From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #63 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, February 17 1998 Volume 07 : Number 063 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Brevity is the soul of wit, sometimes [Natalie Jacobs ] Re: that song! [M R Godwin ] Robyn! (but not exactly content) [Capuchin ] Nigel & The Crosses [oskjefte@online.no] tell me about your drugs [Russ Reynolds ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #52 [M R Godwin ] Victor K [Russ Reynolds ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #52 [sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain)] Re: that song! [Russ Reynolds ] Re: SHE-HE-REEEEEEEEEEEE! [Eb ] Feg(mo)nomicon [The Great Quail ] Re: Victor K [Eb ] bad movies [dwdudic@erols.com (luther)] Gloss Fish [Terrence M Marks ] Re: everybody knows my name at the recreation center [kenster@MIT.EDU (Ke] Re: Marxisme, tendence Groucho ["Elizabeth Morgan" ] Re: Marxisme, tendence Groucho [dmw ] Ham and Thoth (bile content 0%) [Nick Winkworth ] Re: Ham and Thoth (bile content 0%) [Tom Clark ] 0%? Who is he kidding? [Eb ] Re: What More Can I Say? [Jon Kanis ] Re: British...intelligence? [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dig] Re: angry young robyns [sdodge@acs.popmail.uchicago.edu (amadain)] Hamlet Scorsese [The Great Quail ] Bile debilking [The Great Quail ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:36:39 -0500 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Brevity is the soul of wit, sometimes Ed drawls, >Dat'd be me, dere Bahb. Sorry Gnat. :::uploading emergency E. >Costello-brand 'Street Cred' pills::: Yez can slap me when I get back to >Chicago. You're on. :) >2. Gnat is in no way affiliated with the United States Navy. She only >wears the Admiral's uniform because it makes here look good. DAMN GOOD. You know it! John Hedges sayeth, >XTC's "Go 2" is, without question, the greatest collection of music ever >recorded. That, of course, was a typo for "English Settlement." (Oops! :) Mr. Dignan from the earth's foot pipes, >>a dislike for Mr. McManus, who, in fact, >>forms a member of my musical Divine Trinity along with Messrs Hitchcock >>and Partridge! > >I've noticed this trinity before, and often wondered why people don't >extend it further to add in Joe Jackson. Only because I haven't heard very much by him - though what I have heard, I've liked. Any suggestions as to an album to start with? I had a dream last night that Dave Davies died. (How alliterative.) I was quite bummed out, as you would be. n. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:52:06 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: that song! > >> Mike Godwin asks: > >> >what is the only song recorded by both the Marx Brothers and the Soft Boys? > On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, luther wrote: > "I LIKE Bananas, BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO BONES!!!!" Right album, wrong song (this is a _clue_!) - - Mike G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:50:45 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Robyn! (but not exactly content) Doing some lyric work this morning... double-checking and stuff. Listened to Somewhere Apart. My lyric sheet looked perfect to me. I listened to it again. And one more time. Damn, that's a good song. I don't know who wrote me the letter a while back (someone on this list) about "Perfect Pop Songs" and how Queen Of Eyes was easily on that list. I agreed. But I'd just like to say that I didn't really understand what you (whoever you were) meant until this morning. Somewhere Apart is Perfect Pop. No doubt about it in my book. Um, one more thing: My friend Ian and I take songs and put them to polka or ska beats all the time. Big favorites include Johnny Cash's I Walk The Line and Juice Newton's Queen Of Hearts. Those two make good polkas, anyway. But this morning I was listening to Somewhere Apart and added a very clear ska guitar in my head. It was SO clear that I broke out my trumpet and added a solo where the lead guitar comes in before the last verse. Then I got yelled at by a neighbor. Don't play your trumpet in an apartment (EVER!) before 7am. People hate that. Awaiting eviction, J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:30:34 +0100 (MET) From: oskjefte@online.no Subject: Nigel & The Crosses On 1989's Green World Tour, R.E.M. ere augmented by former dB Peter Holsapple, and for the March dates they were supported by Robyn Hitchcock & The Egyptians. Peter Buck, Peter Holsapple, Robyn, Andy & Morris took the opportunity toform a sideline fun band called Worse Case Scenario ( or worsT or scenarioS ) in order to play Beatles and Byrds covers. On March 5th ( or 6th ) they staged a benefit show at Cubby Bear's in Chicago, IL, and ran