From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #123 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, March 29 1998 Volume 07 : Number 123 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: killing many bards with one... [Eb ] Confused apology [The Great Quail ] Re: Mitchell Froom (2% RH, mostly ramblings) [donald andrew snyder ] Re: Production and all that Gubbins [MARKEEFE ] Re: Last blabberings of Carl Sagan [dlang ] production (was Re: killing many birds with one...) [Bayard Subject: Re: killing many bards with one... Luther wrote: > I think the general contention is that "oh mercy' could have >been the last record of Dylan original material, and no one would have >complained...the production fits the songs PERFECTLY. > > the fact that "Time out of mind" exists is a pleasant >follow-up....think about it...we complain about about the rate Robyn >puts out albums... > we had to wait A DECADE for a new decent (Under a blood red >sky doesn't count; it sucked- all his other decent material at the >time went to the Wilburys) Dylan album. Well... 1. It wasn't a decade, but eight years (1989 to 1997). 2. I would certainly call World Gone Wrong and the MTV Unplugged album "decent," if not exactly stuffed with new Dylan material. 3. The above is NOT "the general contention," given the obviously spectacular reviews which Time Out of Mind has received. 4. It's "Under THE RED Sky," not "Under a Blood Red Sky." The latter was a totally different album, recorded by a bunch of Christ-complexed Irishmen whom Quail likes. ;) The Cindy Lee Berryhill show last night was *excellent*. A bunch of great new songs, and her percussionist (timpani, vibes, rhythm blocks, etc etc etc) was amazingly versatile. I can't believe she can't find a label. If you're into the Brian Wilson/High Llamas thing and don't mind a healthy dose of folk mixed in, definitely check her out if she comes to your town. (I think she's heading up to San Francisco next.) Eb, who is on pins and needles anticipating finally seeing Portishead tonight... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 98 14:56:38 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Confused apology Hey -- I have *no* idea why the derver waited three days to process the original "Last Notes of Carl Sagan." I had originally thought it was bounced, broke it up in two and reposted. Then -- weird, eh? -- it appeared on the List. . . . Sorry for the inconvenience. Although it wasn't my fault, I know it's a darn big file. . . . Um, not that I know anything about who this Fane character is. . . . - --Quail - ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | Literature Site - The Libyrinth: TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth www.rpg.net/quail | Vampire Site - New York by Night: riverrun Discordian Society | www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:55:34 -0600 (CST) From: donald andrew snyder Subject: Re: Mitchell Froom (2% RH, mostly ramblings) On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, amadain wrote: > way that the artist wanted it to sound and that's why they chose that > particular producer. It's sort of naive to think that because -I- don't like > the sound, the artist probably didn't either and they wuz framed. I don't > always succeed :), but I really do try not to make that assumption unless > it's really very obvious the artist in question dislikes the result. What are Robyn's opinions of Perspex anyway? > I've had similar debates about Dylan's "Oh Mercy", and I'd say roughly the > same thing about it, though I'm willing to entertain arguments from the > other side. How bout Time Out of Mind? I think this is great and partly because I get tired of just Dylan and the acoustic. I've always liked Dylan's voice, but Lanois put his voice through a guitar amp or something and it brings a different, welcome feel. > > So, what do you Fegs think are the best- and worst-produced RH albums, > >and why? Respect > P.S. Anyone got the new Richard Davies? I hear it is excellent but I'd like > seeing some feg reviews before I go plonk down my dollars :). I picked up a great promo a few weeks ago w/ Cardinals and Moles stuff on it too. I liked the Telegraph cuts the best -- enough to get the whole album when I saw it used. I really like the style, sorta Kinksy, but then again I like Perspex. It will probably make my top ten along with Robert Wyatt and Neutal Milk. So far so good. - -Andy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:58:25 -0400 From: chichi@io.com (Zelda Pinwheel) Subject: Re: SH At 11:28 AM 3/28/1998, Ross Overbury wrote:>Eb offered: >> >> Demme: "There's no greater gathering of people to hear music and see >> films than in Austin, Texas. It's an amazing synergistic place." >> >> Hitchcock: "There's a lot of groovers here... There's 'seedy groovers,' >> 'ratty groovers,' and a third strain just coming to light, 'nerdy >> groovers.' Well, put those three together, and boy..." > >Now who would the "nerdy groovers" be? > I'm sure this has nothing to do with people who tote around artificial veggies. z ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This product is sold by weight, not volume. Some settling of contents may have occurred during shipping and handling. May contain peanuts. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 23:23:24 -0000 From: "Jon" Subject: Production and all that Gubbins I suppose I too am in a minority, as I cherish "Respect". When I first purchased it I was somewhat taken aback when I heard Leckie's work on "Arms of Love" in particular. "But the passing of time and all its sickening crimes" ( I can quote Smiths songs too, Carole) have been very kind to this record. It's the one I derive the most pleasure from, its layers reveal themselves to you gradually, I love those frying pans on 'Driving Aloud'. 