From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #248 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, July 3 1998 Volume 07 : Number 248 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: JWH;Hyperion (my last notes on the alcohol thing) [amadain ] from today's exotica digest (some gravity content) [Eb ] Re: B.A. Fegtivities [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: totally irrelevant ["JH3" ] Re: totally irrelevant [tanter ] Re: totally irrelevant [Aaron Mandel ] thread catch-up [fred is ted ] from randi - I'll tell you about my drugs - 25% RH content [Tim Fuller ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:34:36 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: JWH;Hyperion (my last notes on the alcohol thing) >Susan--thanks for all your comments on AA, etc.--very well put. Why 'sank you :) I should note for the record, it's probably blindingly obvious but just in case, I never actually participated in AA. I just used some of their material ;). As I said, quite a lot of their practical advice can't be beat, at least, IMX. It's just that "higher power" thing I couldn't get over and frankly, the idea of group therapy was hard for me to swallow too. >abstinence is partly because there *are* so many recovering alcoholics who >can't judge--e.g. who will drink far more than a non-alcoholic would and >think they're being moderate-- I had forgotten about this part since it's been a long time since I reset my compass. But you're absolutely one hundred percent on the money with that. Thing was that I -knew- I was way off with my ideas of what "moderate" was, so I kinda took the strategy of asking trusted friends to tell me when they thought I was over what they considered moderate. Of course that isn't really an ideal approach for everyone (you have to trust your friends, and you have to be willing to embarass yourself enough to ask), but over time as what other non-alcoholic persons considered normal began to "take", my compass went back to more moderate settings. I also took a lot of cues from watching others as to -how- they drank, and tried to slow my pace to theirs. I kind of had to learn that too. >but also because they're still mired in >black-and-white thinking: all or nothing. Well, I wouldn't go -quite- there but what you're saying has some merit, in the sense that they feel that if they don't abstain, they'll be slaveringly tempted to binge, because they've never used moderately before and don't have the first idea -how-. Even if you don't feel all or nothingish, you may still not want to feel its hand on your neck. In the early times I had this feeling a lot. It would creep up on you. I read this story once about a handsome prince in a beautiful fairy palace, and the fairy there said "you can have all this, including me for your bride, if you stay where you are and don't approach me. As the music plays, so the test will last as long as it does. The longer you stand in place, the better your resolve will be, the more you are able to stand, and the more you move towards me, the more tempted you'll be and the less able you will be to keep in place or go back to where you were". Don't remember what this was from. I seem to recall it was English. Anyway, it was like that, the more you started the more tempting it was to keep on, and the 2 or 3 beer thing was really agony. As if you saw an old ex across the room that you were far from over, and you saw that they were there by themselves (right there! you could have them!), and forgot all the bad things about the relationship there ever were and just wanted their arms and their kisses like nothing else ever. At those times I just hadda say "see ya people" and go home, because I knew otherwise I'd never make it. But like any other romance, the feeling has faded with time and a lot of abstinence, to where I can actually be in the same place with this particular ex, and talk with them a bit and stuff, and not really want them anymore. James Moody you can go ahead and blow now if you want to, I'm through! :) Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 12:35:09 -0700 From: "J. Katherine Rossner" Subject: folkie stuff, Hyperion again Just in case any of you a) are folkie types, and b) don't know about this: The Woody Guthrie Memorial Free Folk Festival, in Oklahoma, July 17-19. Headliners, with opening concert to be filmed by the BBC, are Ellis Paul and Billy Bragg. I'd be going if I could afford the airfare... Anybody else going to see Dan Bern at the Freight & Salvage in Berkeley next Friday (7/10)? JWH note: "When the Beatles Hit America" can also be found on the EP OTHER PEOPLE'S FAILURE (the title song plus several outtakes from NEW DEAL). Another RSPCJWH item. (My collection isn't complete...I passed up the chance to buy the Christmas EP when it appeared in Amoeba's used section, because that was before I was really listening to