From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #244 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, June 30 1998 Volume 07 : Number 244 Today's Subjects: ----------------- i've got nothing but time (Re: lyrics up the cornhole) [Bayard ] Succour, another view [Condiment Spice ] Re: Merrill Fankhauser [M R Godwin ] Re: Clapton [amadain ] Recommended reading ["J. Katherine Rossner" ] Re: erk [amadain ] Re: Succour & The Shoes of the Phisherman's Wife [Eb ] Re: erk [Eb ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #243 [edoxtato@ssax.com] Fwd: Re: Succour & The Shoes of the Phisherman's Wife ["Gene Hopstetter, ] Re: RT - RH connection? [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: erk [Russ Reynolds ] lyrics again [Bayard ] Succour [griffith ] Re: i've got nothing but time (Re: lyrics up the cornhole) [Lobsterman ] Fwd: lyrics again ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: erk [tanter ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:19:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: i've got nothing but time (Re: lyrics up the cornhole) > I remember when I > had a lot of things > It was just another way > Of losing things > And as Wiggy says > You can't have everything > 'cause where would you put it? > I've got nothing but time for you So I've been wondering since i heard this the first time-- is this Wiggy the same Wiggy who taught Billy Bragg to play guitar? (are there any other Wiggies we knoe of?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:18:49 -0700 From: "Harmon Chuggabrew" Subject: Re: "Where Are The Prawns?" lyrics Tom Clark dixit: > On 6/29/98 8:22 PM, Ben wrote: > >all of us could go screaming > > there's some version where he sings "all of us could die screaming" > i like that one better. > > -tc That's the version on _Soft Boys 1976-1981_ which was intended for release on the "Legendary Radar Album" (which was later aborted). Also, in the first line of this version, I think it's "hairs", not "hair". - -g- - ----------==========**********O**********==========--------- Glen Uber Email: uberg@sonic.net ICQ UIN: 13311304 Web: http://www.sonic.net/~uberg "Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible." --Frank Zappa - ----------==========**********O**********==========--------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:36:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Condiment Spice Subject: Succour, another view > >Wondering if anyone can provide insight into the following...as in, are > >they worth getting? > > > >(1) Succour: The Terrascope Benefit Album > > Tedious, for the most part. About 7 or 8 good songs, about 25 weak ones. > Lots and lots of woozy instrumental space-rock that's just a big indulgent > bore. And the Hitchcock track isn't different enough from the Moss Elixir > version to be notable. I think Eb is letting his pop sensibilities get the best of him here. Succor should not be taken as an album of great songs by great artists. Rather, it is a motly collection of (mostly) lessor songs or lesser known band's songs that appeared on Ptolemaic Terrascope singles. Most of them are not stellar, but there are highlights, such as the Nurse with a Wound and Cul de Sac tracts. This compilation will not give you a clue as to why some people, when hearing Bardo Pond, clasp their hands to their ears fall to their knees, writhing uncontrollably and reach to the stereo volume control, screaming that someone "Turn it up!" The "big indulgent bore" depends on your point of view, if your looking for traditional song structure, you'll find it here not. You also will not find tedious hippy pseudo-melodies a la the G. Dead--it is not music that is "trying to be trippy because we are hippy." If you are more curious of the sounds your fridge makes or the sounds from airplanes (aeroplanes for the others on the list), then you might be on to something. But, it is not all sonic noodling; there is a fair amount of "typical" psyche. I strongly recommend this album if you think that what the PT offers might be interesting; if you have no interest in that then the album will bore you. Check out www.terrascope.org for more info. The Hitchcock tract is more than passable; the Green Pajamas tract may not be. Talking about pop sensibilites... that new Nick Lowe album, which I bought this weekend, is quite good. I would recommend that as well. Mr Lowe appear on NPR's Weekend Edition. He sang a few songs and entertained the usual questions. You should be able to download this from their RA files at www.npr.org. .chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:03:42 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Merrill Fankhauser I just had a look at the Terrascope page and was interested to find a mention of Merrill Fankhauser in the Randy California obit. The last time I heard of MF, he was playing in Mu along with Jeff Cotton (aka Antennae Jimmy Siemens) - that must have been in 1972 or thereabouts. Can anyone tell me what Merrill and Jeff have been up to since the demise of Mu? - - Mike Godwin n.p. original 60s copy of 'More'... