From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #221 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, June 13 1998 Volume 07 : Number 221 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Syd.... [dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich)] Re: Syd.... [Capuchin ] two thingies... [Mark Gloster ] Birth, childhood, schizophrenia, old age, Death. [Patrick Welker ] Re: Tentative Cheeplings [Benjamin Brainard ] Re: two thingies... [Capuchin ] Re: two thingies... [Aaron Mandel ] Wacky Suspended Chords [JH3 ] Re: Wacky Suspended Chords [Ross Overbury ] Re: Wacky Suspended Chords [Eb ] Re: Wacky Suspended Chords [nicastr@idt.net (Ben)] a short rant, suggestion [JudeHayden@aol.com] Re: Wacky Suspended Chords [Ross Overbury ] [none] [Chris ] Re: [nicastr@idt.net (Ben)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 03:21:54 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: Syd.... On Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:27:51 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > >I am not a Brian Wilson expert or anything, but hasn't he sorta been out of >it, mentally, for a number of years? And if so, wouldn't one expect that >his musical output would be affected? Although there are cases such as Syd >Barrett's where he made some wonderful music while he was "grooving on a >different plane".... Wonderful? Better than "Piper" or the early singles? I don't think so. This may be heretical on a robyn hitchcock list, but the syd solo albums are very sad listens...the man can't even keep time anymore! An d"word song"...It may be a predecessor to "tropical flesh mandela", but it comes across sounding like train crashing into a shallow lake, but very slowly.... -luther p.s.- isn't the main chord of chinese bones some weird suspended thing? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:55:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Syd.... On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, David W. Dudich wrote: > Wonderful? Better than "Piper" or the early singles? I don't > think so. This may be heretical on a robyn hitchcock list, but the > syd solo albums are very sad listens...the man can't even keep time > anymore! An d"word song"...It may be a predecessor to "tropical flesh > mandela", but it comes across sounding like train crashing into a > shallow lake, but very slowly.... I'd rather listen to Syd's solo albums than anything Pink Floyd ever produced. I've only very recently heard their stuff... and I've been a Syd fan for years (yeah... I'm probably the only person who loved solo Syd and never bothered with Floyd). Saying that Syd "couldn't even keep time anymore" is really missing the beauty of his music, I think. The misstepped tempos serve the music so much better than metronome precision could have. There is honesty and innocence and uncalculated brilliance in those albums. There isn't an hours practice behind ever overlapping sound and three consecutive notes. Don't get me wrong, I love calculated music. I'm completely into plotting out every click and whistle beforehand and reproducing a tune like clockwork, but what Syd does is so much more difficult to pull of without sounding amateurish or oversimplified. I don't have a coherent thought to portray here, but I just wanted to completely disagree with Luther's post. Thanks J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:26:17 -0700 From: Mark Gloster Subject: two thingies... I don't have to go back to work until next Thursday. Whee. Thingie #1: The voicings I use for Chinese Bones are these, and I am smart enough to be aware that they aren't really just B A and E in these voicings but I'm too damn lazy to figure each out, only to be incorrect or have someone try to 'splain why it's actually one or more of that chord's enharmonics. There are no Eb's and no B-'s I'm pretty sure, though. 8-) B A E 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 6 9 9 7 9 9 7 7 7 5 0 It took the Amazing Nick Winkworth and I about eleven seconds to figure this ditty out after I started hanging on the B voicing. It sounds best on a twelve string with a tall guy on fretless bass, unless you have a short one handy. Also, these voicings are not going to work on a piano unless you use your hail mary pick. I am seriously considering recording this song for my own next CD. Thingie #2 Ani D'franco: She is monsterously talented, but for me isn't quite a sum of her talents. She's an awesome guitarist and has a great voice, but she just kind of twitters her words in a rapid spoken vibrato most of the time. It kind of wears on me. Yea, she has guts and seems really hip, but I'm waiting for her to move around a little before I consume her wares. That said, I have complete respect for her and why the hell would she want to change what she's doing that works for her just to sell a CD to me? Dan Bern toured with her for about a year. She is at least partially responsible for his succsess as she really helped promote him. They are both lumped together in the "folk-punk" genre, so those who don't understand the breadth of the label place them too close together. She calls Dan Bern "The Shit" in the complimentary way, as opposed to the fecal matter way. Thingie #3 (I was lying or this one's free) Labels: I'm not a stoner and I