From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #218 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, June 10 1998 Volume 07 : Number 218 Today's Subjects: ----------------- dylan [dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich)] rams head [dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich)] hitchcock and dylan [Nur Gale ] Re: hitchcock and dylan [Viccicraig@aol.com] That ol' devil Bill ["Jenée A. Jordan" ] birthdays shared with the KISS army ["Jenée A. Jordan" ] Re: Bob N' Robyn! [Patrick Welker ] Re: Catchin' up - (Fegmaniax digests 210-215) [sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu] Who Needs Pity? ["Major Woody Hardon" ] Re: hitchcock and dylan [Aaron Mandel ] Re: dylan and more dylan [M R Godwin ] Re: dylan and more dylan [kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander)] Re: dylan and more dylan [sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain)] Re: dylan and more dylan [Viccicraig@aol.com] Re: dylan and more dylan [sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain)] Re: dylan and more dylan ["Major Woody Hardon" ] Re: dylan and more dylan [Terrence M Marks ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 19:57:19 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: dylan On Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:36:59 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >If you like your Dylan diluted a bit, the "Basement Tapes" album is good >and also contains tracks by Robbie Robertson and other members of the >Band. And the Travelling Wilburys albums include a couple of amusing >Dylan songs. > >Finally, the most recent album 'Time out of mind' has been garnering good >reviews. Haven't heard it yet, though. ...Don't forget "Oh Mercy!" great album from 1989... -luther ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 20:01:57 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: rams head On Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:36:59 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > >The reunion I'm psyched for is X tour. I *just* found out about it. >The big draw is that godhead guitarist Billy Zoom has returned to the >fold for the tour. They'll be in WDC on Thursday at the 9:30 Club, >which means I'll make the big drive for that show and Robyn's on Sat >in Annapolis. Two faves in three days. School's out for summer, baby! >See ya soon, DC/Bawlmer fegs! You lucky...I can afford to only see RObyn... see you there! -luther ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 13:19:35 -0700 From: Nur Gale Subject: hitchcock and dylan i too don't find myself listening to much of Dylan's studio stuff -- aside from the Basement tapes -- after many years of collecting them. It is really the early live material that i find fantastic. The 1966 Free Trade Hall, Manchester being one in particular as someone already mentioned. And recently a fantastic concert from Hollywood Bowl, LA in Sept. 1965 has come to light (so i understand), which challenges the Manchester show as one of my favorites. Dylan's new time out of mind is steadily growing on me... and i think it is his best work in almost 2 decades... but i don't know how much it is Dylan i'm listening to or the genius arrangements of Dan Lanois who produced it and does much of the guitar work. Sometimes i feel it is more of the latter's contribution. cheers, nur ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:36:42 EDT From: Viccicraig@aol.com Subject: Re: hitchcock and dylan In a message dated 98-06-09 13:33:33 EDT >- so where to start? any ideas? The poor thing, you guys have now suggested about 70% of available Dylan titles, someone ought to make them a tape or something.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 13:53:09 -0400 From: "Jenée A. Jordan" Subject: That ol' devil Bill I KNEW it!!!! I KNEW it!!!!!! And you know why his first wife left him? She found out what "Microsoft" really meant........ jenee > As you know, the real name of Bill Gates is William Henry Gates III. Also, > if you know what is the ASCII code (one letter is a number) do the > following: > > Add the ASCII codes for BILL GATES III. Well, I do it 4U: > > B= 66 > I = 73 > L= 76 > L= 76 > G= 71 > A = 65 > T = 84 > E= 69 > S = 83 > I= 1 > I=1 > I= 1 > > Ready? Yeah, its 666!, the number of the beast! > > Coincidence...? > > OK, take WINDOWS 95.. Add the codes and...666!! > > and... > > take MS-DOS 6.2...AGAIN 666!! (One shiver...) > - -- "What is heaven?............Heaven is relief from tired tootsies." - --from Diane Keaton's 1987 documentary, "Heaven" Check out my web page: http://home.earthlink.net/~penpapercofe/ pen, paper, coffee - The Elements of Writing ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 14:03:13 -0400 From: "Jenée A. Jordan" Subject: birthdays shared with the KISS army Ok, ok enough about shared birthdays----but, what the hell----top THIS one guys, I share a birthday with Ace Frehley---no, no applause please. ;-) jenee - -- "What is heaven?............Heaven is relief from tired tootsies." - --from Diane Keaton's 1987 documentary, "Heaven" Check out my web page: http://home.earthlink.net/~penpapercofe/ pen, paper, coffee - The Elements of Writing ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 22:21:34 -0400 From: "mr. pointy" Subject: bottom line fegs okay noo yawk fegs -- i know you're out there. let me know if you're interested in pre- or post-show activities for this friday. i haven't made any concrete plans (i should be leaving work early, but it'll probably be touch and go as all friday afternoons are), but i'm thinking that dinner at some nearby restaurant that serves edible and reasonably-priced food (neither of which the bottom line seems capable of - -- though their fries make a pretty good desert if you're into that sort of thing) early enough to beat a retreat back to 4th and mercer and secure decent seatage. any restaurant ideas or whatever, please suggest off-list and i'll make sure that everyone knows what's up. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:05:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Welker Subject: Re: Bob N' Robyn! I would think that Biograph is the best and most thorough intro to Dylan. It cetainly showcases his best work, 'Visions Of Johanna' 'Tangled Up In Blue' (personnal fave) and a version of 'Isis' that just rocks!! It's a bit pricey for a first purchase, but it's WELL worth it. And if you no like it, you no like Bobby! >i've been trying to figure out what RH tracks might appeal to a Bob Dylan >fan, with the problem that if they're too much like Dylan, Robyn will >probably suffer from direct comparison (certainly in his eyes). my list; :-) IODOT September Cones Mr. Rock 'N' Roll Glass Hotel My Favourite Buildings As for Bauhaus, their shows were supposed to be pretty good way back when, weren't they!? I dunno', I was 11 in 1983. Murphy was o.k. live during the one solo show I did catch. Patrick _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:05:33 -0500 From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: Catchin' up - (Fegmaniax digests 210-215) >then she said that it was the day Ziggy Stardust was released, 1972. > >Susansusansusan! if that's significant in rock history, what about the >following anniversaries? >- Rock arond the clock reaches no 1, 1955 >- The Beatles audition before George Martin, 1962 I agree that those are significant, however, the Ziggy Stardust release is the only one of these dates that appeared as a "This Day in Rock History" tidbit on Rhino's webpage that day :). Which incidentally was the day the RMAT scores were supposed to have been posted. No, I'm not whining! If I beat Eb, the wait will have been worth it :). Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:45:29 -0700 From: "Major Woody Hardon" Subject: Who Needs Pity? Terrence M Marks dixit: > I was listening to Dark Princess today and thought that it sounded > familiar, sort of like a Pink Floyd song. Took me a moment to place > it, but the verse, especially the vocal line, is pretty similar to > that of Roger Waters' "Who Needs Information". > > Or is it just me? I mentioned after first hearing it that I thought it sounds like George Harrison's "Isn't It A Pity". The intro is the same chord progression as "Wreck of the Arthur Lee", too, I think. - -g- - ----------==========**********O**********==========--------- Glen Uber Email: uberg@sonic.net ICQ UIN: 13311304 Web: http://www.sonic.net/~uberg "Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible." --Frank Zappa - ----------==========**********O**********==========--------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:05:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: hitchcock and dylan On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, BENJAMIN.BRETTENNY wrote: > Dylan being the strange beast that he is goes through strange phases, i.e > bible bashing etc which i think can put of the beginner. when does Dylan bash the bible? i would find that a lot less off-putting than his sudden religious conversion. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:47:05 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: dylan and more dylan On Tue, 9 Jun 1998 Viccicraig@aol.com wrote: > The poor thing, you guys have now suggested about 70% of available Dylan > titles, someone ought to make them a tape or something.... Don't you believe it! There are stacks and stacks of Dylan albums, most of which didn't get a mention. I was just thinking how consistent all the recommendations had been, with Blood on the Tracks and Highway 61 Revisited topping most of the lists. Is there a Dylan discussion list? If so, they must have had a recent vote on his records. (Although come to think of it, they'd probably all vote for Blind Boy Grunt bootlegs that no-one else can put up with). - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:05:50 -0400 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: Re: dylan and more dylan >> The poor thing, you guys have now suggested about 70% of available Dylan >> titles, someone ought to make them a tape or something.... hell, part of the whole appeal of getting into dylan is the imposing catlogue. even the people who have all of the albums aren't satisfied and look for the live tapes. >Don't you believe it! There are stacks and stacks of Dylan albums, most of >which didn't get a mention. I was just thinking how consistent all the >recommendations had been, with Blood on the Tracks and Highway 61 >Revisited topping most of the lists. right on baby! those should be the first two to check out. there are plenty of other choice slabs once you get obsessed. >Is there a Dylan discussion list? If so, they must have had a recent vote >on his records. there is a dylan list and it has the some of the highest traffic of any list i've been on. it's up there with the U2 list and the guided by voices lists. there's plenty of stuff on the web; but why not just get highway 61 and get it over with? KEN "it's alright ma, i'm only bleeding" THE KENSTER ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:26:32 -0500 From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: dylan and more dylan >>> The poor thing, you guys have now suggested about 70% of available Dylan >>> titles, someone ought to make them a tape or something.... > >hell, part of the whole appeal of getting into dylan is the imposing >catlogue. even the people who have all of the albums aren't satisfied and >look for the live tapes. A few comments: First, 5 or 6 albums is far from being 70 percent! :) Second, it's a Dylan thing. Part of what is so fascinating is how different they all are, yet each uniquely -Dylan-. Everyone has their own favorites, though I've noticed that top 5s are pretty consistent overall. I have some favorites which I love specifically for the interesting facets of his quite fascinating (to me anyway) personality revealed therein, but which I would not recommend to new seekers :). I love "New Morning", but I really do think it's