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:40:14 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Clapton >My "fear of schmaltz and other strange vernacular phrases" indicators lit >up when it came out, Oh me too. I'm so glad someone else felt that way. People seemed to think I was a slime :) >should believe him when he said he had no belief or desire for the song to >be a hit, he just needed to get that off his chest. I'm sure your not alone >in that identification of feeling, I'm just not quite right next to you. Actually I believe him. I feel it was a genuine catharsis. It doesn't strike me -at all- as "this will be a hit, for verily what horrible person could resist a heartfelt song about a child". And no, Marcy is not alone at all, in fact, I felt rather alone at the time for -not- being moved by it because as I said, people seemed to think I was inhuman or something for not responding to it. Not to be -horribly- cynical but I think with some it was because the tragedy that motivated it was such a public event. How many thousands of songs are written from a similar kind of place by people whose private lives -aren't- news, that these same people who seemed to think I was so callous would not respond to themselves? >I suppose that all creative people need something to draw from. Well, of course. Something has to motivate you. >I also have to try hard to avoid coming down on somebody for his/her >popularity. >There's probably some really valid songwriting that makes it to the hit >stations and artists- it's pretty easy to throw it all wholesale into >the dumpster. That said, he does seem to miss my taste buds. He misses mine in a big way. I don't even really like Cream, but I respect it- the solo stuff just bugs me. Actually two of the biggest hits were written by J.J. Cale who in my opinion does them better, but that's my opinion. The way I feel about hit artists is that some of them are -obviously- valid. I don't know if you're talking about current hits or past, but in the past we had Bob Dylan make the charts as well as Johnny Rivers, know what I mean? Also are you talking about rock/pop station hits, or the more "adult contemporary" type hit stations where they'd more likely be playing Clapton these days (I'd agree the ground is pretty barren over there)? There are some hit pop singles that are completely comprehensible- "Walking on the Sun" seemed to me a justified smash, as with "The Way" and "Sex and Candy"- and some that aren't- "Closing Time", anything by 311 (the success of 311 will forever mystify me). >Imagine spending a great deal of time addicted to heroin and waking up >one day to find out that nobody remembers you. When you went into your >fuzzy hazy world, nearly every white boy thought you were god. When you >came out they only talked about some Fang Halen or Al Dime E. Ola. And they were still talking about your contemporary Hendrix. So maybe you thought it would have been better if you'd died. I don't know, I'm only guessing what kind of bitter thoughts might have passed through. I'm pretty sure it occurred to him tho. And rebuilding from the ground up is something I respect too. >and face may successfully make it to pop stardom. I actually do think >he does a lot with a fairly low grade vocal instrument, that is to say >only evil with a great vocal instrument.) I would -completely- agree. Actually this is one of the things that appeals to me about Jarvis Cocker. Nature did not gift him with an amazing vocal instrument, but boy he's sure figured out how to work the hell out of what he does have. This is a LOT better than say, being Mariah Carey who has a great instrument technically but only sings silly love songs that make me think Paul McCartney had no reason to apologize for his, by comparison, and sings them like a belting robot. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:03:30 -0700 From: "J. Katherine Rossner" Subject: Recommended reading Anybody else here lurking on alt.obituaries? Speaking of obsessions with death... but the real reason to read the newsgroup is the threads that start with a confusion of names. A recent example: >>>>>I always thought that John Mayall's work took a definite downwards spin >>>>>after he quit The Young Ones. >>>>> >>>> No- it was Cliff Richard who was in 'The Young Ones'. You're probably >>>> thinking about his tall, bespectacled guitarist from The Shadows, Lee >>>> Marvin. Lee later found fame as a movie actor and had a hit record from >>>> the film musical "Paint Your Wig On". >>> >>> Lee Marvin, besides being a great chop-socky action hero (luved him in >>> "Enema the Dragon") was also in the band Wings, with Denny Laine (of the >>> Moody Blues) and some other people. I know this because he is on an album cover. >> >> Stranger coincidences arise, as Lee's co-star from Paint Your Wig On was >> a certain Clint Eastman