From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #80 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, March 1 1998 Volume 07 : Number 080 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Critics and Ebs Hitch remarks [tanter ] Re: Blows and bows [candlabra@lewiston.com] tape tree [chichi@io.com (Zelda Pinwheel)] Re: Mike Love's Hall of Fame rant [KarmaFuzzz ] Re: Pit hair. [Capuchin ] double vegetation and dimes [Miles Goosens ] Re: Burn the Cheese! (various bits of trivial nothing, 0% Robyn) [sdodge@] Re: Burn the Cheese! [Eb ] Re: Burn the Cheese! [sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain)] Re: sxsw ["Maxey L. Mullins" ] Re: oh, I forgot to ask you... ["Maxey L. Mullins" ] Re: Five Finger Bands (was re:In sorrow not in anger) ["Maxey L. Mullins"] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:36:57 -0500 From: tanter Subject: Re: Critics and Ebs Hitch remarks I'm sure it's great that Eb's who he is, but I think we should ferret out Robyn's friend who lurks here....surely he's much more interesting....? Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 19:21:04 -0800 From: candlabra@lewiston.com Subject: Re: Blows and bows Capuchin said >As for the human voice, I really can't stand most folks' idea of >"expressive" singing. Give me Robyn, Morrissey, or David Byrne style >vocals any day. Morrisey and David Byrne???? That explains it. How can you put Robyn in the same category with them? Everytime those two open their holes it makes me cringe. >Note that it said nothing about expressiveness or versatility of sound. >It just said you can carry it and it can be plucked while singing. Same >goes for a rubber band (and as for the range of notes: a large number of >rubber bands).> When it comes to versatility of sound, guitars are far superior to most other instruments, ESPECIALLY horns. For one thing, it can play SIX notes at a time, as opposed to the monotone horn (hmm..maybe thats why you can relate to the monotonous Morrisey?). You can also change the tuning on a guitar, which can lead you down alternate roads of expression. Not so easy to do with other instruments. Guitars can be picked, strummed, slapped or stroked, amplified for totally different effect, etc. When's the last time you heard someone incorporate feedback and harmonics on a piano, or any other instrument for that matter?? >Of course the player makes a huge difference. I still can't come up with >a single guitar player whose guitar(playing) can make me feel anything >like joy or giddiness. How about Andy Partridge or Dave Gregory of XTC? Try listening to the guitar part from "Helicopter" on Drums and Wires without a feeling of joy and giddiness. Many more examples available, but it's really not worth my time..... Chasmo (formerly 'the big fig', who only hopes the Demme movie is great, cause this list has really gotten boring over the last few weeks....) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 22:13:59 -0400 From: chichi@io.com (Zelda Pinwheel) Subject: tape tree Howdy folks! If anyone involved in a trade with me has *not* yet received a tape, could ya please let me know? Amidst the confusion of moving last week, I'm afraid I may have forgotten someone. Maybe not. Thanks--z ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This product is sold by weight, not volume. Some settling of contents may have occurred during shipping and handling. May contain peanuts. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:17:46 EST From: KarmaFuzzz Subject: Re: Mike Love's Hall of Fame rant In a message dated 98-02-28 14:50:59 EST, cwallace@gwi.net writes: << Now, that had to be the most embarrassing acceptance speech ever. I can't remember much of it, but Mike was insulting other musicians, and acting like a complete idiot. The following is just my recollection, as I can't find the clipping for it. But I believe he said something along the lines of "Mick Jagger is too chickenshit to get up here and play with the Beach Boys. He didn't even dare show his face tonight". Jagger was sitting about 10 feet from Mike. Mike just went on and on, as the rest of the guys looked embarrassed. Carl walked off stage at the end of it, and asked "Is this the end of our career?" Later in the show, Elton John said "I just want to thank Mike Love for not mentioning me in his speech." >> actually, it was Bob Dylan, during HIS acceptance speech who thanked mike love for non mentioning him. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 20:24:47 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Pit hair. On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Ner wrote: > Personally, I love everything about women - and that includes their armpit > hair, if they have it! Yum Yum... You cannot tell me that I've ever written anything as sexist as this. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 22:56:16 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: double vegetation and dimes At 04:12 PM 2/26/98 -0500, dmw wrote: >and i still have a lot of sentimental attachment to mssr. hitchcock, but >i'm afraid i'm with Eb in that i'd be really surprised if one of his >records surprised me (in a big way) again. doug is probably right, but as he and I (and others) have been through on Loud-Fans, for some folks like me, the "surprise" factor doesn't matter that much. Perhaps it's creeping old age and complacency on my part, I dunno. But I find myself enjoying many later-career albums (Robyn's PERSPEX ISLAND and ME, Prince's EMANCIPATION, R.E.M.'s OUT OF TIME and NEW ADVENTURES IN HI-FI, Frank Black's TEENAGER OF THE YEAR, Byrne's entire solo career) by old favorites way more than my other 'net pals. While I hope I'm still open to being surprised, even shocked, by new things, I've savored these artists' growing (IMO) mastery of their craft. I'm not saying that it's better to be like me than it is to continually search for that new manic pop thrill -- I'm probably stuck in a monumental rut! I'm merely suggesting that there's more than one way to look at RH's career, or anyone's, and as long as Robyn continues to write and perform songs I like, I really don't care if they break any new ground or not. searching the dial for MATLOCK, Miles ============================================================== JASON WILKINS (of Neilson Hubbard): Victor's was just starting to happen, then it burned down. BILL LLOYD: That's a pretty good metaphor for the Nashville rock scene. -- NASHVILLE SCENE, Jan. 15, 1998 Miles Goosens outdoorminer@mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles ============================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:01:05 -0600 From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: Burn the Cheese! (various bits of trivial nothing, 0% Robyn) >> gritty B&W films with homely, heavily accented working-class Brits...mmmmm. >> Albert Finney, Richard Harris, Rita Tushingham...yummy. >Homely. Richard Harris. Homely. Richard Harris. Nope, I just don't see >it. I'd *definitely* give him one. Now that's surprising, as I would have said the same of the young Albert Finney. In fact I believe that they were both considered good-looking in their day. There's two down. Anyone want to speak up for RIta? :) >> And (grrrrrr) who wants to talk to a bunch of >> stodgy, anal-retentive Elvis Costello fans who can't appreciate any music >> that stretches beyond an old-school lyrics 'n' sheet-music songwriting >> aesthetic? >Erm... not *everyone* on the Costello list is like that, Eb. Most of >them, yes... ;) Well, actually, there are quite a lot of good songs from that era's heyday (30s and 40s), clever, stylish, emotionally gripping even. Good songwriting didn't suddenly fall out of the sky in 1965. Wait a minute, haven't I said this before? :) Anyway, I think it's worth repeating. This pervasive attitude that in general almost anything pre-Beatles is ok to dismiss as impossibly old-fashioned, simple-minded, or what have you, is a real peeve of mine. Perhaps the people on the EC list overemphasize the point and are obnoxious about it, I don't know, I'm not on that list, but I have to say that I can understand why they feel defensive, since the fact is that -I'm- also saddened that there aren't any more Porters and Gershwins around either. Yes I know, they come in different forms and guises now :). I still miss this style of song, and I really hate the turn musical theater has taken. Most modern-day musical stuff (which is where most of those songs came from) is overblown, bombastic and juvenile in comparison. >> And are Armed Forces and This Year's Model two of Costello's >> better albums? >My obsession with This Year's Model borders on the unhealthy. I *love* >that record with the kind of intensity normally reserved for people, >pets and Revolver. To answer your question, um, yes. Yes, but can we add King of America? >Danielle, reading 'Pretty in Pink: The Golden Age of Teenage Movies', >and coming to the conclusion that Molly Ringwald should have gone off >with Duckie rather than Andrew McCarthy, aka alien-constipation-boy I'm glad someone else in the world not only cares enough about this question to have an opinion but actually shares mine :). I remember feeling quite cheated at the end of that movie. Love on ya, Susan n.p. Noel Coward- "HMV Recordings 1928-53" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:55:04 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Burn the Cheese! Susan wrote: >>> gritty B&W films with homely, heavily accented working-class Brits...mmmmm. >>> Albert Finney, Richard Harris, Rita