From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #161 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, April 27 1998 Volume 07 : Number 161 Today's Subjects: ----------------- another brain-teaser? [Eb ] Re: another brain-teaser? [nicastr@idt.net (Ben)] Re: another brain-teaser? [Capuchin ] Re: another brain-teaser? [Gary Assassin ] Re: another brain-teaser? [Gary Assassin ] Re: another brain-teaser? [John Barrington Jones ] Re: another brain-teaser? [John Barrington Jones ] Re: another brain-teaser? [Eb ] Re: another brain-teaser? [Eb ] Re: another brain-teaser? [Eb ] album title [tanter ] Re: Tori (up to 5% RH now!) [MARKEEFE ] Re: another brain-teaser? [Capuchin ] UCH [tanter ] Nimoy [dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich)] Merlin [tanter ] Re: another brain-teaser? [Jonathan Pont ] Re: album title [nicastr@idt.net (Ben)] An excuse for several PS's including an unnecessary political rant. [jame] Re: another brain-teaser? [KarmaFuzzz ] Re: another brain-teaser? [KarmaFuzzz ] Re: album title [Eb ] Re: unnecessary political rant. [Capuchin ] Re: another brain-teaser? [Capuchin ] Re: Flann [Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer ] An imaginary fish [Natalie Jacobs ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:08:16 -0700 From: Eb Subject: another brain-teaser? Since this political debate is getting a bit ugly (and you KNOW how I hate confrontation...heh), I thought I'd offer some comic relief. The other night, a chum and I were trying to think of album titles with three characters or less (counting punctuation like periods and exclamation points, but not counting spaces). We came up with the following: Eye Low Red Ram VU So Tim USA 154 2 X 4 2 X 4 (yep, two different albums) A-Z 3R4 Dos Bug One Hup Goo Oh Pod Sir OAR Go 2 Can 712 Dry Us Rev 9 41 Fun M-3 L7 L' P Fly Ass So, can you add to this list? Presumably, we missed some obvious ones.... Bonus: I suppose we could also play the "Submit your answers to Eb" game and see who can match the most artists with the above titles, but since six of the albums are eponymous and one is a gimme, ehhhh.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:56:29 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: another brain-teaser? >Since this political debate is getting a bit ugly (and you KNOW how I hate >confrontation...heh), I thought I'd offer some comic relief. > >The other night, a chum and I were trying to think of album titles with >three characters or less (counting punctuation like periods and exclamation >points, but not counting spaces). We came up with the following: > >Eye >Low >Red >Ram >VU >So >Tim >USA >154 >2 X 4 >2 X 4 (yep, two different albums) >A-Z >3R4 >Dos >Bug >One >Hup >Goo >Oh >Pod >Sir >OAR >Go 2 >Can >712 >Dry >Us >Rev >9 >41 >Fun >M-3 >L7 >L' >P >Fly >Ass > >So, can you add to this list? Presumably, we missed some obvious ones.... > >Bonus: I suppose we could also play the "Submit your answers to Eb" game >and see who can match the most artists with the above titles, but since six >of the albums are eponymous and one is a gimme, ehhhh.... > >Eb Here's a big one (and I'm not even a U2 fan), "Boy". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:16:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: another brain-teaser? On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, Eb wrote: > The other night, a chum and I were trying to think of album titles with > three characters or less (counting punctuation like periods and exclamation > points, but not counting spaces). We came up with the following: We had this game where we'd try to come up with the shortest band name/song title combination. Also the longest. I think I was winning with Nena ? But there were several ties. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:27:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Assassin Subject: Re: another brain-teaser? > The other night, a chum and I were trying to think of album titles with > three characters or less (counting punctuation like periods and exclamation > points, but not counting spaces). We came up with the following: > Go! by Letter To Cleo. