From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #163 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, April 27 1998 Volume 07 : Number 163 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: unnecessary political rant [tanter ] re: Jennifer Jason Leigh [tanter ] Re:album titles [Andrew Crislip ] Re: unnecessary political rant ["JH3" ] Re: deeper thots on nmh 0%rh [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: political schmitical ["JH3" ] Royal Queen ALbert [griffith ] Re: obligitory monthly Dead wars (was: Peter Gabriel) [nicastr@idt.net (B] taking the (E)bait [hal brandt ] uhs [Eb ] Re: brain-teaser & REM [MARKEEFE ] for Bay Area fegs...movie/concert plans? [Russ Reynolds any] Re: unnecessary political rant [tanter ] Storefront plans for Tuesday ["chris franz" ] "that was purdy" - revisited [Gregory Stuart Shell ] off topic- gig listings [Michael Hooker ] Re: another degrees of RH quiz [KarmaFuzzz ] Re: peter gabriel [KarmaFuzzz ] Re: another degrees of RH quiz [tanter ] Re: Ebait (50% indignant Deadhead content) [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:10:19 -0400 From: tanter Subject: Re: unnecessary political rant At 05:40 PM 4/27/1998 -0400, you wrote: However that's the way things were then. The >whites were stronger. Tell me this isn't for real, please. The whites were STRONGER?? They weren't stronger, they were armed. Big difference. But it's OK that entire nations of Native Americans were wiped out. What good were they anyway? They were in the way of the white guys--we white people deserve to conquer this land! It is ours--God told us we could have it! He told us to conquer the heathen savages and replace them with the blackest men from Africa! White power is supreme! Long may we reign!** For f*ck's sake, you can't go around saying that what happened to the Indians is OK because "that's the way things were then." Entire tribes were completely wiped out, and for what reason? Because the white people who left their homeland and came here to persecute the non-Anglos were afraid of them. It's like saying slavery is OK because the African running through the bush to save his life got caught anyway. It's not OK, none of it is OK. Just because it's not our present-day history doesn't mean it's OK. Marcy ** this is said with much sarcasm. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:15:04 -0400 From: tanter Subject: re: Jennifer Jason Leigh Kubrick replaces Jennifer Jason Leigh in 'Eyes Wide Shut' Copyright © 1998 Nando.net Copyright © 1998 Agence France-Presse STOCKHOLM (April 27, 1998 09:49 a.m. EDT http://www.nando.net) - Stanley Kubrick has finally lost patience with Jennifer Jason Leigh, replacing her with a Swedish actress for final shooting of his "Eyes Wide Shut" thriller. According to Sweden's TT news agency, he has asked Marie Richardson to take Leigh's role because the American actress was busy working on another project in Canada. Earlier this month, the French weekly Le Film Francais said Kubrick had ordered Leigh to re-shoot all her scenes because he was so unhappy with her performance first time round. The film, a thriller of jealousy and sexual obsession starring husband and wife team Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, has already dragged on since November 1996. Cruise and Kidman star as two married New York psychiatrists who both have affairs with their clients, played by Leigh/Richardson and Sydney Pollack. Kubrick reportedly has been obsessively secretive about the film, obliging Cruise and Kidman to sign contracts promising not to reveal anything about it to the press.  ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:35:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Crislip Subject: Re:album titles Perhaps mentioned: Dinosaur Jr., Bug. There's a band in DC called the Dismemberment Plan that put out an album recently on Jawbox's label called "!". Andrew Crislip New Haven, CT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:39:06 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: unnecessary political rant I, too, hate to prolong this thread, but this is just to clarify something (in case anyone cares): >1) The UN - I think Jesse Helms is the one holding up things, but >the main reason is that the UN is mostly a welfare program of >useless bureaucrats doing nothing to which we are asked to pay a >disproportionate share. Putting aside the question of whether this is Rich's own opinion of the UN or that of the US Republican party (or both?), the *stated* reason for US withholding of UN dues is that the UN supports family planning clinics in other countries that either perform abortions, or provide counseling in which abortion is presented as a legitimate option. Then what the Republicans do is put language in essential appropriations bills stating that funds will only be appropriated for dues if such programs are discontinued. Jesse Helms is just one of the gang that's fond of this tactic; they're all responsible, and they've been doing it for years. Uh-oh, I just used the "A" word... twice... JH3 