a Dylanperson album, although you never know- my first ever boyfriend first became interested after hearing "Time Passes Slowly". Third, I agree with the Kenster here. I was actually -attracted- by the notion of an imposing catalogue. Because that meant that if I was to actually get into this, there'd be LOTS more to discover :). One of the most heartbreaking and depressing experiences I've found in my own travels through fandom is falling in love with an artist only to discover that there just isn't much out there and what is out there may be hard and/or damn expensive to find (cf. my beloved Scott Walker :)). With Bawb this will never be a problem, as there's LOTS and unless you're talking about the "Five of Swords" bootleg or something, most of it's very easy to find and always in print. >KEN "it's alright ma, i'm only bleeding" THE KENSTER Glad you mentioned this one- it's the song that made me a believer :). Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:59:41 EDT From: Viccicraig@aol.com Subject: Re: dylan and more dylan In a message dated 98-06-10 14:26:30 EDT, sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >>hell, part of the whole appeal of getting into dylan is the imposing >>catlogue. even the people who have all of the albums aren't satisfied and >>look for the live tapes. > >A few comments: > >First, 5 or 6 albums is far from being 70 percent! :) sheesh i was joking you guys......I have a friend, matter of fact he is the owner of this AOL acct that i get mail on, Craig, all he does is collect dylan and dead and phish it seems.........its just the person asked for like a starter album........hehehe sorry if i offended any Dylan lovers sense of discography out there.......what was that i read about dylan going religious? or did you mean spiritual? i mean he isnt singing like hymns is he? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:46:02 -0500 From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: dylan and more dylan >starter album........hehehe sorry if i offended any Dylan lovers sense of >discography out there.......what was that i read about dylan going religious? >or did you mean spiritual? i mean he isnt singing like hymns is he? HOOboy! Ok, I'll try & keep this simple as I can, for the merely interested (as opposed to say fans, who know all this shit anyway). Dylan has always been a very spiritual artist and a spiritually restless sort of person. I personally define spiritual pretty loosely, pretty much including anyone who appears to me to write often about things non-earthly, or write about, for lack of a better way to put it, "a quest for meaning". This is all over Dylan's work from the beginning. References to deities, to astrology, to tarot, and to mythology, Egyptian and Christian in particular, are plentiful. Second, this particular quest for meaning in Big D's case has led to the pursuit of various different spiritual paths along the way. I suspect what people mean when they are referring to "the religious phase" is the period of 1977-80 (roughly) when Bob joined up with Jews for Jesus, and did a series of gospel albums (Slow Train Coming being the best known). He still performs a few of these tunes live, like "Solid Rock" (which I think is a corker, personally, and I'm far from being an evangelistic-type Christian) and "Gotta Serve Somebody", which are "like hymns" :). As I understand it he spurned this path sometime in the early 80s (perhaps this is related to the title of the first post-gospel period album, "Infidels"- I would think so but I don't know for sure). I know that since then he has spent some time on a kibbutz and has to some extent embraced Orthodox Judaism. Love on ya, Susan this morning I played chess with death, said the knight...... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:47:47 -0700 From: "Major Woody Hardon" Subject: Re: dylan and more dylan Viccicraig@aol.com dixit: > what was that i read about dylan going religious? or did you mean > spiritual? i mean he isnt singing like hymns is he? I don't know if he's had a relapse, but I know that he became a born-again X-ian in the late 70s. Two of his albums (_Save_ and _Long Train Coming_) are his proclamations of faith. I don't know what his dogmatic persusion is these days. BTW, despite the overtly religious lyrics, I think that "Gotta Serve Somebody" on_Long Train Coming_ is one of Dylan's better songs. - -g- - ----------==========**********O**********==========--------- Glen Uber Email: uberg@sonic.net ICQ UIN: 13311304 Web: http://www.sonic.net/~uberg "Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible." --Frank Zappa - ----------==========**********O**********==========--------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:07:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: dylan and more dylan On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Major Woody Hardon wrote: > Viccicraig@aol.com dixit: > > > what was that i read about dylan going religious? or did you mean > > spiritual? i mean he isnt singing like hymns is he? > > I don't know if he's had a relapse, but I know that he became a > born-again X-ian in the late 70s. Two of his albums (_Save_ and _Long > Train Coming_) are his proclamations of faith. I don't know what his > dogmatic persusion is these days. > > BTW, despite the overtly religious lyrics, I think that "Gotta Serve > Somebody" on_Long Train Coming_ is one of Dylan's better songs. > Y'know, I resent the implication that hymns are bad music or that religious lyrics (especially, it seems, Christian lyrics) are something to be overcome. There are good hymns and there are bad hymns. I've been to church and heard songs that've just floored me (musically, we're discussing here). (And I may be defensive, but it seems like "Xian" is one of those words that's usually written with a fair bit of derision. If I'm being defensive, I apoligize. If not, I'd prefer we do without it.) Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #218 *******************************