From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #132 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, April 4 1998 Volume 07 : Number 132 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Hello ["Cartman's Father" ] pick/handle (0% RDA RH) [Jeff Rosedale ] Re: Hello, Peppers [donald andrew snyder ] Tape Trading, Producers blah blah blah [Nick Winkworth ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #131 [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Di] Re: Confused apology [woj spice ] robyn game [dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich)] Re: Hello [KarmaFuzzz ] Jonathon Richman [MARKEEFE ] Robyn in SF tickets ["chris franz" ] Robyn in SF April 29 ["chris franz" ] Re: nmh ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: Eh [Ner ] the NMH album [Eb ] Re: music questions [Ner ] Re: Guest vocals (Warning - no RH, just Pulp content) [Ner ] Re: Guest vocals (Warning - no RH, just Pulp content) [sdodge@midway.uchi] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:51:35 -0800 (PST) From: "Cartman's Father" Subject: Re: Hello On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Ross Overbury wrote: > Date: Fri, 3 Apr 98 17:00:57 EST > From: Ross Overbury > To: ljl@echonyc.com > Cc: the puppet motel > Subject: Re: Hello > > > > > >> > > >> At 03:35 PM 4/3/98 EST, you wrote: > > >> > > >> >> Hello fellow Fegs! Just testing if I got this right. > > >> >> > > >> >> Sincerely, > > >> >> Heruka > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> >What's a feg? > > >> > > >> Kinda like a Pepper, not quite a Deadhead. Sorta like a Trekkie, only > > >> without all the alien language baggage and funny makeup. > > > > > >Trekkies and Deadheads are too narrowly focused. We're a breakaway > > >sect of Peppers. > > > > > > > who's Jeff? > > > > > > Kinda like Dr. Sticky, not quite Reg. Sorta like Mark Gloster, but > with more strings on his stick. > > > -- > Ross Overbury > Montreal, Quebec, Canada > email: rosso@cn.ca > It doesn't feel much like a shark without a gloster, it doesn't feel much like a stick without an overbury... - -g- - ----------==========**********O**********==========--------- Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net "Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible." --Frank Zappa - ----------==========**********O**********==========--------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 98 17:51:31 EST From: Jeff Rosedale Subject: pick/handle (0% RDA RH) More proof you can find anything on the Web if you're foolish enough to look. Incredible how much one person can forget in a lifetime. How did Leon Trotsky die? 1.No one knows -- he disappeared after being convicted in his 1937 trial 2.Caviar poisoned by political enemies on a train in Siberia in 1938 3.Shot, probably by accident by his own bodyguard, during a diplomatic visit to Turkey in 1935 4.Torn apart and eaten by dogs while in exile in Palestine, 1937 5.Icepick in the skull by a Spanish GPU agent in Mexico City in 1940 Correct Answer:Icepick in the skull by a Spanish GPU agent in Mexico City in 1940 Explanation: Lev Davidovitch Bronstein, aka Trotsky, died Aug. 21, 1940 after surviving several assassination attempts since his exile from the Soviet Union, including an unsuccessful raid on his house by several gunmen hours before he was killed. --Jeff (who tries not to post off-topic too often) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:14:04 -0600 (CST) From: donald andrew snyder Subject: Re: Hello, Peppers All this talk of Peppers makes me think that Neutral Milk are very Sgt. Pepper, particularly the horn sections. Listen to "Good Morning.." My other musical thought right now is that I would like Eye a lot more if it were produced like this new Richard Davies disk. - -Andy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 17:57:53 -0800 From: Nick Winkworth Subject: Tape Trading, Producers blah blah blah Jason noted: > I've only recently gotten "into" tape trading, myself I find myself in the same boat - and agreeing with many of his comments. Like Jason, it was the purchase of a digital recording device (MD) which got me started. (I *hate* tape hiss!) Now, to link this with the "producers" debate, one of the artists who's live tapes I have found worthwhile is Dan Bern, for the simple reason that the guy writes about a song a day (more than could ever be committed to CD), tours relentlessly and changes his set every time he plays. I have listened to some of the tracks on his new CD "50 Eggs" (unfortunately I was unable to buy my own copy because a certain M Gloster bought the last copy in the store. I am not making this up.) and was very disappointed with what I heard, compared with the live versions. At first listen at least (and perhaps repeated exposure will change my mind) I found all the aggression and impact of the songs diluted by studio slush. (Ani DiFranco is the responsible party, in this case, BTW). This is one time I'm really glad I have the live tapes. I have heard similar comments about certain Robyn songs