'Respect' demands total concentration, headphones at midnight. I never fail to find something new in it. Sure, Eye and ME are wonderful, but as their credits say, they were recorded rather than produced. The only other album I can think of that has had a similar creeping effect on me is Morrissey's "Vauxhall and I". A rather limp affair, subdued by Steve Lillywhites studio interference I thought on first listen. Four years on, its hold on me grows and grows. My fear is that neither artist will deliver such rewarding work again. Anyway that leads nicely to Carole's comments that the Smiths "Strangeways Here We Come" is a boozy album. I've never thought of it that way, a lazy album, maybe. But it does make more sense when you think of the *Strangeways* reffered to as not the prison that bears the name, but rather Boddingtons Strangeways Brewery just next door. Thanks, it really never occured to me before. Jon M ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 19:02:07 EST From: MARKEEFE Subject: Re: Production and all that Gubbins In a message dated 98-03-28 18:31:55 EST, Jon, he did write: << I suppose I too am in a minority, as I cherish "Respect". Wel, it may be becoming less of a minority by the hour; "Respect", while not being my favorite RH album, is somewhere between my 3rd and 6th favorite (they tend to all get lumped together for me, rankings-wise). Yeah, it's really well-recorded -- "warm", as they say, and intimate (recorded in the kitchen, right?). The only other album I can think of that has had a similar creeping effect on me is Morrissey's "Vauxhall and I". A rather limp affair, subdued by Steve Lillywhites studio interference I thought on first listen. Four years on, its hold on me grows and grows. >> Yes! A great album. The only solo Morrissey album I own, in fact. Same traits as the above album, and Morrissey's least-guarded lyrics ever, I think. - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 23:11:40 +2910 From: dlang Subject: Re: Last blabberings of Carl Sagan Once again we have to thank Dr Fane for his timely warnings on the nefarious doings of the Quail.However, this is only one thread of the twisted, brilliant and dangerous career of the winged one , I will soon be in the position to reveal the early academic career of old King Pinfeather himself ( due to the generosity of Friends of Feg who came up with a research grant ) .Hopefully I will have completed this treatise before the Quails fegparty so the fegmembers who are attending will be completely informed about the past of this most enigmatic of list members.Just exactly who is this Quail ,charleton or Shamen?. diety or dickhead?,high priest of Thoth or lowly confeg with an inflated ego ? Find out soon courtesy of the House of Feg ( just as soon as I get on holiday and make it all up,that is). BTW, Wombats are coming down with mange here in Australia,apparently the problem is quite serious. Is this another evil plot of the Quail and the old great ones ? or just possibly ( please don't laugh, I know this is extremely unlikely , but a really stupid friend mentioned that this might be possible, so I'm putting it in to humour him really ) that all this Quailspicacy , Wombat, fish,Squid and Great old Ones stuff is just a total coincidence and uttertly unrelated to any conspiracy , evil plan by alien entities to take over the world or fiendish plot enacted by demons whatsoever ?. No? I thought not! Till the next rant dave Np: Widespread Panic Adelaide 3-10-98. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:28:19 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: production (was Re: killing many birds with one...) i'm a big fan of Very Little Production, so of course i love _eye_, _trains_ and _you and oblivion_ (little maisie's quiet vocal interjections between songs are neat, simulating songs recorded over an old tape with messing-about on it.) i also must mention kershaw sessions here. but as for using production to properly enhance an album, i agree about EoL and would add underwater moonlight. i am certain i would like _perspex_ and _respect_ more if they were produced differently. i think _respect_ was a case of adding too many layers, until it ended up kind of shellac-ed. BTW, respect lovers, you may not be as few as you think. i have talked to loads of fegs who adore this disc. do i remember correctly that robyn helped produce _fegmania!_? =b ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:46:47 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: production (was Re: killing many birds with one...) > i'm a big fan of Very Little Production, so of course i love _eye_, > _trains_ and _you and oblivion_ (little maisie's quiet vocal interjections > between songs are neat, simulating songs recorded over an old tape with > messing-about on it.) i also must mention kershaw sessions here. but as Is that actually simulated? I'd always figured that it was mostly personal demos, recorded over an old tape with messing-about on it. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:35:53 +1200 (NZST) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Eh >>Well, couldn't you also say that A doesn't necessarily equal A? I mean, >>the tuning standard is A-440, but some people prefer to tune to A-439 or >>A-441 (or so I've been told). >my guess is that the A-439 goes to Leatherhead, but the A-441 goes to >Swindon. Actually, come to think of it, they must be somewhere in the >Oxford area. Any Britfegs care to confirm where ther are? A439, Evesham to Warwick via Stratford-on-Avon (you've got to be kidding!); A441, Evesham-Redditch. Oxford wasn't far out. >In a somewhat similar mood, though more traditional I think (and not >*quite* as wonderful, to my taste): MBIRA DREAMS, Erica Kundidzora Azim. I shall have to hunt for this one... anyone care to tell the antipodeans what mst3k means? James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #123 *******************************