n-Kodak (who sang "I talk to the trees"). His >> daughter, Linda, married Paul Macca and played the piano really badly >> for Wings. >> > An obvious rookie mistake -- you're confusing band members and songs. > "Denny Lane" was the 'B'-side of "Marshall Fields Forever." Hope we've > cleared that up. - -- Ye knowe ek, that in forme of speche is chaunge Withinne a thousand yere, and wordes tho That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge Us thinketh hem, and yit they spake hem so. - Chaucer, "Troilus and Criseyde" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:54:10 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: erk >"I'd rather see you dead" and "run for your life if you can" are violent >images, but Clapton's and OK, Young's perhaps, are moreso. I would make a qualitative distinction here too. The Lennon lyrics feel to me more like someone who is horribly jealous, angry, and possessive, and - -wounded- by something, and making vague threats because of it. I think we've all felt this way at one point or another. I know there have been times when I was passionately jealous enough to have felt violent, but it always took that form, sort of a vague "I'm gonna GET you for hurting me like that". This is very different from -specific- violent imagery IMHO. >Also, Lennon was majorly on drugs when he wrote that. HELLO? Heads up! What does this mean? Addicted? Doing a lot recreationally? Under the influence of a substance at that particular moment? I'm very disturbed by vague phrases like "majorly on drugs", if you can't tell :). I'm also disturbed at the notion that this affects quality somehow, and that it is responsible for whatever negative emotions are present. While certainly long term drug use has a big impact on how people experience emotion, and -what- they experience, it doesn't -generally- bring out qualities that weren't in some way there already. Lennon was always a very possessive person, with a very deep fear of abandonment and a lot of unresolved anger towards women. If you know anything about his past this isn't at all a shocking notion but actually seems like a pretty normal response to the circumstances under which he grew up. I don't think the use of substances was what brought him to feeling that way, at all. >(I'm reading this awful book about Paul McCartney that came out last year Was the author's name Goldman? ;) >and basically, it makes the Beatles seem like 4 drugged out geniuses who >wouldn't have >been what they were without drugs. Very disturbing.) Some people really love to romanticize drug use under the guise of condemning it (rock biographers and jazz biographers are super-prone to this). I find this pretty effin disgusting. It's this sort of "well, I'm - -fascinated- by this but I don't want to admit I am, so I'll come down hard on those horrible people who do it". I also think that people attribute entirely too much to drug use. It doesn't MAKE someone a genius. I think because genius is such an unusual phenomenon, people want to find a root cause, and that's where you get tripe like this. Geniuses just exist. There is ultimately no one reason. Maybe you should tell me the title and author so that I can remember NOT to pick it up when I see it :). Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:57:20 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Succour & The Shoes of the Phisherman's Wife Chris wrote: >Succour should not be taken as an album of great songs by great artists. Don't worry -- I *definitely* didn't take it that way. Heh. >Rather, it is a motly collection of (mostly) lessor songs or lesser >known band's songs that appeared on Ptolemaic Terrascope singles. Most >of them are not stellar, but there are highlights, such as the Nurse >with a Wound and Cul de Sac tracts. Nurse With Wound...no "a." So far, you don't seem to be saying anything which I didn't. "Most of them are not stellar" -- yup. >The "big indulgent bore" depends on your point of view, if your looking for >traditional song structure, you'll find it here not. You also will not >find tedious hippy pseudo-melodies a la the G. Dead--it is not music >that is "trying to be trippy because we are hippy." If you are more >curious of the sounds your fridge makes or the sounds from airplanes >(aeroplanes for the others on the list), then you might be on to >something. Hey, don't talk down to me. I own *loads* of unmelodic avant-garde/improv type albums. Heck, who went to see Fred Frith perform last night? I judged the Succour album by its own values. I did not just hope it would all be "pop." As instrumental composition goes, I thought the album was mediocre for the most part. As instrumental improv goes, I thought the album was mediocre for the most part. As background music for smoking pot, it was probably *spectacular*, but I don't consider this a legitimate criterion. Now, who owns SEEFEEL's album Succour? THAT'S the one I really want to hear.... Eb PS Vinnie the Rotten Pus Ball Squid