where the listener did not like the production. ************ Re NMH: I have now read several good reviews (not counting comments from this list) so I find it surprising that I have not encountered a copy "in the flesh" as t'were. Is this some sort of conspiracy - or is the label just not doing their job? Jason crackled: > I recently explored the NMH webpage, and checked out a few > soundfiles there. I wasn't that impressed, mainly because the files > were of such poor quality The joys of "Real Audio" I'm afraid. I had a similar experience. The descriptions in the reviews are interesting enough that I may risk my hard earned cash - assuming I ever find a copy - but I'd still like to get a real listen first. ******** While racing Mark to the "B" section I did manage to pick up a couple of other things worthy of your consideration: In my haste to check out as the store closed, one of my "unchecked" used CDs got into my "buy" pile instead of the "reject" pile. On getting home I find it is one the best things I bought! Talk about serendipity! The album is "Great Divide" by Subsonic. Not having come across the band before (I picked it out of the bin on the strength of the mollusks on the cover!!), I looked them up on AMG and under "related artists" I found both XTC and Robyn ...I must be getting predictable. I'll bet most of you know them already. My other successful purchase was "Drumsanddecksandrockandroll" by the UK duo Propellerheads. I bought this on the strength of a review with some trepidation, but I have to say it deserves an Ebbish "Wheeee!". I *love* this CD. It's what I imagine an English Pizzicato Five might sound like. I've had the stereo up to neighbor-lawsuit-provoking volumes as a result. Pardon? ~N ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 21:31:35 EST From: DWPoppe Subject: San Francisco 4/29 Greetings Fegs- In case it hasn't already been posted: Robyn Hitchcock will be appearing at the Great American Music Hall on Wednesday, April 29, the night after the screening of "Storefront Hitchcock" at the San Francisco Film Festival. (This is a pleasant contrast to last year's film fest when Neil Young and Crazy Horse played a surprise small club show *at the same time* as the premiere of the "Year Of the Horse" film:-) Regards- Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 16:00:04 +0100 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #131 >>> At 03:35 PM 4/3/98 EST, you wrote: >>> >>> >> Hello fellow Fegs! Just testing if I got this right. >>> >> >>> >> Sincerely, >>> >> Heruka >>> >> >>> > >>> >What's a feg? >>> >>> Kinda like a Pepper, not quite a Deadhead. Sorta like a Trekkie, only >>> without all the alien language baggage and funny makeup. >> >>Trekkies and Deadheads are too narrowly focused. We're a breakaway >>sect of Peppers. >> > >who's Jeff? Reg using a pseudonym. Fegs have the aesthetic sense of Deadheads, the wacky surrealism of Promise Keepers, the musical savoir faire of Trekkies, the je ne sais quoi of Spice Girls and the jutting chins of Metallers. They also have a pair of old brown railway shoes and an abandoned brain (which may come in handy in some bizarre, as yet undiscovered, set of circumstances). James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 00:00:57 -0500 From: woj spice Subject: Re: Confused apology also sprach The Great Quail: >I have *no* idea why the derver waited three days to process the original >"Last Notes of Carl Sagan." I had originally thought it was bounced, >broke it up in two and reposted. Then -- weird, eh? -- it appeared on the >List. . . . blame it on the woj-thing. the original large message did bounce to me for approval. i approved it before reading list-mail and thus did not see that the quail had nicely re-posted it in two pieces. mea culpa. fyi, the size limit for posts is 20 kilobytes though not for any particular reason i can think of. the limit was initially 7kb, so i must have increased it sometime in the past (can't say that i remember when though). woj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 05:25:22 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: robyn game On Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:09:39 -0500 (EST), you wrote: > >* Visit Winchester to see if Pete is still in Shawford. Miss a turn > >* go back one space to avoid being run over by the cars she used to drive > >* you are the fiend! Keep this card and use it whenever you wish to send >one other player of your choice directly to the shrine (the card must then >be discarded) > >* you are confronted by the serpent at the gates of wisdom. One other >player must ask you a robyn lyric question. If you get it right, have a >free go. If not, miss a turn * The queen of eyes blinks on and off: lose a turn *YOU have run into the Man with the Lightbulb head: go back 3. *the property you have landed on has turned out to be the Glass Hotel, and the last melon has rolled out and it has floated away: you pay nothing. etc. -luther ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:13:51 EST From: KarmaFuzzz Subject: Re: Hello In a message dated 98-04-03 16:54:07 EST, ljl@echonyc.com writes: << who's Jeff? >> me, for starters.......there are many more of us, and we're all out to get you..