through what Peter Buck with lamentable iaccuracy refers to as "the history of 1965". This set starts off as a Peter Holsapple acoustic show of 9 songs. Later he was joined by the rest of the guys for a 15 songs cover set. This sideband also appeared at First Avenue, Mineapolis, MN on March 8th. This set was mostly Robyn's own songs, but also covers by Band/Beatles/Byrds. Mike Mills from R.E.M. also joined in this ebening. When the tour reached UK, WCS under went a name change to Nigel & the Crosses, ( personally I perfer to name the first band WCS and the 2 last shows N&C, this according to the songs that were played at these occasions ) honouring the former editor of Bucketfull of Brains, which magazine had been an early chanpion of the music of all parties involved. A concert on May 28th at the Borderline, London, UK, featured songs by all the ususal suspects. " tracks recorded here, "Queen of Eyes"/"Foxy Lady", were given away as a single in 1990 with B.O.B. #34. The band went into the studio to record a version of "Wild Mountain Thyme" for the 1989 Imaginary tribute album; Time between: A tribute to the Byrds. Peter Buck has revealed during interviews that they put downan album's woth of material during the course of the session, incl. versions of "Mr. Tambourine Man" and Roxy Music's "Oh Yeah". As far as I know these songs have never been officially released. ( Most of this taken from Marcus Gray's book on R.E.M.: It crawled from the South. If someone can help me find a copy of the Byrds tribute album either on vinyl or CD, I really appreciate it!!!! See ya Ole > >Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:38:42 +0000 >From: "Tery DiSandro" >Subject: Nigel & The Crosses > >Came across a rather odd find over the weekend; an old tape I have of >people doing Byrds covers. > >Robyn's name was listed in the fine print of "courtesy" names under >the flap, but his name wasn't listed on the album at all. Indeed, he >is there! under the monkier Nigel & The Crosses (Eqyptians?). It's >the last tune on the cs; covering "Wild Mountain Tyme" > >Anyone know WHY he didn't label himself, et al under his own name? > >- -Terence > **************************************************************************** **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 98 10:06:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: tell me about your drugs >PLEASE PLEASE ME, *then* SGT. >PEPPER. which is not to say PEPPER ain't a great album. I want some of whatever you've been smoking. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:01:46 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #52 On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, amadain wrote: > I am really > surprised that no one has yet mentioned the most annoying voice EVER, > which belongs to one Frankie Valli. Can't let this go. I'm a huge Four Seasons fan, have been ever since I first heard "Rag Doll". "Let's hang on" is great. "Begging" is great. "Oh what a night" though discoesque, certainly has its moments. And as for that super coda in "I've got you under my skin" where they keep going "Never win, never win, never win, never win" - magic! > The phrase "binge-snorting helium" > sort of brought his "vocals" to mind. I have no idea what made his > recordings so popular at the time, unless it was parental annoyance > potential. You may be confusing him with Michael Jackson. Or Clarence Nash. > Also, anyone from this "school" (e.g., Lou Christie, also possessor of a > most annoying vocal instrument) should definitely get a mention. Well, yes. "Lightning strikes" is really yukky. "I'm gonna knock on your door" by some other wimp (Johnny Crawford?) is equally annoying. But not all 60s records are wobbly - I heard "Rainbow" by the Marmalade on the radio the other day and it sounded terrific. - - Mike Godwin PS My vote goes to that Dement woman. Demented by name and demented by vocal characteristics... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 98 11:12:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Victor K I noticed that Victor Krunchenmuncher [I have no idea how this man's name is spelled or prounounced at this juncture, so that's the best interpretation you're gonna get] is listed in the "thanks" department on Perspex Island but doesn't appear in any of the musician credits. He is (or was), if I'm not mistaken, the violinist for Camper Van Beethoven, is (was) he not? Does anyone happen to know the nature of his relationship with Hitchcock as it pertains to that album? Thinking back, I believe the Monks of Doom may have opened a couple of shows for the Egyptians about that time--was VK in the Monks? Because other than that I am not aware of any connection between Hitchcock and CVB. - -rr "surfer ghost" has been running through my head since Saturday morning. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:33:51 -0600 (CST) From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #52 >Can't let this go. I'm a huge Four Seasons fan, have been ever since I >first heard "Rag Doll". "Let's hang on" is great. "Begging" is great. "Oh >what a night" though discoesque, certainly has its moments. Well, actually the songs themselves are admittedly for the most part pretty catchy, if ultimately lightweight. I just really dislike his voice. And "Oh What A Night" is ok, since he isn't doing the "voice that only dogs can truly hear" on that one. I'll cop also to a certain bias against the particular sound in question (I don't know the name for it- I think at the time it was called "Philly sound" but nowadays when you say that people are talking about Gamble & Huff), because I feel there's a certain "race element" in there- e.g., artists like the Four Seasons, Paul Anka, Neil Sedaka, et al. were record companies' white alternative to the black forms of doo-wop and soul, a more subtle try at "Pat Boone-ism". I feel strongly that Dion and the Belmonts were pretty much the only white group singers in that style with any serious credibility at that point in time (leaving aside the mixed Del-Vikings), though of course Dion abandoned that style for "folk-singing" (and he wasn't half-bad; try if you can to track down "Bronx Blues", some surprisingly credible and soulful work there). >Well, yes. "Lightning strikes" is really yukky. It doesn't have a patch on "Rhapsody in the Rain". He'd be the apotheosis of tacky if anyone aside from a handful of oldies station programmers even remembered him (oldies 104.3 here in Chicago plays him incessantly for some unknown reason, but then ths is the same station that for the most part eschews Chuck Berry in favor of Johnny Rivers remakes). As it is, he's justly forgotten *wipes brow*. > "I'm gonna knock on your door" by some other wimp (Johnny Crawford?) is >>equally annoying. And don't forget Randy and the Rainbows' lameass attempt at Buddy Holly meets The Four Seasons, "Denise". Or anything by the Buckinghams. Or that classic of smarm, "Young Girl". Or that really icky "Take a Letter Maria" (I'm not sure if that counts here, since I believe it's actually early 70s). Yuck, I'm making myself ill. >But not >all 60s records are wobbly - I heard "Rainbow" by the Marmalade on the >radio the other day and it sounded terrific. Who said all 60s records were wobbly? It wasn't me. Most of my favorite albums were recorded in '66-7 :). Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 98 12:42:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: that song! ======== Original Message ======== > >> Mike Godwin asks: > >> >what is the only song recorded by both the Marx Brothers and the Soft Boys? > On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, luther wrote: > "I LIKE Bananas, BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO BONES!!!!" Right album, wrong song (this is a _clue_!) - - Mike G. ======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== white shoe blues? Horns Large Horns? Book of love? Okay, I'm gonna go with "Book of Love",maybe during one of those later Marx Brothers films which I have trouble sitting through. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:27:27 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: SHE-HE-REEEEEEEEEEEE! >Can't let this go. I'm a huge Four Seasons fan, have been ever since I >first heard "Rag Doll". "Let's hang on" is great. "Begging" is great. "Oh >what a night" though discoesque, certainly has its moments. And as for >that super coda in "I've got you under my skin" where they keep going >"Never win, never win, never win, never win" - magic! Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. You blast Sgt. Pepper and now call the Four Seasons "magic"? Lord, give me strength. ;) >PS My vote goes to that Dement woman. Demented by name and demented by >vocal characteristics... Actually, I *like* her voice. Sure, it's sorta annoying, but it gets under your skin and communicates. Uniqueness is usually a good thing. And a few of her songs are really beautiful a la Randy Newman.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 98 17:47:32 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Feg(mo)nomicon Hello! A small update on the Feg Directory: 1. Bayard and I are in Official Contact. Heck, we are even talking on the *phone* can you imagine that? We are going to whip us up a great Feg Directory, based on his wizardly skills at database technology and my peckgnds in the HTML berrypatch. When we are done, we hope to have the Feg Directory of the Gods. Searchable, cross-references, etc. 2. The name is still up in the air. My Lovecraftian jones proposed Fegmonomicon, and more than a few folks liked that -- surprised me. You people are *sick.