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:28:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Assassin Subject: Re: another brain-teaser? > We had this game where we'd try to come up with the shortest band > name/song title combination. Also the longest. > the longest definitely has to be that album by Bow Wow Wow, which I cannot recall the name of, as it was so long, my brain cannot hold all that data in it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:33:42 -0700 From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: another brain-teaser? >Since this political debate is getting a bit ugly (and you KNOW how I hate >confrontation...heh), I thought I'd offer some comic relief. > >The other night, a chum and I were trying to think of album titles with >three characters or less (counting punctuation like periods and exclamation >points, but not counting spaces). We came up with the following: > >Eye >Low I think there is a Pigface album called "Gub" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:35:06 -0700 From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: another brain-teaser? >Since this political debate is getting a bit ugly (and you KNOW how I hate >confrontation...heh), I thought I'd offer some comic relief. > >The other night, a chum and I were trying to think of album titles with >three characters or less (counting punctuation like periods and exclamation >points, but not counting spaces). We came up with the following: > >Eye Oh, and 1992's Prince & The New Power Generation . The title of the album was that glyph or symbol that he would later adopt as his name. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:38:01 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: another brain-teaser? >On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, Eb wrote: >> The other night, a chum and I were trying to think of album titles with >> three characters or less (counting punctuation like periods and exclamation >> points, but not counting spaces). We came up with the following: > >We had this game where we'd try to come up with the shortest band >name/song title combination. Also the longest. Well, someone else just mentioned U2/"Boy." That's probably pretty hard to beat for shortness. As for longest, I'd have to opt for Tyrannosaurus Rex/"My People Were Fair and Had Sky in Their Hair..But Now They're Content to Wear Stars on Their Brows." Sounds like a winner to me. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:45:44 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: another brain-teaser? >> We had this game where we'd try to come up with the shortest band >> name/song title combination. Also the longest. >> >the longest definitely has to be that album by Bow Wow Wow, which I cannot >recall the name of, as it was so long, my brain cannot hold all that data >in it. Well, firstly, he said SONG TITLE, not album title. As Bow Wow Wow being "definitely" the longest.... Compare Bow Wow Wow/See Jungle! See Jungle! Go Join Your Gang Yeah! City All Over, Go Ape Crazy and Tyrannosaurus Rex/My People Were Fair And Had Sky In Their Hair...But Now They're Content To Wear Stars On Their Brows Winner: Tyrannosaurus Rex. Eb, not at all sure how Nena fit into the above debate ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:52:49 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: another brain-teaser? >>On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, Eb wrote: >>> The other night, a chum and I were trying to think of album titles with >>> three characters or less (counting punctuation like periods and exclamation >>> points, but not counting spaces). We came up with the following: >> >>We had this game where we'd try to come up with the shortest band >>name/song title combination. Also the longest. > >Well, someone else just mentioned U2/"Boy." That's probably pretty hard to >beat for shortness. As for longest, I'd have to opt for Tyrannosaurus >Rex/"My People Were Fair and Had Sky in Their Hair..But Now They're Content >to Wear Stars on Their Brows." Sounds like a winner to me. Oops, I thought I had trashed this message, instead of sending it. Because I initially made the song vs. album mistake too. :/ Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:52:01 -0400 From: tanter Subject: album title Well....what about all those Peter Gabriel albums that were untitled? Where do they fit in? Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:03:57 EDT From: MARKEEFE Subject: Re: Tori (up to 5% RH now!) In a message dated 4/25/98 6:47:42 PM, you wrote: <> "Way to go Mr. Microphone show us all what you don't know centuries secret societies he's our commander still space dog" -- a very "huh?!" beginning to one of her most "huh?!" songs (from "Under the Pink"). And then, from "Marianne" ("Boys for Pele"), there's: "the weasel squeaks faster than a seven day week I said Timmy and that purple Monkey are all down at Bobby's house making themselves pesters and lesters and jesters and my traitors of kind and I'm just having thoughts of Marianne she could outrun the fastest slug she could Marianne quickest girl in the frying pan" Now, I really like the last line of that stanza, but the rest feels like gibberish to me. Why can't they all be as good as "The Waitress" or "Icicle"? I'm sure, John, that you're right about her wanting to insulate herself a bit from public scrutiny, but she could at least, then, right about *other people* in a way that says something. . . well, just any kind of something would be good. I swear, though, she has more proper names (of people about whom we know