From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #159 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, April 25 1998 Volume 07 : Number 159 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Richard Davies/Flann [jeff.downing@mosby.com] Tori, Tori, Tori! [Natalie Jacobs ] Re: Kristin Hersh in Portland, last night [Christopher Gross ] Re: Clouds of glory [Natalie Jacobs ] deeper thots on nmh 0%rh [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: Kryst Hassles... [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: deeper thots on nmh 0%rh [Eb ] Re: deeper thots on nmh 0%rh [Aaron Mandel ] Eb's odd connection to Claudine Longet [Chris ] Politics is Way Off Topic [Rich Plumb ] politics etc. [tanter ] n.p. [tanter ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 10:13:56 -0600 From: jeff.downing@mosby.com Subject: Richard Davies/Flann Greetings all, Was wondering if any of you kind votaries had experienced the multimedia ancillary of the new Richard Davies disc. Using my ever-crippled 3.1, I can view the movie files, but not the whole shebang (although it's evident that the techno-wizards _tried_ to come up with a 3.1 program, until eventually throwing up their hands in either frustration or spite). I'd especially like to know whether the lyrics are included (as was the case with Michael Penn's "Resigned"). Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also, for fans of Flann, a new paperback edition of "At Swim-Two-Birds" will be released in August by the quixotic saints at the Dalkey Archive (named after another fine Flann-work), featuring an introduction by the fascinatingly turgid William Gass. And for fans of this sort of thing, At Swim earned a blurb from Dylan Thomas that may be the best I've ever run across: "This is just the book to give your sister if she's a loud, dirty, boozy girl!" Nothing more need be said. thanks, Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:15:43 -0500 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Tori, Tori, Tori! >At Swim-Two-Birds has at least one additional level. There is an >autobiographical part about the student who is writing the book about the >novelist whose characters come to life. Oh, and there's a pooka and a good >fairy who argue a lot - there's a king who keeps getting mixed up with >watercress - and some cowboys. The good fairy is invisible and keeps hanging out in weird places, like the frying pan and the Pooka McPhellimey's wife's hair ("but it is a bad country and I am there no longer"). The cowboys are all Dubliners. And there's "the god-big Finn" and his backside that was so large that thirty youths could play handball against it. >I wonder who owns the film rights? I want Terry Gilliam to direct. >I just keep hearing that Howard Stern drop-in in my head, with that harsh >voice barking "Shut UP! Shut UP! Shut UP!" over and over.... LOL! Tori is just too, TOO precious, isn't she? I was just reading an old interview where she was talking about how "my songs nail you to the wall and then we decide whether we're going to rub ice cream or sandpaper on you. I have a very big shoe collection." Um, whatever. >Her songs paint pictures, like Robyn's, but the pictures are made with >emotionpaint. And the bottom line: The songs come from somewhere not here, >not earthly. She is the real thing when she says the songs come to her. >Tori's lines about the girls lining up for her (the songs) sounds bogus and >crap in the face of these songs by Kristin. Wonderfully put. Kristin is the real deal. Thanks for the description of her show; I just got my ticket yesterday and I'm really, really looking forward to seeing her. One more week... >It seems that most people tend to regard children in this light that I don't >understand- namely, not as adults-in-training with personhood of their own, >but as this thing called "children", this sort of mythical thing with >perfect innocence. Childhood is a 19th-century creation; blame the Victorians. Before the 19th century, children were considered to be small adults and were treated accordingly; they dressed like adults and, unfortunately, also worked like adults. The construction of childhood as a separate sphere of perfect innocence led to child labor laws and child abuse laws, but also led to the kind of attitude you're describing. n. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:33:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Kristin Hersh in Portland, last night On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, John Barrington Jones wrote: > She is the real thing when she says the songs come to her. > Tori's lines about the girls lining up for her (the songs) sounds bogus and > crap in the face of these songs by Kristin. What a coincidence! I was just sitting here thinking about how Robyn's song "Bass" just blows away American Airlines Chairman Robert Crandall's telling an interviewer (Time, 4 May 1992, p.53) that "We will maintain our simple, four-fare system [first class, coach, seven-day and 14-day advance purchase], but we will lower the ceiling if we have to." - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:54:47 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Clouds of glory On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, Natalie Jacobs wrote: > Childhood is a 19th-century creation; blame the Victorians. Before the > 19th century, children were considered to be small adults and were treated > accordingly; they dressed like adults and, unfortunately, also worked like > adults. Interestingly, they were also _seen_ as small adults. Until well into the renaissance, pictures of children have the proportions of adults (relatively