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 14:00:23 EST From: MARKEEFE Subject: Jonathon Richman Saw him last night here in Portland. Great show! I hadn't seen him before. I imagine many Fegs are already pretty familiar with Jo-Jo and Modern Lovers stuff and have probably seen him a bunch of times. For those who aren't, I would recommend seeing him in concert even if you don't know his material. He's a great and funny performer -- not at all surreal (like RH), but just goofy and extremely real and fun. I'd say it's fairly likely that the average Feg (not that there is such a thing) would enjoy Mr. Richman, either live or on record. For the latter, try the Modern Lovers' first, self- titled album (from 'round about 1976) or Jonathon's "I, Jonathon" ('92). And, tonight, it's Radiohead for me! And then, in just another 11 days, NMH! Double-woo-hoo!! - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 11:04:03 PST From: "chris franz" Subject: Robyn in SF tickets forgot to mention... tickets for that show can be ordered online at http://www.ticketweb.com/user/sfbay/venues/misc/gamh - - Chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 11:00:56 PST From: "chris franz" Subject: Robyn in SF April 29 Hi all - In case no one has yet noticed, the Great Americal Music Hall in San Francisco has announced a RH show on April 29; ticket price $13. Details at http://www.musichallsf.com/calendar/april-98_info.html#29 Anyway, I'm now part of the burgeoning population of Fegs in San Francisco, and as it happens my new flat is THREE BLOCKS from the Castro Theater, where Storefront Hitchcock will be showing on the 28th. So I'll be offering up my apartment as a pre-Storefront Feg gathering spot. Email me for details. And it just so worked out that I'll be flying back to the east coast for Memorial Day weekend... but for my brother's wedding that Saturday in Virginia. Dagnabit. If there are any post-Saturday things planned, keep me informed. later, - - Chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 11:35:06 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: nmh ok. i thought that you did. you're right, it's not *as* good as being there. but, i only saw the egyptians live three times. the soft boys zero. that just ain't enough for me... spoken like a man who has never listened to a gig recorded by the Almighty Lobster! i'll give you that nothing i've ever heard live matches the studio version of Airscape. but apart from that, just about every song has a better live version than the album version. if you haven't heard the egyptians do I'm Only You live, then, you haven't lived. Space Mountain *is* tame anymore. at least the last time i was on it, which, admittedly, was '92. but the real sadness was the emasculation of The Viper. yeah, i think i could go for a roller-coaster thread. that's about the *only* thing that hasn't been covered in enough detail here. that and The Big Lebowski. "The Dude abides"...I don't know about you, but i take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there, "The Dude," takin' 'er easy for all us sinners. Shesh...I sure hope he makes the finals. --The Stranger ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 15:29:10 -0500 From: Ner Subject: Re: Eh Eb wrote: > Well, good luck finding one. Fucking dictionaries have been banned > throughout much of the contiguous United States. It's somewhat easier to > find the abridged ladies' version, which deletes all entries under the > letter "c." Now I can't stop trying to think of "c" words this might apply to. ;) - -Ner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 13:41:17 -0700 From: Eb Subject: the NMH album OK, I figure that I won't be getting any more "I bought it" mail at this point, so just to let you know: Twenty-eight of you "bought it." And four or five others will basically "buy it when they can find the blasted thing for sale somewhere." That's a higher count than I was expecting, actually. I thought the final tally would be about a dozen. Off to see Blonde Redhead tonight, Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 16:59:24 -0500 From: Ner Subject: Re: music questions Eb wrote: > Someone told me that the NMH album has been #1 on the CMJ college chart for > a month...and #3 on the more commercial Gavin chart...it's becoming less > and less obscure.... Well I saw a review of it in Entertainment Weekly a few weeks ago. Can you say, 'mainstream'? - -Ner, who likes the NMH album quite a bit but is not blown away by it ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 17:13:13 -0500 From: Ner Subject: Re: Guest vocals (Warning - no RH, just Pulp content) amadain wrote: > Speaking of opinion- I purchased Pulp's "This Is Hardcore" today and I > thought it was very very VERY impressive. One warning though- if you bought > "Different Class" mainly on the strength of the poppier numbers