JWH. *sigh*) *** >From: David Librik (re JWH) >As the Saw Doctors would say, "Jayzus Gawd Almoighty, dayze are fine albums!" >Why this guy isn't incredibly famous is beyond me. Did his label do him dirt? There were rumors of that on the mailing list, I think--don't remember any details whatsoever, sorry. **** >From: "Partridge, John" (re: Hyperion) >(e.g., multiple rip-offs of Orson Scott Card and the crummy hack who >wrote Necromancer); and 3) a very weak writer (I apoligize for >not giving more specific support to this point but I neglected >to commit the cliches to memory). What do you find a rip-off from Card? Not that I'm a big fan, but I've read quite a few of his books--or should I say, a few variations of his book? he can tell a good story, but he's told it many times now--and I don't especially see the similarity. But maybe I'm being misled by the difference in attitude; Simmons doesn't seem to take delight in human depravity, whereas Card gives me the feeling that he's straining to sniff and frolic in all the excreta of human evil, and held back only by the leash of his religion. (block that metaphor! sorry, but I couldn't resist.) And, as Chris said: examples of weak writing? I wouldn't say Simmons is the best writer, or even s.f. writer, around, but he's readable. Thanks for the Peake poem, though. **** >From: Christopher Gross >BTW, this little thread inspired me to pull out my copy of _Hyperion_ to >read over lunch. I opened it at random and found that I'd turned directly >to the section J. Kat. quoted (p.160 of the paperback). Spooky, eh? >Okay, maybe not.... Don't be silly; it's the feg paragraph, and maybe you stared at it long enough that the book opens to where it was held open. :) Katherine n.p. Garnet Rogers, NIGHT DRIVE - -- Ye knowe ek, that in forme of speche is chaunge Withinne a thousand yere, and wordes tho That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge Us thinketh hem, and yit they spake hem so. - Chaucer, "Troilus and Criseyde" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:15:06 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: folkie stuff, Hyperion again >difference in attitude; Simmons doesn't seem to take delight in human >depravity, whereas Card gives me the feeling that he's straining to sniff >and frolic in all the excreta of human evil, and held back only by the >leash of his religion. > (block that metaphor! sorry, but I couldn't resist.) Hehe, that's exactly what -I- thought when I read that sentence! :) Anyway, I haven't read the authors in question (care not I for scifi for the most part) but I had a general observation. I tend to really like writers who wanna dig into the evil. It's one of the few things I actually really really like about Burroughs, his tendency to imagine and create new evils and plumb the depths of the possible. At one time I thought this was more than a little gratuitous, but I read a comment of his once that opened my eyes to what I feel was his real intent. On the back of a paperback copy of the Necronomicon I saw once (please, don't 500 people write and tell me that's not a "real book", I know it isn't :)) there was a quote from Burroughs that says something like: "Now we know the limits of evil". And then I had a lightbulb moment and thought, he wants to push at the limits because he wants to know that there ARE limits, and if he exhausts his imagination for evil that means that that imagination IS exhaustable and has an end to it. I can totally relate to this. While I think growing up in the age of WWII, where the world saw something that was unthinkably evil actually -happen- right under their noses, probably has a great deal to do with Burroughs's motivations, I think it's also a pretty common human drive in any age. The thing is though, that revelling in it is to me part and parcel of this drive, because finding the limit of one's own personal capacity for evil and the enjoyment thereof is an important aspect of imagining human limits in general. I don't know if this is what Orson Scott Card engages in or not, but if it is I have more sympathy for him than I would for a writer who refuses to "go there", because I find that artistically and humanly timid. On the other hand, if he's just sort of gleefully rubbernecking, that's a different thing altogether :). Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:36:44 -0700 From: Eb Subject: from today's exotica digest (some gravity content) See? There ARE people interested in Claudine. ;) Not on your life. Eb >From: sfunk@pop.adn.com (Stephen Funk) >Subject: (exotica) Claudine Longet > >>Claudine Longet > >Could someone tell me a little about this person? > >There's a bootleg Sinatra concert where he refers to her as "one of the >finest marksmen of all times" which gets huge laughs from the audience. > >I, of course, don't have any idea why this is supposed to be so funny. > >Anyone? >------------------------------ >From: LeAnn & Dave Davidson >Subject: Re: (exotica) Claudine Longet > >At 05:07 PM 7/1/98 -1000, you wrote: >>Could someone tell me a little about this person? > >Others will know more, I'm sure. She put out several albums in the late >sixties (and early seventies??), mostly light French/English pop. Three of >her albums made the US Top Forty, although no singles did. She was married >in the later sixties to the under-appreciated crooner Andy Williams. > >In the seventies (?) she was tried and convicted for fatally shooting skier >Spider Sabich, and spent an unknown time in the hokey. > >So, speaking of Claudine: On the album "Claudine" (A&M SP 4121), she sings >a duet with an uncredited male singer on "A Man and a Woman (Un Homme Et >Une Femme)." Does anyone know the identity of the man singing with her on >that track? >------------------------------ >From: "paul m." >Subject: Re: (exotica) Claudine Longet > >>I, of course, don't have any idea why this is supposed to be so funny. > >while she was married andy williams she shot a ski instructor guy she >was having an affair with... hazy on it beyond that.. >------------------------------ >From: >Subject: Re: (exotica) Claudine Longet > >Go here, > Cuddle Up >With Claudine Longet! > >I mentioned the Stone's song "Claudine" here a while back, and the lyrics and >tons of Claudine info are now posted on this site. Have a look, I think her >gravity-defying-towel photo may still be there there too. > >The link is available from Vik's Lounge Valet. > >JB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:54:55 -0600 From: amadain Subject: totally irrelevant Yesterday I received SEVEN rather large digests from the Paul Weller list, all about England vs. Argentina and accusing different athletes of failing drug tests and "fuck off cunt, Beckham is a wanker" and so forth and so on. Today I have received three or four more. They have now degenerated to one line "piss off fucker" responses with NO content at all. Pages and pages of it. And Mark Holden thinks -we're- uninteresting and irrelevant! :) Just wanted to say it. It really makes me appreciate Feg that much more. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:08:54 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: B.A. Fegtivities I've decided to cc: the feglists in hopes that we might attract more fegs out of the woodwork for any and all of the following events. Delete this message now if the thought of rubbing elbows with the unwashed fegmasses curdles your tentacles and causes fuzz to grow on your dusty bees... 1. LUNCH Wednesday, July 8, somewhere in the south bay. I'm thinking about doing a brew pubbish place. I plan on bearing inconsequential gifts for lunch participants. Faultline near Lawrence/101 OK? 2. Double Secret Glass Flesh 2 recording project (my house) AND Dinner + Dan Bern Show Saturday, July 11. Please let me know if you plan on participating. This will be a fairly laid-back day and should involve either sushi dinner (MOBO) or mexi (EL PALOMAR) dinner downtown Santa Cruz b4 the show. 3. I want to hear your feelings about hosting the next FEGPARTY. It might serve as a great bookend to the summer with the Quail's party if it occurs on Labor Day. Since I would like some help from y'all keeping Bayard's head out of the bean dip (he likes those bobbing games) and other such nots, so I'm asking about your date preferences. Also, I will need to work with the experts (Tom, Glen) on beverage advice. I hope to be able to reward throngs of fegs for their travels by not serving Brown Derby Light, or worse. There will be plenty of non-alcoholic bevvies too. Sydney, is Boone's Farm v1998 a good wine? Maybe I'll need some help with wine too. Guitars. Beaches. Swimming Pools. Movie Stars. South Park episodes. Scary stories. Hmuhs (I hope). Okay, not swimming pools. That's it fernow. Hope to see y'all soonlike. Please, if other (California) Bay Area fegs want to always be on the bay area activities list, please (re)mind me. I seem to have misplaced mine. Thanks, - -Sharkboy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:01:09 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: totally irrelevant >Just wanted to say it. It really makes me appreciate Feg that much more. Yes, but you have to admit, Beckham *is* a wanker... - -John "Go Manchester United" Hedges * * * * * Note to Britfegs: Before you all flame me, remember that I, too, am a wanker. *And* a yob, and bloody proud of it, too. So there. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 20:03:27 -0400 From: tanter Subject: Re: totally irrelevant At 07:01 PM 7/2/1998 -0500, JH3 wrote: >>Just wanted to say it. It really makes me appreciate Feg that much more. > > >Yes, but you have to admit, Beckham *is* a wanker... According to Dr. Ruth and other sources, most men are..... Marcy ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:43:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: totally irrelevant On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, tanter wrote: > >Yes, but you have to admit, Beckham *is* a wanker... > According to Dr. Ruth and other sources, most men are..... is this the one engaged to Posh Spice? i'd definitely be forced to seek other outlets... anyway, my roommates love "Gene Hackman". it's a mixed blessing, since they frequently ask me to put some Robyn on the stereo, but when i do they don't pay much attention and eventually ask if he has any other songs like "Gene Hackman". a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:26:05 -0700 (PDT) From: fred is ted Subject: thread catch-up Hey Fegs, I'm back from a prolonged squawk/research trip/family reunion/concert junket/weddding/etc jag on the East coast. First point--has posting picked up on the list in the past month or so? I come back to find five kajillion posts in my box. Say the word with me... "Unsubscribe." OK, here goes: BEN Nic.; my fave Capt. Sensible albums are "The Power of Love," "A Day in the Life of.." and "Sensible Singles." The latter two are compilations. Hard to find now. Try Pastel Blue or GEMM. The RH collaboration was "It's Hard to Believe I'm Not." Gear tune. TERRENCE M.; Re Sean Lennon--I've only run across the video for the first single on M2 (neat one by Spike Jonze). Howard Stern sure had a great time goofing on the mellow vibe SL chose to go with on the disc. EVE Ems.; Bless your heart for mentioning "Manos, the Hands of Fate." Best MST3K *ever*. Honest to god, Robyn stole the dinky horn riff that constitutes/plagues the incidental music for "Manos" and used it on "It Sounds Great When You're Dead." Joel Hodgson--*funny* Mike Nelson--*not* funny (as host) TONY Black.; The Monochrome Set..they were a hoot! The first three albums all had plenty of high points. Make sure to check out the cut "Yohoho" from the "Jacob's Ladder 12." It's ssuuupah. KARMAFUZZZ: Comparing Green Day to the Buzzcocks is a stretch, imo ("Orgasm Addict" excepted). Love 'em both. Better Than Ezra... feh. DEDE Davis; "The Lathe of Heaven" was indeed a fine adaptation. It caught a good circular nightmare vibe. Definitely brings to mind Philip Dick's work. WEST; we don't get the "Loveline" radio show here in Cowlumbus. We get "Lovephones" instead--eechhh. The radio show must wail, cuz I really like the MTV show. I've learned alot about my self and SOs from it. Dr. Drew really is a first-rate therapist. Adam's a riot. Dr. (of physiology!) Laura is very dangerous--completely untutored, angrily projecting her own weaknesses onto others, and no sense of humor-- a great combination. The weak eat it up, of course. So much media, so little time. East Coast Concerts--saw X at the 9:30 in D.C. The band was awesome, though Exene was not coming through the mix too well. Billy Zoom hasn't slowed a tick, and still has that heavy-lidded, dare-stare, bent-leg pose thing down pat. The crowd was a bit logy at first--typical D.C.--too cool to pogo. They warmed up nicely by the end, happily. Ram's Head; topping show, neat setting. Sorry to have missed my fellow fegs. The post suggesting we wear identifying pins, shirts, etc, was a good one. I got panicky at the idea of asking strangers "are you a Feyg?" (sorry, ongoing Stern show joke). "Mike the Viking" and "Cheese Alarm" had our table emitting yummy beer right out our noses...wheee! Free the Brie." "You've Got a Sweet Mouth" (title) is insanely catchy. "I smell platinum" sez the A&R tick. SUSAN D.; you deserve a separate post because... you're so damn good! You mentioned Gary Webb (oh yeah, Numan), in a recent post! I just got (at great expense and trouble) the Japanese import of "Replicas." "Me, I Disconnect From You" is from God. Phew!... Me, I'm winded! P.S. Thank god I missed the concept album thread. Ted "yeah, we get high on music." Kim Deal _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:34:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Fuller Subject: from randi - I'll tell you about my drugs - 25% RH content Hi all... My other bestest friend in the whole world Sarah came to visit me today - so she brought me her laptop and modem to use for the next few days - sweet :} > Ms. Susan expressed so well in earlier digests: > I believe personally that the substances themselves are neutral, it's > the people that use or abuse them that determine their effect. > A lot of substance abusers and addicts are prone to thinking > that this is all their fault because they have no discipline. > There is ample evidence to suggest that the substance itself isn't what > produces the effect. Well Susan, I totally agree. A writing teacher and I were once discussing this very topic, and he said that we are socialized into thinking "something" will produce "X" effect. For example - the first time you have an orgasm could be scary - if you are not told that it is a