* So we'll probably keep that, although Natalia Yakovna pointed out that "Fegnomicon" is shorter and more to the point, although it is not as funny to say after you've mastered the pronounciation. We'll see. . . . 3. The sample page is still at: www.rpg.net/quail/fegmania/sample.html No more questions have bubbled in, so if you haven't already, take a few peeks at it and let me know what you think. 4. The only category that is causing any hesitation is the address category, for very understandable reasons. Let me re-emphasize, no one needs to answer any questions they do not feel comfortable with! Thoth is an understanding patron. . . . 5. Thanks to all you who sent in a page already; but I ask that the rest of you wait until we make another announcement. We should be good to go in a month or so. 6. Personal Plug: my small Robyn page (www.rpg.net/quail/fegmania) has been slightly expanded, and I have put my (very modest) tape collection online. I have also -- with Mike Runion's help -- compiled a list of Feg homepages -- almost two dozen links to our homepages. I have been having a lot of fun browsing Feg homepages lately, and my! we are a diverse lot. The Feg Links are also on my page, in case you are interested. . . . and if anyone wants to be removed, let me know. Thanks, - --Quail - ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | Literature Site - The Libyrinth: TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth www.rpg.net/quail | Vampire Site - New York by Night: riverrun Discordian Society | www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:46:46 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Victor K >I noticed that Victor Krunchenmuncher [I have no idea how this man's name is >spelled or prounounced at this juncture, so that's the best interpretation >you're gonna get] is listed in the "thanks" department on Perspex Island but >doesn't appear in any of the musician credits. He is (or was), if I'm not >mistaken, the violinist for Camper Van Beethoven, is (was) he not? Does >anyone happen to know the nature of his relationship with Hitchcock as it >pertains to that album? Thinking back, I believe the Monks of Doom may have >opened a couple of shows for the Egyptians about that time--was VK in the >Monks? Because other than that I am not aware of any connection between >Hitchcock and CVB. Victor *Krummenacher* was the BASSIST in CVB. Jonathan Segel (and later, Morgan Fichter) was the violinist. And yes, Krummenacher played fretted bass. ;) Boy, I miss that band. Cracker is a poor, poor substitute. I wouldn't know the Krummenacher/Hitchcock connection. Perhaps both dudes were spending a lot of time in San Francisco during that time, and had bonded. I met Krummenacher twice, once around 1986 and once about two years later. The first time, he was incredibly nice and actually gave his home phone number (his mom's place! :)) to a DJ pal of mine who wanted to set up an interview. The second time I met him, he was surly and jaded. Ah, the cost of show-biz.... Come to think of it, that CVB show in 1986 was among the first 10-12 shows I ever saw, and only my third "club" show ever (following the Minutemen and the Replacements the year before). In other news: There's a big record swapmeet near me once a month. I usually go, and look for old '60s relics and that sort of thing. (Jeez, I wish that girl didn't want FIFTY dollars for An Evening With Wild Man Fischer....) Every month, there's a special guest from the past who's signing autographs and chatting with the fans. This month's meet is on the 22nd, and the guest is...Lou Christie. Anyone who wishes to get an autographed air-raid siren, please contact me privately. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:12:34 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther) Subject: bad movies On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 03:25:12 -0500 (EST), you wrote: > >Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:46:16 -0500 >From: tanter >Subject: Titanic again... > >All this conversation back and forth just reinforces my belief that it's >just a BAD MOVIE! so, is it eligible to be made foun of on that show with the robots? :-) Those who liked it seem to have been blown away by the >graphics and effects more than anything else--with a few votes for the >sappy love story. Well, just remember, 'Twister' had basically no meat to it, but the special effects fooled people into thinking it great... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:15:04 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Gloss Fish 1) Gloss Fish is expanding to 3 tapes. If you wouldn like to contribute to this, let me know immediately. 