small head, small eyes and long legs). Then some clever-dick artist actually started looking at them and noticed they measured up differently. I blame this modern craze for perspective. - - Mike Godwin "A working man, a working man, the gift of God is a working man" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:06:00 -0500 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Re: Clouds of glory >Interestingly, they were also _seen_ as small adults. Until well into the >renaissance, pictures of children have the proportions of adults >(relatively small head, small eyes and long legs). Then some clever-dick >artist actually started looking at them and noticed they measured up >differently. And then, after the Victorians invented childhood and waxed sentimental about it, you got all those sickening pictures of children with wildly exaggerated child-like features (chubby cheeks, pug nose, big eyes, etc.). Those never appeared before the 19th century, as far as I know. >"A working man, a working man, the gift of God is a working man" Ah, but a pint of plain is your only man! n. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:43:31 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: deeper thots on nmh 0%rh nice artwork. very indie. lyrics: cool, in a disturbed, hinted-at underlying psychodramatic kind of way. Track number 2 "I luuuv yew jeeeeesuuhhs chrieyieist" reminds me of the Darryl Zero character playing his acoustic guitar jumping on the bed in _Zero Effect_. Funny. music: some They Might Be Giants riffs ramming into Fleetwood Mac's "Tusk" while some garage band nearby is trying to play loud enough to not hear them. I think it works pretty well. Overall: first listen was good, every one since then has been better. I bet this band will do even better in the future if the leader doesn't kill himself. I'm not paid to do this, nor should I. I am willing to be paid to stop. - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:55:34 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: Kryst Hassles... >>In all honesty, when they make me king of the world, it >>will be considered child neglect, endangerment, and >>abuse for any kid to be in viewing distance of movies >>like it. >But what about parents like mine (and they are the majority) who think this >is the only appropriate kid viewing? They'd be peeved. Doesn't matter, they'd all be in jail. ;-) >It seems that most people tend to regard children in this light that I don't >understand- namely, not as adults-in-training with personhood of their own, >but as this thing called "children", this sort of mythical thing with >perfect innocence. In fact, when I was a kid my mother was really squicked >that instead of these "after school movie of the week" things and sappy Bing >Crosby as a priest who saves the poor church things, what I really actually >enjoyed were "Twilight Zone" reruns and Edgar Allan Poe, because kids were >-supposed- to like the former, not the latter. Scorpio rising maybe? I totally agree with you. One of the crappiest things about my upbringing was how over-protected I was from "bad things" and things that might not be socially comfortable. Eventually, I managed to escape by listening to strange music and being generally weird. >>Susan Dodge has started to cringe every time I post, and >>that movie bit about how I hated xxx xxxxxxx must have >>pushed her over the top. >Well, no, but I really didn't like being reminded of that damn thing all the >same. Plus you put the song in my head (ewwwww!) which leads nicely into >this next part. Apologies. I can't remember the song, but the way I get songs out of my head is that I either hear them again, or write the title of a song on an avery label and stick it to the claw end of a hammer and bash my right temple with that end of the hammer. The good news is that I've forgotten many of the songs. The bad news is that I've forgotten lots of other things. >>insidious pop songs that get inside your head and won't >>leave. They got hate mail for suggesting even the names >>of the songs, which their audience was thrown into the >>horrible echoes of the horrible ditties >I'm not surprised. The last thing I need is to have Abba songs in my head. >One of the reasons I like NPR generally is because I'm sure of not hearing >that crap there. This is probably one reason people got so upset. They worked in _Priscilla, Queen of the Desert_, but I wouldn't wish them on my feggie friends. I think that the Geneva Convention has rendered their songs illegal to administer to prisoners. >The Chicago NPR affiliate has a segment they call "The Annoying Music Show", >which is exactly what it says it is. It cracks me up. And everything they >play is certifiably, one hundred percent, totally annoying. What I mean is, >there's nothing that is say, annoying to some and not at all annoying to >others (e.g., The Smiths), but at any rate has some credibility. Everything >they play is on the order of "Golden Throats" (it is on this show that I >first heard "The Young Puppetteer of San Jose" and "Honey", among other >howlers). The surprising thing is that they've actually gotten complaint >letters not from people who don't like the annoying songs in their heads but >from people who claim that a lot of the music played -isn't- annoying, and >resent the implied slam on their taste. Go figure. At any rate it is funny >to hear the host read them on the air while Shatner's "Lucy In The Sky" >plays in the background. I don't know if it is syndicated, but it OUGHT to >be- ask your local affiliate :). We have some cool similar shows out west. I think Shatner's tragicomic do of "Mr. Tamborine Man" is