like "Common > People" and "Disco 2000", you should probably audition this one before > buying, as actually it is thematically more reminiscent of earlier, darker > stuff like "Freaks" (only way way better :)). The lyrics are just as witty > and biting but this is a much bleaker album. I have yet to read any reviews > but I expect this will be more of a critic than a crowd pleaser. I picked up the new Pulp disc on Tuesday. I always CD shop on Tuesday's to check out the new releases. I was in HMV records and nothing was really grabbing my interest except for some rereleases of the first five Kinks albums with lots of bonus tracks. (Have you seen these Susan?). As I was passing by a listening booth the new Pulp release caught my eye. Since I new nothing about them and was bored I decided to give it a listen. I listened to the first two songs - interesting. I went to the magazine racks and found a couple of positive reviews of the album which seemed to jibe with what I had listened to. So I bought it and, after several listens, I really like it alot! The sound of much of it reminds me of the sound of some of those glitter rock bands from the early 70's: David Bowie with the Spiders From Mars, Mott The Hoople, T. Rex. If you like that sound then I highly recommend it! So what's their previous stuff like? I'm curious to know whether I should try and track some if it down. Ner, happily discovering new music ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 14:39:01 -0700 From: Eb Subject: *totally* off-topic, as I am wont to be Is anyone else utterly charmed by that new Fastball single, "The Way"? It completely surprised me -- I heard it a day or two ago, and can't get it out of my head. I didn't know a THING about the band, so I researched a bit and discovered two surprises: 1) this is their SECOND album 2) they're on Hollywood Records, the lamest label in the free world. Whoda thunk it? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 17:20:06 -0600 From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: Guest vocals (Warning - no RH, just Pulp content) >interest except for some rereleases of the first five Kinks albums with lots of >bonus tracks. (Have you seen these Susan?). No, I haven't. Are they on Rhino? I stopped reading the Kinks mailing list a very long while back as it is deadly boring, so I guess I missed the news. I wouldn't really know of their existence otherwise, as buying priority tends to be new music and old music I really ought to have had a long time ago :), so I don't often look around for rereleases of things I've already got even when they have extra tracks. Thanks for letting me know they're out there. >booth the new Pulp release caught my eye. It -is- kind of an eye catching cover :). >reminds me of the sound of some of those glitter rock bands from the early 70's: >David Bowie with the Spiders From Mars, Mott The Hoople, T. Rex. If you like >that sound then I highly recommend it! I'd agree with this. I'd also add that Jarvis Cocker's lyrics remind me a lot of Elvis Costello. Actually I read one review where the critic described him as "Elvis Costello swanning around in Bryan Ferry's tux", which seems fairly apt to me. The more I listen to this thing, the more the track that really grabs me is "Seductive Barry". It is so creepy/sleazy it makes my skin crawl. >So what's their previous stuff like? I'm curious to know whether I should try >and track some if it down. The album that broke them in a serious way in the UK (although it yielded only a minor hit here in the US, a bitingly funny little commentary on the war between the classes called "Common People") was called "Different Class"- as "TIH" is to aging, so "Different Class" is to class issues (I guess the title would indicate that :)) . You should have no problem tracking that one down. It's a little more poppy and the mood is overall a bit sunnier than "This is Hardcore" but musically it's still got that glam-anthemic quality to it. Lyrically it reminds me more of the Kinks than anything, sort of acerbic and sentimental at the same time and veddy English. You might also want to look out for the one before that, "His & Hers", which is also classic glam pop and very good, though I don't like it as much as the other two. Still there are some gems there- "Acrylic Afternoons" is a personal fave. There are some earlier ones done for the Fire label that have recently been rereleased as an effort to cash-in on Pulp's new-found cult status in the US (they were only available as obscure pricy imports before). Of the ones I have, I honestly can't really recommend "Freaks" unless you really really love the band. It's interesting in the way that a good band's flubs often are but it's not really very good. "Separations" is a lot stronger and I personally really like it a lot, but I still wouldn't say that it's an essential acquisition unless you're really into them. It's still about a band trying to find their sound really. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #132 *******************************