From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #148 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, April 17 1998 Volume 07 : Number 148 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Is there hope for the future? [M R Godwin ] Glowing Bunnies (RH%=.273, Offtopic%=.342, Fegfest%=.385) [Mike Runion ] Good Bad Movies and Bad Bad Movies ["Cartman's Father" ] having a short memory (patti griffin trade) [the magus ] Re: who's bad? (this is long and about movies, delete at will :)) [hal br] Re: Good Bad Movies and Bad Bad Movies [Jeff Cleveringa ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:09:35 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Is there hope for the future? On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, James Dignan wrote: > Basically what I > meant was I'd get a tingly feeling hearing just about anyone with a decent > voice singing Bells of Rhymney. Apparently there is a new version by McGuinn on a CD tribute to Pete Seeger, along with contributions by Donovan and other folkies. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:14:43 -0700 From: Mike Runion Subject: Glowing Bunnies (RH%=.273, Offtopic%=.342, Fegfest%=.385) (Not sure if this is on or off-topic anymore. Just please don't call me a petulant whimperer...it might make me cry.) Be afriad. Be very afraid. Everyone attending TGQ's East Coast Feg-bash should keep a wary eye peeled throughout the evening, especially when out of doors or when using the old closet bathroom upstairs, the one with no toilet paper and the 25 watt bulb hanging by the bare wire. A mysterious, two foot tall glowing bunny is on the loose and lurking in the shadows. In broad daylight, it appears to be a simply Easter yard ornament, albeit one from the lost days of the mid-70's. At night, the damn thing is just plain creepy, what with it glowing internally from head to foot with some eerie orange light. It's happy smile turns sinister with the setting of the sun, and it's little molded carrot takes on the unmistakable outline of a pointy, daggery knife. Sometimes when the wind is still and you cock your head just so, you can hear the crunch-crunch of tiny quail eggs cracking. We'll need our talisman's a-strong on that fearful night. Are the tarot cards in place? - -- Mike Runion Cocoa, FL, USA "Wait a minute. Time for a Planetary Feg-In!" - Julian Cope, sorta ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:26:47 -0500 From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: who's bad? (this is long and about movies, delete at will :)) Luther opines: > ...Besides..."Glen or Glenda" was the WORST movie Eddie Wood >ever made...I *know* some of you own copies of it...what is with the >attractively chubby women whipping each other in the middle of the >movie? AND WHAT-THE-HELL! Was with the "PULL THE STRINGS!" bit? What is with anything in an Ed Wood movie? They are totally random. That is what makes them so entertaining. I almost feel very guilty laughing at his movies, sometimes, because I see him as a bit of a tragic figure. The Tim Burton movie (which I liked a lot, btw) did over-sentimentalize just a bit but this is one thing it did capture fairly well. Poor Ed. He actually wanted to be a good director, well-respected, an auteur. And I guess he is an auteur in one sense- his movies are pretty unique and very recognizable as "un film de Ed Wood". I've seen a lot of other Z-grade horror movies from the time with similar attributes like cardboard sets, bad actors, &c., and most of them aren't even really funny, they're just boring, and further you can't really say that any of the directors have a style that could be immediately recognized from film to film. Ed Wood does. Furthermore, that was supposed to be a documentary about cross-dressing, and when you think about it, that's quite a brave thing for someone to attempt at that time in history, and certainly even someone as crazy as Wood didn't think that was going to be a boffo blockbuster. So what on earth was in his mind when he made it? This alone gives it -some- interest for me, anyway. I mean, I dunno but in this age of the soulless blockbuster I find that kind of charming- the poor guy was actually -trying- to make good movies, which in my book counts for -something- anyway. I still think it's a lot better than garbage like "True Lies". At least Ed was making some effort. West, re: Edward Dmytryk: Ok, so I had forgotten about "The Caine Mutiny" and "Farewell My Lovely", which I also like a lot. Sorry about that. I was thinking of later, awful efforts like "Bluebeard". and re "Imitation of Life": Yeah, I was thinking of the glorious technicolor remake. Although they are both pretty awful the 1959 "Imitation of Life" is so glaringly, garishly awful as to defy description. I think this is