nothing) on "Boys for Pele" then Robyn does on all of his albums combined (well, maybe half of them combined, anyway). Tori's lyrics from "Pele" (in particular) are all just a barrage of images and allusions (I guess they're allusions to something or someone) which aren't anywhere near as cleverly strung together as RH's. . . or even as focused as her lyrics on "Pink", which were still quite "stream of consciousness", but usually served to fill out one (weird, hazy, fractured) picture, whereas, on "Pele", the lyrics just seem to set up an assembly line of disconnected images, like trying to explain a pointilist painting by randomly examining the individual dots of color. Just doesn't do it for me. There's got to be something concrete to latch onto, oherwise the surrounding metaphors and images in the lyric are set adrift and left to fend for themselves (a hopeless fight). - ------Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:14:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: another brain-teaser? On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, Eb wrote: > Well, firstly, he said SONG TITLE, not album title. > As Bow Wow Wow being "definitely" the longest.... > > Compare > Bow Wow Wow/See Jungle! See Jungle! Go Join Your Gang Yeah! City All Over, > Go Ape Crazy > and > Tyrannosaurus Rex/My People Were Fair And Had Sky In Their Hair...But Now > They're Content To Wear Stars On Their Brows > Winner: Tyrannosaurus Rex. These are both very good, but again, they're albums. There are some weird obscure novelty songs with unbelievably ludicrous kinds of long titles, but I tend to dismiss those (without any hard, fast rules in the game... it's all pretty subjective). Are there any long songs by the band When People Were Shorter And Lived Near The Water? > Eb, not at all sure how Nena fit into the above debate Shortest. Nena has a song called ? J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:46:51 -0400 From: tanter Subject: UCH Would any of our learned friends in the London area please tell me where they would go if they were told to go to UCH? It's an academic place but there's no listing for University College Hospital on the web, so what other options are there? Ta very much. Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:57:10 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: Nimoy On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:46:24 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > >>We have some cool similar shows out west. I think Shatner's tragicomic do >>of "Mr. Tamborine Man" is simply amazing. >> >>annoyingly youse alls, >>-markg > But not half as amazing as Leonard Nimoy's "Proud Mary," which is >actually listenable (especially after Shatner). Spock Rocks! Nimoy's proud mary? nah, the real *keeper* is Mr. nimoy's ballad of bilbo baggins" or- especially "If i had a hammer!" that said, he *was* good in 'Brave new world'...anyone else see that? -luther ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:48:42 -0400 From: tanter Subject: Merlin Anybody out there watching Merlin right now? Is this bizarre or what? Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:59:16 -0400 From: Jonathan Pont Subject: Re: another brain-teaser? At 05:56 PM 4/26/98 -0500, Ben wrote: >Here's a big one (and I'm not even a U2 fan), "Boy". U2 would also qualify with "War" and "Pop." - jp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:18:10 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: album title >Well....what about all those Peter Gabriel albums that were untitled? >Where do they fit in? > >Marcy I think those three albums are referred to as "Peter Gabriel 1,2,3" by most people, but I suppose officially they are untitled. As for symbols for album names (someone mentioned one of Prince's releases) what about Led Zeppelin's 4th (album, not symphony)? Has anyone else released any albums with symbols for titles? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:04:51 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: An excuse for several PS's including an unnecessary political rant. >I blame this modern craze for perspective. > >- - Mike Godwin erk! He said the 'p' word! >>"A working man, a working man, the gift of God is a working man" > >Ah, but a pint of plain is your only man! do the dosie-doe, do the mirror man, do the boston crab and the Allemande! James (struggling on with visual perception work...) PS >Indie? I sure can't name many indie albums with artwork that rustic and >"historical-looking." In fact, I can't name one, at the moment. Maybe >something by 16 Horsepower? I dunno. Emergency Third Rail Power Trip (Rain Parade). Hallelujah All the Way Home (Verlaines). PPS >Perspex! Perfect for a spring day...! Eye! Excellent for a mellow autumn day! ;) PPPS > But I guess that the emormity of her fan-base suggests that she's doing >an all right job LOL! You know, of course, that 'enormity' means 'horror'... As for the divine Ms A, she comes across to me not so much as hippy dippy as as someone who views the world from a slightly different persp...er...viewpoint. As for her lyrics being oblique... no more so thatRobym's (or those of another favourite songwriter of mine, one Ms J.Mitchell) >china, decorates our table! ha ha ha that song always makes me think of a line in Leonard Cohen's song "Suzanne" PPPPS >> The fact that the US has always been a beacon of freedom and opportunity >> to the rest of the world as well as an inspiration cannot be denied. LSMIFOMCARAOTFFFM!