From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #60 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, February 16 1998 Volume 07 : Number 060 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: everybody knows my name but nobody names my nose [delavina@juno.com (] love,love,love, that's like hypnotising chickens. [dwdudic@erols.com (lut] Falco [Ross Overbury ] Positive Vibrations [The Great Quail ] Re: Bob: 40% Beatles: 30% Others: 10% Conspiracy: 20% Titanic and [No] Faugh! [Natalie Jane Jacobs ] Positive Calamity ["Chris, the missing years." ] Re: love,love,love, that's like hypnotising chickens. [Terrence M Marks <] SXSW wristbands (kate winslet content: 0%) [Carole Reichstein ] Re: Faugh! [Eb ] too many subjects to sensibly mention here, although I might be able to get the longest subject line I've seen for a while if I *did* list them all [] Re: Bob: 0% Beatles: 55% Others: 45% Conspiracy: 0% and I won't even me [MARKEEFE@aol.] Re: Bob: 0% Beatles: 55% Others: 45% Conspiracy: 0% and I won't even me [Terrence M Marks ] re: something. Cranky post. Robynless (I think) [Capuchin ] Kate W: Swamped Ophelia -- RH Content(!) [shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunt] Re: Gloss Fish Tape Tree [Nick Winkworth ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 03:06:03 EST From: delavina@juno.com (chris franz) Subject: Re: everybody knows my name but nobody names my nose socialism blew: >couple comments regarding last month's largo shows. >firstly, they were just about AMAZING! definitely tree material, if >you ask me. >also, robyn mentioned both, "browning," and, "fontanel." he's gotta >be lurking, doesn't he? He and Tim even talked about Titanic and Kate Winslet in there too. Of course, that was before the Titanic thread, but... I'd be stunned if Robyn actually were to even lurk here, but he must get plenty of info second-hand from people like Jim Neill and those at Antwoman. IIRC Jim Neill was spotted at Largo both in January and November. Anyway, the LA Weekly indicates that Grant Lee Phillips will be at Largo next Saturday the 21st. There's been no indication he will be sharing the stage (or even the *continent*) with Robyn, but in the past these Largo shows have come with little advance notice. And they've been doing lots of studio work together. We'll see if details are mentioned in Sunday's LA Times or the next LA Weekly, due Thursday. - - Chris _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:51:50 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther) Subject: love,love,love, that's like hypnotising chickens. On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 03:25:12 -0500 (EST), somebody wrote: >To further flog the dead horse of the Winslet thread - surely it's no >surprise that most men are NOT obsessed by the advertiser's constant >imaging of the Barbie(tm)-like figure. You may have noticed that despite >the fact that most real people DON'T look like that they somehow manage >to have husbands/boyfreinds/lovers etc. > > (/PC mode (hah!) off) not in the least. 'Em lasses could do with a bit > of meat on them. More to grapple with, if you get my drift, as well as > looking good. And it is nice to have a conversation occasionally, too, > preferably one that is intelligent. A few comfy bulges and a bit of > brain power are excellent in a woman. Um... why is it that all the men who feel this way seem to live several thousand miles away and/or are married? Not all of us are! ;-I Here's a question: Does anybody know what happened in between the Soft Boys and the Egyptians? It seems to me that Robyn was, well, a bit bitter towards women (c'mon, "you don't really need a brain, if your'e a girl?") with the Soft Boys, but most of that was gone by the time of Fegmania! What happened? >The only people who seem to buy in to this manufactured image are rock >stars and such who like to have someone on their arm they think *other >people* will envy. You've only to read the papers to discover what a >successful strategy for a happy life *that* is. "But if you don't love yourself/ then whats the point of someone else/ loving you?" -hey, Robyn content! ........ it isn't. it's already been renewed for at least one more (making it an even 10 seasons). Really? I had heard they were ending it to make way for... ..."THE SIMPSONS (first) MOVIE!" Seriously! .......... > >"He was a great pop star," said Ilse Kraus, 75, clutching two long-stemmed > >pink roses to lay on his grave. "There was Mozart, Schubert and Falco." Umm... Apart from his 80s hits, what did Falco do? (Asking out of sheer ignorance, of course) Uh, turn oxygen into carbon dioxide which plants need to survive? :+) Off to bed again, If I can sleep. -luther n.p.- Songs of the People: Cherokee Dances ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 98 11:06:23 EST From: Ross Overbury Subject: Falco > > >"He was a great pop star," said Ilse Kraus, 75, clutching two long-stemmed > > >pink roses to lay on his grave. "There was Mozart, Schubert and Falco." > > Umm... > Apart from his 80s hits, what did Falco do? > (Asking out of sheer ignorance, of course) He carried Bastien to the castle of the Childlike Empress. Did he sing, too? - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 98 12:44:15 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Positive Vibrations Here's a bunch of replies, for those that still care about threads past the expiration date. *Eddie says: > but, wouldn't that be somethin' if we had >this freakin' *fleet* of vehicles, with big thoths painted on the hoods, >rolling through texas? Eddie . . . that would be the coolest freaking thing in the world. . . . kicking up a cloud of dust . . . the sun setting on our caravan . . . God, I would love to have a Feggin' convoy! Just think of the evenings, when we park and gather 'round the campires to sing Feg songs, cooking beans and watching shooting stars. . . . Ahh . . . we have our dreams . . . *Capuchin remarks, regarding lovely ladies: >Me, personally, I'd say that the shape is negligible. It's all above the >neck and behind the eyes in my book. I agree, Capuchin! Some of my best relationships have been with severed heads. Must have been too may Saturday Morning Monster Movies, and I am a *chemist* after all -- I even own a fully equipped lab, mwa-ha ha ha! But the "behind the eyes" part, wow -- Even *I* don't go that far; plus once you have them re-animated in a tank of green glowing fluid, if they can't bat their eyelashes at you alluringly, what's the point? (Wait, Mark's acting up again. I need to make him a girlfriend, and fast. . . ) *The Mad Monk also illuminates: >By the way, did anyone else notice that there's no chance in hell those >were DiCaprio's hands drawing that picture? They're way older. WAY >older and bigger. True -- they were Cameron's hands, and it was Cameron's drawing. A small in-joke, or sonmething like that. I didn't catch it like Capuch did, but my wife caught it. Right away. Hm. Makes me wonder about how closely she's been studying Leo DiCaprio. . . . *Natalie asks: >Quail, I will get started on the Hellraiser Eb action figure post-haste - I >just need some time off work so I can sneak over to the hospital and steal >some surgical equipment. "To think I . . . hesitated." (HR II: Not the best of the series, but contains that great movie line!) *Hal, about the dead cast of Twin Peaks: >The hotel waiter and the mayor of old age, Dept. Andy (Harry Goaz) of >AIDS, and Frank Silva (BOB) of heart problems, I believe. Annie (Heather >Graham) isn't dead, just rollerskating (Boogie Nights). And let's not forget the one closest to Lynch's heart: Jack Nance, who was in every single Lynch movie, died recently from injuries sustained in a fight in a donut shop. It was a black day for all us "Eraserhead" fans. *Susan: >But I can't agree. It's a great album, >though by no means deserving of the fulsome praise that's been heaped upon >it ("a great moment in Western Civilization"????). "Revolver" and "Abbey >Road" are much stronger records. I agree with Susan to an extent, but would like to add something. For those of you who are Pepper nyetsayers and distractors: Listen to a whole lot of pop music from the time preceding SP. I mean, days and days of it, from the fifties all the way up. Then permit yourself "Revolver." Mmmmm .. . . feel it? Then allow yourself a bit of the pre-Pepper good stuff. . . . then . . . throw on Sergeant Pepper and *forget* all that would come after: simply forget everything from Robyn and XTC to Beck and Adrian Belew, forget Oasis and Blur, forget it all, none of it exists yet: and just listen, listen with new ears. . . . *That's* why SP is so important, and maybe not as good as some other Beatles records, but perhaps more *important.