really like what I've heard by Too Much Joy. Still trying to find _Cereal Killers_ somewhere. I also have long hair and am not a stoner. I have used "xians" to raise the hair on the back of the neck of "xians" and also to abbrieviate because I don't like typing too many characters (really, sometimes I just can't stop myself- please back me up on this Quail, don't you dislike typing?) I remember once some of us infidels whacked religion on this list and at least one really nice feg unsubbed because of it. It's hard for the more insensitive part of my capricorn heart to imagine that typing "xians" could elicit serious pain and agony in the bowels of christians, but I do try to avoid venting all of my anti-religion biases in such a way as to lose more great fegs like Terry. In a way, I think I have more to learn from people who see different things when looking at existence than others that see the same as I- even if I choose not to drastically change my view. Sometimes it's like using triangulation to extrapolate the third dimension. Okay, I'm done typing. Yea, I know, I'm in a dimension of my own. It's kinda cool here. "It looks expensive." Happies, - -markg, first student of bigrubbersharkology rubrshrk@tigermonkey.com Remember, Terry Marks is your friend. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:46:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Welker Subject: Birth, childhood, schizophrenia, old age, Death. I'd just like to mention that September Cones gives me a deep desire to burn some weed. Only 11 more days till Roys 'Dream Society hits shelves, for those of us that are stateside that is. I'm tinkling myself in anticipation(no, not really). NMH should be winging its way toward my cdplayer at this moment. That is all. I thank you for your time. Patrick. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:16:15 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Birth, childhood, schizophrenia, old age, Death. Well, that's not quite the right title, but the Godfathers thank you for the attempt. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:51:47 +0100 From: Tony.Blackman@sita.int Subject: No, I don't remember either..... Carole said.... > Robyn mentioned that Tim used to live in Guilford, which sounds > appropriately dreary (but I could be wrong. Anyone from Guilford > on the list?) Every time I've been to Guildford in the last few years, all there has been to do is to enjoy the spectator sport of surly youths racing each other round the one-way system in their tarted up Ford hatchbacks with go-faster stripes, playing techno music as loud as possible through sub-woofers whilst simultaneously shouting at any young females walking on the street and being chased by the one under powered police car in Guildford. Obviously the swimming pool has lost its charm these days. Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:36:14 +0100 (BST) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: amazon.com: We're just not trying... I've noticed that, in browsing Amazon's new music section, that none of Robyn's albums have user reviews yet. Both of NMH's have. C'mon, people... - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 02:02:56 -0700 From: West Subject: Re: robyn mentioned on nationally syndicated radio show!! Count Macula wrote: > Note: LOVELINE radio and LOVELINE mtv is the same basic thing, same two > hosts, same people calling with the same types of problems, BUT i think > there's a big difference. The radio show is two hours long (tv show is only > 1/2 hr.), and you don't have to see how uncomfortable the hosts are on > television (or the guests for that matter) The radio show has a more loose > feel to it. The differences between radio and television versions of Loveline seem, to me, that the radio show is less indulgent in the more sensationalistic aspects of the format, and therefore more genuinely helpful; also, since it is not just television but MTV, watching the television show one would conclude that only attractive people in their late teens-to-early 20's have problems, and the rest of us should just slit our wrists and be gone. Just one of far too many reasons why I say: Television is evil, and will ultimately destroy us. No, Virginia, the evolution will not be televised. Somethingly, West. - -- *********************************************************************** West A. Moran E-mail: ipalindromei@earthlink.net "...No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity." "But I know none, and therefore am no beast." --William Shakespeare, "Richard III". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:47:27 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: Syd.... >p.s.- isn't the main chord of chinese bones some weird suspended >thing? > > Well, Robyn keeps that open E string ringin' and ringin', making the B chord either a Bsus4 or B add 11 (which is what I'd call it) depending on your point of view. Let's see, that's one chord discussed, bringing the chord counting total to 1. Yip! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:50:41 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: Syd.... >On Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:27:51 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > >> >>I am not a Brian Wilson expert or anything, but hasn't he sorta been out of >>it, mentally, for a number of years? And if so, wouldn't one expect that >>his musical output would be affected? Although there are cases such as Syd >>Barrett's where he made some wonderful music while he was "grooving on a >>different plane".... > > Wonderful? Better than "Piper" or the early singles? I don't >think so. This may be heretical on a robyn hitchcock list, but the >syd solo albums are very sad listens...the man can't even keep time >anymore! An d"word song"...It may be a predecessor to "tropical flesh >mandela", but it comes across sounding like train crashing into a >shallow lake, but very slowly.... > I don't know if I would say that Syd's solo albums are better than his Floyd stuff, it depends on the day of the week you ask me. But "madcap" and "Barrett" are soooo good, it's pointless to discuss!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:31:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Crd request: Globe of Frogs Has anyone the chords to Globe of Frogs? (Yeah, there's one on the feg site, I think, but I wrote that one and I know how inaccurate I can be. I'd try it again, but someone nicked my tape of it.) Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:54:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Benjamin Brainard Subject: Re: Tentative Cheeplings > > Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:34:24 -0700 (PDT) > From: Condiment Spice > Subject: Re: Tentative Cheepings > > On Thu, 11 Jun 1998, Condiment Spice wrote: > > > On Thu, 11 Jun 1998, The Great Quail wrote: > > > > > yeah, and then there's the *roomate* problem. . . . Every time I go out, > > > more and more of my Grateful Dead CDs seem to be missing, and LJ's Used > > > CD Cash fund seems to get larger and larger. . . . > > > > May the diety bless here soul and the ship she sails! > > > > The idiot who wrote this meant to write "her" instead of "here." But, > you get the picture even if he does not. > > .chris > what's a diety? the god of phen-fen? ...ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:24:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: two thingies... On Thu, 11 Jun 1998, Mark Gloster wrote: > Thingie #3 (I was lying or this one's free) > Labels: > I'm not a stoner and I really like what I've heard > by Too Much Joy. Still trying to find _Cereal > Killers_ somewhere. > I also have long hair and am not a stoner. I was, of course, kidding about that non-stoner thing. There are a few TMJ fans on this list (a few) and I'm sure they're not ALL stoners. Some of them are old people. By the way, I was looking for a copy of Mutiny (a TMJ album) on CD a few years ago and the guy at the CD store said "Oh God... we don't even buy those anymore. We get offered three or four a week." Luckily, there's Everyday Music. EM buys anything no matter how many copies they already have in stock. So if you need a Too Much Joy album, I can pick it up for the $8-9 they ask. Same goes for the twenty or so copies of Queen Elvis they have. Spreading Portland's unwanted discs around the world, J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:19:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: two thingies... On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, Capuchin wrote: > I was, of course, kidding about that non-stoner thing. There are a few > TMJ fans on this list (a few) and I'm sure they're not ALL stoners. Some > of them are old people. i was going to complain that i'm neither, but my appreciation for TMJ waned on Mutiny and stopped dead with ...Finally -- so i'm only half-old, which is to say i'm young. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:06:04 -0500 (CDT) From: JH3 Subject: Wacky Suspended Chords For some odd reason I feel like it should be pointed out for the benefit of any non-guitarist fegs out there that despite the fancier-sounding names, the chords "Asus2 (add C#)" and "Bsus4 (add D#)" (used in lots of RH tunes such as "Chinese Bones" and "Airscape") are *easier* to play than an ordinary A and B because you don't have to make a "barre" with your index finger. In fact, if you use your thumb on the low string, you don't have to use your index finger at all. Your index finger could be busy doing other highly constructive things, like typing e-mail messages. I'm actually playing "Chinese Bones" right now, while I type this. (Later, I'm going to clean my oven while playing "Gene Hackman".) Maybe I'm wrong, but I've always assumed Robyn likes those chords because the open strings help fill out the sound when one happens to be the only guitarist on stage, as he often is. Which is to say I don't think he uses them because he's lazy or overly infatuated with the "Peter Buck sound"... yada yada yada. Of course I'm only posting this because I'm bored silly at the moment, and also because I'm deeply hurt by the fact that no one has ever accused me of being a "chord counter." I have, obviously, been called a "Formica [TM] kitchen counter" on several occasions. And while I don't like to whistle and I don't blow saxophones, I like placentas, because they have no bones. I'll stop now. John H. Hedges III, Inc. (pat. pending) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 15:28:18 EDT From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: Wacky Suspended Chords John confesses a vile barre chord fingering technique: > In fact, if you use your thumb on the low string, you don't have to > use your index finger at all. That's *much* more provocative than abbreviating names of deities! Naughty boy! > > I'll stop now. > Too late; you've lost your credibility if not your soul. > > John H. Hedges III, Inc. (pat. pending) > - -- Ross "stubby thumb" Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:58:04 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Wacky Suspended Chords JH3 wrote: "Bsus4 (add D#)" Is that you, Carl Palmer? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:18:24 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: Wacky Suspended Chords >Maybe I'm wrong, but I've always assumed Robyn likes those chords because >the open strings help fill out the sound when one happens to be the only >guitarist on stage, as he often is. Which is to say I don't think he uses >them because he's lazy or overly infatuated with the "Peter Buck sound"... >yada yada yada. I think he uses these cuz they are in the group of chords that sound cool on guitar and seem to be made for guitar, what with the ringing open strings... >Of course I'm only posting this because I'm bored silly at the moment, and >also because I'm deeply hurt by the fact that no one has ever accused me of >being a "chord counter." I have, obviously, been called a "Formica [TM] >kitchen counter" on several occasions. What you need to do is mail Eb an in depth analysis of "Tales From Topographic Oceans". If it meets the criteria, then you may officialy gain the status of "Chord Counter". If you do an *exceptional* job (which means your analysis makes Rick Wakeman confused) then you may be granted the label of "Proggie". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:56:28 EDT From: JudeHayden@aol.com Subject: a short rant, suggestion Howdy Fegfolk- Not to start a religious war (again), but I just nearly wrecked my car into someone with one of those goofy "fish thingys" above their bumper. I dislike those AND the Darwin fish, if it's any consolation. Then I thought- boy, it would sure be cool to have a little CRAB symbol of some kind instead of the whole "fish thingy". Sure, only about 3 other people in my town would get it, but hey- it'd confuse that many more others, at least!(?) So, anybody out there who works with fire and steel, er, with plastics or metals of some kind that could design one of those for driving Fegs worldwide? It'd be like Car-Feg-Newton, or something. Or, maybe I should've just wrecked and been done with it. Jude ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 19:27:21 EDT From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: Wacky Suspended Chords > > What you need to do is mail Eb an in depth analysis of "Tales From > Topographic Oceans". If it meets the criteria, then you may officialy gain > the status of "Chord Counter". If you do an *exceptional* job (which means > your analysis makes Rick Wakeman confused) then you may be granted the > label of "Proggie". > Or you could sit in with the Sugarplastic. - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:56:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Subject: [none] >>Who's this Bob Dillon guy? He's that character who was on Beverly Hills 90210. You know, the one who tried to act like James Dean, drove around in the porsche, and who's father was blown up by the mob "Daaaaaaaaaddddddd......". >...I got the new Brian Wilson album today, and it's really disappointing. Well, I was afraid of that. I'll have to pick up a copy anyway though. The things I suffer through by being a Beach Boys fan.... On another note- Can anyone recommend a good music magazine? I've been trying to find something that will have coverage on bands who aren't your typical top 40 alternative rock acts or the old dinosaur bands, but still aren't totally obscure. (Not that there aren't tons of great obscure bands.) I don't like Rolling STone or Spin, and Alternative Press isn't exactly what I'm looking for either, but it's closer than the first two. Anyone have any suggestions? (Anyone remember Creem or Trouser Press? Those were good magazines.) Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:15:55 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: >On another note- >Can anyone recommend a good music magazine? I've been trying to find >something that will have coverage on bands who aren't your typical top 40 >alternative rock acts or the old dinosaur bands, but still aren't totally >obscure. (Not that there aren't tons of great obscure bands.) I don't like >Rolling STone or Spin, and Alternative Press isn't exactly what I'm looking >for either, but it's closer than the first two. Anyone have any suggestions? >(Anyone remember Creem or Trouser Press? Those were good magazines.) > >Chris I like to pick up a magazine once and a while that's called "CMJ" (I think... it stands for "Current Music Journal" or something like that...) Anyways, the cool thing about it is that each issue includes a CD with about 20 or so tracks, all artists who are reviewed in the mag. I think more magazines should do that, after all, it's music that's being reviewed! ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #221 *******************************