* (*Laughed so much I fell of my chair and rolled around on the floor for five minutes) >Do any fegs from other countries long >to live in the US, to become US citizens? Why or why not? /rant mode on, and apologies in advance for this. By and large, I have never met an unfriendly American, and I count a lot of Americans (especially those on this list) as friends. But the concept of America itself... not in any way. What Americans regard as their 'freedom' is far too restrictive. From an outsiders point of view. The government seems blase about the care of its people, of whom vast numbers are living in very poor conditions (not necessarily poor with respect to 'the third world', but poor nonetheless). It makes great show of supporting internationalism whilst only actually acting when it perceives a (usually paranoiacally imaginary) threat to itself. Billions and billions of dollars are pumped into an overblown military while poverty and crime waltz hand in hand. Every day seems to bring news of a ten year old going on a killing spree. But don't worry - if someone sneezes at you in a restaurant you can probably sue them for tens of millions of dollars. When a small country tries to stand up for what it sees as a better way, the US brings whatever means are available to it to bear in order to get it to 'toe the line'. Ask the Nicaraguans. Or the Grenadans. Or even New Zealanders! When the NZ government banned nuclear weaponry from NZ waters in the early 1980s, it made its views perfectly clear to the US: we are your friends, we have no objection to your ships visiting our ports, we just don't like nuclear weapons. In response, the US stated that there was no way it could tell 'a potentially hostile government' whether its ships wrere carrying nuclear weapons (information which is published in Janes, fer crissakes!), and as such, they would be withdrawing from all military operations involving New Zealand. Furthermore, until the NZ government abandoned its 'aggressive(!) stance', it would get no military intelligence from the US, and its exports (which the NZ economy relies on) would no longer be granted priority status in US markets. There were even rumours in NZ that the US would take some much more drastic action against the NZ government (thankfully, these seem to have just been rumours). /rant mode off James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:28:52 EDT From: KarmaFuzzz Subject: Re: another brain-teaser? capuchin@teleport.com writes: > Shortest. Nena has a song called ? then again, R.E.M. has a song called ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:28:57 EDT From: KarmaFuzzz Subject: Re: another brain-teaser? In a message dated 98-04-26 17:19:11 EDT, gondola@deltanet.com writes: Echobelly: On Depeche Mode: 101 U2: Boy; War; Pop Morphine [or someone else?]: Yes and lots of bands with: II or III...... > Bonus: I suppose we could also play the "Submit your answers to Eb" game > and see who can match the most artists with the above titles, but since six > of the albums are eponymous and one is a gimme, ehhhh.... and you could just look them up on various websites like that anyways........ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:35:26 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: album title >I think those three albums are referred to as "Peter Gabriel 1,2,3" by most >people, but I suppose officially they are untitled. As for symbols for >album names (someone mentioned one of Prince's releases) what about Led >Zeppelin's 4th (album, not symphony)? Has anyone else released any albums >with symbols for titles? Don't think so, but then there's the Butthole Surfers' "Hairway to Steven," where the SONGS are titled with symbols.