Tushingham...yummy. >>Homely. Richard Harris. Homely. Richard Harris. Nope, I just don't see >>it. I'd *definitely* give him one. > >Now that's surprising, as I would have said the same of the young Albert >Finney. In fact I believe that they were both considered good-looking in >their day. Well, OK...I can see someone being attracted to the young Harris/Finney. But you have to admit, the attraction is kinda non-traditional...more of a "rugged, rough-hewn charm" sort of thing. Of course, I don't DARE make any comparisons here with the puzzling Ewan MacGregor fetish which sweeps today's otherwise level-headed ladies, eh? ;P >>> And (grrrrrr) who wants to talk to a bunch of >>> stodgy, anal-retentive Elvis Costello fans who can't appreciate any music >>> that stretches beyond an old-school lyrics 'n' sheet-music songwriting >>> aesthetic? > >This pervasive >attitude that in general almost anything pre-Beatles is ok to dismiss as >impossibly old-fashioned, simple-minded, or what have you, is a real peeve >of mine. Perhaps the people on the EC list overemphasize the point and are >obnoxious about it, I don't know, I'm not on that list, but I have to say >that I can understand why they feel defensive, since the fact is that -I'm- >also saddened that there aren't any more Porters and Gershwins around >either. You're kinda missing the point here, Susan, in your eagerness to harp on one of your pet issues. It's not a question of era. My point was that the vast majority of people on that list only value CURRENT music which can still fit into that traditional songwriting-on-the-printed-page sort of mindset. With them, it all comes down to "Show me the guitar tabs, and let me read the lyrics." Other possible intangible virtues -- production concepts, performance energy, arranging, dissonant tension, texture, band chemistry, musical chops, a unique voice/guitar tone, spontaneity, whatever - -- tend to be left by the wayside. For instance, I'm willing to bet there's a decent number of Spiritualized fans on this list (like me). That sort of band would be totally brushed off on the Costello list. As a result, the Costello list discusses very little current music beyond conservatively produced, accessible, guitar-based songwriters. Steve Earle, Lyle Lovett, stuff like that. There's a wee bit of a trendy Britpop contingent, but after all, that's a very melody/songwriting-based style also. Anyway, such aesthetic limitations were part of the reason why I left. Eb, who hasn't seen Charlie Bubbles or Billy Liar yet, darn it ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 00:37:37 -0600 From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: Burn the Cheese! >Well, OK...I can see someone being attracted to the young Harris/Finney. >But you have to admit, the attraction is kinda non-traditional...more of a >"rugged, rough-hewn charm" sort of thing. I guess. He looks a lot like an ex of mine, actually :), whom come to think of it was often called good-looking or "icky", seldom anything in the middle. >You're kinda missing the point here, Susan, in your eagerness to harp on >one of your pet issues. It's not a question of era. My point was that the >vast majority of people on that list only value CURRENT music which can >still fit into that traditional songwriting-on-the-printed-page sort of >mindset. Well, as far as I knew that's what you were talking about, since the word current does not appear in what you wrote, and the wording might well possibly lead one to believe that an earlier style was being discussed. We're not all up on what's going on on the EC mailing list. Still I will admit that the idea of rabid Gershwin fans taking over the EC list does have a certain appeal, which may be partly behind my jumping to that conclusion :). >Costello list discusses very little current music beyond conservatively >produced, accessible, guitar-based songwriters. Which is rather odd, considering how many forays he's made outside of that. Another reason it might not have occurred to me that that's not what you meant. Still another is that actually Costello's style of wordplay seems at least to me a lot more like Cole Porter's (E.C. taking a stab at "It's Delovely"? I can hear it :)) than Lyle Lovett's, hence the reason I made the -former- stylistic connection rather than the latter. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 00:35:11 -0600 From: "Maxey L. Mullins" Subject: Re: sxsw yes, the storefront hitchcock premire begins at 7:00. i can't imagine it being longer than two hours. i bet it's only about an hour and a half. so you could be at the state theater by 9:00 or so. the question is whether or not you'll be able to get in at that time. i have no idea how crowded it will be. you may have no trouble and you may have lots of trouble. it's a risk. and one i'm not willing to take. originally, i was going to catch the film too, but it was hearing that people like you were crossing half the country to see the show that made me change me mind. it just sounds like there are a lot of fegs out there planning to be there. and since they're not selling advance tickets, there is no way to know for sure if any of us will get in. but i'm gonna try my damndest. so good luck. race to the state theater as fast as you can. as far as a signal goes the hitchcock t-shirt probably wouldn't be a good idea anyway. there will no doubt be people there in RH shirts that are not this list. also, storefront hitchcock will be showing at the paramount theater, which is on congress ave. and 7th street. i'm not sure where the state theater is but i'll find out and let you know. i know austin pretty well, so i can probably help you map out the fastest way to get from the paramount to the state. =joel Carole Reichstein wrote: > > Hey, thanks for your insights into the SXSW wristband saga. A welcome > relief from all that endless Eb rhetoric. > > I've already arranged to buy one--what the hell, I'm going to be in town > nearly all week, so I *should* go to a lot of shows. > > ..how long is the Storefront Hitchcock movie going to be? I heard that > shows at 7pm, and at 9pm on goes Deni Bonet on stage. In an ideal > universe, I'd like to attend both. For sure, I'm going to scurry over to > the Stage theater after the film. I don't mind showing up at gigs early. > > So, I'm one Portland (oregon) Feg who's attending. Will you buy me a beer? > :) I haven't decided what accessory I shall use to identify myself yet. I > collect Robyn t-shirts, but I don't wear them. They just hang in my > closet. > > Anyway, see you there! > > Carole ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 00:39:15 -0600 From: "Maxey L. Mullins" Subject: Re: oh, I forgot to ask you... Carole Reichstein wrote: > > ...how much was the cover charge for Robyn's show last year? Just > wondering. > > -Carole i'm afraid i can't remember that carole. i'm sure it was less than 20 dollars. i've asked some people at sxsw about this years cover but they don't know yet. if you have a bracelet, you may get in free. but some shows require a cover charge even with the bracelet. i'll find out all that info when it starts getting closer and let you know. =joel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 01:22:32 -0600 From: "Maxey L. Mullins" Subject: Re: Five Finger Bands (was re:In sorrow not in anger) alright, here's my 5-finger bands. 1978: john denver, olivia newton-john, shaun cassidy, neil diamond, simon and garfunkel 1988: the beatles, rem, robyn hitchcock, hoodoo gurus, the smiths 1998: the beatles, robyn hitchcock, lou reed, the eagles, luna =joel dlang wrote: > > Some folks were rabbiting on about their fave teen bands.Thought I'd > throw my happeth of invalid perceptions into the cauldron and see if I > can contribute soemething to the debate. > > Isn't it strange how ones tastes change as one gets older. I've had > extreme fluctuations of what I've listened to over the years from my > teens to late 40's. however , now I seem to have gone full circle and > gone back to the music of my late teens ,a mix of acid rock, folk rock > and the more esoteric jazz. I know some of you are going to puke at > this, but sorry ,its what I like. > early teens. Family, Pink Floyd, Fairport Convention,, Roland Kirk and > Incredible string band. > 20's-Grateful Dead. Little feat, Miles Davis, Beefheart,Steely Dan. > 30's-James Brown, Talking heads, Elvis Costello, Bob Marley, Grateful > Dead. > 40's Grateful dead, Richard Thompson, Robyn Hitchcock, Miles , > Incredible String band. > I like hundreds of other artists as well, but these are my > main obsessions at the moment. > The other very obvious fact here is that I'm light years away in taste > from many younger list members, but I suppose we are different > generations and ones faves are going to often be what was around at the > time, so those born in the 70's are being exposed to punk and post punk music > rather than psychedelia and folk rock. I also know that theres quite a few > Dead , RT lovers on this list as well and that a fair few of the people into > these bands sound as if they are kids born in the 70's.I wonder did these > folks grow into this music or does it come from their early teen years ? .Rh > seems to attract a quite diverse bunch of tastes and ages. I think this is > mainly because Rh has very skillfully woven together a music that has elements > from acid rock, folk rock, pop and punk which somehow sufficiently attracts > all these weirdos with such varied tastes .No mean achievement. > Dave lang. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #80 ******************************