From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #107 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, March 21 1998 Volume 07 : Number 107 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: AOL Chat Transcript (lengthy) [tanter ] chat [tanter ] Great feg gathering? [dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich)] Re: Great feg gathering? [Tom Clark ] Re: SH/Chat Questions [nicastr@idt.net (Ben)] Re: AOL Chat Transcript (lengthy) [nicastr@idt.net (Ben)] Re: Seth [wojs of mass destruction ] Re: AOL Chat Transcript (lengthy) [Terrence M Marks ] Re: AOL Chat Transcript (lengthy) [MARKEEFE ] Re: AOL Chat Transcript (lengthy) [tanter ] Re: AOL Chat Transcript (lengthy) [woj spice ] Re: chat [Gary Assassin ] Re: AOL Chat Transcript (lengthy) [Terrence M Marks ] Just one more... [Eb ] Re: temper, temper... [Eb ] Re: temper, temper... [nicastr@idt.net (Anne)] Re: temper, temper... [Bayard ] Re: SH/Chat Questions [Bayard ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:17:59 -0500 From: tanter Subject: Re: AOL Chat Transcript (lengthy) At 02:11 PM 3/20/98 -0700, Eb wrote: >But to get to my point...some of her enemies derisively refer to her as >"D#" (get it?). And as hopefully all of you know, D# equals...Eb!!! YIKES! >I'm part of some vast brainf*ck conspiracy on the Internet, and I didn't >even know about it!! What in the world does D# equals Eb mean? I'm sure it's something musical, but..... Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:22:18 -0500 From: tanter Subject: chat Disappointing chat....why does he not answer questions? I like his sense of humor but sometimes I'd just like him to be straight and not be funny. I suppose an on=line chat is a hard place to be serious but if he's not going to answer the questions, why do it? (ok, so I'm picky.....) Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 00:28:42 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: Great feg gathering? On Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:20:58 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:15:42 -0500 (EST) >From: Gary Assassin >Subject: Re: The Great East Coast Feg Gathering > >I'll go. I don't turn down parties, especially with weirdos. > > ------------------------------------ >If you have a condom and sunscreen SPF 15 or greater, than it's safe to look at > http://www.panix.com/~gsa/index.html > >On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, The Great Quail wrote: > >> Oh ye Fegs, >> >> I apologize to the rest of the List, but who knows -- maybe this will >> cause some of you to use up some Frequent Flyer miles! >> >> Recently, LJ, Bayard, and myself have been discussing throwing a Feg >> party, an East Coast Gathering, yes, a hootenanny to shake the heavens. >> I've never been at a hootenanny, or at least I don't think I have, and I >> think it's high time that I took care of this regrettable situation. >> >> So. . . . >> >> What about it? >> >> I am thinking of May 16 as a potential date, and the location would be my >> house in Harrisburg Pennsylvania. We are, actually, the capital of this >> grand Commonwealth, *not* Pittsburgh or Philly, as you may recall if you >> remember your 8th grade geography. >> >> This gathering would start around 3 pm and could possibly involve the >> following things: >> >> 1. A yummy barbecue: hot dogs, hamburgers, prawns, squid -- the usual >> suspects >> 2. Lots and lots of beer and coffee >> 3. Fun music >> 4. Opportunities to *make* fun music -- bring an instrument or >> disaffected Beach Boy of your choice! >> 5. Opportunities to trade and tape RH cassettes: I have one T2T deck, and >> many electrical sockets for others. >> 6. An utterly harmless trip to a local Crop Circle at a special but >> secret time. >> 7. Lots and lots of beer and coffee >> 8. A doorprize: Robyn's 1989 autographed guitar *and* piano, to be >> graciously donated by Eb >> 9. A screening of Robyn related videos and movies, like "Man with the >> Lightbulb Head" and "Titanic." >> 10. A game of Spin-the-Bottle with LJ as hostess >> 11. Fun photograph opportunities to add to Nick's page >> 12. Fegs can bring their CONES and we can put them all together in a room >> and see what happens overnight. . . . >> 13. A sleepover! I have plenty of room, and it would be fun to see who >> shacks up with whom! >> 14. Dancing! The living room can be cleared to dance, for any Fegs >> brave/crazy/drunk enough to cut loose and break my little ceramic quail >> knick-knacks. >> 15. Lots and lots of beer and coffee >> 16. Bagels, aspirin, and coffee in the morning >> 17. A Sunday noon religious service to Thoth, where we sacrifice any >> neighbors and policemen who came to investigate the prior evening. >> >> I would also like to add that Fegs can certainly bring a guest or two, >> provided they keep any pets larger than 2.67 ounces at home; and being a >> Deadhead from many years back, I have no objections to any mild personal >> recreational entertainments that go outside the limits of #2, 7, and 14 >> above; and I additionally swear I *never* hosted such an event for the >> Gong List. >> >> Harrisburg is conveniently located in central PA, and is: >> >> About 45 minutes from York and Lancaster >> An hour and a half from Penn State and Allentown >> Two or so hours from Wilkes-Barre, Baltimore, and Philadelphia >> Three or so hours from Washington DC and New York City >> Four or so hours from Pittsburgh >> Six-Eight hours from various places in New England, Virginia, and Ohio >> 60 or so hours