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:30:20 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: deeper thots on nmh 0%rh >>nice artwork. very indie. >Indie? I sure can't name many indie albums with artwork that rustic and >"historical-looking." In fact, I can't name one, at the moment. Maybe >something by 16 Horsepower? I dunno. I guess I meant that you'd never see it allowed by the boilerplate majors. It shows some quirky flair. I think that maybe Beck could get away with it, but not many others. I was not commenting that they stole it from the Alternative Tentacles release of_Claudine Longet- the Handgun Years_, or the Seeland Records issue of _Teddy Roosevelt's _San Juan Hill or Bust_, or the touching Infinity Chair reissue of Pol Pot and his Wacky, Zany, and Madcap Thrash Metal Band doing _Hey, Why Don't We Kill All the Intellectuals With our Sticks and Gardening Tools, Oh Yea And I Almost Forgot- Airplanes Over The Killing Fields Too_ (which also might be our long title quiz winner). >>I bet this band will do even better in the future if the leader doesn't kill >>himself. >Hm. You know, I really don't get that suicidal vibe from him at all. He >writes songs about sad desperate characters, but he's more of a storyteller >-- the songs don't usually feel like personal confessions. And he writes >about death a lot, certainly, but to me, it's more like in a >therapeutic/coping sort of way. I kind of go the other way on this. He clearly has some "issues" and I would put him on the dangerous edge of: 1) Retaining his emotional shtuff and developing his craft, and surviving the crap in the industry. 2) Having that epiphanous coping experience that heals him and causes the acidic visions to vanish, thereby rendering the music and lyrics to be swillbore. 3) His deamons, daemons, and Damiens to get the better of him and cause him to shoot milk out of his nose or something much worse. I actually think this guy is playing with dynamite. I could be wrong... >np: gassy fusion jizz When people ask me why I named my band what I did, I will add that one to my list of "because these band names that were already taken." Using bodily functions in product identification (and dates) is quite simply marketing genius. Hope it's good. ;-) Smiles, - -Markg Your killfile was apparently only set on stun. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:19:08 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: political schmitical From The Kenster: >though i can't be sure, i seem to remember stalin's perpetual elimination >of anyone he considered dangerous (or just didn't like) over the many years >he was in control add up to more than any of these other bastards. You're right, they do. Sorry not to include him, but it was only to keep to a stricter definition - he's considered more of a purely political murderer, rather than a genocidal one, because he didn't care what race or religion you were or how educated you were or anything like that. Sort of an "equal opportunity" killer, if you will. (Hopefully you won't, now that I think of it...) From Mark Gloster: >>np: gassy fusion jizz >...Using bodily functions in product identification >(and dates) is quite simply marketing genius. And the best new thread idea of the year! If only I could think of one... JH3 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:14:36 -0700 (PDT) From: griffith Subject: Royal Queen ALbert On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Bayard wrote >On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Aaron Mandel wrote: > >> On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, griffith wrote: > >>> np - "Royal Queen Albert & Beautiful Homer" - RH (got my copy over the >>> weekend - glad I did not have to pay for it). > >> if you're glad you didn't have to pay $20 or whatever, i can understand. >> but if you mean it's not worth a red cent, give it a few more listens. >> both bob dylan and robyn come out of the concert looking darn good. >it's a good show but if they wanted to release it they could have at least >recorded it well. and the cover-- black on brown? what were they >thinking? I totally agree with both of you. The show is great, the recording isn't. Perhaps that is why it was't officially released to the general public. I'm very happy that I have it, but I'd rather listen to the "Robyn, Bob, Albert" tape tree cassette. The CD is just a tease of what could have been a really good concert recording. I wish the CD had Robyn's intro about how he didn't write these songs... griffith = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Griffith Davies hbrtv219@csun.