good thing...that it will make you feel good. The same thing with drugs - if the first time you smoke pot you feel weird and out of control, but perhaps, you know that the "desired" effect is "good" - so that in itself can affect the outcome of the experience. Addiction is such a wide topic - some people are addicted to being in a relationship, others may be addicted to the fear of letting people get to really know them, then there is the whole world of foods one can be 'addicted' to...and I am certainly addicted to Robyn Hitchcock - there is no question of that ;} Once upon a time, I did a audio/visual presentation called "Tell Me About Your Drugs." I created a soundtrack using the words from the song TMAYD from EOL, me speaking and slowing down the speed, and I mixed it with some sound effects and "The Pit Of Souls {Country Version}" from IH. The slides I took involved all types of abuse and addiction... There were photos of every religious building I could find, to represent Buddism, Hinduism, the Islamic Religion, Synagogues, Crosses...you get the idea... I took pics of all _my_ drugs...which are quite a sight to behold, trust me. I also had a slide with heroin, cocaine, razor blades, and needles... - - one with all kinds of chocolate products - - another filled with dieting aids - - a table full of junk food - - a slide where there was nothing to see but empty alcohol bottles - - a slide with pot and hash and rolling papers and bottles and stuff The star of my presentation was "The Cookie Monster" - someone had once given me a gigantic one - he is almost as big as me - though I'm only 5'2". So poor Cookie Monster had all these problems with abusing himself and his addictions...my favourite shot was "Cookie" strung up on a tree, with red lipstick on his mouth, wearing a garter belt and a bra - and - well - sorry to those who I will be offending - he was strung up as if on a cross {no actual cross was used in the making of this scene} - and looking very dead. Of course, when I showed it in class my teacher said: "What the hell was that and what do you think you are going to do with it." Now, I am a very over-sensitive person, especially when I am in pain...so I just wanted to bawl...but I turned on the light, dug my nails into my palms, stared him in the face, and retorted: "Win the $500 prize for best audio-visual presentation of the year," then I turned on my heel and walked out of the room then ran to the bathroom and cried for about half an hour. Then I looked in my purse, and remembered my Morphine, Codeine, and Percocet...and...I took three percs...calmed down...and went home. The teacher gave me a "D" which magically changed to an "A+" when I did win the prize. But I am still ashamed of all the times when I was in so much pain and instead of taking two percocets I took three, just so I could have some relief from the real world. And that is what I think addiction is, escapism of a sort. I hate that band - aaaahhh - yeah - Matchbox 20 - but there is one line that I think of all the time when the "lonely goatherd" {from the Sound Of Music} runs through my tummy - "I wish the real world would just stop hassling me." And I do wish it would...but over the last 10 years I've found coping skills within myself that I can't believe I have. But let me tell you, every time the nurse brings my pain-killers, I breathe a sigh of relief. The only time I allow myself proper pain relief is when in hospital...morphine, codeine, and percocet...among other things are always in my purse...I just try not to take them. So I am addicted to _not_ taking painkillers 'cause it makes me feel weak...like I don't have enough discipline to conquer the constant 24 hour a day pain on my own. That is how I have socialized myself. I don't know if my personality comes from that, from the Crohn's battles, or if it's just the way I was born. Why is it that I used to be able to drink 6 shots and lots of beer and not get drunk? Willpower? I don't know...I just decided I didn't want to lose control...same with smoking pot. And Susan, I have so much respect for your honesty, and all the posts you've written on this subject. I wish you didn't live so far away...'cause you must be an excellent human being...and I wish we could go out and have dinner and hang out. And Marcy, I also think you expressed yourself from the heart...and if you ever want to talk...I'm an email away... One more thing...as a writer at heart {I just produce those music videos to make money to write and work on my documentary about Crohn's}...I could never write anything interesting, much less coherent were I drunk or stoned or whatever. In the music biz - I see people doing mushrooms and coke, then going off to a party and getting drunk and taking Ecstasy (sp?) - and I think it's pretty sick. On Halloween one guy started puking and choking and if I hadn't been there to help i don't know what might have