From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #136 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, April 8 1998 Volume 07 : Number 136 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Feg game - the rules (tentative) ["Chris, the missing years." ] Tammy too? [Eb ] Off topic: The Nails ["Cartman's Father" ] Re: Off topic: The Nails ["Cartman's Father" ] Strange Angels [John Barrington Jones ] What a great day on the fegmaniax list! [John Barrington Jones ] Musing [Danielle ] Its spreading ..... [dlang ] Tapes, Feg Game, King of Carrot Flowers [Mike Runion ] alert- the most EVIL day of ALL! [lj lindhurst ] Death Comes In Threes [Rich Plumb ] Re: The demise of Lev Bronstein [Ross Overbury ] forgot to say... [tanter ] Re: Death Comes In Threes [M R Godwin ] Re: Tammy too? [Ner ] Re: Jonathon Richman [Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer ] re: Kristen Hersh [griffith ] Re: Tapes, Feg Game, King of Carrot Flowers [nicastr@idt.net (Ben)] SMOE.ORG LIST MEMBERS PLEASE READ: fund raiser to keep smoe.org running :-) [Mike Connell Subject: Re: Feg game - the rules (tentative) On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, James Dignan wrote: > Object: The object of the game is to be the first player to get to the > Kingdom of Love with a cone. You all right done there James??!? And I thought I did not get out enough. Oi vey! And this is coming from one of those psychology types. .chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 22:53:12 -0400 From: Ner Subject: Re: Museworks also sprach Eb: > I will say this: I really don't understand why one would recommend The Real > Ramona so highly. woj spice wrote: > well, two songs make that album great for me: the mind-numbingly amazing > "not too soon" and "hook in her head". hmmm, "two step" is also pretty damn > great, expecially live. overall, though, i think it's a very listenable > album, not only because it's more "accessible" than the others, but because > the other songs are quite strong too. it certainly is a better introductory > album, unlike, say, the first, which is probably also my favorite, though > _house tornado_ is close on its heels. I'm in total agreement with ya, woj. Although I think the production on "The Real Ramona" is pretty abysmal some of the songs are gems and they still shine through. The only reason I'd recommend this album as a first purchase is because I think it's more accessible than alot of their stuff - and only because the first album is still only available on import. Anyone who's never heard that first Throwing Muses album - seek it out - I don't think you'll be disappointed. - -Ner, can't stop listening to "This is Hardcore" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:50:41 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Tammy too? Too much death. Eb np: Lou Reed/Berlin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 23:41:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Cartman's Father" Subject: Off topic: The Nails fegs, Sorry to post off topic, but does anyone remember the band called The Nails? When were they around? What was their hit? I seem to remember that band name associated with some sort of novelty tune in the mid-80s. Am I incorrect? Thanks, - -g- - ----------==========**********O**********==========--------- Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net "Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible." --Frank Zappa - ----------==========**********O**********==========--------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 23:46:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Cartman's Father" Subject: Re: Off topic: The Nails On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, Cartman's Father wrote: > Sorry to post off topic, but does anyone remember the band called The > Nails? I can't believe this brain fart of mine -- They did the song "88 Lines About 44 Women." DUH!!! Back into hibernation, - -g- - ----------==========**********O**********==========--------- Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net "Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible." --Frank Zappa - ----------==========**********O**********==========--------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:13:10 -0700 From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Strange Angels >>I was really disappointed with Strange Angels -- I was >>hoping for much more, given the wonders of Hips & Makers. > >word on the street is that it develops with time. i've listened to -- well, >*heard* -- it a couple times and it seems very non-distinctive to my ears. >what i really need to do is take it out to the car and listen to it there >when i can't be distracted. Okay, here's what you have to do with the Strange Angels Cd: Don't play it much when you first get it. Listen to it once or twice through. Then put it away. A month later, pull it out, listen to a song or two. Put it away. Come back to it again. This works. I was disappointed upon first listen. But damned if it isn't growing on me! I just listened to it this week after putting it away for like 3 weeks. Good stuff. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + John B. Jones lobstie@e-z.net "When I was two I saw white things hanging in the sky, like slow explosions. "What's that?" I asked. "Clouds," I was told. Instantly they became duller." -Robyn Hitchcock + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:40:52 -0700 From: John Barrington Jones Subject: What a great day on the fegmaniax list! I had a phenomenal day reading posts all about my second favorite musical act: Throwing Muses. Thank you so much to all of you for talking about them. MY TOP 5 MUSES PICKS: 1. House Tornado UK import with Fat Skier tracks appended 2. "Firepile" UK import EPs. There are two of these. The package design alone is worth the money. Beautiful 4AD design. And the songs are incredible: City of The Dead, Manic Depression, Jak, Handsome Woman. 3. KH Hips and Makers. 4. First album 5. Tie between Limbo and University. How about pick the best tracks from each, and compile an album, and use the production values from University for it? Now that would be an album!! John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:08:45 +0100 From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: mucky mcalpine? >>>>> "M" == M R Godwin writes: M> I assume that the whole party has fallen apart, in which case M> McAlpine is probably back with the Tories by now. The Referendum Party went into liquidation some months ago. I used to work for McAlpine's, the construction company that got them their money. The times I met family members, the word 'gits' always came to mind. Mucky the Pig I always think as rather cuddly, so please don't link 'em, for the Macs weren't. - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:26:35 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Seth - Etyay anotheray ellingspay I just remembered that Eddie mentioned this interesting translation into Pig Latin, in which Seth is spelt 'Eth-say'. From the Ookbay of Enesisgay at http://www.well.com/user/earl/Ible-bay.html: 4:25 And-ay Adam-ay ew-knay is-hay ife-way again-ay; and-ay e- shay are-bay a-ay on-say, and-ay alled-cay is-hay ame-nay Eth-say: Or-fay Od-gay, aid-say e-shay, ath-hay appointed-ay e-may another- ay eed-say instead-ay of-ay Abel-ay, om-whay Ain-cay ew-slay. - - MRG PS I note that they only called his _name_ Eth-say - I suppose he might have been called something quite different... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 00:17:39 -0700 From: Danielle Subject: Musing lj wrote: > I have to throw my hat in the ring here on this one too; "Hips and Makers" > is an amazing piece of music. Very stark and disturbing, and she sings > with a crazy conviction, really belting them out. This is one of my > all-time favorite records. I've heard she was painfully shy in concert- > has anyone ever seen her? I saw the Muses twice, and I saw that solo acoustic Hips and Makers tour, in a 300-person theatre. That was lovely. She seemed nervy, but in a good way - she was charming and *very* funny, telling lots of stories. (She told that one about Dylan's rivalry with her acoustic in Auckland, too, Sean. She nearly made me wet myself, a number of times. :)) On the 'stark and disturbing' thing: I remember her saying that she did some songs in front of a very small audience somewhere, and they were taking her *very* seriously. Just as she got to the line 'this haircut's truly evil, I'm not sure it's mine', a woman in the audience burst into loud sobs. Kristin said she didn't think her 'do was *that* bad. ;) Eb wrote: > I'd rank the releases loosely as follows. > 5. Red Heaven > 6. Star (Belly) > 7. University > 12. King (Belly) > 13. The Real Ramona > 14. Strange Angels (Kristin Hersh) > 15. Limbo Oh, *urgh*. Eb, I'm *sure* we've had this discussion before, and I can only ever make you reconsider things after extensive emoticon-and-insult-laden battles (mostly not even then), but hell, while I'm here, why not? Yes, I can deal (barely) with Star ahead of University, but ranking the underwhelming King *above* Real Ramona is just the last straw. As for your Ramona-specific comments, I'm saying a big 'me too' to Woj. 'Not Too Soon' makes me bop around the room precisely *because* of the big fat 'Timbuk 3' drums, and 'Two Step' is far too pretty a song to be slandered with the label 'stunted'. Piffle. Dig out those damn albums again, and listen *right* this time, you great noddy. ;) But: > After all, could ANY song be more appropriate (both > musically and lyrically) for the Muses to cover than Hendrix's "Manic > Depression"? Yeah, I'll go with you there. Stonking great live opener, too. :) Danielle (once again catching up on digests from ages ago, and wanting to beg that Dignan chap not to arrange *any* feg gathering in Southland, since I spent two weeks in Invercargill over Christmas and was mind-numbingly bored for most of my stay. Call me J.A.F.A. if you must, James. I can take it. ;)) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 22:03:16 +2910 From: dlang Subject: Its spreading ..... "Oops, that should be a covey of quails. Knew it was something small and cunning, anyway..". Christopher R Coolidge Fellow Fegs I just picked this disturbing post off the R Thompson list and its not from anyone who posts on this list! I know that a number of us do post to the Rt list, but I do not remember any of us mentioning the Quail on that august convocation.I can understand perhaps a reference to Quails, but the description ...... Honestly , the Quail influence is worse than I thought! I advise all Friends of Feg to don their costumes immediately and project positive thoughts Quailwise, mayhap it is not too late to prevent his world domination ( but I fear otherwise.......) Yours in trepidation Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:34:06 -0700 From: Mike Runion Subject: Tapes, Feg Game, King of Carrot Flowers Hey all, I spent a few hours