2) What is Gloss Fish? It's original materials by the contributors of Glass Flesh, and original material by people who didn't contribute also. If you want a copy, email me (tape tree. leaf or branch) Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:19:31 -0500 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: Re: everybody knows my name at the recreation center >there were a few movies I loathed this year . . . "Batman & Robin" tops >the list! Ah, Tim, I miss ye!> >to be fair, quail, Batman Returns was pretty shitty, too. Batman >Forever was one of the worst movies i've ever seen (ranking with Forrest >Gimp and Jurassic Park,) and there was no way in hell i was gonna even >come *close* to seeing Batman & Robin. but, tim has only made one >really great movie since 1990. 'course, gilliam's only made one really >great movie since 1984, and merry martin only one since 1988... let's take a look at this. by the way, who's merry martin? scorsese? i put asterisks next to the ones i think are great. Tim Burton: Director filmography (1990s) (1980s) 1.Superman Lives (1999) 2.Mars Attacks! (1996) * 3.Ed Wood (1994) 4.Batman Returns (1992) Terry Giliam: Director filmography (1990s) (1980s) (1970s) 1.Defective Detective (1999) 2.Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (1998) * 3.Twelve Monkeys (1995) * 4.Fisher King, The (1991) 5.Adventures of Baron Munchausen, The (1989) * 6.Brazil (1985) Martin Scorsese Director filmography (1990s) (1980s) (1970s) (1960s) (1950s) 1.Dino (1998) 2.Kundun (1997) * 3.Casino (1995) 4."Personal Journey with Martin Scorsese Through American Movies, A" (1995) 5.Age of Innocence, The (1993) * 6.Cape Fear (1991) * 7.GoodFellas (1990) 8.Made in Milan (1990) 9.New York Stories (1989) >which brings us back around to the coens. they're on an untouchable >roll, right now. The Big Lebowski is coming! i even saw a commercial >for it the other night. luckily, i had the sound turned down, and, once >i realized what it was, i changed the channel real quick like. i don't >wanna know *anything* about a new coens movie before i go to see it. i can't go see a movie unless i know something about it. usually i can tell from the movie preview whether i want to see it or not. especially when i'd be paying bocu bucks to see it. >in fact, when was the last time you could say the three best shows in >prime time were all animated? (Simpsons, King Of The Hill, South Park.) strange and marvelous times that we're living in, eh? >this has been a very shitty post, both content-wise and grammar-wise. >and i'm proud of it, godammit! whoa, don't freak out dude. KEN ;____--\ ;! |--__ ,/~~~-___---- / \_, / \ /" \ /" .:::::::::::. \ .I: /=::=========== == I; !:==== == / \ / \,""=="==: .| / \/ \. | | | # | # | '| | | / \ | | |, \ / \ /" | . | "''" "''" /#_ ,/ "-; // \ ,/ \ $$$$$%* // "\. ,/____ "\ --- ,' ,---"\ / \ "\, /" _/ |, / \ "'"-.________.-" / \ | | O | | | | I | |_I | | /-" O | \ /" "_____/ | "---" L__ O | .________---| | ------____________L____J | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:04:26 PST From: "Elizabeth Morgan" Subject: Re: Marxisme, tendence Groucho >>>> Hmm... I was going to say "Vyrna Knowl is a Headbanger," but I guess >>it's "A >>>> Most Peculiar Voice," isn't it? >>"We Like Bananas"? Or has someone already guessed that? >My guess is "Everyone says I Love You" Huh? I know the the first 3 songs, but when did the Soft Boys do "Everyone says I Love You"? Can someone post the lyrics? My imagination is running wild! Elizabeth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:14:28 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: Marxisme, tendence Groucho uh, "Heartbreak Hotel a la Cale??" - -- d. - - oh,no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmayowel@access.digex.net - - and dmw@mwmw.com ... get yr pathos at http://www.pathetic-caverns.com/ - - new reviews! tunes, books, flicks, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:23:28 -0800 From: Nick Winkworth Subject: Ham and Thoth (bile content 0%) Quail; Your idea of Robyn as Hamlet is *inspired*! I'm sick of the prevailing assumption that "stars" have to be cast in Hollywood's Shakespeare productions just to draw the punters. I count Billy Crystal's gravedigger among the worst examples - but really nothing could be as bad as Keanu Reeves in Branagh's "Much Ado". Robyn would bring just the right brooding intensity and give an eerie credibility to Hamlet's flashes of lucid imagination and oblique references to the truth of his condition. Demme's next project after Storefront is an unexpected smash hit, perhaps? The Jackson/Robyn axis? I can see some similarities between early JJ and EC, I think. I really liked some of Jackson's earlier work. ("Is She Really Going Out With Him" is a timeless classic IMHO). What I've seen from Mr. Jackson recently has been more experimental than most - on the