From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #144 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, April 15 1998 Volume 07 : Number 144 Today's Subjects: ----------------- a bunch of catching up [Katherine Rossner ] new address for the kid... [Jay Lyall ] Re: here we go again..... (0% RH) [sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain)] playing the piano [mbrage@surgery.bsd.uchicago.edu (Michael Brage)] Re: An introduction [sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain)] HoL [dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich)] incoherent ramblings from a spazz ["Patrick L Welker" ] House of Love [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re: incoherent ramblings from a spazz [sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadai] Two Davids ["Cartman's Father" ] Re: incoherent ramblings from a spazz [tanter ] pointless House of Love reminiscences [Danielle ] Re: An introduction [Nick Winkworth ] Re: Wilde and Wilder [M R Godwin ] Re: If you go chasing rabbits. . . . [Christopher Gross ] "this is our concern, dude." ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: here we go again..... (0% RH) [MARKEEFE ] covers [griffith ] Re: "this is our concern, dude." [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:52:06 -0400 From: Katherine Rossner Subject: a bunch of catching up >From: Nick Winkworth >Subject: Semicoatedfragilebiscuit... > >Do any of you remember reading the "Mary Poppins" books as a kid? > >I didn't. I only knew the movie. Believe me, the books are *very* >different! Ooh, yes. I loved the books (and therefore loathed the movie: saccharine and stupid). >Perhaps Demme's next movie should be a remake of Mary Poppins - true to >the book this time - with Robyn providing the music. Now *that* I'd go see! ***** >From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) >>Have you read Robertson Davies? _High Spirits_ is the book of ghost >>stories, I think. (And then there's _The Papers of Samuel Marchbanks_, for >>fogeys' delight. > >Hmmm....I've read those, and I was really unhappy. Not that they were at >all bad, mind you, it's a very good collection, but they're -comic- ghost >stories, which wasn't what I was looking for. You're right. Somehow I'd forgotten that--but of course I (almost) always prefer the comic. >Since you're a fan of an older style, you've probably >already discovered him but if you haven't I'd think Sheridan LeFanu would >be right up your alley. A very unique voice from the Victorian >subconscious, close to if not the equal of Poe in this not-so-humble >reader's opinion. Besides, Harriet Vane wrote about him, or at least planned to. IIRC. :) > I think "Mr. Popper's >Penguins", which is also wonderful, is by the same author. I'm pretty sure Travers *didn't* write "Mr. Popper's Penguins", but I can't remember the author's name at present. Will let you know some time after I get home--it's with the books in storage at present. >It was a childhood favorite of mine, along with "Half Magic" by Edward >Eager (has anyone else here ever read that?), which is also a very surreal >book, yet somehow extremely logical (as the best surrealism usually is :)). >The children in it find a magic coin that gives them -half- of whatever >they wish on it. The ways in which the coin determines what half is are >very odd and often pretty amusing. There are a couple sequels to it as I >recall but none were as good as the first one. I damn near wore that book >out with rereading :). Yes, definitely! Though I liked the sequels too. And "Seven Day Magic"--not a sequel, but also Eager--best of all. Much darker than the series. **** Thanks for all the replies on Trip Shakespeare. I got "Are You Shakespearienced?" from that bin--as I said, a sucker for cute titles--along with several other vaguely psychedelic- and/or surrealistic-looking things, which I figured I could pass along to a friend if they weren't quite right for me. So far none of it has struck me as either "just right for me" or terrible. *** >From: Carole Reichstein >Subject: San Francisco concert-goers > >...are any Pacific NW Fegs besides Eddie going to the SH movie/gig? >Just curious and living vicariously. If I'm back in SF by then, I plan to go to both. (Still dithering...there's a great folk festival happening in the Boston area 4/24-4/26, and I signed up as a volunteer when I was still planning to be on the East Coast until May or June, but then there's no way to make it back in time...so I'm not sure what I'll end up doing.) **** Umm....Happy Easter, Quail. Katherine - -- Ye knowe ek, that in forme of speche is chaunge Withinne a thousand yere, and wordes tho That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge Us thinketh hem, and yet they spake hem so. - Chaucer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:19:50 -0500 From: Jay Lyall Subject: new address for the kid... Hi Everybody So with the change of jobs in process and not knowing if I will be moving to Austin or staying here, I got a new e-mail address that will work in both...so those who need it...here it is....and for those who dont care - I understand perfectly... Cheers Jay - -- Jay Lyall lyall@swbell.net Houston, Texas "Time has little to do with infinity and jelly donuts." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:09:30 -0500 From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: here we go again..... (0% RH) >some lone psycho fuckwad with a grudge based on misreading Salinger. it gives >his growing up fatherless some sort of meaning. that's the reason conspiracy >theories exist: they are ultimately more comforting than the truth of some >lone twit wreaking so much havoc. I agree with this completely. I think it's also even more true in a case like Abbie Hoffman's- it's difficult to accept that he would in a way "betray the faith" (I don't personally feel that way, I'm just saying a lot of people probably did) by committing suicide. However, since in all three cases, there -was- quite a bit of documented history of FBI harassment/surveillance, it's not totally outlandish (as I recall from seeing a documentary on this, Strom Thurmond in particular was semi-obsessed with the idea that John Lennon was a threat to the State). It's not as if this "government conspiracy" thing was invented out of the ether and has no basis at all. And there have been cases (witness Jean Seberg) where government harassment of a celebrity figure actually -did- drive that person to suicide. I'm not saying that I believe anyone other than Mark David Chapman was responsible for Lennon's death. I don't. It's just that I don't think that - -in this case- the government conspiracy idea is completely and utterly unreasonable. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:30:30 -0500 From: mbrage@surgery.bsd.uchicago.edu (Michael Brage) Subject: playing the piano Fegs, When was the last time anyone saw Robyn play the piano? Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:34:53 -0500 From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: An introduction >Chicagofegs: Richard Davies will play free Fri at Reckless Records. Actually we have lots of good shows in the coming days (sometimes I love this town!). This feg is going to try to attend Superdrag/Apples in Stereo next Saturday, also possibly Cracker/Menthol next Friday (although John Wesley Harding/Steve Wynn will be playing next Friday and Saturday, so I'll more likely be choosing that than Cracker, depending of course on what the SO wants to do). Saturday the 18th notable Hyde Park eccentric and very clever songwriter John Huss will be having a CD release flinger at the Empty Bottle- he's always great live and a really cool guy, so get out to see him if'n you can, that is, if you're willing to miss the Old 97s at Metro :). Bah, there's too much going on around here! :) I think I even remember seeing that feglist fave Dan Bern is even playing sometime next week. I missed the Legendary Stardust Cowboy, unfortunately :(. Did anyone else go? If you did, how was it? Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:48:30 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: HoL On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:43:15 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Subject: fegSOs > >All I can say is, maybe if I'd waited for a nice Feg girl, I wouldn't be >writing so many sad songs these days... yeah, well, you mightv'e been waiting a LONG time...for some reason I can't fathom, Robyn's incredibly poppy music has a primarily male audience these days...I'm not sure why...he's not fucking Slayer or something!! Oh, thanks ya'll for the House of Love information. I have the first and second records, and love em both. -luther (who STILL has to get a check to Bayard!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:25:46 -0400 From: "Patrick L Welker" Subject: incoherent ramblings from a spazz Greetings and hallucinations!! Just thought I would post something as I = have been lurking for several weeks with only a single posting making it = to the board. Thank you woj spice(the blond with ponytails, right?) for = the info on how to post correctly. I suppose this is where I introduce = myself, well here it goes. I'm from Cleveland (insert jokes here), I'm = 26 and have only been into The Man for 'bout a year and a half. No, I = did not look upon him as the man who sang 'Balloon Man'. To me he was = the man who did 'Madonna Of The Wasp's'. Of course if I had known he was = invoved with the boys of R.E.M. I'd have stayed away. I can't stand = R.E.M. On my way home from ?(I can't remember) I decided to stop my the = record store. While I was rummaging through the used tape section, I = came across 'Eye'. That was my introduction into Robynland. I popped = that baby into the player of my truck and drove for what had to be half = the night. I never did get used to it that night. Robyns music seems to = need time to sink in before you can understan what's going on. Longer if = you want to understand the lyrics(which I'm still having a helluva' time = doing). He is so extremely personnal, you've almost gotta' know him = personnally. My faves' are his acoustic stuff. 'Eye' is still tops! = 'IODOT' and You and Oblivion' come in close though. Anyhoo', I've never = seen him live, but as each day passes the anticipation builds. >I was wondering if any of you knew about a band called "house of love"....... The House Of Love kicked butt! The best album they put out was their = first (of two that I know of) self-titled. Released in '88 on = Reletivity-Creation. Thank JH3 for the info on the new cd, I haven't = ordered it just yet. I'm waiting for the E.P. release to pick 'em both = up in one shot. I've rambled on enough for now. 