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:17:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: unnecessary political rant. I'm really only joining into this because I'm leaving town and heading to San Francisco tomorrow and probably won't have to deal with the repercussions so much. I'm also riding down with Eddie (assuming he lets me in the car) so consider me fully admonished for posting this at all. I'd also like to say that I fully agree with what James said about pushing smaller countries around and using its people's money to sway other people's decisions. However, that's not to say that the US should leave other country's internal workings to themselves (as one feg suggested) because that's what politics and trade are all about. One tiny example is the tuna fishing in Mexico. The WTO stated that the US law saying that tuna cannot be purchased from firms that kill more than X percent (by weight) of other animals (namely dolphins and sea turtles) with their nets was against free trade and would have to be dropped so that Mexican tuna fisheries can sell to US companies. Now, didn't we just have a big fuss in the US about our own fisheries doing the evil bad thing? And wasn't the law supposed to make it clear to consumers that their tuna was safe for them little dolphins and turtles? Yes and yes. And didn't the WTO just throw that all down the toilet because Mexico's rules, they say, shouldn't play a part in our policies? Yep... what a mess! You have to watch everyone and base your policies as much on what they do internally as externally. And when asked if he would want to be an American (or some similar question), James replied: > not in any way. What Americans regard as their 'freedom' is far too > restrictive. From an outsiders point of view. The government seems blase > about the care of its people, of whom vast numbers are living in very poor > conditions (not necessarily poor with respect to 'the third world', but > poor nonetheless). It makes great show of supporting internationalism > whilst only actually acting when it perceives a (usually paranoiacally > imaginary) threat to itself. Billions and billions of dollars are pumped > into an overblown military while poverty and crime waltz hand in hand. > Every day seems to bring news of a ten year old going on a killing spree. > But don't worry - if someone sneezes at you in a restaurant you can > probably sue them for tens of millions of dollars. This is where I take up arms (figuratively. I'm not a violent person in the slightest). I've had this argument with other New Zealanders specifically and they all seem to come down on the same side of the fence (which is why it's good we have different countries with different rules!) I think what New Zealanders regard as their 'freedom' is far too restrictive. I'm perfectly OK with the trade-off we make by not socializing medicine and university and such. We all go home with a little more in our paychecks and some people go without things. I'm undoubtedly a have-not. I'm out of work, barely maintaining a residence and I grew up very poor. Do I think the government should be handing me things? Absolutely not. Should I be given breaks? Nope. That money comes from somewhere... and I know it comes from people's pockets that could maybe use it for something better; my priorities are not theirs. I don't want to imply that all Americans feel as I do (look at eddie!) nor that all NZers feel as James does (look at... well, I don't know), but let's call James' view "The New Zealand View" and my view "The American View". I take a fairly radical view when I try to draw lines between these two philosophies in my head: The American View assumes people are basically helpful and The New Zealand View assumes people are basically selfish. In one system, people are given the choice about whether or not they want to contribute to charities that might help out their fellow man and in the other, people's money is taken away and distributed (in one form or another) whether or not the individual wants his money taken for that purpose. I think the crummy Military Industrial Complex was the US's idea of putting money into the economy and stimulating job growth (with what the powers that were felt was the desirable side-effect of building up a massive army with majorly destructive weapons). Yeah, that was dumb. And in hindsight, I'm sure everyone but the war machine people would like to have seen it done another way... Like a good national space program or something. The idea was that the government could inject money into the economy when it could and stimulate growth in areas that needed it, when it was needed. The military seemed a stable and productive source at the time (after all, that's what ended the Depression). I guess what I'm saying is that the military industrial complex was a really shitty welfare program. It worked great at pumping money into different regions and employing large groups of people with diverse skills and backgrounds, but it had all kinds of icky side-effects like... well, like making a big military. I much prefer the idea of sending the government's resources into industry by way of purchasing goods and services for some abstract purpose (like war or exploration or whatever) than organizing give-aways under the auspices of altruism. I agree with all that stuff about the US being awful for not paying UN dues and enforcing tyranny