why there is that camp of cineastes who will defend the director as subversive and point out various details which are supposed to be so- they just can't believe whoever made something like this could be -serious-, I guess, and I admit it's a hard swallow. re Paul Verhoeven: Well, I hate me toos, but sometimes they're called for. 100 percent agreed on all of that. Also sprach Mark Gloster, concerning "Ice Castles": I am very irritated with you. You made me remember this damn thing. I try to repress my memories of this movie because it is a source of vast irritation for me. Why, you may ask, is some stupid sappy movie with Robbie Benson and some ice-skater so traumatic for me? Well, you see, everyone else in my family adores this movie, and they like to watch it multiple times during the holidays. When it's on they all gather together around the TV and have family togetherness time, so it's an awful dilemma for me- either I go off somewhere else and read or something, and not have to sit through it for the 500th time, and make everyone else think it's actually because I'm anti-social and/or hate being around them, or I endure it stoically and count the minutes. I have actually been accused by certain family members of being heartless because I am not moved by this "movie". I'm not making this up. And to wrap it up, a question from James Dignan: I thought it was so funny that the other worst film you would mention was actually also an effort by the Feg-maligned Ken Russell. It was called "Crimes of Passon" . This had Kathleen Turner as an exec by day/hooker by night and I think also had Tom Berenger as a policeman who is attracted to her, but I don't remember that well. There were a lot of comparisons to "Body Double" at the time because they came out practically on the heels of one another and were IIRC, very similar, and both "controversial" because of nudity and similar puritan concerns. BTW, I think where you're getting the name "Blue" is that Kathleen Turner's character was an exec by day and by night a hooker named "China Blue", although it could be that it was retitled for foreign release, I dunno. Incidentally, I came across this item: I'm not making this up. It comes from the "Quick Takes" column in yesterday's "Chicago Sun-Times" (not "Mad Magazine" :)), under the subheading "'Titanic' Could Get Interesting". "Asian movie distributors have renamed 'Boogie Nights' as 'His Powerful Device Makes Him Famous', "The Full Monty' as 'Six Naked Pigs' and 'As Good As It Gets' as 'Mr. Cat Poop'". Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:35:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: big gig live webcast hi all, check this out tomorrow. robyn probably/may not be there but it's for a good cause and looks to be very cool. wish i could mudwrestle with yall some more but i'm about to hop on a train to NYC to see some good friends and some really frightening rabbit art. keep the feg. I'm glad to see Mr. Eb considers himself a feg now (otherwise, how could he be Mr Feb-edge-a-bit?) - ----------------------------------------------------------------- THE BIG GIG Saturday April 18th -Tomorrow! What? This noon to midnight event (GMT +1) features top musicians from across Sussex and beyond. Thirty bands are playing indoors and outside. The music, plugged & unplugged, includes rock, pop, indie,reggae,punk, grunge,jazz, blues, alternative & world music. The whole event will be broadcast live in RealAudio format Why? All the musicians are donating their services for free to support 'Music In mind' an organisation setup to raise funds for music therapy,using music to help people with learning difficulties. Where? Golden Martlet Hellingly East Sussex UK. Please point your web browsers at www.ecat.ac.uk/music/popmus.html We are broadcasting to the world please join us The Big Gig has been organised by Graduating students on the BTEC National Diploma in Popular Music at Eastbourne College of Arts and Technology ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:49:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Cartman's Father" Subject: Good Bad Movies and Bad Bad Movies fegs, Some of my favourite movies are intentionally bad movies. "Forbidden Planet," "Mars Attacks," and "Flash Gordon" all spring to mind. I also kind of liked Disney's "The Black Hole" with the cheesy swirley-black-hole-painted-on-glass-and-super-imposed-into-the-frame thingy. (Useless trivia--"The Black Hole" was the first Disney movie that was NOT rated G.) I can forgive a filmmaker if the movie cost $10 to make and it LOOKS like it cost $10 to make. What's unforgiveable, however, is a filmmaker who spends $100 million and turns out an utter waste of celluloid. I use the Joe Bob Briggs method of judging good bad films: breast count, body count and kung fu. Russ Meyer -- now there's a man who could make a movie! There's nothing wrong with low-budget cheesy no-plot movies. There's something seriously wrong with big-budget, over-blown cheesy no-plot movies. I don't think I can iterate my point enough... Some truly horrible films that weren't intended to be: The recent remake of "The Island Of Dr. Moureau" -- I like weird shit, but this movie went a bit too far. What was up with that little monkey man, anyway? "Mission Impossible" -- Oooh!!! Tom Cruise as a special agent! The dialogue was terrible, there were too many plots woven through the film, the "Chunnel" scene toward the end was absolute guano. My SO disagrees with me, however. She actually bought it on video cassette. "Independence Day" -- after all the hype, I was unimpressed. So predictable, so boring, so jingoistic. I could smell the ending like a fart in a car! "Pocahontas" -- Historically inaccurate, plodding, insipid soundtrack. All the things that make a horrible movie truly horrible. "On Golden Pond" -- Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.............. "The Adventures Of Baron Munchausen" -- one of my favourite directors and one of the yummiest actresses alive couldn't save this one. I tried watching it four times and fell asleep each time. "Basic Instinct" -- or, as my brother calls it, "Basically, It Stinks". 'Nuff said. "Crash" -- as with "The Island Of Dr. Moureau", weird for the sake of being weird. I watched it twice just to make sure I saw what I thought I had seen. "Return Of The Jedi" -- I know, I know...but really, did we really need to devote THAT much of the film to the Ewoks? Highlight of the film -- Carrie Fisher in that Jabba-kini. Very nice. "Bronco Billy" -- I'm usually a Clint Eastwood fan, but this movie was absolutely pointless. He may be a great actor, but he's a terrible judge of acting talent (see Locke, Sondra). Has she done any film since the two of them split? "Ghost" -- I was forced to go. She pointed a gun at the back of my head and made me buy the tickets. And popcorn, too!!! "Forrest Gump" -- another one my SO and I disagree about. The ultimate message of the film: "Ignorance breeds success. Stay stupid and you'll succeed in spite of it." There are dozens more, I'm sure, but I'm beginning to make myself sick recalling all of these banal attempts at "art" - -g- - ----------==========**********O**********==========--------- Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net "Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible." --Frank Zappa - ----------==========**********O**********==========--------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:16:27 -0400 (EDT) From: the magus Subject: having a short memory (patti griffin trade) sorry about the waste of bandwidth, but who was it on here that i traded a patti griffin dat to lately? i forgot your name and i need to get in touch with you. please respond by email... cory ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:15:00 -0500 From: Jim Moore Subject: Eb> Hey Eb, > >Give it a break. Who made you mister feg etiquette. >>- -Paul >Hey Paul,Give it a break. Who made you mister Eb etiquette. >- -Ner Hey Ner, Give it a break. Who made you mister Paul etiquette. - - - Guambat (sorry, I just couldn't resist!) }8^) I think we should continue this thread, adding names to the sentence, until either Robyn's new CD/movie comes out, or when Jesus returns, whichever one comes first. Either way, at that point we'll have something "new" to talk about. Guambat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:19:03 -0600 From: hal brandt Subject: Re: who's bad? (this is long and about movies, delete at will :)) > the other worst film you mention was > actually also an effort by the Feg-maligned Ken Russell. It was called > "Crimes of Passon" . As a fan of Ken Russell, I must implore you to only watch the Unrated Version of this film before passing judgement. The butchered R-Rated Version frequently spotted in worthless video chains like Blockbuster is virtually unwatchable. Uncut, it's Russell excess at it's finest. On the other hand, Russell totally botched the same subject matter a few years later with "Whore". Other recommended KR films: Altered States, The Devils. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:38:11 -0700 From: Jeff Cleveringa Subject: Re: Good Bad Movies and Bad Bad Movies chiming in: What ho, Fegs. I've been drawn out of lurkerdom by the following comments: >"The Adventures Of Baron Munchausen" -- one of my favourite directors and >one of the yummiest actresses alive couldn't save this one. I tried >watching it four times and fell asleep each time. Sorry, but I beg to differ. Now, granted, I realize different people have different expectations of the movies they watch, but I could never split a sandwich with anyone who doesn't think this knee-weakeningly awesome. I suppose if plot and characterization are the most important factors for you, then sure, it must seem terrible. Visually, however, few films can match it, thanks to Gilliam, the director, and the cinematographer (I can't recall his name), who apparently was Fellini's long time cinematographer. Most of the movie was filmed in Italy, with an Italian crew, and it really shows. Each object in the film, from the hot air balloon constructed of woman's undergarmets to Munchausen's ornate curli-cue mustache is bathed in a golden glow. It's freakin' terrific I tell ya; give it another shot. It does start slowly, but it has a nice rhythm which picks up the further it goes. A woman I work with described it as "Over The Top," and she possesses one of most boring, bog-standard sensibilities ever to grace the surface of the Earth; she listens to The Black Crows. The world does seem to divide itself into camps who either love or hate Gilliam films, but really, anyone receptive to Robyn should appreciate Gilliam's silly, absurdist, madman work. It'll be interesting to see whether any Fegs care for Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. I myself can't wait. >"Forrest Gump" -- another one my SO and I disagree about. The ultimate >message of the film: "Ignorance breeds success. Stay stupid and you'll >succeed in spite of it." It's not my favorite film or anything, but I liked Forrest Gump. Cripes, if you hated Munchausen you should've loved this. I take it you hate it because of the message you perceived: "Ignorance breeds success. Stay stupid and you'll succeed in spite of it." Boy, I gotta tell you, that's a terribly simplistic and somewhat jaded view. My friend Kris felt the same way. I always thought it's "message" was more along the lines of: No matter how small, insignificant, and stupid people are at times, everyone counts, everyone makes a difference, everyone has an effect upon the world, even Forrest Gump. It's a good flick. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 98 15:08:31 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Sleeping with Your Devil's Max Hal writes, > Other recommended KR films: Altered States, The >Devils. Oooh, yes! Allow me to cheep in on the side of "The Devils," which is surely one of my favorite movies of all time. This is Ken Russell at his finest -- a completely twisted look at the Inquisition and religious tolerance, libertine freethinking and the darker sexual currents in the Catholic church . . . . this film gets to me on so many levels, and seems to have something for everyone, from the surreal, almost burlesque nature of the fantasy scenes to the depth of the religious discussions. . . . oh, yeah, and it has a funky Inquisitor that looks a lot like an evil Rick Wakeman. (But not a good Carl Palmer.) But of particular interest to Fegs may be the music. It was scored by Sir Peter Maxwell Davies, once the enfant terrible of the English classical world. (Max is one of those composers who went through a youthful period of pissing off everone over 30, only to be granted a Knighthood in his golden years!) If you want to hear a VERY harrowing film score, this movie has it. And not just dissonance, although there is a lot of that -- some very weird juxtapositions, some really offbeat phrases, and some of the most unsettling chords I have ever heard. (And that includes Diamanda Galas!) True, it sounds very "modern" at times -- like Schoenberg or Alban Berg on really bad acid -- but it is *well* worth it. Um, by the way -- this is one of those movies that people either love or hate, so I really don't want to open up a new thread here. Just wanted to suggest it for those who haven't heard of it! - --Quail PS: And that Vanessa Redgrave . . . what a babe! *Especially* as a nun! PPS: Er . . . don't read too much into that. . . . - ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | Literature Site - The Libyrinth: TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth www.rpg.net/quail | Vampire Site - New York by Night: riverrun Discordian Society | www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:10:46 -0500 From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: Good Bad Movies and Bad Bad Movies >different expectations of the movies they watch, but I could never split a >sandwich with anyone who doesn't think this knee-weakeningly awesome. Remind me never to go to lunch with you :). While I can't agree it was one of the worst films I've ever seen, not by a loooong stretch (as you say, it IS, whatever its weaknesses, visually quite stunning), it didn't really strike me as knee-weakeningly awesome :). But then I seem to have this weird block about movies that are almost all spectacle, where most of the ideas are