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:26:00 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: obligitory monthly Dead wars (was: Peter Gabriel) >By the way, I was just playing a new double-disc compilation of the Paul >Butterfield Blues Band. If any of you godforsaken Deadheads haven't heard >Butterfield's song "East-West" (13 minutes of raga-esque blues jamming), >you really oughta. Cuts anything I've heard by the Dead to ribbons. > >Eb That's one of the things that bugs me most about Dead critics (a profession that employs more people than any other American industry), when they compare the Dead's improv/jamming "whoever's 8-hour guitar solo on Whipping Post". If that's all your hearing in their music and that's all you can think of to compare to it, then you're missing the whole point of what people (some Deadheads, even) hear in them. Sort of like the constant comparisons between Robyn Hitchcock and Syd Barrett, it's becoming a nauseating practise that is devoid of any kind of original perspective on the music and displays a complete misinterpretation of the artist's work. Lame. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:34:12 -0600 From: hal brandt Subject: taking the (E)bait > If any of you godforsaken Deadheads haven't heard > Butterfield's song "East-West" (13 minutes of raga-esque blues jamming), > you really oughta. Cuts anything I've heard by the Dead to ribbons. > > Eb What have you heard by the Dead? You say you don't like live tapes...so, can you say you've really heard a lot of live GD? (That's where what's left of the real magic is, you know!) I'll assume you wouldn't offer an "informed" opinion based only on hearing/seeing "Touch Of Grey" on MTV or anything, so I ask again...what have you actually heard? "Casey Jones" and "Truckin'" on the radio over and over? I mean, the way radio reduces the bands entire output to a handful of studio versions played ad nauseum must be the culprit for your uncharacteristic, close-minded dismissal. I think you said something about the "brainfry, clippity-clop beat" once, and I'd just direct you to a tape of 2.11.69 (late) or 12.29.77 (among many others) to illustrate that the nodding-off nineties wasn't all that GD accomplished. "East-West" is a good recommendation, BTW. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:31:53 -0700 From: Eb Subject: uhs Mark mused: >>Indie? I sure can't name many indie albums with artwork that rustic and >>"historical-looking." In fact, I can't name one, at the moment. Maybe >>something by 16 Horsepower? I dunno. > >I guess I meant that you'd never see it allowed by the boilerplate >majors. It shows some quirky flair. I think that maybe Beck could >get away with it, but not many others. I was not commenting that >they stole it from the Alternative Tentacles release of_Claudine >Longet- the Handgun Years_, or the Seeland Records issue of _Teddy >Roosevelt's _San Juan Hill or Bust_, or the touching Infinity >Chair reissue of Pol Pot and his Wacky, Zany, and Madcap Thrash >Metal Band doing _Hey, Why Don't We Kill All the Intellectuals >With our Sticks and Gardening Tools, Oh Yea And I Almost Forgot- >Airplanes Over The Killing Fields Too_ (which also might be our >long title quiz winner). Uh, OK. Incidentally, someone else commented on "emo" albums having "labeled diagrams." I think you can safely trace this back to Cal Schenkel's brilliant artwork for Frank Zappa & the Mothers. And by the way, Claudine Longet's music peaked long before The Handgun Years. I'd recommend a compilation of the earlier material, which would focus more on her punky formulative period. >I kind of go the other way on this. He clearly has some "issues" >and I would put him on the dangerous edge of: > >1) Retaining his emotional shtuff and developing his craft, and >surviving the crap in the industry. > >2) Having that epiphanous coping experience that heals him and >causes the acidic visions to vanish, thereby rendering the music >and lyrics to be swillbore. > >3) His deamons, daemons, and Damiens to get the better of him >and cause him to shoot milk out of his nose or something much >worse. I actually think this guy is playing with dynamite. I >could be wrong... Uh, very well. I'm gonna go with #1. >>np: gassy fusion jizz >When people ask me why I named my band what I did, I will add >that one to my list of "because these band names that were >already taken." Using bodily functions in product identification >(and dates) is quite simply marketing genius. Hope it's good. Uh, that was my own description, not a band name. Actually, I was listening to Arcana, a recent Tony Williams/Bill Laswell collaboration. If you want to use Gassy Fusion Jizz as a band name, you'll have to take it up with my legal department. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:35:34 EDT From: MARKEEFE Subject: Re: brain-teaser & REM In a message dated 4/26/98 11:37:09 PM, you wrote: <<> then again, R.E.M. has a song called Eventually all of this came out in our game... Anything without a name is called "untitled" which I know is unfair, but that's how it worked. On a CD single for something off the Green album (I'm pretty sure), I saw that R.E.M. song listed (as a b-side/extra track) as "Eleventh Untitled Song", which is, now, what I always call it, despite the fact that it makes it sound like there were ten untitled songs before that one. - -----Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 98 16:39:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: for Bay Area fegs...movie/concert plans? The Movie: Me & the Mrs are planning on going. We'd really like to see it. Not buying tix in advance though, 'cause we can't count on ourselves all the time. Barring a sellout or us flaking, we'll be there. Anyone gonna sit through both movies? Save us a couple of good seats if you know me. (the paradox being: if you know me, why would you want to save me a seat?) The concert: Wednesday is our aniversary and we don't have plans to go to the show, but as we'll be staying at a hotel in SF (not telling where or Gloster would show up and crash on our floor thereby putting the damper on our romantic evening) we may end up changing our minds. After all, at $13 a ticket it's probably the best entertainment deal in town (next to the 25 cent peep shows) Upshot is, we may be at both events or we may be at neither, but we would like to try to meet up with yez, 'specially the ones we haven't met yet. Keep us posted on meeting spots. And here's hoping Hitchcock gets his ass kicked Tuesday night (Ken, not Robyn). - -russ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:35:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: unnecessary political rant Whoah! This is getting out of hand. It's time for me to get presumptuous. On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, tanter wrote: > For f*ck's sake, you can't go around saying that what happened to the > Indians is OK because "that's the way things were then." Marcy: If I may presume to interpret Rich's post, he wasn't saying that it was morally OK for Europeans to conquer the Americas. He was pointing out that such conquests are fairly normal human behavior and happened over and over again until quite recent times. His meaning seems to be, don't single out America for a crime that has been committed by many other countries. But he did not say it was "OK" in the sense that you seem to be taking it in. Rich: If I may presume to offer you some advice, you should be more careful how you word your statements to avoid offending people. All Fegs who argue politics: If I may presume to boss you around, KEEP IT CALM, okay? - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:45:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: >any On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Christopher Gross wrote: > > > Front 242's _Off_ (unless you consider its title to be _05:22:09:12 Off_) > > F U I K Off? You're a letter off -- it's EVIL Off. They had another album that came out at about the same time (1993) called _06:21:03:11 Up Evil_, or _FUCK Up Evil_. But, mercifully, a lot of people just refer to them as _Off_ and _Up Evil_. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:00:04 EDT From: MARKEEFE Subject: More of My Robyn v. Tori Ramblings In a message dated 4/26/98 8:30:54 PM, James wrote: <<> But I guess that the emormity of her fan-base suggests that she's doing >an all right job LOL! You know, of course, that 'enormity' means 'horror'... As for the divine Ms A, she comes across to me not so much as hippy dippy as as someone who views the world from a slightly different persp...er...viewpoint. As for her lyrics being oblique... no more so thatRobym's (or those of another favourite songwriter of mine, one Ms J.Mitchell)>> Well, just goes to prove that I should check my dictionary more carefully and more often. . . although, if I had known the true meaning of enormity, I probably would've highlighted it ;-) I looked up oblique, which gave as a definition "indirect or evasive." Now, I would see Robyn as being more "indirect" (I guess), in that he doesn't exactly present his lyrical ideas in a linear fashion (to say the least); on the other hand, I see Tori as being more "evasive," in that she seems to be hiding something behind her lyrics that she kinda wants to talk about, but mostly doesn't want to talk about. But I don't really see Robyn as trying to hide things. He just chooses to say what he wants to say in a really weird way. In short, Tori obfuscates; Robyn transmorgifies (no thesaurus used, BTW, but dictionary consulted). - -----Michael K., who, like every other clever person on this list (yes, yes, that *does* include every single subscriber), appears to fashions himself a bit of a wordsmith. Well, well now. Indeed. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:00:19 -0400 From: tanter Subject: Re: unnecessary political rant At 07:35 PM 4/27/1998 -0400, you wrote: > >Marcy: If I may presume to interpret Rich's post, he wasn't saying that it >was morally OK for Europeans to conquer the Americas. He was pointing out >that such conquests are fairly normal human behavior and happened over and >over again until quite recent times. His meaning seems to be, don't >single out America for a crime that has been committed by many other >countries. But he did not say it was "OK" in the sense that you seem to >be taking it in. It didn't read that way to me initially, but I see your point. Apologies to Rich if this is so. Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:13:18 PDT From: "chris franz" Subject: Storefront plans for Tuesday Just a reminder to everyone that a reservation has been made in the name of Mr. Feg at the Patio Cafe, which is one block down Castro street from the theater. The reservation is at seven. A couple of Fegs will be at my flat a couple of blocks away before then; if you want to join in, just let me know. ObBrainteaser: didn't Falco have a 3? And didn't PIL have a self-titled album? Or were they P.I.L.? How about the Byrds' 5D? - - Chris n.p. an old Blancmange 12" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:11:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Gregory Stuart Shell Subject: "that was purdy" - revisited Greetings All, >Putting aside the question of whether this is Rich's own opinion of the >UN or that of the US Republican party (or both?), the *stated* reason >for US withholding of UN dues is that the UN supports family planning >clinics in other countries that either perform abortions, or provide >counseling in which abortion is presented as a legitimate option. Then >what the Republicans do is put language in essential appropriations >bills stating that funds will only be appropriated for dues if such >programs are discontinued. Jesse Helms is just one of the gang that's >fond of this tactic; they're all responsible, and they've been doing >it for years. Well since it was only a few years ago when the Republicans gained the majority, they must have been some awfully sneeky folks to sneak it the eyes of Byrd, Gephardt, Rostin(the felon from Chicago)kowsky, Kennedy Frank etc... I guess those guys never actually read the bills just voted on the ones with the most interesting names. Memes complex, a frightening thing, but it's symptoms are found in the majority of earthlings and it will never be eradicated. Possibly controlled but not eliminated. Ever notice how the "individualists", be they in fashion, music, politics, religion or whatever, whose main slogan during their struggle was tolerance and acceptance, so often make really negative generalizations? Sit at home and read a book Hoping that someone will look and catch you smiling with a hook Watch the cars and then watch the tube Eat some mushrooms, study flumes then jump into a pool somewhere and wash away the smoke You can always use some Sarah's mouth to sooth it while she's gone So bang your pride but don't fall in line or you might never be forgiven Memes complex, a frightening thing, but it's symptoms a found the majority of earthlings and it will never be eradicated. Possibly controlled but not eliminated. Ever notice how the "individualists", be they in fashion, music, politics, religion or whatever, whose main slogan during their struggle was tolerance and acceptance, so often make really negative generalizations? >>The other point is really the thing that's touchy... It has >>to do with the fact that American culture does not like smart people... I do not feel it is the culture as much as the rulers and especially the temporary rulers who do not like the smart folks. If you were running the place and like most have only short term self-serving agendas, wouldn't you rather have an ignorant if not subserviant type of populous? It was our fearless leaders wife who said "It takes a village"? Is not the whole ideal behind socialism, "one big village"? Each part working not alone but together as a single machine or system. Each should give according to it's ability and take only what it needs? I always wondered who would get whatever is left and whether it could ever be divided equally among the parts. Or maybe the socialists think in their perfect world, there would be no left overs. Everyone "should" have a chance, but true equality is a pipe dream and will never happen. Remember the musical fruits for sale at Robyn's shows for 15 bucks. They can be bought at many music stores for less than 5 dollars. That is a 200% percent markup. Give me a C... Give me an A... Give me a P... OK, you know what that spells. I wonder if he claims this income when he gets home? I wonder what Robyn really thinks about socialism? He is a capitalist in the purest form. Capitalism and socialism can exist to some degree next to the other because true capitalism is an economic system based on an unregulated free market. Socialism is in fact simply a social welfare system whose correct definition is not understood or accepted by many. To many socialism is an all encompassing social and economic system. Any economic system strictly regulated is destined to fail or to be controlled eventually by the black market. I still think anyone with an IQ lower than 135, a socialist or for that matter anyone who has not taken LSD, should not be allowed to vote or breed. Sure we could let tham have sex, but only under strick regulation and only after the have collected at least 15 feg points. For every 15 points they would be allowed one orgasm. I hope this all came out right. Has anyone seen "The Butcher Boy" yet? Oh yeah fuck the UN. Regards, Gregory S. Shell Subversive Specialist System Analyst ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:54:31 From: Michael Hooker Subject: off topic- gig listings hi, does anyone know of a web site with good gig listings? i am in the NYC area , and the locals papers dont often list shows until the week the are playing, and by then tickets are sometimes gone. thanks, Mike Hooker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:23:35 EDT From: KarmaFuzzz Subject: Re: another degrees of RH quiz In a message dated 98-04-27 16:09:44 EDT, nicastr@idt.net writes: > This one can be done in 3 steps: > Robyn Hitchcock to Stevie Ray Vaughn robyn to matthew seligman to david bowie to SRV. but everyone knows that... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:21:41 EDT From: KarmaFuzzz Subject: Re: peter gabriel TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com writes: > Well, I don't actually think they were untitled, nor really considered > "peter gabriel 1, 2, 3, and 4." The first four PG albums are all called > just that -- "peter gabriel." I am pretty sure (reaching back to my prog > rock heyday) that's how it works. same thing with The House of Love's first Five albums (though the first one is only available in Germany, and wasn't for long anyways). A Spy in THOL and Babe Rainbow were just named in the US after objects on the covers, but technically the only HOL album with a title is Audience With the Mind.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:28:31 -0400 From: tanter Subject: Re: another degrees of RH quiz At 09:23 PM 4/27/1998 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-04-27 16:09:44 EDT, nicastr@idt.net writes: >> This one can be done in 3 steps: >> Robyn Hitchcock to Stevie Ray Vaughn > >robyn to matthew seligman to david bowie to SRV. but everyone knows that... OK, smarties, link him to ME. (and I don't mean my son either!) Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:46:11 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Ebait (50% indignant Deadhead content) Hal patchoulied: >What have you heard by the Dead? You say you don't like >live tapes...so, can you say you've really heard a lot of >live GD? (That's where what's left of the real magic is, you know!) >I'll assume you wouldn't offer an "informed" opinion based only on >hearing/seeing "Touch Of Grey" on MTV or anything, so I ask again...what >have you >actually heard? In addition to hearing the big Grateful Dead singles and albums (American Beauty, Workingman's Dead...y'know...), I've listened to "classic" archived concerts on radio several times. I have TRIED to find something interesting about that band. Tried reeeeeel hard. I still think they're *just* shy of worthless. The only thing I'll give them is that Garcia is a good technical guitarist. But even there, his style is WAY too "tinkly" for my tastes. No balls. And anyway, I'm not one to worship axe-heroes. Not really a component of my musical aesthetic, for the most part. I've never heard anything by the Grateful Dead that resembles rock 'n' roll. I've heard plenty of sleepy boogie and brainfryclippetycloppetism, but that doesn't rate with me. And Garcia/Weir have to rank among the all-time least engaging singers I've ever heard. Utterly forgettable. And deeply wobbly, pitchwise. Hate the silly pseudo-philosophical lyrics too -- just fodder for Harley riders with daisies woven in their spokes. I can't imagine that the lyrics, guitar style, singing or beat are going to change so radically on the oh-so-legendary 2/11/69 tape that I'll suddenly become a fan. Lotsa people hate the Dead. I'm one of them. And spare me the "one can't possibly dislike the Dead if he has been exposed to enough material" argument. There are well-informed music fans who don't like the Grateful Dead. Just accept it. Have you seen me attack anyone for not liking Neutral Milk Hotel? Then Ben sniffed: >That's one of the things that bugs me most about Dead critics (a profession >that employs more people than any other American industry), when they >compare the Dead's improv/jamming "whoever's 8-hour guitar solo on Whipping >Post". If that's all your hearing in their music and that's all you can >think of to compare to it, then you're missing the whole point of what >people (some Deadheads, even) hear in them. Sort of like the constant >comparisons between Robyn Hitchcock and Syd Barrett, it's becoming a >nauseating practise that is devoid of any kind of original perspective on >the music and displays a complete misinterpretation of the artist's work. >Lame. Zzzzzz. See above. Diss the Dead to a Head, and the inevitable response is "Oh, you gotta see 'em live." Or in Brandt's case, "Oh, you gotta HEAR them live." And what's the main difference between live and studio shows? Jammin', dude. You cite NO Grateful Dead virtues as rebuttal -- you only attack my criticisms negatively. Such a tactic isn't too convincing to me. Eb (jeez, I really didn't think we'd have to get into this again) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #163 *******************************