last night trying to make some Robyn comp tapes for a friend that will be accompanying me to the FegFest. He's got Uncorrected-The Album, and has heard GOF. I never realized how incredibly hard it is to condense Robyn down to just a tape or two. I've got an "oddities" side ("Happy TGP", "Statue...", "We Like Bananas", etc), and an acoustic side (stuff from Eye, IODOT, etc). Tonight I'll throw together a "hits" sorta tape. Really tough though...just too much great stuff that soars here on the feglist but is hopelessly forgotten or non-existent outside in the real world. Question about "I Something You": The CD single version released in the UK, does it contain the talking before the song that's on the 7"? (Presumably Robyn finishing up a conversation about first meeting Peter Buck, then saying "Ok, I Something You, Take 1"? I was taping my 7" last night, and since I don't have one of those fitted-hole things that makes the 45 fit nicely on a record player, I have to guess at it and use my thumbs to try and get the thing centered. Inevitably, it's never right, and as the song winds on, the rhythmic change of speed starts to make me nauseous. Does anyone else have this problem? On the Feg game: Great piece of work, James. But hey, the party is still 1.5 months away (unless you guys are really really on a different time schedule down there!), so whatever you sent could conceivably get here in plenty of time. NMH's "King Of Carrot Flowers" F Gm F C Fsus, then F C Fsus through most of the lines, varying with C Fsus F. (Fsus is 113311 I think) np. Sue Garner - To Run More Smoothly - -- Mike Runion Cocoa, FL, USA "Wait a minute. Time for a East Coast Feg-In!" - Julian Cope, sorta ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:01:14 -0400 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Fwd: More fun with commercials! >From: Bayard >"What color do you dream in?" of course uses the Orb's "Fluffy Little >Clouds". I need confirmation that the sample is Joni Mitchell. Nope. The vocal sample was taken from an interview with Ricki Lee Jones. Evidently she sued the Orb for using it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:24:30 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: alert- the most EVIL day of ALL! my counter intelligence sources in Quaildom have informed me that today is the birthday of none other than THE GREAT QUAIL!! hail, hail <-------as Eddie Vedder would say. ...so be on the lookout for unexpected lightning lobs, spontaneous Bono eruptions, and dangerously nonsensical long-winded prose. - -and happy birthday, oh Sinister One....! I've got a nice bag of rice here for your present. lj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:41:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Rich Plumb Subject: Death Comes In Threes After hearing the tragic news about Rob I knew it was just the beginning. Alas the 3 are already here. We get Cozy Powell in an auto wreck in England and Tammy Wynette from one of her many ailments. I think I'll put on Circle Jerks "Golden Shower of Hits" which is the only thing I've got with any content from the these 3. rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 98 9:55:32 EDT From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: The demise of Lev Bronstein > > seems that I have confused people with the subject line "whatever happened > to Leon Trotsky?". It was not a question so much as a lyric from the > Stranglers song 'No miore heroes'. The next line is "He got an icepick that > made his ears burn". Absolutely charming :) > > James > > So *that's* what all that was about! You're referring to the very song that drove me from the Stranglers for a while. I simply could not believe someone would have the gall to rhyme "heroes" with "Shakespearos"! Cringing even now, - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 10:02:26 -0400 From: tanter Subject: forgot to say... n.p. London 0, Hull 4 by the Housemartins. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:23:50 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Death Comes In Threes On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Rich Plumb wrote: > After hearing the tragic news about Rob I knew it was just the beginning. > Alas the 3 are already here. We get Cozy Powell in an auto wreck in > England and Tammy Wynette from one of her many ailments. This is really bad news for old Peter Green fans like me, as Cozy had recently put together a backing band - The Splinter Group - to get Peter back to performing. I saw them a couple of times, and Cozy Powell was playing excellent r'n'b drums in a surprisingly self-effacing way. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 10:31:43 -0400 From: Ner Subject: Re: Tammy too? Eb wrote: > Too much death. > > np: Lou Reed/Berlin The music fits the message pretty appropriately. Think I'll listen to "Berlin" at work today. - -Ner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 15:58:02 +0100 From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: Jonathon Richman >>>>> "MARKEEFE" == MARKEEFE writes: MARKEEFE> Saw him last night here in Portland. Great show! He is truly a star; I think his show in King Tut's, Glasgow early '97 is probably the best gig I've ever been to. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 12:04:54 -0400 From: Scary Mary Subject: Designers Wanted (0% RH content) Hiya fellow fegs - My company is looking for a couple senior designers so I thought I'd send a call out to all of you. We are located in the Washington DC area - you can view the current classified ad at the following url: http://www.junglee.com/twp/viewFullText.html?passkey=13305 Please excuse the language, I don't know who wrote the ad but it seems a bit over the top to me. Our website is: http://www.iconixmedia.com Scary Mary ps - you get to listen to lots and lots of good music here n/p Joy Division ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:31:24 -0700 (PDT) From: griffith Subject: re: Kristen Hersh BTW, She did the music to a film that a friend of mine was in. The movie is called "Never Met Picasso". The main stars of the film are Alexis Arquette and Margot Kidder. I saw a rough edit version of it on video about a year ago. The music was just incidental, no songs. I don't believe the film has found a distributor yet. griffith = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Griffith Davies hbrtv219@csun.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:02:35 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: Tapes, Feg Game, King of Carrot Flowers >Question about "I Something You": >The CD single version released in the UK, does it contain the talking >before the song that's on the 7"? (Presumably Robyn finishing up a >conversation about first meeting Peter Buck, then saying "Ok, I Something >You, Take 1"? I was taping my 7" last night, and since I don't have one >of those fitted-hole things that makes the 45 fit nicely on a record >player, I have to guess at it and use my thumbs to try and get the thing >centered. Inevitably, it's never right, and as the song winds on, the >rhythmic change of speed starts to make me nauseous. Does anyone else >have this problem? No, oddly enough the UK CD just starts in with the song. I also never understood why this was released with the live "My Wife & My Dead Wife" as the first track, and the title of the single! If you can't find one of the litle plastic things that go in 45's, you can make one by tracing the hole on the record on to something fairly solid like plastic, then cut it out and put a hole of the right size directly in the middle so you can fit in on your turntable. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 23:40:36 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: SMOE.ORG LIST MEMBERS PLEASE READ: fund raiser to keep smoe.org running :-) Hello everyone on the Robyn Hitchcock mailing list :-) Some of you may know me, many don't. My name is Mike Connell and I manage the Jewel and Patty Griffin lists here at smoe.org. My purpose for writing you today is to ask for your assistance in a project/fund raiser to help keep smoe.org up and running for many more years to come. 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I thank you all in advance :-) Mike "Once a bell ringer, always a bell ringer" Connell :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:07:16 -0700 From: dsaunder@islandnet.com (Daniel Saunders) Subject: Yo La Tengo/Soft Boys connection I heard a rumour that when advertising for additional members to Yo La Tengo, the ad said "must like the Soft Boys". I was wondering, Yo La Tengo plays lots of covers, have they covered any RH tunes? - -- Daniel Saunders Reality is that which when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away. - Philip K. Dick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:07:16 -0700 From: dsaunder@islandnet.com (Daniel Saunders) Subject: OT: Throwing Muses: reissue & thanks > All that will change in August 1998 when Throwing Muses and Rykodisc > reissue the first album "throwing muses". The reissue will be a 2-cd, and > will include chains changed ep, the 1985 demo tape, and some 1983 demos > (but unfortunately not the originals--they rerecorded the songs in 1996) Thanks to everyone who helped me out with recommendations. If you were wondering, I got the Real Ramona suggestion from Rough Guide to Music, the same place that suggests Peggy Suicide is Julian Cope's "masterpiece". :) If the reissue of their debut becomes available in my part of the world, I think I'll wait for it as my first TM purchase. Accessible? Pah! I have faced the might of Trout Mask Replica, A Fierce Pancake, and OK Computer! I know no fear! - -- Daniel Saunders Reality is that which when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away. - Philip K. Dick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:28:09 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: dreams and reaching for the headphones >pss. Dreamt of trains last night. Trains and beach houses >and a crazy woman. Hmmmmmmmm. meanwhile I dreamt I was a policeman working in an empty house. Only later it turned out I was really Susan Hampshire. It was quite a strange dream, but I did solve a murder (the janitor did it) and, as I'm always willing to help with class surveys... >age: 34 >1. How many hours a day do you spend on the Internet? usually 1-2 hours, though quite often less than that >2. The Canadian government has your best interests in mind when it makes a >decision that affects you. > >How much do you agree this statement? um... I don't think this applies to me. Make it "The New Zealand government" and I'd go for (d) - not at all! >3. Did you vote in the last election? yes >4. Do you believe in Democracy? yes (and surgery - and that's a fact). The trouble with it is that both western democracy and communism are great theories that rarely work properly in practice. hope that helps, James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #136 *******************************