Face's midyear top 10, or a reasonable approximation thereof (it's looking like 1998 will be a lot better year for music than 1997): 1 Mangum, Mangum, Mangum 2 Rufus Wainwright/Rufus Wainwright 3 Lou Reed/Perfect Night Live in London 4 The Halo Benders/The Rebels Not In 5 The Jesus & Mary Chain/Munki 6 Jeff Buckley/Sketches for 'My Sweetheart the Drunk' 7 Sonic Youth/A Thousand Leaves 8 Smashing Pumpkins/Adore 9 Tori Amos/From the Choirgirl Hotel 10 Swervedriver/99th Dream ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:02:20 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Fankhauser Godwin wrote: >I just had a look at the Terrascope page and was interested to find a >mention of Merrill Fankhauser in the Randy California obit. The last time >I heard of MF, he was playing in Mu along with Jeff Cotton (aka Antennae >Jimmy Siemens) - that must have been in 1972 or thereabouts. Can anyone >tell me what Merrill and Jeff have been up to since the demise of Mu? Several years ago, I remember catching some BIZARRE music-video show on some tiny UHF channel. Saw it just a few times, but it certainly left an impression. It was called "California Music," I believe, and was hosted by Merrill Fankhauser. It was absolutely *pathetic*, and thus fascinating to me. The production values were one hair above public-access TV, and the music the guy talked about was nothing but hapless graybeard rock artists who were pooping along in clubs today after being popular in the early '70s or so. You know, like an in-depth look at the new Robin Trower album, or something like that. WACKY! Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:07:53 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: erk >>"I'd rather see you dead" and "run for your life if you can" are violent >>images, but Clapton's and OK, Young's perhaps, are moreso. > >I would make a qualitative distinction here too. The Lennon lyrics feel to >me more like someone who is horribly jealous, angry, and possessive, and >-wounded- by something, and making vague threats because of it. It's worth noting here that Lennon HATED "Run for Your Life" and thought it was one of his worst songs. Or so I recall. He hated "It's Only Love" too, I believe. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:13:12 -0500 From: edoxtato@ssax.com Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #243 So, I said (using Yadda-Yadda 1.0) >>And frankly, "If You Fall Out A Window Can I Write A Hit Song About >>You" just sickens me. I understand he's grieving and cathartic... but to >>me that's a personal thing. You wanna do something about it Eric, donate >>the proceeds of that song to the local housing authorities and town >>councils so they can put screens or similar sorts of safety covers in the >>windows of tall buildings. (Just a thought. I'm gonna get flamed for this >>ain't I?) And Michael responded (with Net Volley 1.0) >Mmm. . . flamed? Nah. Bugger. (Unlucky Alf accent) >But I disagree a bit about "Tears in Heaven"... Actually, I wouldn't >presume to know whether or not Clapton was selfishly motivated to >write, record and release the song... Sorry to convey the impression that I thought EC was out to capitolise on his son's death. That's not what I was trying to say. If he wants to write a song, build a bridge, sit on a beach for ten years... he's entitled. This, again, is a personal thing. I'm one of those folks who turns off the TV when we see the greiving widow on the news. To me, grief is a private thing and when I see so many folks making so much cash off of it... well, it sickens me. I realise we're all human beings and we all feed on each other to some degree or another, but the marketing for that song was over the top. I know my reaction is not rational. Just don't like grief being marketed, that's all. >but I *do* know that it resonated with me at a time when I >was grieving over the loss of a loved one (which happened >around the same time that song came out). So, that he was >able to share that experience was a powerful thing for me, >and probably for others, as well. I'm sorry for your loss and it's good that what he wrote and performed was of help to you. Nothing wrong with that at all. >Maybe it was just something he felt like he needed to do >and he didn't give a damn if it meant anything to other >people. Either way, I think it took some courage. I agree. Even if he never performed the song, I suspect it took no small amount of courage just to write the song. Hard facing a loss like that. >By the way, I'm not a Clapton fan, in general. I like a decent >amount of what he's done -- great guitar playing with Cream, "Layla" is an >incredible song, he did some good stuff in the 70's, and that's about the >extent of it. Just FYI, so you know where I'm comin' from. Fair enough. As I have said, he knows how to play and he's been around and all that. I don't find his work particularly interesting. End of Clapton rant. I go to have a cookie now. Look after yerselves... - -Ed, Doc, gotta let this hen where? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:20:22 -0400 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Fwd: Re: Succour & The Shoes of the Phisherman's Wife Chris wrote: >>Succour should not be taken as an album of great songs by great artists. But it *should* be taken as an album of great songs for a great cause, I think. That cause is the magazine, which is great, and has done quite a bit for Our Beloved Uncle Bobby. Sure, I've heard better compilations, and Succour has its weak spots, but it does have its moments, too (really enjoyed the Green Pajamas and Wellwater Conspiracy, but hey, that's me). And I'm glad to help out such a good magazine, which, like the Succour CD, has done much to broaden my musical horizons. And it had an OTC cut, too. >>If you are more >>curious of the sounds your fridge makes or the sounds from airplanes >>(aeroplanes for the others on the list), then you might be on to >>something. Hey, I love that kinda stuff. Really. But I didn't find much of it on Succour. I pop in a Nurse With Wound CD when I'm in the mood for that. Eb said: >Hey, don't talk down to me. I own *loads* of unmelodic avant-garde/improv >type albums. Heck, who went to see Fred Frith perform last night? What did he use to play his guitar at that gig? Forks? Sounds like a fun show. >As instrumental composition goes, I thought the album was >mediocre for the most part. As instrumental improv goes, I thought the >album was mediocre for the most part. Hmm, so who's good for that sort of thing? I've been in the mood for instrumental improv lately, and have a little (Curlew, Krakatau, the whole Thrill Jockey scene, and so on) but I need more. Pass on some recommendations. ++++++++ Gene Hopstetter, Jr. + Online Design Guy http://extra.newsguy.com/~genehop/ ++ All hail Brak! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:34:43 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: RT - RH connection? In a message dated 98-06-30 11:19:12 EDT, you write: << I'm listening to Robyn Hitchcock's 1996 album MOSS ELIXIR, and I noticed that the guitar solo at the end of the song "You and Oblivion" bears a really strong resemblance to RT's stunning intro to the studio version of "Calvary Cross." My guess is that it's a conscious homage. >> Well, I'd more likely guess that it's an *unconscious* homage. I think people like Robyn Hitchcock and Robin Williams have incredible capacities to take in information, stir it around, then spit it back out in a way that is amazing and generally unique (particularly our Robyn). On the other hand, I'm sure some accidental plageurism will happen from time to time, too. I know that the other Robin has been accused of this before. Unfortunately, I don't have "Bright Lights," so I can't testify as to the accuracy of the guy from the RT list's comments about the similarity of the guitar parts. I'm just saying that I wouldn't be surprised, but that I also wouldn't even hold Robyn responsible. It's all the fault of that wonderfully weird BRAIN of his! - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jul 98 01:47:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: erk ======== Original Message ======== >>"I'd rather see you dead" and "run for your life if you can" are violent >>images, but Clapton's and OK, Young's perhaps, are moreso. > >I would make a qualitative distinction here too. The Lennon lyrics feel to >me more like someone who is horribly jealous, angry, and possessive, and >-wounded- by something, and making vague threats because of it. It's worth noting here that Lennon HATED "Run for Your Life" and thought it was one of his worst songs. Or so I recall. He hated "It's Only Love" too, I believe. Eb ======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== all of which came out in the Playboy interviews in 1980 when he was asked to comment on virtually every song he wrote. It's a wonderful feeling to find out the artist who wrote and performed your favorite songs (Cry Bay Cry was another) sums them up as "a load of rubbish" - -rr (I have gas today) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:46:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: lyrics again I am purty dern sure it's "a different disease IN another translation" in 'flavor of night.' what do y'all think? btw ben, there is another list that has been set up by the mighty j. a. brelin to figure out lyrics. unfortunately it's on hiatus at the moment while its keep earns some bucks! i'm gonna get you succour, =b ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:57:08 -0700 (PDT) From: griffith Subject: Succour I'll have to disagree with Eb's comments regarding Succour. I really like the music on both cd's. The diverse music found on this release made me track down Olivia Tremor Control and The Bevis Frond to name a few. I'm not sure what the going rate is for the set, but the local record store I frequent has this double disc set priced at $ 15.98. griffith PS - when does the Olivia Tremor Control Vs. The Black Swan Network come out? = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Griffith Davies hbrtv219@csun.