'TA-'TA. Heruka. =20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:07:24 EDT From: MARKEEFE Subject: Re: The 3 Robyns (no Neutral Milk Hotel content) Well, I wouldn't say that I liked his Soft Boys material best (I really only like "Underwater Moonlight", and that's somewhere in the middle of my list of favorite RH albums). The records he's put out under just his own name have been uneven over the years. So, on the average, I'd have to vote for the RH & Egyptians stuff as my favorite incarnation, I suppose, although "Perspex" causes hesitation. For me, really, it's more a record-by-record sort of thing, rather than thinking that one type of Robyn is *necessarily* better than any other. I officially abstain from voting, then, I suppose. - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:11:54 EDT From: MARKEEFE Subject: Re: When Robyn's old In a message dated 98-04-13 23:38:19 EDT, you write: << Ticketmaster has tickets for Robyn Hitchcock at The Point in Atlanta, Georgia on January 1, 2039. Man, I'm getting mine now. There's going to be a big run on these things October 27, 2028 when everyone wakes up alive. >> "When"?! You mean "if", man, "if". It's all a big conspiracy, man. We're all gonna be splattered to smithereens and Robyn's Rockin' New Years in 2039 will be the last of our concerns as we try to rebuild this once great civili. . . well, then again, a good concert would be a nice break from all that tedious rebuilding. . . okay, Jeme, I'm with you. Let's start planning the Feg Survivor's Party today! - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:47:10 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: House of Love I thought I'd say a big cheesy Greetings salutations and welcome to West the TMBG fan and also ask whether retsolG kraM is related to the middle distance athlete stevE kraM. And then along comes this: > I was wondering if any of you knew about a band called "house >of love". They were around in Robyns late 80's/early 90's commercial >heyday, and also had a definate Syd Barrett influence. They had a >'hit' of sorts called "i don't know why i love you", off a self-titled >album that has the sort of production PI shouldv'e had. > Anyone know where they came from/where they went? yes, House of Love were a British band, who put out albums called (IIRC) House of Love, (A spy in the) House of Love, House of Love, Babe Rainbow, and Audience with the Mind. The song you refer to is off one of the two "House of Love" albums (often called "Butterfly" because of its cover art, although I think it's less confusing to simply call all their albums "House of Love". In case you're wondering, I think they changed label between the first two albums, and hence the name similarity). I can remember thinking it was a new Chills single when it first came out (yeah, I know, I know, but they did later cover a Chills song as a single B-side IIRC). Had sopme other good songs too, such as "32nd Floor", "Never", "Se dest", "So cruel", and "Shine On". I think they called it quits after the fairly unexceptional "Audience" about five years back. I'd recommend the Butterfly album ("House of Love", on Fontana) and "Babe Rainbow" - the others are less necessary. James ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:48:21 -0500 From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: incoherent ramblings from a spazz >doing). He is so extremely personnal, you've almost gotta' know him = >personnally. I'm glad someone else remarked on this, because I've really noticed it too. I think for a true appreciation of Robyn you really pretty much have to make the effort to know him. But then now that I think about it, this is true of most really good songwriters. IMHO, anyway. Still, he really does remind me of Dylan in this one sense- they are the only two writers I can think of offhand (I'm sure others can think of more, as I said, this is offhand) that throughout their body of work basically have created their own world(s) and iconography that you need to dive into before you really appreciate fully what they're on about. >My faves' are his acoustic stuff. 'Eye' is still tops! = Another "Eye" fan! WOO! Our ranks are growing. The takeover is imminent :). Love on ya, Susan P.S. About the three Robyns: brilliant, brilliant, and brilliant. Thank you on behalf of the group and ourselves and I hope we passed the audition. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:23:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Cartman's Father" Subject: Two Davids fegs, Sorry to do this to the whole list, but: David "Luther" Dudich and David "Alcoa" Baker, please contact me privately about impending tape trades. I know I owe you guys tapes, but I can't remember what they are. Also, I need your addresses in order to mail the aforementioned tapes. - -g- - ----------==========**********O**********==========--------- Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net "Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible." --Frank Zappa - ----------==========**********O**********==========--------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:07:44 -0400 From: tanter Subject: Re: incoherent ramblings from a spazz At 09:48 PM 4/14/1998 -0500, you wrote: > >>doing). He is so extremely personnal, you've almost gotta' know him = >>personnally. > >I'm glad someone else remarked on this, because I've really noticed it too. >I think for a true appreciation of Robyn you really pretty much have to make >the effort to know him. Not to be pedantic, but who among us really does know him? Look at the conversations various members of this listserv have had with him. Look at the way he answered the chat questions. I don't think any of us knows him all that well. He's slightly mad and it's almost impossible for us to break through his protective shell. Every once in a while he's serious and gives a decent answer to a question, but most of the time he's resistant to letting strangers in to his world. We don't know how many of his songs are really autobiographical and how many are just pissing around. I suppose that when Susan says "make the effort" it's not the same as "get to know him," but I had to say all this because I'm still annoyed about the chat! Marcy Happy Tax Day everyone! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:29:41 -0700 From: Danielle Subject: pointless House of Love reminiscences John wrote: > HOL broke up at least 3-4 years ago, I think. They never really sold many > records outside of the UK, AFAIK. Wow. The House of Love. I don't know how many records they sold down here, but in 1991, when I was sixteen, my friend Dawn dubbed me the Sugarcubes, the JPS Experience, the Sundays, and the House of Love. The first three stood the test of time with me and the latter kinda didn't... but I must say, you've all caused something to rise within me - - a burning desire to hear 'she-she-she-shine on' and 'the Beatles and the Stones/sucked the marrow out of bones' again. Is this healthy? Danielle, who will be sure to keep any rodent obsessions to herself the next time Quail visits Auckland ;) PS Thanks for the congrats, James. Now all I have to do is move to America. Yikes. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:49:34 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth Subject: Re: An introduction Welcome to the madhouse, West. > although as yet I have no tape to swap [...] I would also like to add > that I have a MiniDisc player/recorder, so if any swappers have access > to MDs, that would be swell. Andy added: > I was wondering this the other day. How many MD users are out there > in fegland? I also got started with live tapes only recently, and it was MDs wot made me do it guv'. I got involved with the last couple of tape trees on the Feglist and was one of those instrumental in starting an MD branch - we only got four or five, but I have since seen several posts from new MD owners like yourselves. It does seem to be catching on -- finally! If anyone reading this has no idea what we're talking about, http://www.minidisc.org will explain all. ~N PS There have been some *great* posts in the past few days. Sad to say, I was too busy to say anything at the time, but if you contributed recently, consider yourself praised! Hell, consider yourself praised even if you didn't, for having being smart enough to subscribe to this list. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:43:11 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Wilde and Wilder On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, James Dignan wrote: > haven't seen it yet, but the rumours I've heard are that Stephen Fry is > excellently cast, but the script doesn't live up to the promise. I don't > know who the scriptwriter is, but Wilde he ain't. Well, Fry is better than I expected, but the film is so low-key that you would never _guess_ that the guy had a sense of humour, let alone that he was a brilliant and witty conversationalist. - - Mike Godwin PS I thought Peter's Friends, the last Stephen Fry film I went to, was just about the worst film I've ever seen. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:02:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: If you go chasing rabbits. . . . It's worth noting that the Quail's leporaphobia is no recent phenomenon. The Quail (and I) have a friend named Scott, who now lives in California but lived near Quail House a couple of years ago. Scott had a pet rabbit, named Oreo if I recall correctly, which was allowed to roam free around the apartment. The first time Quail went over to Scott's place while the rabbit was out if its cage, Oreo merrily hopped up to the Quail ... and the Quail instantly backed away and jumped up on a chair. I just thought that sharing little anecdote would be appropriate now. - --Chris PS: I saw Dan Bern on Saturday. Great show! PPS: Hmm, wonder if there are any of those Easter eggs left.... ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:37:37 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: So I was thinking. Wheatsworth...the perfect cracker to make your favorite meals and snacks taste even better. Wheatsworth is a blend of high quality ingredients that adds to your eating enjoyment every day! Wheatsworth...the perfect cracker that's even delicious all by itself. 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(The quick and easy recipe is printed inside this package.