edge of "modern classical" even. Interesting, but a far cry from RH. Which Morris? Windsor of course!! (Johnny did all those irritating animal voices.) Eddie and the burning Thoths? Didn't they just sign to Warner Bros.? (If any Seattlelites are planning to stop off in the Golden State on their way to Texas, lemme know.) And in the "now't so queer as folk" category... You'll never guess what happened! I'm on this internet mailing list, right, and there was this one guy who used to always post bile-filled personal insults and wind everyone up. Well, for the past few month's he's been great. Less bile. More humor. Some interesting content. OK to have around. I was even moved to write something *in support* of one of his posts (even though it was a bit negative about the list). Sure, I tried to dress it up with a little humor - and I know my posts usually make as about much sense as a Jane Campion movie - but guess what. He takes it as a huge insult and posts a bile-o-gram unworthy of an average secondary school kid. In public too! Exactly the sort of thing that I was trying to support the guy for *not* doing! Thank God the Feg list isn't like that... Maybe I should take some creative writing tips from Capuchin. It'll probably take a while before I'm tuned in to the peculiar humor of this list. ~N (Brought to you today by Gas-Ex and Geritol) P.S. Please send my "free one" to woj - he deserves it more than I do. ...Oh and check out my new band at http://www.onefoot.com/ ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 98 17:49:13 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Ham and Thoth (bile content 0%) On 2/17/98 5:23 PM, Nick Winkworth wrote: > ...Oh and check out my new band at http://www.onefoot.com/ ;) Listen to it too: http://www.audionet.com/jukebox/ram/O/OneFootGrave_Embalmer.ram You rock, Nick! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:48:27 -0700 From: Eb Subject: 0%? Who is he kidding? >I was even moved to write something *in support* of one of >his posts (even though it was a bit negative about the list). Sure, I >tried to dress it up with a little humor - and I know my posts usually >make as about much sense as a Jane Campion movie - but guess what. He >takes it as a huge insult and posts a bile-o-gram unworthy of an average >secondary school kid. In public too! Exactly the sort of thing that I >was trying to support the guy for *not* doing! Thank God the Feg list >isn't like that... The above is disingenuous crap, and you know it. Congratulate yourself for disguising your barbs at me with dainty drollery or whatever, but don't pretend for a *moment* that the subtext wasn't there. Yeah, you're "supporting" me by cattily suggesting that I must wish Valentine's Day would return to its previous insult-based nature, by accusing me of being just as oneuppish as anyone else, by snorting at how I pull "typical critics' ploys" and by being "actually proud" not to know any of the names on my annoying-singer test (which, of course, was based mostly on non-muso bands that a chord-counting proggie like you sneers at). And meanwhile, you patronizingly pat me on the head for showing more humor, as if I may be finally "coming along" toward human-being status. Yeah, yeah. With friends like you.... You could've had a freebie.... Eb, bullsh*t detector clanging loudly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:43:52 -0800 (PST) From: Jon Kanis Subject: Re: What More Can I Say? Dear Fegs: Having been (mostly) away from the Internet for the better part of the last five weeks whilst traveling across the US and flying across the pond to Amsterdam I have come back to virtual reality to find over five hundred messages in my box, 95% of them from the fegs. Mostly talking about the Kinks, Morrissey, Depression, The X-Files and the Film. It is awful that the damn thing is being pushed back until the fall. But if you've got the cash, SXSW is a cool event with or without a Hitchcock film to attend. While I was travelling I almost got to meet some fegs along the way (Steve in Dallas, who was cool, Bret in Dallas who ended up flaking out on me) but I did learn whilst in Austin of the magazine Pop Culture Press and the back issue that has Robyn on the cover of their magazine (article penned by my Austin host Kent Benjamin) and a CD included that has Robyn singing "Carloline Knows" live from a radio broadcast. Don't know if this is old news, but the disc sounds great and is worth digging up if you can find it. Also at Kent's I heard (finally) the Beautiful Homer promo disc and it sounds quite great (I was told that it was copied from the bootleg - untrue to my ears). Worth whatever you might have to pay for a copy I suppose. A tape is fine for me at the moment. On the bus cross country I enjoyed listening to Lobsterman's