoy! This is where the Stones came from!" Perhaps there's still a charge of rebeliousness in there, held over from an earlier time. Most likely, though, I should just shut my trap when it comes to analyzing the mass psyche of a generation of people who came before my own. Anyway, it's just a theory. Equally valid is the theory that those white suburban boomers are just a bunch of wankers who should've stuck to listening to Gary Puckett and the Union Gap. - -------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:05:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Condiment Spice Subject: Re: I t-shirt snobbery > I usually start conversations at Robyn shows with, "Who the fuck does > this guy think he is? Syd Barrett?" That usually works. This only works if you have been talking throughout the whole first half of the show. Other wise people just think your weird. > I am *all* for us having our own shirts, but I would feel kind of creepy > wearing them at a show. Not only would I feel like a Stepford Feg (--and I mentioned to JH# (I think) that I get beat-up enough at school for being a computer geek, why take it to the streets with the ole internerd blazed on my chest or back. Some thing more clandestine is in order. There is talk of raising the idea. I am more than will to put forth some time on the art front (as I will be able with a function computer soon). Here in Hicksville, t-shirts can be made in runs as small as seven, and I am told this is a standard practice with some shops, this small run. Thus, there could be identifiable designs, but have them be unique both in terms of color and design. Stay tuned while the committee proposes ideas... > > >Perhaps some pseudo-Masonic secret sign instead? > > Hey! I'm sure I have some nice harmless gestures here in this ALEISTER > CROWLEY book. . . . > I it known far and wide that when "throwing down signs," Eddie reaches for loaded side-arms and a forty of his favorite. For those of us on the west coast, a bad idea; the guy does get around, y'r ken?? > >One of my many endearing eccentricities (i.e., neuroses) is that I try to > >avoid going to a concert wearing a t-shirt commemorating any of the acts > >performing at that concert. Indeed, something more abstract is in order. After all you don't need to pin your ticket to your forehead just to prove you paid to get in. .chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:17:59 -0400 From: "mr. pointy" Subject: Re: my t-shirt snobbery there was talk of a list shirt a year or so back (right around the roasting of gene, as i recall). our very own tom clark actually has a t-shirt design which you can view on the web. alas, i can't find the url right now, but i thought it was something like . tom? +w ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:10:37 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: Ordo Templar Quailientis Hahahaha... (lots of reverb, evil sounding laugh, lots more echo...) I was just trying to get TGQ to say something. He took the bait. All of the kind encouragement that I used to get hime to write didn't work, but to crush one of statues in the cthulhu menagerie zapped some life into him.... Is The Great Quail back for real??? Glad to hear from you TGQ. I haven't read to terribly much of Mr. Crowley's works, but didn't feel that I had to. About dearest A. Crowley, I'm sorry if it came out that I thought that he was a pathetic loser. Actually, what I meant to say in an every-man-is-my-brother-and-every-woman-is-my-sister kinda way that he was really a revolting pathetic loser who had a lot of brains and some word processing skills and charisma who drove himself and encouraged others to follow him off the diving board into the dumpster. It seemed to me that he failed to take responsibility for the ills that he put upon himself, let alone others. I agree that he had some good ideas mixed in with his overall picture, but it just seemed to me that he was just a sad, dark Elvis kind of thing, that his life just etched a caricature in the minds of the world and it is really hard for his gracelanders to convince the non-gracelanders and vice versa. This was overheard at one of the Crowley Community Outreach meetings: "Hey followers, it's really cool being evil." -A.C. "Real cool. Be evil." -followers "I get to take lots of drugs and make ritual whoopie with chix who wear black." -A.C. "Real cool. Be evil." -followers "Anybody know where I can get some absynth and blood to drink?" -A.C. "Real cool. Be evil." -followers - -Sharkboy, spreading joy and merriment at the expense of dead guys. Hope The Great One will still speak to me after this. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:24:24 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: I t-shirt snobbery >> I am *all* for us having our own shirts, but I would feel kind of creepy >> wearing them at a show. Not only would I feel like a Stepford Feg (--and >I mentioned to JH# (I think) that I get beat-up enough at school for >being a computer geek, why take it to the streets with the ole >internerd blazed on my chest or back. Some thing more clandestine is in >order. There is talk of raising the idea. I am more than will to >put forth some time on the art front (as I will be able with a function >computer soon). Here in Hicksville, t-shirts can be made in runs as >small as seven, and I am told this is a standard practice with some >shops, this small run. Thus, there could be identifiable designs, but >have them be unique both in terms of color and design. Stay tuned while >the committee proposes ideas... I went to a Boingo show where several members of the audience were wearing school bus yellow tee shirts with primitive applique (70's t-shirt I'm with stupid styling) that said "alt.fan.oingo.boingo" - I'm sure I was not alone in snickering a bit. If the shirts look more like actual concert shirts than "Hey, I'm a geek. Kick Me!" shirts, they'll do better. I went to UNR in the days that one who could read the letters on a typewriter would be pressed into service as a Creative Writing professor. One more matter on this. Since it is so much work for whomever is coordinating the effort, doing the design, etc. I suggest that anyone volunteering to do such things take a long look at it. I'm sure that Terry found out from doing his tapes and Tom found out from trying to fly the T-shirt here before that it just sucks when everybody whines about the decisions you made, even if they didn't help in the first place. That's my $.02. > >One of my many endearing eccentricities (i.e., neuroses) is that I try to > >avoid going to a concert wearing a t-shirt commemorating any of the acts > >performing at that concert. I'm sure I'm the only one wearing a Stan Ridgway shirt to see King Crimson, but I did see another one at a Robyn Hitchock show. This practice does puzzle some other people- especially at King Crimson shows. - -Markg ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #256 *******************************