visual. I'm not being sarcastic here, I do think it is a flaw in my ability to enjoy. Partly it is about being tired of them, because they're a glut on the market these days, but in truth I never have liked this type of movie much. >suppose if plot and characterization are the most important factors for you, >then sure, it must seem terrible. Um yeah, they really pretty much are. I can deal with loose plots, if the characters are interesting and the dialogue is sharp I hardly notice them, but I get very very bored when movies have no characters in them. I'm very VERY weary of big spectacular movies with no real human dimension. If I don't care about the people, it doesn't hold my interest. But I'll not go there again this time, I've been there too many times already :). > A woman I work with described it as "Over The Top," and she possesses one of most >boring, bog-standard sensibilities ever to grace the surface of the Earth; >she listens to The Black Crows. Eh, what's the connection here? Accusing Glen of being a Black Crowes fan? If I were him I'd be upset. Them's fightin' words :). > The world does seem to divide itself into >camps who either love or hate Gilliam films, True. But films like "Brazil" and "12 Monkeys" and even "Time Bandits" are quite a bit more successful as -films- than "Baron"- they manage to combine his undeniably wonderful visual sense with more coherent narratives and a lot more human interest. "Baron" is maybe just a little too, I dunno, busy for some tastes? >It's not my favorite film or anything, but I liked Forrest Gump. Cripes, if >you hated Munchausen you should've loved this. Er, splain? Again, I'm not trying to be confrontational at all, I'm just trying to figure out what you mean by that? Because it's a bit more character based? >of the message you perceived: "Ignorance breeds success. Stay stupid and >you'll succeed in spite of it." Boy, I gotta tell you, that's a terribly >simplistic and somewhat jaded view. This is actually somewhat close to my perception, although the message I perceived was even simpler: "Dumb people good and virtuous, smart people bad and nasty". But this is really a very common cultural trope. What was really offensive about it to me is a) the way it presented television as an objective historical medium and b) the implicit message that counterculture is a bad bad thing and nothing good could come of being involved in it. >always thought it's "message" was more along the lines of: No matter how >small, insignificant, and stupid people are at times, everyone counts, Well this is a good message, and I don't at all disagree with it. And you're right, I think, that that was one of the positive things about the movie. To me this was greatly overshadowed by the negative messages that were being implicitly conveyed, but to each his own. Love on ya, Susan Other kids in grade school wanted to be firemen or astronauts. I wanted to be a movie critic. Does it show? *laugh* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:11:27 -0500 From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: who's bad? (this is long and about movies, delete at will :)) >> the other worst film you mention was >> actually also an effort by the Feg-maligned Ken Russell. It was called >> "Crimes of Passon" . > >As a fan of Ken Russell, I must implore you to only watch the Unrated >Version of this film before passing judgement. The butchered R-Rated >Version frequently spotted in worthless video chains like Blockbuster is >virtually unwatchable. Uncut, it's Russell excess at it's finest. Well, actually, I am believe it or not a FAN of Russell excess :). When he's on, he's really on. And lots of ideas are always better than no ideas, even when the results are somewhat messy- at least it's interesting then :). The problem is just that there are times when someone really ought to have told him "No, Ken. NO! DON'T DO THAT! IT'S RIDICULOUS!". The giant phallus and guillotine in "Lisztomania" come to mind. Although come to think of it, overall I really got a big kick out of that movie so it wasn't really fair to mention as a worst. I really liked the Wagnerian superhero zombie kids :), and the idea of Liszt as a messianic rock-star figure was a stroke of real insight. Your mentioning the uncut version of "Crimes of Passion" (which I haven't seen, though I'll now be on the lookout for it) reminded me of another thing I really dislike. This is when movies are edited up not for continuity purposes or other creative motives, but simply because some schmo thinks the thing is too long or because certain scenes will offend the little old ladies in Dubuque. Butchered is a good word. Consider in this vein also the unedited version of "Until The End of the World", which makes a lot more sense than the official release and is