wonderful Uncarved Pumpkins cassette. "Gigolo Aunt" is fabulous. When I was in NYC I finally caught up with some "new" music. Unfortunately when most people posted their lists at the end of '97 I sadly realized that I hadn't even HEARD ten new LPs, let alone heard enough to warrent the weeding out of a list. I have become completely taken with Beck's ODELAY and the production by the Dust Brothers: absolutely brilliant. Wilco's Being There has some real gems as well. The other side of that coin is that also heard that Dan Bern disc and it sounds pretty weak to these ears. You can't please everybody I guess... Also fell in love with the Seal album from 1994 whilst I was at the Cyber Cafe in Amsterdam. Very slick production (what do you want from Trevor Horn), but the songs and singing are great. Just a few observations. Playing was great, shows went well and I met a lot of cool people along the way (sold a fair number of tapes too). Thanks to everybody that I ran into. Thanks again to Lobsterman for putting together the Christmas tape. Sorry I missed getting together with woj and Bayard, but my schedule went haywire. And I missed chatting with Eddie. Now, back to cleaning out my box. Only 397 more to go... Jon _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:30:14 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: British...intelligence? > You met Morris? i;m sorry, But I think he is incredibly cool... > him and the "the day the universe changed" guy... > Such intelligence is generally looked down upon on > this side of the drink, from what I have seen so far... James Burke, IIRC. Britain does a good line in these blokes (rarely if ever blokesses, I note...): James Burke, Desmond Morris, David Attenborough, Magnus Pike, David Bellamy, and the unstoppable Patrick Moore to name but a few. >Oddly enough, Month Python [...] counts for 50% Canadian content all together now!: "oh, he's a lumberjack and he's OK..." ;) NZ has similar problems. Believe it or not, Crowded House was never played on commercial radio in NZ until they got into the charts in the UK and US! As for local TV, forget it. It's almost undiluted effluent, unless you're a fan of wildlife documentaries, sport, or Shortland Street (NZ's most successful soap) James ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:04:11 -0600 From: sdodge@acs.popmail.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: angry young robyns > Well, Susan, I take a LOT of his lyrics at the time to be >sarcastic, and also cynical.. Actually, what I meant by that was that it was scornful disdain towards the idea a girl wouldn't really need a brain, thus that wasn't exactly a good example of misogyny. Perhaps "Empty Girl", although again, I also took that as being directed at a specific woman (there are some bitter tunes there on "Invisible Hits") who was a part of some relationship disaster that happened around that time. I don't know enough about Robyn's personal romantic history to say definitively, just an informed guess given the lyrics on IH and UM. >.yet this sarcasm wasn't there for most >of the Egyptians work... > > hum...... > > I got it! It was all Kimberly's fault!!! :-) *LOL* I think Mr. RH was just a fairly bitter, cynical person at that point in time, as a lot of disappointed idealists are at a young age :). Leaving the Soft Boys does seem to have ameliorated that condition, so maybe in a way you're right, since the interpersonal tension between the two of them seems to have been pretty intense for a long time. A lot of it though, IMHO, was I think just a function of growing up a bit :). Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 98 00:43:09 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Hamlet Scorsese Nick writes, >Quail; Your idea of Robyn as Hamlet is *inspired*! Thank you! I must confess that I stole it from a rare BBC musical performance of Hamlet starring Robyn. I thought all you other Fegs must have had a copy . . .? I know me and Sean do: The one with Bob Dylan as Polonius, John Wesley Harding as Horatio, Tori Amos as Ophelia, Lou and Laurie as Claudius and Gertrude, Brian Eno as the Gravedigger, and Beck as both Rosencrantz and Guildenstern? >I'm sick of the >prevailing assumption that "stars" have to be cast in Hollywood's >Shakespeare productions just to draw the punters. I count Billy >Crystal's gravedigger among the worst examples - I don't know, Nick . . . I hate Billy crystal, and yet I liked him in Hamlet. I thought he added the perfect touch as the Gravedigger, that rough comedic element that Shakespeare was so fond of. Now I loved Branagh's "Hamlet," but it had one flaw -- and that was Jack Lemon, who was simply terrible, in my opinion. And again, I'm not sure I would throw Hamlet in there with Hollywood . . . that was another sweat and blood