From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #184 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, May 9 1998 Volume 07 : Number 184 Today's Subjects: ----------------- lou reed [Michael Hooker ] Calling UK Quailheads [Nick Winkworth ] Re: i remember eno [Eb ] Re: lou reed [Scary Mary ] Re: i remember eno ["Chris, the missing years." ] Re: D# (totally off-topic) [Terrence M Marks ] Re: byn Rules! [Terrence M Marks ] Ouch (and you think *I'm* harsh...) [Eb ] Re: i remember eno [nicastr@idt.net (Ben)] Re: i remember eno [Ethyl Ketone ] Re: D# (totally off-topic) [Viagra Falls ] Re: winkiephonics [dlang ] Re: veteran cosmic rockers [dlang ] Re: takin' the Eb bait [dlang ] Re: Ouch (and you think *I'm* harsh...) [Bayard ] Re: i remember eno ["J.M. Brown H9602040" ] robyn at the bottom line! [woj spice ] Re: i remember eno [Jon Fetter ] R.I.P. ["Viagra Falls" ] Re: veteran cosmic rockers [Eb ] Robyn at the bottom line [Gary Assassin ] Ben Arion [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 18:06:57 From: Michael Hooker Subject: lou reed hi, all this talk about lou reed reminded me of an interview with lloyd cole when he moved to NYC from europe. when asked about lou reed living in the same neighborhood, lloyd replied: " he's a miserable old bastard. i avoid him as much as i can , and i can only hope he avoids me as well. The less i have to with him, the better." i happen to love lloyd cole, Mike Hooker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 16:49:07 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth Subject: Calling UK Quailheads Those Fegs domiciled in the land of Her Majesty the Queen, who are sick as parrots about missing the Quail bash (or vica versa) may like to know that there is (or at least *may be*) an alternative. You see, at the time of said bash I will be in the middle of my bi-annual visit to the ol' homeland and a couple of the list regulars to whom I suggested a possible meeting to share a long red bottle of Fullers ESB and pictures of Eddie in San Francisco, have responded positively. I had originally hoped to get to the NMH/Homer gig on the 24th, but by the time I finally found out where it was, the shoe-box sized venue was apparently sold out. So it may just be a pub somewhere (West London, probably -- sorry Stewart), though we are open to any other suggestions. (On the other hand, since we all know Robyn is reading this list, maybe we can persuade him to play a gig sometime at the end of May... ;) ) "Get to the point Nick!" Err..right. So.. If any other UK Fegs would like to join us for a drink and a chat (and maybe some music depending what's on) probably in West London, probably the weekend of May 24th - to celebrate the quail-a-thon from afar - please drop me an email and we can work out the logistics off-list. Still jazzed from the movie/GAMH get-together. ~N PS Since you didn't ask and clearly don't care, I will reveal that the phrase "WOW! That was just about all they could say. WOW!" comes from "Lilly's Purple Plastic Purse" by Kevin Henkes. Clearly you guys don't spend enough time with preschoolers... :) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0688128971/002-8626680-6292614 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 17:10:15 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: i remember eno >>>> Any fans of the music of Brian Eno out there? > >here's a list of what eno's done that pretty much speaks for itself. > >1974 Lady June, Linguistic Leprosy Guitar, Keyboards, Vocals I've seen mention of this album before -- has anyone heard it, or know what sort of music it is? Oh, and that list didn't mention his "Enossification" on Genesis' The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. I bet some other credits were missing too. >1989 Neville Brothers,Yellow Moon Keyboards, Sound Effects, Vocals >1993 INXS,Full Moon, Dirty Hearts Mixing Huh. Didn't know he had anything to do with those records. I think I have about 80 albums which include some sort of Eno participation, and I don't even own any U2 stuff. So yeah, I think Eno is nifty. He certainly ranks among Eb's Notorious 29. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 20:26:34 -0400 From: Scary Mary Subject: Re: lou reed At 06:06 PM 5/8/98, you wrote: >hi, > all this talk about lou reed reminded me of an interview with lloyd cole >when he moved to NYC from europe. when asked about lou reed living in the >same neighborhood, lloyd replied: " he's a miserable old bastard. i avoid >him as much as i can , and i can only hope he avoids me as well. The less i >have to with him, the better." > >i happen to love lloyd cole, >Mike Hooker > I was just looking through my video tapes to gather some Robyn-related bits for the Quail-fest and on one 120 Minutes tape Dave Kendall introduced a Lloyd Cole video and asked Robyn if he liked Lloyd Cole. Robyn said he did and started to play "Walk on the Wild Side." Dave asked Robyn if he thought Lloyd Cole was influenced by Lou Reed and Robyn responded "Just like some people say I'm influenced by Syd Barrett." Mary ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 18:10:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chris, the missing years." Subject: Re: i remember eno On Fri, 8 May 1998, Ken Ostrander wrote: > >>> Any fans of the music of Brian Eno out there? > > here's a list of what eno's done that pretty much speaks for itself. > > 1972 [snip! a massive list] > Yeah, but he still hasn't produced Peter Tork. .chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 21:09:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: D# (totally off-topic) Anyone who considers unusual a reference to a pop-culture phenomenon in "Seinfeld" is obviously off her nut... (I saw it, but forgot...what was the ref?) Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 21:24:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: byn Rules! > >It's not so much a question of "lack of concern for > >lyrical content" -- it's a question of him "concernedly" ranking > >PETER TORK on the lyrical level of Lou Reed, fer chrissake. > > Is it? Sounds to me like Terry might rank *lots* of people on or above the > lyrical level of Lou Reed, and he was just using Peter Tork as an > (egregious, perhaps) example. So he likes the Monkees but doesn't like Lou I think I'm getting misinterpreted a bit here. 1) I dig Peter Tork's writing abilities. I know he's not on the level of Roger Waters, Ray Davies or Mr. Hitchcock, but when I say "Peter Tork", I dont' say it as a sort of insult. 2) I rank Lou Reed on the lyrical level of Peter Tork, not the other way around. Maybe I've just missed all the good songs he's written. I'm willing to accept that, lyrically, White Light/White heat is probably not one of his better works. If Donovan can write tripe like "Ballad of a Crystal Man" and good songs like "Catch the Wind", I figure that Lou can probably write "Sister Ray" and whatever his good songs are. Shrug. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 19:15:28 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Ouch (and you think *I'm* harsh...) > From: bsmith99@erols.com (Bill Smith) > Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative > Subject: Re: Who Are You? The A.M.A. Survey Part Deux > Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 21:21:07 GMT > bitchyspice@*.geocities.com (Lulu) wrote: > > Simple solution--go see better bands. This may seem facetious at > first, but there's truth behind it. This stems from my Peel Sessions > theory of music. You know a band is a really good band if they sound > great on their Peel Sessions recordings. Bands that get a decent > sound together on an album because they got multiple cracks at it in > the studio, or they had a really good producer/mixer are just sub-par > musicians. Consider Gang of Four--their Peel Sessions work was > incredible. They managed to preserve the angst and the quirky > disjointedness that characterized their studio material. Other bands > that pass this test: The Jam, Stiff Little Fingers, even the Damned > (whose Peel Sessions versions of Sick of Being Sick and Stretcher case > sounded *better* than the studio cuts), the Wedding Present, the > Undertones, the Chameleons, and certainly Wire. Bands that failed: > Souixie and the Banshees, Joy Division (it pains me to say, but it's > true), and the Cure. I have rarely been disappointed by a live show. The only instance that spring to mind are PiL (when 9 was released) who were awesome the previous times I had seen them, and Robyn Hitchcock, who was once great and has just steadily lapsed into mediocrity. Regards, Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 23:34:23 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: i remember eno >>>>> Any fans of the music of Brian Eno out there? >> >>here's a list of what eno's done that pretty much speaks for itself. >> >>1974 Lady June, Linguistic Leprosy Guitar, Keyboards, Vocals > >I've seen mention of this album before -- has anyone heard it, or know what >sort of music it is? > >Oh, and that list didn't mention his "Enossification" on Genesis' The Lamb >Lies Down on Broadway. I bet some other credits were missing too. > >>1989 Neville Brothers,Yellow Moon Keyboards, Sound Effects, Vocals >>1993 INXS,Full Moon, Dirty Hearts Mixing > >Huh. Didn't know he had anything to do with those records. > >I think I have about 80 albums which include some sort of Eno >participation, and I don't even own any U2 stuff. So yeah, I think Eno is >nifty. He certainly ranks among Eb's Notorious 29. > >Eb There's also the Television demos Eno produced, although to my ears they don't sound very "Enoish". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 21:14:45 -0700 From: Ethyl Ketone Subject: Re: i remember eno >>"Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." "That would be telling..." - - c "Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." **************************************************************************** M.E.Ketone/C.Galbraith meketone@ix.netcom.com cgalbraith@psygnosis.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 00:31:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Viagra Falls Subject: Re: D# (totally off-topic) On Fri, 8 May 1998, Terrence M Marks wrote: > Anyone who considers unusual a reference to a pop-culture > phenomenon in "Seinfeld" is obviously off her nut... > > (I saw it, but forgot...what was the ref?) George was being mercilessly hounded by some guy with a laser light pen and Kramer said something to the effect of: "Break out the Pink Floyd, Jerry! We've got a light show!" Funny if you like that sort of thing. - -g- - ----------==========**********O**********==========--------- Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net "Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible." --Frank Zappa - ----------==========**********O**********==========--------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 17:25:54 +2909 From: dlang Subject: Re: winkiephonics Dolph helpfully wrote The BBC tape mentioned by dlang -- this sounds like the same recording put out by Griffin (CD 137) as _Dali's Car_. Here's the info from the All-Music Guide: It could well be the same , however, the Beeb tape set list is slightly different, missing "fat lady of Linbourg" , Third Uncle and "I'll come running" but has "Total " included , i also cannot hear any clarinets in there , but I'll listen again . What recording date is on the Cd, i'd estimate the Beeb tape to be 1974. dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 17:38:44 +2910 From: dlang Subject: Re: veteran cosmic rockers Eb reposted I like the Incredible String Band. I just don't think they're a worthwhile example to use as counterargument, in the "shiny/not shiny" discussion at hand. You still have not explained why they are not a worthwhile example, I'd like some specific reasons ,or were you just dismissing his argument out of hand and now you can't really work out what you meant ?. I'm very miffed that can't call you "baby", what can I call you then ? Ebby ?, its almost like baby , except it doesnt have an A . Or should I use some of those disgusting Australian vernacular expressions of endearment that you were so interested in during the Oz/Uk insult wars. I have a whole book of Barry Mckenzie insults, endearments I could post if you like and then you could chose the one you liked the most. dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 19:42:54 +2909 From: dlang Subject: Re: takin' the Eb bait Ebby commented: .Spirit, BARELY. Bowie's SIXTIES work really doesn't stand up, either. I stand corrected over Bowie, I'm thinking more of the early 70's stuff, Spirit had some great albums that still stand up well, both in terms of production and content- 12 dreams of Dr Sardonicus is a minor classic and Clear is still worthwhile in my opinion.The first Hot Tuna acoustic album is a great blues album of its kind and jorma kaukonen in still one of the great unsung bluesmen.Cream were one of the bands that launched heavy metal and alll its dirivatives, for good or ill. I'm surprised you don't recognise Pete Brown, check out the Battered Ornaments and Piblokto if you can, his lyrics for Cream and Jack Bruce are well known. Eb then riposted savagely >That was a very puzzling list you posted. Are those REALLY the best examples you can think of? I mean, you ignore the Rolling Stones and Dylan, and list THAT stuff? Are you really that hippiejam-focused? It was by no means definitive, just off the cuff, I did say the list was endless. As soon as I posted I saw the omissions of the Stones and Dylan, also the Byrds ,Small faces , Jeff Beck,Yardbirds,Jethro Tull( ist album ),Motown artists galore,Dr John ( night tripper album),Peter Green,Neil Young, Bonzos, Mayall, Otis Redding, BB King, Sonny Terry and Brownie Mcghee, Muddy