From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #174 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, May 2 1998 Volume 07 : Number 174 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: GAMH 4/29/98 setlist [Eric Loehr ] Re: delete at will [Aaron Mandel ] SF show on DAT? [Rob Gronotte ] Re: Music recommendation [Tom Clark ] Re: i wish i were a hippie [Gregory Stuart Shell ] Re: Gorey [Scary Mary ] BenEb & Homer [griffith ] Comix [JH3 ] Re: Gorey [Christopher Gross ] Re: Lou Reed PBS special [Rich Plumb ] Re: taking the Eb bait? [Eb ] SF Chronicle's Storefront review ["chris franz" ] Time is drying your hair [Russ Reynolds ] Re: taking the Eb bait? [sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain)] Re: Time is drying your hair [Tom Clark ] Re: SF Chronicle's Storefront review [Tom Clark ] Re: the Cale fan speaks [Eb ] tree the show! [dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich)] Re: avian tidbits ["J.M. Brown H9602040" ] Re: avian tidbits [Tom Clark ] Pink Floyd in the Twilight Zone (was: avian tidbits) [nicastr@idt.net (Be] Re: Pink Floyd in the Twilight Zone (was: avian tidbits) [Tom Clark ] Re: Nick Drake [nicastr@idt.net (Ben)] Gorey [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Storefront Hitchcock [Viccicraig ] Re: SF Chronicle's Storefront review [KarmaFuzzz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 12:27:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: GAMH 4/29/98 setlist On Fri, 1 May 1998, Terry Linnig wrote: > > I'm seeking out the kindness of fegs. Can someone tape this for me. > > Looking to trade. > > Terry > I'll second that -- have lots to trade. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 12:27:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: delete at will On Fri, 1 May 1998, Danielle wrote: > Oh Ben, this unnecessary earnestness is most unbecoming. When Eb calls > one of my favourite bands 'noisy, smirking trash' (the Headless > Chickens, if anyone's curious), I laugh. are they smirking? i obviously haven't listened carefully enough; i was impressed by how serious they sound while muttering "jesus christ equals orgasm" and other bits of Chicken nonsense. speaking of noisy NZ 'trash', did anyone else think the last Bailter Space record not only sounded a bit like Rage Against The Machine, but illuminated a way in which they had ALWAYS sounded like Rage Against The Machine? i don't like Bailter Space any less or RATM any more, but the connection is there. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 12:56:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Gronotte Subject: SF show on DAT? Well, I know there are going to be lots of grovels for this show, but I know there are a lot of DAT tapers in the Bay area, and hopefully someone got a good recording of the show. Lots to trade, including DAT masters of Robyn from last year, and tons of other stuff! Rob Why don't you come up and surf me sometime? --> http://www.patriot.net/users/rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 98 09:50:04 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Music recommendation On 4/30/98 6:31 PM, Mark Gloster wrote: >Please page down at the following location to read the last review. I >didn't write it. I didn't pay to have it written. I wouldn't change a word. >He used the RH word. This is a good week to be me. I think I'll do it some >more. > >http://www.gdtimes.com/pages/cover.htm > >-markg Right on Mark! And I thought _I_ was having a good week! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 12:15:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Gregory Stuart Shell Subject: Re: i wish i were a hippie On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, lj lindhurst wrote: > >why is everyone disavowing drug use and hippiedom? i'd rather hear some > >really cool drug experiences. i've been shopping for my perfect drug for > >so what say you? i hear small gallinaceous birds usually have a good > >trove stashed away... You need a job like my uncle from Mississippi. he works for the state highway patrol or something as a D.R.A DRUG RECOGNITION AGENT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 14:04:17 -0400 From: Scary Mary Subject: Re: Gorey Mark_Gloster@3com.com wrote: > > There is a book by Ogred Weary (anagram of Edward Gorey, so people wouldn't > get freaked out and stop selling his other works) called _The Curious Sofa_ > that I highly recommend for those of you who enjoy mixing humor and > hedonistic naughtiness (hey, that's most of my favorite things!) > > Also, a friend gave me an illustrated book by Tim Burton which was > enjoyable, but waned a bit next to Edward Gorey's