happened to him...he topped off the above with heroin. So - I guess if I ever see *McGyver* on my TV - I'll know I've taken waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many painkillers. The doctors swear that as long as you just take pain meds when there is pain, you can't get addicted...I've had days where I've needed 3 percs every 3 hours, then the next day I've taken maybe 2 for the whole day...so I will willfully and definitely take responsibility for me, treat my Crohn's and addictions like they are little babies who don't know any better, and raise them as I raised myself. When I talked to Robyn about this topic he said the most unexpected thing...I won't get into private details...but he told me he gets up every morning at 7AM to work on his material. I figured him for a lazy get up at noon kinda guy...but he is not...and I have it on tape to prove it ;} I hope no one takes offense to the content of the post, as well as the length of it, it's just that addiction is something I live with every day, it's chronic, like pain, like Crohn's, and I just had to add my thoughts to the topic. fading back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, Randi *what scares you most will set you free* - Robyn H. {truer words never spoken} and Carole - an email with my number will be on its way shortly. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 14:52:04 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #246 > It took that Lennon topic to get me to add my two cents this time, >but I also have something to say about our beloved Robyn. I LOVE his >music. apologies for the blatant NZ music plug here, but if Hitchcock has a certain Lennon like qualitiy to his voice and sound, then those of you who prefer the McCartney side of the L&McC combination NEED to hear the new solo Neil Finn album "Try whistling this". oh, and from the Twilight Zone of daytime TV, I was home at 1pm this afternoon and idly flicked on the box. What should I see? Remington bloody Steele! James ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:10:46 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #247 >Pot? Har!! By the time the Beatles moved over to pot, they were already >experienced amphetamine users. This fact has been played down, yet >everyone remembers the stories of how the Beatles had to play for hours >a night in Germany, and the only way for them to manage that was to pop pills romanticised it may be, but the movie Backbeat is worth noting on this point. It shows quite clearly that it was 'pep pills' of one form or another that enabled the Beatles to perform their multi-hour, any and all hour, sets >In any case, you only have to sing that initial descending >'ding ding ding!' in my direction to make me giggle, lately... get it right... it's boooiiiing! ding ding ding dong! :) James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:32:18 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: thread catch-up >Dr. (of physiology!) Laura is very dangerous--completely untutored, >angrily projecting her own weaknesses onto others, and no sense of >humor-- a great combination. The weak eat it up, of course. Ted, my friend, it appears that you and I have now two big things in common (three if you count Robyn fanship). Dr. Laura Schlessinger also strikes - -me- as a dangerous and actually pretty hateful person. Ewwwww. I wouldn't even have known about her and thus not cultivated a blistering waste-of-good-energy hatred for her except that my grandmother adores her and once sent me a book of hers for my birthday. *eyeroll* >SUSAN D.; you deserve a separate post because... you're so damn good! Thank yous! :) > You mentioned Gary Webb (oh yeah, Numan), in a recent post! I just >got (at great expense and trouble) the Japanese import of "Replicas." >"Me, I Disconnect From You" is from God. I just bought the import of "Pleasure Principle" myself which is why I have been listening to him a lot again (used, 10 bucks, somebody dumped theirs at "Quaker Goes Deaf"). They have really excellent liner notes, neh? He is really fascinating to me. There's something sort of compellingly fragile about him, it shows in the music, so exquisitely brittle and emotional almost in spite of itself. I once read somewhere that "he put a human face on dance music", and I think that hits the nail on the head. I also see him as occupying this sort of strange middle ground between the then-dying RB-CEF art tradition (my own awkward acronym for RoxyBowieCaleEnoFripp so I don't have to type it out in full constantly) and the synth-pop bubblegum yet to come. No one quite achieved again what he did, and actually few others even tried- Depeche Mode and various Bauhaus offshoots tried to imitate that frail, emotional yet very hook-y style, but they only came off sounding clumsy at it. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #248 *******************************