Waters, myriads of jazz artists such as Keith Jarrett, coltrane and a slew of other 60's relics. it WAS a great time in music. Anyway, I hardly think Miles, Roland kirk, James Brown ,Joni Mitchell, Bert Jansch and Fairport are "Hippie jammers", i tried to put together a reasonable mix of artists that I and others may still find meaningful or able to stand up against the music of the 90's . Don't put me in no particular bag Ebman,I do like jamming and psychedelia but I also like a wide range of music such as most of the punk bands ,XTC, Cope, Elvis Costello, reggae, jazz, bluegrass, folk of all kinds , Reich, Cage,Iggy ,John cale , hip hop, rap, soul and classical music from all periods. I try to keep as open a mind over music as possible , bout the only mediums I don't listen to are Opera and the more maudlin C&W, but I still admit I can listen to a nice Mozart opera or even Hank Williams on occasions. dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 11:13:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Ouch (and you think *I'm* harsh...) shortly after getting his USENET fix, Eb passed this on: > I have rarely been disappointed by a live show. The only instance > that spring to mind are PiL (when 9 was released) who were awesome the > previous times I had seen them, and Robyn Hitchcock, who was once > great and has just steadily lapsed into mediocrity. To be fair, the guy probably sat thru a *whole* mediocre show before deciding robyn now sucks. And it serves RH right for not giving the guy his $10 worth... =b I'm getting the GAMH show soon on DAT! all grovels will be considered! hee hee (Who wants to admin the tape tree?) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 15:13:43 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: fela and syd (what a concept!) On Fri, 8 May 1998 07:52:25 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > >> > oh, the one with "do you have the Jezibel Spirit within you!" >> > strange record....Fela Kuti riffs and radio exorcisms at the >> >same time...interesting mix, though! >> > >I love African music, but the couple of Fela recordings I own remind >me of that "jamming band" thread. Fela hasn't quite clicked with me. >Knowing I prefer more traditional sounding African music to '70's Makossa >style stuff, is there any Fela music that could win me over? > Well, maybe the early recordings "fela ransome kuti vol. 1 and 2"...this was back when he was doing shorter James Brown style songs, than his later 3 hours on ONE song like he did in concert! Or, there was a compilation that Shanachie put out a few years back as a "best of fela" that might change your mind. more into the african brothers dance band, I take it? how about les tetes brules? I suppose Diblo Dianga (sp) is a bit too produced for your tastes. >Funny, but King Sunny's "jamming" suits me well enough. > >> >> "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts"... Eno and Byrne. >> Hmmm - Byrne again. Now the connection to Demme and on down the line to >> Robyn... >> >> Just curious, anyone else been listening to old "Floyd lately?????\ I just pulled out "piper" myself...coincidence? I THINK NOT. > >Does Syd count? I've spent the last few days discovering The Madcap >Laughs. Today I told Bayard that Abbey Road side 2 and Madcap can both >give me goosebumps. What I didn't say was that one's like goosebumps >from a sunrise seen from a volcanic crater and the other's like >goosebumps from witnessing a circus train wreck. > Good analogy...except i would continue that the solo albums sound like "a performance of the iinjured clowns from the train wreck!" Seriously, syd solo is REALLY sad listening in parts (as most of you know, i am sure.) ....But I bet Syd solo sells better than Roger Waters solo records (which is why he is rejoining his former band mates, even though by all accounts they haven't even been friends since 1974!!!) -luther ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 98 14:46:00 bst From: "J.M. Brown H9602040" Subject: RE: Suede my girlfriend prefers suede to me. but i have to admit i was quite impressed with the album with 'trash', 'beautiful ones' and 'lazy' on it. saw them play on that tour too and it was quite exciting! but we missed half the bloody set as we had to get the bus home!! his voice is too bowie for me though. Julian. ---------- From: owner-fegmaniax To: fegmaniax Subject: Suede Date: 08 May 1998 01:54 While we are on the subject of "Does anyone like...?", I'll have to ask if there are any other Suede fans on the list?!?! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 98 14:27:00 bst From: "J.M. Brown H9602040" Subject: Re: i remember eno is the re-issue of 'Piper at the gates of dawn' much better than the 70's stereo version??? Julian. ---------- From: owner-fegmaniax To: Acid Birds Subject: Re: i remember eno Date: 07 May 1998 23:44 > >Just curious, anyone else been listening to old "Floyd lately????? > "Piper at the Gates of Dawn" has been in my CD drive >for the past week. I hadn't listened to it for a year. > Is something catching? There must be an epidemic because _Piper_ has found its way to my CD player quite often in the past week. Maybe it is the talk of Robyn playing "Astronomy Domine", which I still want to hear. --dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 12:15:32 -0400 From: woj spice Subject: robyn at the bottom line! fegs, was seeing kristen hersh last night and ran into occasional feg david olstein who immediately asked me, "are you going to the bottom line?" i said, "huh?" he replied, "he's playing there june 12th." grabbed a copy of the village voice on the way home and, sure enough, robyn is listed for june 12th (a friday) at the bottom line in new york city. i don't know for sure, but i would hazard a guess that this could be related to a screening of "storefront hitchcock". woj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 11:50:03 +0800 From: Jon Fetter Subject: Re: i remember eno 1989 Zvuki Mu,Zvuki Mu Producer Whoo! Yeah! Zvuki rocks! Jon - ------------------------------------------------------------------- "They are grubby little creatures of a sea floor 530 million years old, but we greet them with awe because they are the Old Ones, and they are trying to tell us something." --Stephen Jay Gould ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 11:47:45 -0700 From: "Viagra Falls" Subject: R.I.P. fegs, Another musical death: My brother just called to tell me that country singer Eddie Rabbitt ("Driving My Life Away", "I Love A Rainy Night", "Suspicions") lost his battle with cancer. He was in his mid 50s, I believe. - -g- - ----------==========**********O**********==========--------- Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net "Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible." --Frank Zappa - ----------==========**********O**********==========--------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 12:52:37 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: veteran cosmic rockers DLang rolled another one for the road: >You still have not explained why [Incredible String Band] are not a >worthwhile example, I'd >like some specific reasons, or were you just dismissing his argument out >of hand and now you can't really work out what you meant ?. Well, it's still a band strongly based in polished musicianship and delicate melody. AND outdated hippie vibes. Overall, I don't see ISB as too much of a detour from the other psychedelic archivalism which Terrence regularly praises. (Admittedly, the only ISB albums which really turn me on are The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter and 5000...Layers of the Onion.) >I'm very miffed that can't call you "baby", what can I call you then ? "Vinnie" is OK with me. >Or should I >use some of those disgusting Australian vernacular expressions of >endearment that you were so interested in during the Oz/Uk insult wars. Yes, please. Nitzer Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 15:55:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Assassin Subject: Robyn at the bottom line Marc: Hope you had a good time. Now that I was able to speak to Amy for longer than just a brief passing couple of minutes, I would like to know if my chances have increased at all. I'm kookoo for Cocoa Puffs. I think she's very sexy and like her a lot. She never did email me from the last time, but maybe now I'm growing on her a little??? Could you find out. I'd really like to call her if she would allow you to give me her phone number. Gary ------------------------------------ If you have a condom and sunscreen SPF 15 or greater, than it's safe to look at http://www.panix.com/~gsa/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 12:37:10 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Ben Arion one last thought on Eno 'emotional resonance', in a quick post (I'll catch up with therest on Monday). Have a listen to the James song "Sometimes (Lester Piggott)". Now try to imagine it without Eno's additionqal backing on the last chorus. That epitomises up his emotional resonance for me. He does a great, odd little version of Wimoweh, too. James ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #184 *******************************