from California, providing you drive all night long really >> fast >> 156 Hours away from Australia and New Zealand, providing you give the >> platypi enough amphetamines to paddle on through the nights. . . . >> >> So you see, most of us should be able to make it! >> >> My house is on a small plot of land, and though it has a large porch, it >> is set into the side of a hill, so outdoor sports must be confined to >> lawn darts and shooting randomly at passersby. It is fairly secluded, and >> has three narrow storeys, so there is space for a chill-out room, a >> musical gatheringplace, a small dancefloor, and a wombatorium for you >> Aussies in attendance. >> >> One small warning: I own two cats, so those with allergies (me included) >> be prepared. >> >> I was also thinking of this as an idea: every Feg guest brings a 60-90 >> minute mixed tape of their personal favorote songs (One imposed Limit: >> Two Robyn songs?). These tapes are then placed in a big wicker Thoth-head >> and then we have a random drawing later in the evening . . . ? This is a scary concept...But intriging. One question: what about food, for those of us (Like Robyn himself!) who don't eat meat? -luther w dudich >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 98 16:48:55 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Great feg gathering? On 3/20/98 4:28 PM, David W. Dudich wrote: > This is a scary concept...But intriging. > One question: what about food, for those of us (Like Robyn >himself!) who don't eat meat? > > -luther w dudich I'm also a veggiefeg - but I do eat Quail. Count me in! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:40:15 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: SH/Chat Questions >>What were your questions for the chat, Eb? > > > > >Eb What a dick. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:35:17 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: AOL Chat Transcript (lengthy) >At 02:11 PM 3/20/98 -0700, Eb wrote: >>But to get to my point...some of her enemies derisively refer to her as >>"D#" (get it?). And as hopefully all of you know, D# equals...Eb!!! YIKES! >>I'm part of some vast brainf*ck conspiracy on the Internet, and I didn't >>even know about it!! > >What in the world does D# equals Eb mean? I'm sure it's something musical, >but..... > >Marcy D#(sharp) and Eb(flat) are the same notes. "Oh.... jokes, I get jokes! Hehehe...." - Homer Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:36:08 -0500 From: wojs of mass destruction Subject: Re: Seth also sprach M R Godwin: >I haven't heard of this book, but like others, I had assumed that the >reference was to the Egyptian god of that name. you mean "set"? i'm no scholar of egyptian religion, but i don't recall ever seeing "set" spelled "seth". woj n.p. wpkn -- the skies over bridgeport ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:42:30 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: AOL Chat Transcript (lengthy) > But to get to my point...some of her enemies derisively refer to her as > "D#" (get it?). And as hopefully all of you know, D# equals...Eb!!! YIKES! Nonsense. They have the same note, but aren't always equivalent. Check out a book on tuning theory if you don't believe me. Besides, you can't be some usenet kook. You're much too well-tempered for that. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:50:36 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: AOL Chat Transcript (lengthy) >> But to get to my point...some of her enemies derisively refer to her as >> "D#" (get it?). And as hopefully all of you know, D# equals...Eb!!! YIKES! > >Nonsense. They have the same note, but aren't always equivalent. >Check out a book on tuning theory if you don't believe me. Explain further. This is news to me. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:11:47 EST From: MARKEEFE Subject: Re: AOL Chat Transcript (lengthy) In a message dated 98-03-20 21:00:06 EST, you write: << D# equals...Eb!!! YIKES! > >Nonsense. They have the same note, but aren't always equivalent. >Check out a book on tuning theory if you don't believe me. Explain further. This is news to me. >> Well, couldn't you also say that A doesn't necessarily equal A? I mean, the tuning standard is A-440, but some people prefer to tune to A-439 or A-441 (or so I've been told). Of course, I *do* like theories! So, yes, please, Terrence, let us in on the basic tenets of this tuning theory. Thanks! - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:45:16 -0500 From: tanter Subject: Re: AOL Chat Transcript (lengthy) At 08:36 PM 3/20/98 -0500, you wrote: > > In case Eb doesn't reply to your query (depends on how sarcastic an >answer he might be able to come up with I suppose) Thank you all for explaining this to me. I guess I need music lessons! But I have to say for the record that Eb has always been quite congenial and most unsarcastic with me--a veritable gentleman! Marcy :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:26:53 -0500 From: woj spice Subject: Re: AOL Chat Transcript (lengthy) also sprach JH3: >Sorry this took so long, folks - no problem -- thanks for posting it! for those who care, i've added the transcript to the fegsite. it's at . >I had to edit out all the stuff about Wu-Tang Clan and Robyn's bra size. let me guess, 36AA? +w n.p. kristen barry -- the beginning. the middle. the end. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:29:30 -0500 From: Gary Assassin Subject: Re: chat > Disappointing chat....why does he not answer questions? I like his sense > of humor but sometimes I'd just like him to be straight and not be funny. > I suppose an on=line chat is a hard place to be serious but if he's not > going to answer the questions, why do it? (ok, so I'm picky.....) You thin you're picky? You have just been introduced to the pickiest! I'll just leave it at that and you'll see, over the years that I am right! To make this message appropriate, let me come up with something.... ...oh, ok, how about: Can I still get a copy of Glass Flesh? Remember, I have been away a looong time. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 00:09:18 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: AOL Chat Transcript (lengthy) > >> But to get to my point...some of her enemies derisively refer to her as > >> "D#" (get it?). And as hopefully all of you know, D# equals...Eb!!! YIKES! > > > >Nonsense. They have the same note, but aren't always equivalent. > >Check out a book on tuning theory if you don't believe me. > > Explain further. This is news to me. There's this thing called temperament. A span of 1 octave has a 2/1 ratio. A span of 1 third (eg. C to E, A to C#) has a ratio of 5/4. 3 thirds (C to E to G# to C) has, according to those definitions, both a ratio of 2/1 and 125/64. Equal temperament is what most pianos and fretted string instruments are set to. These take the differences between notes and distribute them evenly. An equally tempered instrument is a few Hz off on every note. Well temperament (used in other keyboard instruments) tunes the instrument to one key and uses that. In well temperament, there is a difference in the character of the keys (a piece in F# will sound different than a piece in E, and not just because of being 2 semitones higher) However, the drawback is that if you're tuned to one key, you can't play properly in a few keys because the notes are off by too much. Basically, while the instrument only has one physical note, in a well-tempered scale, Eb and D# have different frequencies. Hence the pun about you being too even-tempered. (n.b. fretless string and non-string instruments can hit both Cb and B because, well, no frets. All classical music sounds the same to me, and all Partch-style invent-your-own-tuning music sounds like noise to me, so I can't really comment on how this is applied) Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:11:53 -0700 From: Eb Subject: my doppelganger There's plenty more where this came from, you know. ;) Eb From alt.music.yes.... dsharpe2@flash.net wrote: [Subject: Asia reference in The Division Bell] > I know some of you may not know the Enigma, that the PF fans have > not been able to understand yet, but I know it. > in the lyrics "while nations wash their bloodied hands of loyalty > of history in shades of gray" > > the word nations represents the word Asia and Publius gave the clue > of the "orient" > The first Asia album has the colors of shades of gray on the cover. > And the phrase means that the rest of Asia although they were loyal > to Carl at one time washed their bloodied hands. > Bloodied hands means they helped him in his game to hurt me. > Jeff Downs cowrote an ELP song with Greg. That is the song that > describes mine and Carls relationship. Its a romantic love song, > but it was all done to hurt me at the end of it all. So that I > would never be able to tell Carls secret that he's gay. > This is just a sample of what the Division Bell is about. > It helps me to better tell what happened to me. Because I was > helpless against someone like Carl. No one believed me and fans > still don't, that is why other musicians are helping me to tell my > story through their lyrics so that I may get justice someday. > If you don't care to listen anymore then don't read any more of > my posts, but I will Keep Talking, for now its my only justice. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:20:47 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Just one more... ...after all, things are pretty slow on the list right now. Heh heh. Eb [alt.music.s-mclachlan] dsharpe2@flash.net wrote: > So because I'm not famous, I am suppose to take a crazy musician > doing weird things to me? After 20 years I see myself in a video? > His manager calls my work and asks for the fax number on Valentines > Day and a fax with the name Palmer on the top of it comes through. > He yells my name during a concert live over the radio, yelling that > he loved me and when did I want my wedding. > There were newer songs of ELP's that described in detail my meeting > Carl and my departure, words he said to me were lyrics. The surroundings > where we met were described. I started to believe he > cared, then he leaves without telling what he was doing. I was afraid > and hearing that song and others everywhere I went. Then I started > thinking it was all in my > head, but it wasn't because my husband saw everything he was doing too. > But even his hands were tied to do anything, because Carl is famous. > See famous people can do anything and get away with it. > A person like me comes here to tell of a stalking case and I get > laughed at, Sarah, tells of hers and gets sympathy. > Something is wrong with this picture. That is why some musicians > are helping me to tell my story about what Carl did, because I can't > help myself because I'm not famous. > Fans like you sure as hell don't care, so that's why other musicians > use what happened to me in their lyrics. I am not bragging, I am > thankful for their help and not thankful for the way their fans > react to what they've done. I just get jealous remarks and get called > names. I have no fixation, I don't even know how to be that way. > Musicians are people and not to be put on some pedistal. > That's the problem you put them up too high and dont' think its' > possible that they'd help someone like me, well you're wrong > very wrong. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:28:19 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: temper, temper... Terrence wrote: >There's this thing called temperament. >A span of 1 octave has a 2/1 ratio. >A span of 1 third (eg. C to E, A to C#) has a ratio of 5/4. >3 thirds (C to E to G# to C) has, according to those >definitions, both a ratio of 2/1 and 125/64. >Equal temperament is what most pianos and fretted string instruments >are set to. These take the differences between notes and >distribute them evenly. An equally tempered instrument is >a few Hz off on every note. >Well temperament (used in other keyboard instruments) tunes >the instrument to one key and uses that. In well temperament, there >is a difference in the character of the keys (a piece in F# will sound >different than a piece in E, and not just because of being 2 semitones >higher) However, the drawback is that if you're tuned to one key, you >can't play properly in a few keys because the notes are off by too much. >Basically, while the instrument only has one physical note, in >a well-tempered scale, Eb and D# have different frequencies. Oh, OK. Yeah, I'm familiar with this school of thought. La Monte Young, and all that. But jeez, I say that Eb equals D#, and you reply with a "Nonsense"??? Quite a haughty overstatement, that. You should've come back with "Well, yes. But actually, if you adhere to renegade theories of well temperament instead, the notes *wouldn't* be the same." Something like that, with a bit more sense of perspective. I didn't earn a "Nonsense." >(All classical music sounds the same to me) Ouch! And you're preaching about music theory? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 16:53:21 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Anne) Subject: Re: temper, temper... >Terrence wrote: >>There's this thing called temperament. >>A span of 1 octave has a 2/1 ratio. >>A span of 1 third (eg. C to E, A to C#) has a ratio of 5/4. >>3 thirds (C to E to G# to C) has, according to those >>definitions, both a ratio of 2/1 and 125/64. >>Equal temperament is what most pianos and fretted string instruments >>are set to. These take the differences between notes and >>distribute them evenly. An equally tempered instrument is >>a few Hz off on every note. >>Well temperament (used in other keyboard instruments) tunes >>the instrument to one key and uses that. In well temperament, there >>is a difference in the character of the keys (a piece in F# will sound >>different than a piece in E, and not just because of being 2 semitones >>higher) However, the drawback is that if you're tuned to one key, you >>can't play properly in a few keys because the notes are off by too much. >>Basically, while the instrument only has one physical note, in >>a well-tempered scale, Eb and D# have different frequencies. > >Oh, OK. Yeah, I'm familiar with this school of thought. La Monte Young, and >all that. But jeez, I say that Eb equals D#, and you reply with a >"Nonsense"??? Quite a haughty overstatement, that. You should've come back >with "Well, yes. But actually, if you adhere to renegade theories of well >temperament instead, the notes *wouldn't* be the same." Something like >that, with a bit more sense of perspective. I didn't earn a "Nonsense." > I have to actually AGREE with Eb here! When I said D#=Eb, it was just a simple generalisation. Somebody who doesn't know the simpler aspects of music theory is not likely to understand equal temperment! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:45:57 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: temper, temper... On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, Eb wrote: > Quite a haughty overstatement, that. *cough* =b ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 20:26:02 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: SH/Chat Questions On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Eb wrote: > I don't really have any burning questions I'm aching to ask Robyn at this > stage of his career, so I wouldn't waste his time finding just ANYTHING to my thinking is, better to provide something good to Mike beforehand than to just post some kind of sourpuss blowoff after the fact. That's just noise, chum. You're the music biz type, you must know how to handle musicians better than us mere mortals. We're counting on you to use your music smarts to make a contribution. > Entertainment Tonight-type queries. But if I HAD to ask something, I > suppose I might ask about his shaky relationship with producers, and why > his albums so frequently fall victim to poorly chosen producers. And why he > hasn't learned to avoid this yet, after 20 years. Yeah, it's not a nice > question, but that's what comes to mind. Or perhaps something about what > we've discussed at length here, regarding the difficult tug-of-war between > a veteran artist "maturing" yet "keeping things fresh." Those would have been good, you should have asked them. > To be fair though, those online chats NEVER seem to have much substance. Always good to be fair. Over and out. =b ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #107 *******************************