From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #166 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, April 28 1998 Volume 07 : Number 166 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: brain teaser [Russ Reynolds ] [none] ["JH3" ] re: Renaissance [M R Godwin ] Re: i wish i were a hippie [lj lindhurst ] When I Was Dead [Mike Runion ] Re: i wish i were a hippie [Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #165 [Ed.Doxtator@ssa.co.uk] You'll probably want to delete this (ie, more politics) [Christopher Gros] Ani and Phranc [Natalie Jacobs ] They're popping up all over! [Christopher Gross ] Re: Comic Strips [Aaron Mandel ] Wednesday Night ["Cartman's Father" ] Re: [Eb ] Re: Comic Strips [Russ Reynolds ] Re: Comic Strips [lj lindhurst ] Eb's Growing Sphere of Influence [MARKEEFE ] Re: [lj lindhurst ] Re: Comic Strips [sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain)] Re: Comic Strips [Tom Clark ] Re: Chord Counting + [Eb ] Re: Eb's Growing Sphere of Influence [Eb ] 100% Bitter Sarcasm ["JH3" ] Re: 100% Bitter Sarcasm [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 08:17:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: brain teaser Chris sez: >ObBrainteaser: didn't Falco have a 3? dunno, but that reminds me that the Violent Femmes did. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:31:49 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: [none] >Have you seen me attack anyone for not liking Neutral Milk Hotel? Why yes, actually. - -Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:17:00 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: re: Renaissance On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 MCINTYRE@pa.msu.edu wrote: > It's a tangled history... It certainly is. I have just been looking at the full story on: http://user.mc.net/~jtl/nlights/lib/renhist.htm and we are into Fleetwood Mac levels of personnel chopping and changing. According to this source, the original group had broken up before 'Illusion' was recorded, but got back together to help finish the album. The band that actually toured following the completion of the second album included four new members. As far as I can make out, the Annie Haslam lineup then consisted of yet another completely new set of musicians, but ex-members continued to contribute to writing etc. A number of offshoot bands were formed at different times, with boring names like Shoot, Armageddon, Nevada and Stairway. The band Illusion, which consisted of the four surviving members of Renassiance I, reformed as late as 1977, eight years after Renaissance first started up. There appear to be _twelve_ studio albums, two live albums, an odds and ends album, plus releases by various offshoot bands. Quite an oeuvre! - - Mike Godwin PS I was baffled by your reference to 'Kings & Queens'. This album (gateold sleeve and all) was simply called 'Renaissance' in the UK, but it's the same record. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:27:46 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: i wish i were a hippie >why is everyone disavowing drug use and hippiedom? i'd rather hear some >really cool drug experiences. i've been shopping for my perfect drug for >some time now, but all i've found that works for me is music. > > >so what say you? i hear small gallinaceous birds usually have a good >trove stashed away... Bleach. Clorox Bleach. l "do not use if plastic sleeve is missing" j ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:31:12 -0700 From: Mike Runion Subject: When I Was Dead Why is everyone bickering about the Dead? Isn't that one of Robyn's favorite topics? A non-critical semi-defense of the Dead from an admitted non-fan: To my mind and ear, the Dead is one of those bands that fits into a limited number of settings, but when you find the right setting (or outlook on life, or whatever) they meld in seamlessly. I am not a fan. I have not sat down with a stack of live tapes or albums and absorbed them. I don't particularly care for jamming, or improv, or whatever. But I do have a "hippy-dippy" surfer free-acid pal o' pals with a swank dive of an apartment out here on Cocoa Beach. He's got the goatee, his apartment reeks of incense, he's got the oriental rugs filled with beach sand and board wax. He's got the green Budda candles all over the bathroom (covering up the holes to the outside). And in his pad, in his abode, the Dead work wonders. It is one of the only places where I can truly lie back in one of those semi-circular wicker pillow chair-things and bliss out completely to what the Dead were doing. It's all in the atmosphere and mindset for me. I don't see the Dead as a band for comparing to others or delving into the muso-techniques. They were at times a startling mood-inducing, life-affirming sorta trip, and if you're so lucky, you can find a time and place where their odd musical forms begin to click and you go "Ah...yeah...I think I see it!" My pal Troy begged and begged to get me to go to a live show, and I always politely refused. I'm by no means sorry for this, but at times, while sitting around his grungy apartment with the shades drawn and the full-on summer sun blazing away outside and the sounds of the waves slinking in through the aforementioned bathroom holes and the Dead drifting out of the speakers, I ponder on whether or not I missed something. Most everything has merit. The task is just to find it, if you're so inclined. Slagging something flat out is just sorta pointless. Bayard wrote: > so what say you? i hear small gallinaceous birds usually have a good > trove stashed away... I've been batting that assumption around myself...more on this topic when I'm not emailing from work. - -- Mike Runion Cocoa, FL, USA /******************************************************************\ | VCM: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/cones.htm | | Fegmaps: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/fegmaps | | Spoken Word Tape: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/wordtape.htm | \******************************************************************/ "Wait a minute. Time for a Planetary Feg-In!" - Julian Cope, sorta ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:03:53 +0100 From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: i wish i were a hippie >>>>> "Bayard" == Bayard writes: Bayard> i'd rather hear some really cool drug experiences. Moss Elixir's not bad. The pips got stuck in my teeth, though. Bad experiences: Recommending 'Ellen' and 'Jumanji' as the most hilarious televisual experiences ever, until someone took me aside and said they were only mildly amusing when unstoned. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:53:49 -0700 (PDT) From: griffith Subject: P I have a compilation CD with a "P" song on it. The song is called "Michael Stipe." It is (obviously) about Mr. Stipe. The chorus is great..."Michael Stipe cried last night". It's really funny. griffith np - Kristen Hersh - Hips & Makers = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Griffith Davies hbrtv219@csun.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:55:05 +0100 From: Ed.Doxtator@ssa.co.uk Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #165 Gnat buzzed: >Anyway, no doubt woj and I will fight brutally about Tori and Ani "Gosh, >I'm punk-rock" DiFranco at the FegFest, so stay tuned for updates on on the >ultraviolence. Idagreed with you on that Ani DiFranco thing until her last album, "Little Plastic Castles". She still feels the need to hiccup when she sings, but the musical arrangements on the album do manage to drown it out. Or at least divert your attention. It beats listening to Phranc by a long chalk. - -Doc (who is still scarred by hearing Phranc's awful "Teenage Lesbian" tune) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:22:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: You'll probably want to delete this (ie, more politics) First, John Hedges brought up several other examples of genocide almost as bad as the Nazis' -- for example, the Turkish massacres of Armenians ca. 1915. His examples are all quite correct and well-taken. I'd just like to point out what makes the Nazi genocide unique is their intent to utterly annihilate a whole ethnic group. For example, I don't think the Turks were interested in hunting down and exterminating the Armenians outside the borders of the Ottoman Empire. On the other hand, the Nazis, at the height of their power, surveyed the known Jews wherever they hoped Nazi power would eventually reach -- including those in neutral countries like Ireland and Switzerland -- and planned to get to them all eventually. They also condemned anyone with "Jewish blood," without allowing for conversion and assimilation. That's taking genocide to an extreme no one else has matched. (The closest runner up, in spirit if not in total body count, may have been the old Rwandan government's massacre of Tutsis a couple of years ago.) Next, about the death squads in El Salvador. I accidentally deleted the message, but someone said that the US does bear responsibility for the death squads because they were armed and trained by the US. The distinction I was trying to make was between making it possible for the death squads to do something and actually telling them to do it; the former is not *as* bad as the latter. If I gave you a gun and you shot someone with it, I would be partially responsible, but not as much as if I had told you "I'll give you a hundred bucks to shoot my roommate" and you did it. (I'm assuming, for the sake of argument, that US involvement with the death squads was as strong as you said; I'm not sure, but then El Salvador was just an example anyway.) Of course, you may feel that this is a useless distinction. On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Danielle wrote: > > In one system, people are given the choice about whether or not > > they want to contribute to charities that might help out their fellow man > > and in the other, people's money is taken away and distributed (in one > > form or another) whether or not the individual wants his money taken for > > that purpose. > Man. Do you guys learn this speech by heart when you join > libertarians-r-us, or something? Hey! You don't have to be a libertarian to believe that stuff. Libertarians are just an extreme example of that philosophy -- they don't want *any* of their money taken away and distributed to others. Some of us are more moderate -- we don't hate all social spending, we've just grown cynical about its efficacy. (Of course I'm a newbie -- Capuchin might really be a Libertarian for all I know.) > Chris wrote: > > At least under capitalism the right to private > > property, which I think fulfills a natural human need, is respected; and > > the more successful capitalist economies have produced better standards of > > living than in any socialist country. > Thank you for playing. Please do see New Zealand's standard of living in > the late 60s (under the dreaded democratic socialist government, natch). > A tad higher than y'all's, I believe. Maybe it was, but New Zealand wasn't "socialist" in the sense I meant. What we have here is a semantic problem. I was thinking of "socialist" countries as ones with a planned, non-market economy and no private property in the means of production. This was the ideal of most pre-war socialists, but in practice only the Communist countries reached this state. I think of New Zealand, Sweden, etc. as having been social-democratic, not socialist, countries. I guess I can't expect the rest of the world to adopt my terminology though.... > Interestingly, we now