kind of thing, and you saw how much "Hollywood" noticed it. (I am speaking wryly of the Academy.) God, doesn't the Academy SUCK in any way you look at it? Heh. You said "punters." I've always loved that word. I wish I were English, so I could use their slang words -- I mean, Bollocks! Those wankers have the bloody fuckin' most brilliant shite, they do. Takes the piss right out of me. >Robyn would bring just the right brooding intensity and give an eerie >credibility to Hamlet's flashes of lucid imagination and oblique >references to the truth of his condition. Very true -- I would love to see him as the eerie "surreal Hamlet." >Demme's next project after Storefront is an unexpected smash hit, >perhaps? As long as it is not as heavy-handed as "Philadelphia!" Ken writes, >Martin Scorsese >Director filmography >(1990s) (1980s) (1970s) (1960s) (1950s) > > 1.Dino (1998) > 2.Kundun (1997) >* 3.Casino (1995) > 4."Personal Journey with Martin Scorsese Through American Movies, A" >(1995) > 5.Age of Innocence, The (1993) >* 6.Cape Fear (1991) >* 7.GoodFellas (1990) > 8.Made in Milan (1990) > 9.New York Stories (1989) I personally would asterisk "Kundun," one of my top ten of 1997. But let;s not forget "Last Temptation of Christ," which stands as one of my all-time favorite movies, and in my opinion, one of Martin's unmitigated masterworks. Please, I do not wish to start a "Last Temptation of Hamlet" thread, just chiming in. . . . - --Quail - ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | Literature Site - The Libyrinth: TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth www.rpg.net/quail | Vampire Site - New York by Night: riverrun Discordian Society | www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 98 00:43:12 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Bile debilking Nick writes, >And in the "now't so queer as folk" category... >You'll never guess what happened! I'm on this internet mailing list, >right, and there was this one guy who used to always post bile-filled >personal insults and wind everyone up. Well, for the past few month's >he's been great. Less bile. More humor. Some interesting content. OK to >have around. I was even moved to write something *in support* of one of >his posts (even though it was a bit negative about the list). Sure, I >tried to dress it up with a little humor - and I know my posts usually >make as about much sense as a Jane Campion movie - but guess what. He >takes it as a huge insult and posts a bile-o-gram unworthy of an average >secondary school kid. In public too! Exactly the sort of thing that I >was trying to support the guy for *not* doing! Thank God the Feg list >isn't like that... Yes, thank God. Because if it were, I would have to say that the aforementioned "bile-filled" party is not solely responsible for this sort of thing continuing, but was perhaps baited by the other party, who is well acquainted with the spectrum of the other's possible reactions . . . but since I am a *very* friendly sort, who would certainly read everyone's posts, and who would probably really like *both* parties a whole lot, I would feel neutral enough to call attention to the fact that neither party is entirely blameless, and things like the above quoted text can only bode ill if we want to realize that distant dream of rolling en masse across the world in Feg Vans and peacefully burning nonbelievers in big Wicker-Thoths. . . . >Maybe I should take some creative writing tips from Capuchin. It'll >probably take a while before I'm tuned in to the peculiar humor of this >list. Capuchin? That guy who likes disembodied heads and yet calls me "sick" and "wrong" for wanting to leap onto a sinking ship to foolishly save my loved one, openly eats quail eggs, and takes frequent trips to Down Under just to beat on wombats and platypi? Jeez. Next you will want to take lessons from that Great Quail fellow on how to stay on topic, discuss Robyn threads only, and refrain from posting wankingly self-indulgent bits of half-baked sophomoric surrealism! What an interesting List that would be. . . . - --TGQ, always trying to keep the peace, lest we become as humorless as the Natalie Merchant List. PS: Um, providing such a List *exists,* that is. PPS: Capuchin, don't worry about teasing me back. I already know that you contribute generously to the Battered Wallaby Fund, and you really do like Love Songs, you just don't want to damage your rep on the Morissey List. . . . PPPS: I "debilking" a word? - ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | Literature Site - The Libyrinth: TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth www.rpg.net/quail | Vampire Site - New York by Night: riverrun Discordian Society | www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #63 ******************************