stuff. > I have a bunch of Edward Gorey books (including "The Curious Sofa") and "The Melancholy Death of Oyster Boy & Other Stories" by Tim Burton. If anyone is interested, I'll bring them along to Quail's shindig. Let me know. Mary ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:46:33 -0700 (PDT) From: griffith Subject: BenEb & Homer The BenEb discussion has been very entertaining.... Re: Homer It looks like they have released an album or single on Blue Rose records under the name "Tim Keegan & The Homer Lounge". The single or album is called disconnected and the ID is BR10203. That is all I know about it. griffith np - Neil Young (gasp) - Dead Man (Music from the Jim Jarmusch film) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Griffith Davies hbrtv219@csun.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:00:21 -0500 (CDT) From: JH3 Subject: Comix El Fegs: As long as we're on the subject of cartoonists, is anyone else on this list a big fan of Glen Baxter? I may have mentioned him before, when a similar thread came up on the list a year or two ago. If you look at the cover of his book "Jodhpurs in the Quantocks" you might notice at least a marginal similarity to the cover of "Globe of Frogs" - the only major difference (IMO) is that it's got floating trousers, not fish. In addition to the (often hilarious) cartoons, there are some written stories in there that might easily have been written by Robyn himself, though there aren't many ghoul references. And as if that wasn't enough, the all-too-familiar Caslon Antique typeface is used on the covers of nearly all of his books... they're often very hard to find though. If anyone has a copy of "The Falls Tracer" or "Cranireons Ov Botya," *please* e-mail me, OK? John H. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 15:41:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Gorey On Fri, 1 May 1998, Scary Mary wrote: > I have a bunch of Edward Gorey books (including "The Curious Sofa") and > "The Melancholy Death of Oyster Boy & Other Stories" by Tim Burton. If > anyone is interested, I'll bring them along to Quail's shindig. > > Let me know. Of course we're interested. Bring 'em along! - --Chris (not the one who was in San Francisco, alas) ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 16:06:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Rich Plumb Subject: Re: Lou Reed PBS special I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but can somebody explain what's so special about Lou Reed's career since about 1975. I used to be a huge fan and then one day about 10 years ago a friend of mine asked me to make a compilation tape of his stuff. The velvets tape was easy and I still love them as well as Lou's solo stuff through berlin, but I got about halfway through the solo tape when I realized I hated him. That wretched voice, those trite pseudo-artistic/poetic lyrics. I can't stand him, can't stand that he screwed up the Velvets reunion with his horrible singing. Whenever he is quoted somewhere he comes off as a total asshole (although he did write a pretty nice homage to Sterling Morrison in the New York Times Magazine). He is the one example of an artist who should have died young so we didn't have to hear his banal slide into middle age. pardon me, rich ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 13:29:12 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: taking the Eb bait? Rich pardoned: >I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but can somebody explain >what's so special about Lou Reed's career since about 1975. Street Hassle, The Blue Mask, New York, Songs for Drella and Magic & Loss were all among the very best albums of their respective years, if you ask me. >I got about halfway >through the solo tape when I realized I hated him. That >wretched voice, those trite pseudo-artistic/poetic lyrics. I like his voice. It's unconventional, but evocative. And I have nothing but admiration for his lyrics -- when Reed fails me, it's because of his music. >I can't stand him, can't stand that he screwed up the Velvets >reunion with his horrible singing. This sounds like trolling. >Whenever he is quoted >somewhere he comes off as a total asshole. Hm. >He is the one example of an artist who should have died young >so we didn't have to hear his banal slide into middle age. Generally speaking, his recent work is more respected than his work of 10-15 years ago. Eb np: Bulworth soundtrack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 13:33:48 PDT From: "chris franz" Subject: SF Chronicle's Storefront review Get a load of this. From Thursday's SF Chronicle. - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- COOLLY `HITCHCOCK' Robyn Hitchcock fans pride themselves on being cool. That may be why nobody mobbed the British songwriter and performance artist while he waited in the Castro lobby for the start of ``Storefront Hitchcock,'' a concert movie about him. The only autograph Hitchcock was asked to sign was for a film festival poster, to which he added his name next to Nicolas Cage's and other celebs attending this year. Dan and Heidi Poppe are typical Hitchcock devotees. ``He's transcendentally wacky,'' Heidi said of her idol's appeal. The Poppes and four of their like- minded friends were the first in line for Tuesday night's screening. But that meant only that they arrived an hour early - -- Hitchcock fans are too cool to stand in line for hours. They've all seen Hitchcock, who is reminiscent of John Lennon in his dreamy psychedelic mode, perform many times. ``Storefront Hitchcock,'' made by the distinguished feature film director Jonathan Demme (``The Silence of the Lambs,'' ``Philadelphia'') is little more than a staged concert performed in some kind of shop to an invisible but vocal audience. Of course, they weren't too vocal, being Hitchcock fans. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 98 12:11:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Time is drying your hair first off, Tom--thanks for the review of the GAMH show. Kind of disapointed that we didn't make it, 'specially since it turns out hour hotel was only a short walk away, but we were naked and wanted to stay that way. As for the movie...enjoyed seeing everyone, and meeting eddie, chris. chris and the rest*...After the screening I remarked to somebody that the "line of the film" as quoted in a review from SXSW appeared to be missing. I now remember that the line was "Time is drying your hair", after some sort of comment about the Maxell man in the chair poster. Didn't I read that in a review of the film, or am I just nuts?? is it possible they've already made some changes from the original print? I suppose it's very possible...but it seems a shame they indeed cut out the most memorable line (according to one reviewer anyway) of the film. - -russ *(the professor and mary anne) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 16:08:03 -0500 From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: taking the Eb bait? >Rich pardoned: >>I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but can somebody explain >>what's so special about Lou Reed's career since about 1975. > >Street Hassle, The Blue Mask, New York, Songs for Drella and Magic & Loss >were all among the very best albums of their respective years, if you ask >me. Well, Rich -did- mention liking Blue Mask, IIRC. I think he was speaking very generally and very generally I would tend to agree with him, actually. There are bits of "Street Hassle" I quite like and I like "Drella" a lot too. But in general.....aargh. Really even "Blue Mask" would fail for me if it weren't for the divine Quine. >I like his voice. It's unconventional, but evocative. And I have nothing >but admiration for his lyrics -- when Reed fails me, it's because of his >music. I like his voice fine. No problem there. But there -are- times when he tries too hard to be a poet and sounds um, real dumb. I agree he's great when he's just being Lou, but when he's being Lou the poet it's kind of silly. Does anyone else have to suppress a giggle when they hear the phrase "great and regal name/Delmore". No knock on Delmore Schwartz, it just sounds funny. >>Whenever he is quoted >>somewhere he comes off as a total asshole. > >Hm. Oh come on, this isn't exactly a controversial opinion. He often DOES, you know :). Incidentally, it's not hard to notice that as much as the interviewees and storytellers in "Please Kill Me" disagree on various events and their takes thereon, Lou's asshole qualities seem to be the one area of consensus :). >Generally speaking, his recent work is more respected than his work of >10-15 years ago. Yeah, that's probably true. I'd take "New York" over "New Sensations" any day. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 98 14:13:19 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Time is drying your hair On 5/1/98 1:11 PM, Russ Reynolds wrote: >first off, Tom--thanks for the review of the GAMH show. Kind of disapointed >that we didn't make it, 'specially since it turns out hour hotel was only a >short walk away, but we were naked and wanted to stay that way. You probably would have gotten in for free! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 98 14:18:08 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: SF Chronicle's Storefront review On 5/1/98 1:33 PM, chris franz wrote: >From Thursday's SF Chronicle: >... >That may be why nobody mobbed the British >songwriter and performance artist performance artist? I do like the idea that we are all so very cool. Of course, we've known that for years - we're just too cool to mention it... - -tc p.s. thanks for posting that, chris. i was just about to search the Chron's site. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 15:19:54 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: the Cale fan speaks Susan wrote: >I think he was speaking very generally and very generally I would tend to >agree with him, actually. There are bits of "Street Hassle" I quite like and >I like "Drella" a lot too. But in general.....aargh. Really even "Blue Mask" >would fail for me if it weren't for the divine Quine. Well, your hostility toward Lou Reed is well-established 'round these parts. At least, Lou can keep most of his albums in print. ;) >Yeah, that's probably true. I'd take "New York" over "New Sensations" any day. I sold back "New Sensations." "Rock 'n' Roll Heart" and "Sally Can't Dance" too. I have 14 other Lou albums, though -- and that's not counting "Drella" or Velvets stuff. Eb, who digs Lou but still thinks "Rock & Roll Animal" is hopelessly overrated np: Quasi/Featuring "Birds" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 23:02:50 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: tree the show! On Fri, 1 May 1998 12:27:55 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Date: Fri, 01 May 98 09:03:35 -0600 >From: "Terry Linnig" >Subject: Re: GAMH 4/29/98 setlist > > I'm seeking out the kindness of fegs. Can someone tape this for me. > > Looking to trade. > I smell a tape-tree coming up on the list soon.... OK, who's got the DAT of the show? 'Alright, let's shoot this fu#ker!' -luther ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 May 98 11:42:00 bst From: "J.M. Brown H9602040" Subject: Re: avian tidbits yeah but anyone with any sense knows that whatever state syd got into, leaving pink floyd was a good thing to do as all the others are boring toss-pots. Julian ---------- From: owner-fegmaniax To: Bayard Cc: The Keeper of Souls Subject: Re: avian tidbits Date: Thursday, April 30, 1998 1:42PM > (and no offece meant but i thought Syd broke up b/c of too many acid > hits... am i misunderstanding you?) He did. But Pink Floyd let him go because he was unstable and unreliable (and because he kept stealing Roger's cigarettes). I wouldn't call it improvisation or jamming. It's jamming when the band gets together and decides "Ok, this middle bit is in the key of A. We'll play with it until the audience gets board". It isn't jamming when the guitarist decides to play the middle bit in F# and finds it amusing that the other band members didn't quite catch on. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 98 16:33:31 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: avian tidbits On 5/1/98 3:42 AM, J.M. Brown H9602040 wrote: >yeah but anyone with any sense knows that whatever state syd got into, >leaving pink floyd was a good thing to do as all the others are boring >toss-pots. It was good for the Floyd also. If Syd had stayed, there wouldn't have been any inspiration for Dark Side or Wish You Were Here. - -tc p.s. I can't believe how much I love Nick Drake's music. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 21:57:09 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Pink Floyd in the Twilight Zone (was: avian tidbits) >On 5/1/98 3:42 AM, J.M. Brown H9602040 wrote: > >>yeah but anyone with any sense knows that whatever state syd got into, >>leaving pink floyd was a good thing to do as all the others are boring >>toss-pots. > >It was good for the Floyd also. If Syd had stayed, there wouldn't have >been any inspiration for Dark Side or Wish You Were Here. Imagine, if you will, an alternate dimension where Syd never left the Floyd. The year is 1998, and David Gilmour is still playing in cover bands. Where are the Floyd and what are they doing? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 98 19:22:03 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Pink Floyd in the Twilight Zone (was: avian tidbits) On 5/1/98 7:57 PM, Ben wrote: >Imagine, if you will, an alternate dimension where Syd never left the >Floyd. The year is 1998, and David Gilmour is still playing in cover bands. >Where are the Floyd and what are they doing? In the an[n]als of Rock n' Roll, they're somewhere between The Soft Machine and Spinal Tap. i.e., a distant, fond memory or just an old joke opening up for a puppet show. weekend time... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 03:38:03 +0100 (BST) From: Boodle Boodle Boodle Subject: Nick Drake > > sorry i just had to comment that nick drake's name has popped up. its wierd, > but on three of the lists i am a member of (xtc don't seem to mention him) - > that is beth orton, belle and sebastian and this - nick drake always pops his > beautiful head up. personally i could exist without any music apart from nick > drake - especially pink moon and bryter layter. > > i've read from teh nick drake site that robyn has written a tribute to nick > and that it is rather wonderful. i do hope he records it soon. ever since i > fell into the kind of hippyish folkish eccentric trubadour type musical > gubbins of robyn, syd, paul roland (is there anything about him on the web? i > know robyn was linked to him wasn't he? it was one of the reasons i tracked > his stuff down. and talking of roland are there any ways of finding teh nick > nicely tracks? cos nicely is on soem of roland's stuff i believe, and it has > been highly recommended to me....) nick has just been the pivotal figure in my > music taste. whatever musical tastes i may be going through i somehow always > come back to nick. > > chris > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 23:03:44 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: Nick Drake >> >> sorry i just had to comment that nick drake's name has popped up. its wierd, >> but on three of the lists i am a member of (xtc don't seem to mention him) - >> that is beth orton, belle and sebastian and this - nick drake always >>pops his >> beautiful head up. personally i could exist without any music apart from >>nick >> drake - especially pink moon and bryter layter. Anyone who hasn't checked out Nick Drake owes it to themself to pick up one of his albums. It's too bad he left us with only 4 CD's worth of songs, but his music (especially the "Pink Moon" album) is virtually unparalelled in it's emotional rawness. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 17:01:05 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Gorey Both "The Gashleycrumb Tinies" and "The Curious Sofa" are in "Amphigorey" a wonderful collection of 15 Edward Gorey short books. Some of them are just plain weird, others hilariously so. My favourite is the tale of a successful author's life - "The Unstrung Harp". James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 02:18:00 EDT From: Viccicraig Subject: Storefront Hitchcock I was wondering if anyone knew the unformation about screenings of this. I live in Orange County which is southern California.....so showings in that general area would be very helpful if anyone knows. Thank you =D ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 08:32:17 EDT From: KarmaFuzzz Subject: Re: SF Chronicle's Storefront review chris_franz@hotmail.com posted that some asshole at the SF Chronicle writes: > Robyn Hitchcock fans pride themselves on being cool. That may be why nobody > mobbed the British songwriter and performance artist while he waited in the Castro > lobby for the start of ``Storefront Hitchcock,'' a concert movie about him. The only > autograph Hitchcock was asked to sign was for a film festival poster, to which he > added his name next to Nicolas Cage's and other celebs attending this year. Gee, that couldn't just be because we were being respectful of his personal space of anything. nah, a failure for act like pathological like morrissey fans must be due to some pretence. as for "performance artist," well he does say more than "howdy" and the next song title between songs, so i guess that could qualify, if you're desparate. > Dan and Heidi Poppe are typical Hitchcock devotees. ``He's transcendentally > wacky,'' Heidi said of her idol's appeal. > The Poppes and four of their like- minded friends were the first in line for Tuesday > night's screening. But that meant only that they arrived an hour early -- Hitchcock > fans are too cool to stand in line for hours. couldn't just be having other things to do. like jobs. or having dinner. or getting lost on your way to the theatre. :( or the realization that there were probably going to plenty of good seats available in the theatre since it's older, and therefore was designed for quality film-viewing rather than packing people in. who are we kidding anyways, it is the fucking chronicle. therefore everything must have some sort of pretense. if it'd been 100 degrees all day and people had shown up in shorts, the old chron'd try to make some pretentious rationalization. has the chronicle hired anyone to cover pop music? they haven't had one in decades ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #174 *******************************