a better film altogether (though actually I seem to be virtually alone in having liked the offical release when it came out as well, even though it was so obviously chopped up you could even spot the points where huge chunks had been cut). Everyone talked at the time about how self-indulgent and wasteful that film was and how it was a 25 million dollar turkey, &c., &c., but all I'll say is Wenders did a much more imaginative film with his 25 than James Cameron did with his 200, and I'll bet if "Titanic" had flopped you'd be hearing nothing but what a waste IT was. Incidentally, I don't even particularly -like- Wim Wenders, as a rule, but I liked the official release of "Until The End of the World" so much I was willing to sit through the other, longer version. And I'm also a little offended that there's a newer, fluffier version of "Wings of Desire" now playing. Those Hollywoodians will stop at nothing! :) Aside from everything else about the whole concept that's awful, it has a serious lack of Peter Falk, and this is a real flaw because he gave the original a lot of its charm IMHO. >On the >other hand, Russell totally botched the same subject matter a few years >later with "Whore". Other recommended KR films: Altered States, The >Devils. I still have to say that my favorite is "Lair of the White Worm". Now partly this is because I really love the films that it comments on, and I really get a big kick out of, for lack of a better term, vampire comedies (when they're well-done, that is, I'm not referring to cheese-fests like "Love At First Bite"). "Vampire's Kiss" and "Fearless Vampire Killers" are favorites of mine, both somewhat interesting and very idiosyncratic explorations of what's really behind what scares us about these particular monsters. But partly it's because it makes me think that Ken really missed his calling in some respects. His style lends itself quite well to horror/comedy (quite the trendy genre these days, it seems- I think if "LWW" were released today it might do considerably better at the box office than it did then). He really has a lot of insight into the connections between the two, and not in a sort of smartass "look how postmodern we are" way like in "Scream", but a genuine emotional grasp. And honestly I think he might make some better films if he'd just lighten up a little as he did with that one. I think also that since it was in some respects meant to be a parody of classic horror films, he really had to stick to a certain structure in order to make it work, and that the results were a lot more coherent than many of his other films because of that- squeezing his huge ideas into genre frameworks more often would be good for him. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:35:32 -0400 From: Katherine Rossner Subject: lit, mostly (2% RH content, as usual) >From: M R Godwin >PS (thinks) Is Martin Carthy Scottish? English, I think. >Gosh, it's years since I read that. I associate it vaguely with 'The >Phantom Tollbooth' in atmosphere. The plot is probably influenced by 'Five >children and it', where the wishes all go slightly wrong. I wonder if it's >still available? Paperback only, last time I checked. Yes, Eager was very much influenced by Nesbit in his "magic" booksh--check out what the kids in each book are reading, and Eager's is a slightly warped version. I do recommend "Seven Day Magic" (again? sorry if so). First book to reallly scare me, as well as to teach me about self-reference. >PS If we're recommending children's books, 'The weirdstone of Brisingamen' >and its (superior) sequel 'The moon of Gomrath' have the authentic >glamour. Both by Alan Garner. Ooh, there's a sequel to "Weirdstone"? I didn't know that! (And what about "The Owl Service"? Not in the same series, to the best of my recollection, but almost as good.) **** >From: dlang >Subject: Re: Robyn Hitchcock Mr feg etiquette > >I'm afraid >that there can be no official Mr or Ms Feg etiquette until at least this >date.Unless of course you call an extraordinary meeting of the Grand >Fegcoven , which is only possible if the moon is in the sixth quadrant >and the meeting is held on the fourth Wednesday of an unevenly dated >month and the coven is composed entirely of Fegs whose bithdays all >occur on the 26th of April. Wow, I get to be part of a Fegcoven? Or is birthday not a sufficient condition? (But I won't be at the movie or concert in SF. Yes, Capuchin, of course it's all your fault.) Today from the clearance bin at a *different* record store: FEGMANIA. **** "Listen, listen, do not hasten, Enter not the Western postern, Where the ghastly cistern glistens, Lest you learn the last, worst lesson." -- Seven Day Magic Katherine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:00:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Eb