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:50:17 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: "this is our concern, dude." not only would live egyptians be my favorite aspect of robyn, but, i'd even go so far as to say...for example, let's suppose we're in the middle of another red scare --ok, i know that's basically what the war on drugs is, but never mind that-- let's say they're rounding up all the dissidents and blowing our brains out. and we get one last request, presumably. mine would be that the egyptians reform for just one more gig. and, of course, that i get to watch it. well, eb saw --when he wasn't busy schmoozing with his waiter buddy-- jon brion playing the piano at a robyn gig in november. and a few fegs saw him play the drums, which maybe tops it all. did robyn play piano on any of those largo gigs? andy played piano during egyptians shows. so, i'm guessing that it may have been since the EYE tour that robyn himself has played piano live. bayard? lobstie? everyone keeps saying this, but it just isn't true. it always amazes me how open, witty, friendly, thoughtful, funny, charming, etc. robyn is not only in interviews, but in speaking to his fans. i've had the pleasure to chat with him very briefly twice, and he was this way both times. many other fegs will say the same. hell, marcy, you told a similar story just a few days ago! yeah, the chat was kind of a letdown. but i'm chalking that up to the nature of the medium. robyn is a friendly guy! it might be fun to compile a series of tapes of all his radio interviews, excising the songs, of course. let me just remind us all that the only way to prevent 50% of your tax dollars from going straight to the military is by NOT PAYING. ok, neutral milk hotel was INCREDIBLE last night. i see what all the fuss is about. i even got the cd finally, 'cause it was only ten bucks at the show. the guy playing the saw reminded me, natch, of the last scene from Delicatessen, and now i've got a big craving to see the movie again. but i'm afraid i don't hear the robyn connection. the album cover is robynesque enough. and the lyrics could be, i suppose, except that i couldn't make out more than about three of the words. one song was apparently about all the worms flying around when the earth loses its gravity. but musically, they're a lot closer to husker du than they are to robyn, as near as i can tell. actually, they reminded me more of sunny day real estate than anything. in fact, i'd LOVE to see neutral milk hotel tour with sunny day real estate. (but what i'd *really* love is to see robyn tour with dan bern!) eb, when you say that all fegs would really dig neutral milk hotel, do you say that simply because you think we have such fine taste in music? (the "any-list-with-no-less-than-three-big-time-tool-fans-is-ok-in- eb's-book!" rule, i believe it's called.) "The Dude abides"...I don't know about you, but i take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there, "The Dude," takin' 'er easy for all us sinners. Shesh...I sure hope he makes the finals. --The Stranger ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:06:50 EDT From: MARKEEFE Subject: Re: here we go again..... (0% RH) In a message dated 98-04-14 01:51:49 EDT, Karmafuzzz wrote: << that's the reason conspiracy theories exist: they are ultimately more comforting than the truth of some lone twit wreaking so much havoc. >> You really think so?! Wow. It's *much* more comforting for me to think that there is a very small percentage of the population that's just plain randomly nuts, rather than believing that the entire government is "out to get us". I mean, if I had my choice of only one of those being true (rather than both of them being true?), I'd choose the handful of lone psychos. Your odds are way better that way. Poor Sean. But I guess he's at that age where one is prone to getting all fired up about conspiracy theories and what's evil about the world, regardless of whether or not we've had one of our parents shot by a loon. - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:32:07 -0700 (PDT) From: griffith Subject: covers Does any feg or fegs have a list of songs that Robyn has covered live? I've been listening to the UH 3 & 4 lately, and was amazed by his interpretations of songs. Just how many Dylan songs has he performed? griffith = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Griffith Davies hbrtv219@csun.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:02:05 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: "this is our concern, dude." > >well, eb saw --when he wasn't busy schmoozing with his waiter buddy-- >jon brion playing the piano at a robyn gig in november. and a few fegs >saw him play the drums, which maybe tops it all. did robyn play piano >on any of those largo gigs? Robyn didn't play piano at the Largo show which I saw, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, Brion did, but that's not really the point, is it? And yeah, I saw RH play drums. Wacky and fun, but I'd certainly swap that for seeing a full RH piano gig. >the guy playing the saw reminded me, natch, of the last >scene from Delicatessen, and now i've got a big craving to see the movie >again. That's Julian something-or-other. He has been in several other bands, some of them still active: Chocolate USA, The Music Tapes, The Olivia Tremor Control.... >but musically, [NMH] are a lot closer to husker du than they are >to robyn, as near as i can tell. Sheeesh. >eb, when you say that all fegs would really dig neutral milk hotel, do >you say that simply because you think we have such fine taste in music? No, I think there's a strong RH/NMH conceptual overlap...European folk roots, surreal storytelling, melodic but eccentric, etc. And the fact that so many folks on this list like the album proves my point, I believe. Eb, who REALLY should get a thank-you on the next NMH album for all the In The Aeroplane sales he's responsible for ;) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #144 *******************************