have one of > the most 'pure' free-market capitalist economies in the world. Standard > of living, you ask? Falling by the day. Was NZ's standard of living trending up or down just before it abandoned socialism? (This isn't a rhetorical question, I'm really curious.) > In any case, you have your wires > crossed. It's utopian communism (a rather impractical philosophy) which > argues that private property is unnecessary. Not socialism. Most socialists from the early nineteenth century to about the 1950s looked forward to the eventual end of private property (at least major private property -- land, factories, railroads, etc.). Being historically minded, I tend to think of that as socialism, not this newfangled modern stuff. (BTW, there was an interesting editorial in the Economist, 11 June 1994, arguing that socialists would be better able to attain their *goals* if they were less wedded to the old *means* of nationalized industry, a planned economy, and heavy social spending. Check it out!) > The USA is arguably the most important country in > the world, and the most powerful. Don't you think it can take a little > analysis, a little criticism, a little historical revision? Because if > it can't, its position must be more precarious than I thought... True. Be careful, though, that you don't mistake disagreement with your criticisms for disagreement with the idea of criticism. > Ken wrote: > > just remember that the winners write history to make themselves look good. I dislike this cliche even more than most cliches. If we took it literally, it would mean that we can't believe any history -- "we can't know the Nazis were evil because they lost, and history is written by the winners." - --Chris (communist at 14, anarchist at 16, syndicalist at 17, moderately patriotic cynic at 29) np: amateur jazz band on the sidewalk outside the library ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:29:59 -0500 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Ani and Phranc >Idagreed with you on that Ani DiFranco thing until her last album, "Little >Plastic Castles". She still feels the need to hiccup when she sings, but >the musical arrangements on the album do manage to drown it out. Or at >least divert your attention. Well... sort of. :) >It beats listening to Phranc by a long chalk. I was very surprised to discover that Phranc used to be in a punk band called Catholic Discipline that appeared in the brilliant "Decline of Western Civilization" (the first one). She appears at the beginning cussing out the audience. Who'da thunk it?? n. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:50:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: They're popping up all over! The university where I work has an annual event called Chalk-In Day. They pick a day during the last week of classes, block off the street in front of the library, hand out loads of nice fat kindergarten-style chalk, and let people draw whatever they want on the street and sidewalks. Foreign students tend to draw their countries' flags, fratheads make their fraternities' Greek letters, and the artistically inclined sometimes draw some stunning sunsets or Homer Simpsons. So, you all can guess what I drew, right? A thoth! A nice big black thoth in a white circle. If I stand up, I can see it from my office window, which should give me strength to make it through the day. Maybe some GWU fegs will come out of the closet to admire it. Oh, and Quail, you'll be glad to know that, right under the thoth, I drew Skinny Puppy's intertwined S and P.... - --Chris np: the jazz combo they bring out to serenade the chalkers ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 10:35:37 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: You'll probably want to delete this (ie, more politics) On 4/28/98 10:22 AM, Christopher Gross wrote: >First, John Hedges brought up several other examples of genocide almost as >bad as the Nazis' -- for example, the Turkish massacres of Armenians ca. >1915. His examples are all quite correct and well-taken. I'd just like >to point out what makes the Nazi genocide unique is their intent to >utterly annihilate a whole ethnic group. It's time to invoke Godwin's Law: Godwin's Law /prov./ [Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. For more info, see the New Hackers' Dictionary at: http://earthspace.net/jargon/jargon_22.html#SEC29 Hopefully this week's activities can bring some more Robyn-chatter back... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:54:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: You'll probably want to delete this (ie, more politics) On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Tom Clark wrote: > It's time to invoke Godwin's Law: > > Godwin's Law /prov./ [Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the > probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." Hey! Godwin's Law doesn't apply if Nazis are actually germane to the topic at hand! (Admittedly, the whole topic should probably be dropped.) - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:01:12 -0600 From: hal brandt Subject: Re: Comic Strips Terrence M Marks wrote: > As an aspiring comic-stripper, I'd like your-all opinions on comic strips, > that's all. Zippy and Doonesbury are consistently good. The rest are not funny or even worth the two seconds it takes to read them. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:05:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Comic Strips On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Terrence M Marks wrote: > As an aspiring comic-stripper, I'd like your-all opinions on comic strips, > that's all. if you mean strips and not books... most of them are terrible. i don't see the point. even Zippy, a long-time fave which clearly needs to be appreciated differently from most comic strips, has been lame lately. the only ones i really look forward to anymore are Doonesbury, Dilbert (when it's not sexist propaganda) and Rose Is Rose. the latter is a little cloying sometimes but i just love what the author does with point-of-view and linework. this morning i was particularly confused by Stitches, a strip that the boston globe recently added. is the joke that transgender people are stupid? or that they don't really exist? that they cry a lot? that they randomly make requests for surgery from any doctor who will see them? aaron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:14:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Cartman's Father" Subject: Wednesday Night Bay Area fegs, I have been extremely for over a week and have been checking email sporadically. I need to know what the definite plans for Wednesday night are. I'll probably be in SF around 7:00, although I could probably show up sooner if need be. I'll try to check my mail later today -- if anyone knows whassa happonin', let me know either by email or by phone (707.546.1734). In any case, I'll see you all at GAMH tomorrow night. Unfortunately, I can't make the movie tonight :( Tom: I'll meet you at the O'Farrell. 7:00 sharp! ;) - -g- - ----------==========**********O**********==========--------- Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net "Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible." --Frank Zappa - ----------==========**********O**********==========--------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:38:48 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: >>Have you seen me attack anyone for not liking Neutral Milk Hotel? > >Why yes, actually. Cite example, please. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 11:38:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: Comic Strips ======== Original Message ======== On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Terrence M Marks wrote: > As an aspiring comic-stripper, I'd like your-all opinions on comic strips, > that's all. if you mean strips and not books... most of them are terrible. i don't see the point. even Zippy, a long-time fave which clearly needs to be appreciated differently from most comic strips, has been lame lately. the only ones i really look forward to anymore are Doonesbury, Dilbert (when it's not sexist propaganda) and Rose Is Rose. the latter is a little cloying sometimes but i just love what the author does with point-of-view and linework. this morning i was particularly confused by Stitches, a strip that the boston globe recently added. is the joke that transgender people are stupid? or that they don't really exist? that they cry a lot? that they randomly make requests for surgery from any doctor who will see them? aaron ======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== does your paper cary the one about the loser pirates? "Overboard" I think it's called. That's the only one I look at every day. Seldom laugh-out-loud funny but always a good twist in the last frame that makes it worth a look. I never liked Dilbert until recently. I think the ideas he gets from his fans have made that strip much funnier. Doonsbury hasn't made me smile in about 20 years. Well, maybe once. Personally, though, I'd rather read a box score. Good one this morning involving SF and Pittsburgh. I *would* be interested in seeing a comic stripper perform some time. I wonder if the laughs would offset the arrousal? - -russ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:51:36 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: Comic Strips >> As an aspiring comic-stripper, I'd like your-all opinions on comic strips, >> that's all. Oh, that Garfield kills me! He always wants the lasagne!!!! lj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:46:56 EDT From: MARKEEFE Subject: Eb's Growing Sphere of Influence Well, Eb has now made his way onto those big traffic conditions warning signs (there must be a real name for these things? Some help from the Los Angelenos?). Driving into work today, the sign read: "ACCIDENT ON I-84 EB." Now, some might say that this is meant to indicate "eastbound," but we all know better. Rock critic, musical note, and now a direction of travel. Is there no end to "Ebness"? - ------MIchael K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:10:06 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: >>>Have you seen me attack anyone for not liking Neutral Milk Hotel? >> >>Why yes, actually. > >Cite example, please. > >Eb Oh boy-- is it me, or do y'all see a BIG FIGHT coming up here?! One time when I was a kid, we were eating corn-on-the-cob with dinner and my mom had those little plastic corn-cob shaped handles that go in the sides of the cobs. It was me, my two little sisters and my little brother. We started talking about those things, how funny they were, and how they didn't have a name. So we started calling them "Corn cobber knobbers," which cracked us up endlessly. We kept saying it over and over again, and we were all laughing so hard that our eyes were watering and we couldn't eat. My dad got PISSED, and made us all go to bed without getting to finish our corn! To this day we say it just to annoy him. Maybe you will learn something from that story. I don't know what. lj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:22:32 -0500 From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: Comic Strips >Terrence M Marks wrote: > >> As an aspiring comic-stripper, I'd like your-all opinions on comic strips, >> that's all. > >Zippy and Doonesbury are consistently good. The rest are not funny >or even worth the two seconds it takes to read them. I like "Red Red Meat", but admittedly I have a sick sense of humor at times, apparently a trait I share with that strip's creator. I also like Tom Tomorrow's work and "Jimmy Corrigan". As to mainstream newspaper comics- "Rhymes With Orange" I like and "Sylvia" is good most of the time (I particularly like the ones about "the woman who does everything more beautifully than you"). But the best comic ever is.... GREAT POP THINGS I can't believe no one has mentioned this. It is quite simply the most brilliant regularly running comic in the history of our planet. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 12:18:03 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Comic Strips On 4/28/98 11:01 AM, hal brandt wrote: >> As an aspiring comic-stripper, I'd like your-all opinions on comic strips, >> that's all. > >Zippy and Doonesbury are consistently good. The rest are not funny >or even worth the two seconds it takes to read them. "The Quigmans" rules. I also still love Peanuts. Oh yeah, and Blondie has an enormous rack. so shoot me, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:42:57 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Chord Counting + Ben boomed: >If you don't take in to account these "Chord Counting" qualities in music >then you are displaying an ignorance of a large part of the language of >music. Well, rec.music.progressive awaits you with open arms. I always take into account "Chord Counting" qualities. It doesn't mean that I have to value them for their own sake. Arguing that the Dead are great because they can jam from D minor to F# major is never going to make me do anything but roll my eyes. And weren't you the one who grumbled so bitterly about the Dead being pigeonholed as a "jamming" band? Hmmm. There ARE bands I hate more than the Dead, you know. I'd certainly rather listen to the Dead than Billy Idol, INXS, the Cult, Celine Dion, etc etc etc. I'm sure that if I dug deep enough, I could find something listenable by the Dead. But it's just not that important to me. I'm not going to wade through 20 hours of live tapes to find that one four-minute progression which engages me. And then Nat gnattered: >But the difference between them, as I said, is that Tori comes off as so >desperately attention-seeking and self-serving. "Oh thank you, you who are >the song." That streak of arrogance - "I'm special because I'm an artist" >- is what rubs me the wrong way. I'm not saying her weirdness is an act, >either - that stuff has to come from *somewhere* - but the fact that she >flaunts it all the time does seem like an effort to get attention, like a >precocious kid mouthing off at the dinner table. Preach on, Nat.... Eb, who was really excited about Tori Amos circa her first album...and then saw her live and discovered the patented Tori Smirk [standard grumbling diatribe about Tori's unbearable performance style deleted] np: Pere Ubu/Pennsylvania ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:55:33 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Eb's Growing Sphere of Influence > Well, Eb has now made his way onto those big traffic conditions warning >signs (there must be a real name for these things? Some help from the Los >Angelenos?). Driving into work today, the sign read: "ACCIDENT ON I-84 EB." >Now, some might say that this is meant to indicate "eastbound," but we all >know better. > Rock critic, musical note, and now a direction of travel. Is there no >end to "Ebness"? Well, if Nitzer Ebb decides to sue me, it could all be over in a heartbeat. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:06:25 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: 100% Bitter Sarcasm >>>Have you seen me attack anyone for not liking Neutral Milk Hotel? >>Why yes, actually. >Cite example, please. Oh gosh, sorry, my mistake! How could I ever have thought for even one moment that those highly literate, intelligent points you made about my obviously pathetic, whiny attempt at humor last week had anything whatsoever to do with the fact that I don't like North Malden - oops, sorry, typo - Neutral Milk Hotel, or that I e-mailed you something to that effect (privately - what a bizarre concept) three weeks prior on March 30, or that you don't apparently know how to tell the difference between a little tongue-in-cheek ridicule and "prissy," "petulant" sarcasm? Of course you must have sincerely thought that despite the fact that it wasn't worded as such, I was actually "complaining" about off-topic threads in general, even though people complain about off-topic threads all the time and you never say a word! Why, I must have been completely INSANE for thinking that! >Oh boy-- is it me, or do y'all see a BIG FIGHT coming up here?! This is the first and last you'll ever hear from me about it. No more responses. It's a complete waste of my time and everyone else's. JH3 PS: The sad thing is, I tend to agree with Eric about 90% of the time. But I'm probably never going to be able to admit it from now on... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:16:48 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: 100% Bitter Sarcasm >Oh gosh, sorry, my mistake! How could I ever have thought for even one >moment that those highly literate, intelligent points you made about my >obviously pathetic, whiny attempt at humor last week had anything whatsoever >to do with the fact that I don't like North Malden - oops, sorry, typo - >Neutral Milk Hotel, or that I e-mailed you something to that effect >(privately - what a bizarre concept) three weeks prior on March 30, or that >you don't apparently know how to tell the difference between a little >tongue-in-cheek ridicule and "prissy," "petulant" sarcasm? Absolutely ridiculous. That argument had NOTHING to do with whether you liked NMH or not -- only that you (apparently) were complaining about the abundance of NMH-related posts. A completely separate issue. Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #166 *******************************