simply amazing. annoyingly youse alls, - -markg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:24:59 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: deeper thots on nmh 0%rh >nice artwork. very indie. Indie? I sure can't name many indie albums with artwork that rustic and "historical-looking." In fact, I can't name one, at the moment. Maybe something by 16 Horsepower? I dunno. >I bet this band will do even better in the future if the leader doesn't kill >himself. Hm. You know, I really don't get that suicidal vibe from him at all. He writes songs about sad desperate characters, but he's more of a storyteller - -- the songs don't usually feel like personal confessions. And he writes about death a lot, certainly, but to me, it's more like in a therapeutic/coping sort of way. To Jeff: Yeah, I played with the Richard Davies CD-extra stuff. I don't recall lyrics being included. I remember it being basically just a few interview/performance clips. Not too elaborate. I could check it again, if you're that eager to know. Hey, there's a thread: What's everyone's favorite CD-extra? My choice is probably Primus' Tales From the Punchbowl. Eb np: gassy fusion jizz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:53:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: deeper thots on nmh 0%rh On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, Eb wrote: > Indie? I sure can't name many indie albums with artwork that rustic and > "historical-looking." In fact, I can't name one, at the moment. Maybe > something by 16 Horsepower? I dunno. my first thought upon seeing it was GBV's Under The Bushes, Under The Stars. but it's true, if someone said "the art's an old picture, very indie" i would assume the art was a labeled diagram, something i've seen on so many emo records it boggles the mind. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:06:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Subject: Eb's odd connection to Claudine Longet On Thursday, April 23 1998, Eb spoke- >And hey, I had another fanatic write me, who was bragging that his >collection was so complete that he even had HOME MOVIES of Longet playing >golf. No kidding! Well, Eb, I've just got to ask - what on earth would prompt Claudine Longet fanatics to write to you bragging of their collections / obsessions / life devotions to CL? Could it be you were another shooter on the snowy knoll? What sort of bizarre thread weaves you into the brightly colored, but still fairly fashionalbe, fabric of these psychotic CL fans? Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:20:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Rich Plumb Subject: Politics is Way Off Topic Mr "Capitalism Blows" said in response to > > "overwhelmingly more horrifying" than those of other countries. Depends > on your criteria for horror, I guess.> > > again, sorry. i meant, taken in total. considering we've been at it > for two hundred years -- compared with hitler's twelve, for example. You are deluded. We've never in our history done anything as heinous as Hitler. > (by the way, if you ever want to read the american Mein Kampf, check out > teddy roosevelt's The Winning of the West. pretty scary stuff.) I haven't read it, TR was a bit wacked, but he had nothing to do with Winning the West. He did help build the Panama Canal and beat the Spaniards when the US was attempting to catch the Europeans in the imperialist era. > and considering that we've been the only global hegemon in history, and that > we've had the most destructive weapons in history at our disposal. I would call the Romans a global hegemon in their day. A relatively much more horrifying regime than ours. We've only used our weapons once and it was justified. I would also say it was justified for us to have been a participant in the cold war and arms race. > we're also obviously responsible for crimes carried out with our weapons > and approval. this is your opinion. oh I forgot which crimes are these? > and for crimes made possible or facilitated by our intransigence in the u.n. which intransigence is this? > and let's don't forget economic warfare, which is often every bit and > even a little more destructive than incendiary warfare. this is a real stretch. what is the US supposed to do roll over? > finally, classical/neoliberal economics (and imf enforcement of same) > are probably even more destructive still. the u.s. isn't solely at > fault for imf/world bank crimes, but we certainly lead the way. ?????????????? I just want to say that you are hopelessly misguided and in relative terms the US is the most benign superpower in the history of the human race. Obviously we've committed crimes, but never in our history have we done anything compared to Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot and Hitler to name a few. Of course slaughtering the Indians seems pretty nasty in this day and age, but imperialism was common before the 20th century and not considered the crime against humanity it is today. The fact that the US has always been a beacon of freedom and opportunity to the rest of the world as well as an inspiration cannot be denied. You can of course find all sorts of exceptions and dwell on the negatives, but it has been an overwhelmingly positive force in the world. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:01:38 -0400 From: tanter Subject: politics etc. And one day, we'll all be dead, the earth will cease to exist and what will it all have meant anyway? Marcy ;) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:28:27 -0400 From: tanter Subject: n.p. Perspex! Perfect for a spring day...! 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