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:59:01 -0700 From: Lobsterman Subject: Re: i've got nothing but time (Re: lyrics up the cornhole) >> And as Wiggy says >> You can't have everything >> 'cause where would you put it? > >So I've been wondering since i heard this the first time-- is this Wiggy >the same Wiggy who taught Billy Bragg to play guitar? I know that Wiggy has a recording studio now (and thus is no longer in Bragg's band), perhaps Robyn has done some recording there. We know Robyn is well acquainted with Billy, so the fact that Robyn might be friends with Wiggy isn't a stretch. bye, john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:59:39 -0700 (PDT) From: griffith Subject: New Songs Here is a list of new songs that I have seen mentioned on this list: Adoration Of The City Cheese Alarm Daisy Bomb Dark Princess Eerie Green Storm Lantern Elizabeth Jade Feels Like 1974 Gene Hackman I Dream Of Antwoman I Feel Beautiful I Gruesome Hair I Saw Nick Drake I Thought I Heard NASA Clapping If We Hear Music I've Got Nothing But Time Jewels For Sophia Let's Go Thundering Loop The Loop Nietzche's Way No, I Don't Remember Guildford Nobody Loves You (But Jesus And Me) Ring Them Bones Viva SeaTac We Are The Underneath Where Do You Go When You Die You've Got A Sweet Mouth Robyn has really been in a writing frenzy. Any news on a new album? griffith = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Griffith Davies hbrtv219@csun.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:00:33 -0400 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Fwd: lyrics again Bayard said: >I am purty dern sure it's "a different disease IN another translation" in >'flavor of night.' what do y'all think? I always thought it was a dramatic pause between the two: "a different disease, [. . .] another translation" but with an unrecognizable syllable, like he inhaled or something, like he almost says "but" but decides against it midway through the syllable, a sort of "bu'. . . another". Please pardon my inadequate linguistic notation. Sheesh, maybe I've thought about that one too much. I have a particularly strong relationship with that song. I've always marvelled at the saxophone sound -- it's so sweet and languid that for a very long time (before the CD, actually) I was convinced it was a violin. That song, for me, is also one of the most visually entertaining Robyn has ever written, i.e., my mental movie of the song is quite involved and intense and well-realized. I'll pop in the CD tonight to test my theory. After all, it is autographed. >i'm gonna get you succour, *oof!* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:59:42 -0400 From: tanter Subject: Re: erk At 02:54 PM 6/30/1998 -0600, amadain wrote: >>Also, Lennon was majorly on drugs when he wrote that. > >HELLO? Heads up! > >What does this mean? Addicted? Doing a lot recreationally? Under the >influence of a substance at that particular moment? Well, according to this book (_Many Years from Now_ by Barry Miles), after about 1962 or 63 (I can't remember exactly), John and Paul smoked pot routinely on an almost daily basis and then John moved on to much harder drugs. Most of the book is quotations from Paul, from a series of interviews. Miles was also one of the Beatles circle. > >I'm also disturbed at the notion that this affects quality somehow, and >that it is responsible for whatever negative emotions are present. While >certainly long term drug use has a big impact on how people experience >emotion, and -what- they experience, it doesn't -generally- bring out >qualities that weren't in some way there already. Lennon was always a very >possessive person, with a very deep fear of abandonment and a lot of >unresolved anger towards women. If you know anything about his past this >isn't at all a shocking notion but actually seems like a pretty normal >response to the circumstances under which he grew up. I don't think the use >of substances was what brought him to feeling that way, at all. I don't disagree with you. Miles says that it's about Cynthia and he suggests that the drugs had a lot to do with their marriage falling apart. I don't think the drugs are responsible for the emotion but maybe they did influence the violence. I haven't heard of his having any violent tendancies before the drugs.... >Some people really love to romanticize drug use under the guise of >condemning it (rock biographers and jazz biographers are super-prone to >this). There's no condemnation--maybe that's what disturbs me about it. The drugs are discussed in a very matter-of-fact way and in the direct quotes from Paul, he does seem to be saying that the drugs were a big help. (all of Sgt. Pepper is about drugs, for example) Marcy ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #244 *******************************