and and all those bad things... It's all true and impossible to deny. US history is filled with all kinds of inhumanities (and so are most every other nations' histories). The natives of this land were totally screwed and yeah, reservations and concentration camps are pretty much the same thing. All of that's true. And even after that, I'd still rather live here than anywhere else. This sounds like a rotten old Grandpa Patriotism thing to say, but I think eddie should at least always be grateful that he lives in a country that he can vocally hate and not public prosecution (now, whether or not the CIA or NSA takes him down is another story). So I come down on both sides of this debate. I like our kind of freedoms. I don't mind being poor here. I'm glad all of the revisionism is slowly being written out of the history books and the crimes of our nation's founders and sustainers are being revealed. I think the US is a shitty neighbor (like the kind that borrows things off of you and never gives anything back... dumps his leaves over onto your lawn... steals your morning paper when his gets caught in a tree... and even sunbathes nude while your children are out playing). I think this could be a really great country if we were maybe a little more honest all around. If any of the things that I do love about living in this country DEPENDED on those awful things this country does, I'd worry... but as it is, they are mutually exclusive. And for that, I can hate what the country does and still love living here. I'm sure some people are really pissed off. I hope I still get a ride to San Francisco. I still think eddie's a great guy and heaps of fun. I still think James is pretty smart and sometimes clever and a nationalist bastard who makes good board games. And I still think Rich Plumb needs to read some American History published in the last twenty years. I think the future looks pretty good for most everybody. I wish you all peace, happiness, and sushi on Wednesdays. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:25:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: another brain-teaser? On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, KarmaFuzzz wrote: > > Shortest. Nena has a song called ? > then again, R.E.M. has a song called Eventually all of this came out in our game... Anything without a name is called "untitled" which I know is unfair, but that's how it worked. Also, all punctuation counts, so R.E.M. is six characters and as far as I know, there's no band called REM. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:37:20 +0100 From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: Flann >>>>> "Mike" == M R Godwin writes: Mike> I wonder who owns the film rights? Fox might, since HarperCollins publish Flann. There's a theatre group (Ridiculusmus) that does a wonderful version of @S2B. It's very audience-participation, and quite messy -- when Trellis gets his from the Pooka, much raw egg and ketchup goes everywhere. They even fry sausages at the cowboy camp, and then offer them round the audience. They also do stuff by Gogol and G. V. Desani. Hugely amusing. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 06:25:54 -0400 From: tanter Subject: re: brain teaser The white album didn't actually have a title.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:44:04 -0500 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: An imaginary fish >btw, i found this an odd comment coming from a robyn hitchcock fan. sure, >he's made a move away from his dense and obscure lyrical past, but he's >still fairly obtuse and his between-song story hasn't gotten any less >surreal. i do suppose that he settles down somewhat during interview >though.... It's not Tori's surreality that bugs me. I like surreality. It's the fact that her brand of surreality, at least in interviews, often strikes me as pretentious, forced, and extremely self-serving. ("Look how weird I am, I'm a wonderful talented artist!") Robyn, on the other hand, doesn't strike me that way - not often, anyway; when he waxes surreal, he doesn't seem to be either faking it or trying to get attention, and he's generally very humble and self-deprecating. Both of them may well "think and feel at orthogonal angles to the rest of us," but only Tori makes such a big stink about it. >but here's an experiment you can try in your own home or workspace. try >singing along. you'll find that, in order to make it sound right, >you've *got* to contort your mouth. it's kinda neat. It's the same if you try to imitate Eddie Vedder (yeah, I used to do this) - - you inevitably end up scrunching up your face in the same way that Vedder does. It's scary. I wonder if people in neighboring cars could hear me singing "I LOVE YOU JESUS CHA-RIIIIST!" and, if so, what they thought. n. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #161 *******************************