* *Ross writes, >We've all had plenty of time to make up our minds about SP, so I'm >not expecting to make any converts here. Saying everybody should like >it is like saying everbody should like Guinness. Um, and what exactly is wrong with that statement? Surely, Ross, you are not implying. . . . oh my God, could it be that . . . there are those that do not . . . like . . . I can't go on. *Eddie inquires: >and while we're on the subject of robyn, i notice from quail's fledgling >website that robyn is his favorite artist. right on, brudda! i thought >you'd previously said u2, rush, and king crimson were your faves. did >robyn at #1 just go without saying, or have you reworked your >priorities? Well, I like about 100 artists, easily -- which makes me on par with the rest of you, I guess. It is *very* hard cming up with favorites -- many things interfere, like current mood (emotional weather), long term mood (emotional climate) and even loyalty (emotional history.). All in all, Robyn is my hands down Absolute Favorite. I will not repeat long past posts on why, suffice it to say that I grok his music like I grok no other's. After that, my "favorites" include King Crimson, U2, David Bowie, and Rush. But they are only slightly ahead of Bob Dylan, Hawkwind, and Jethro Tull. . . . and that's not even mentioning Brian Eno, Lou Reed, Laurie Anderson, and -- well, then it just degenerates into more favorites. Gah. We need more words for "favorite." Various but important distinctions, like the Eskimo language has for different types of snow, Arabic for sand, and Gaelic for drunkeness, and Welsh for conspiracy. *James Says: >Of course, as homes go, it resembles the Addams Family mansion, but that's >another story. Ah, a new metaphor for the masses, now that the Lord of the Rings one is no longer active! [[Prepare for a Threadbait]] -- so who best suits the principle cast members? *James says some more: >I could probably >come up with a short-list: the Beatles' contender would be Rubber Soul. But >I couldn't point blank say "that is my favourite". It would mean denying. . . > And that's without starting on the New Zealand albums... I'd >need a crate to take to my desert island, full of CDs... James -- you live in New Zealand. I mean, wouldn't listing your favorite CD's as desert island disks be a bit, um, redundant in your case? (Just kidding, my platypusless friend!) - --Quail - ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | Literature Site - The Libyrinth: TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth www.rpg.net/quail | Vampire Site - New York by Night: riverrun Discordian Society | www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 19:23:20 +0200 From: Noah Shalev Subject: Re: Bob: 40% Beatles: 30% Others: 10% Conspiracy: 20% Titanic and Ross Overbury wrote: > > > Does *anyone* else have Sgt. Pepper down for their favourite album of > > all time? I don't think you can deny it it's place in history - that > > *is* simply the way people reacted to it and the praise that's been > > heaped upon it. But I really rate albums on being *albums*, and to my > > ears, Sgt. Pepper works as an album much better than Revolver or Abbey > > Road. Revolver has some great songs, and a good sound... but as an > > album, it just comes across as a collection of those songs. Abbey Road > > side one suffers the same thing, and side two doesn't have the great > > songs in the segue. Sgt. Pepper has just about everything... > > consistently good songs, a great sound and atmosphere, the effects, the > > packaging... it's just really the feel of the album. It's one of the > > only albums I can put on and get completely lost in for forty minutes. > > And yes, I even like Within You Without You. > I would'nt pick either of them as my favourite beatles album.(they both don't come close to abbey road or the beatles greatest the white album, yet, revolver is still the worlds first psycadelic album. while sgt, is not any thing that wasn't before. the only thing contributed by this album, much as the main contribution of the beatles themselves. was the public reaction to it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:21:33 -0500 (EST) From: Natalie Jane Jacobs Subject: Faugh! Eb blasphemes: >Natalie wrote: >> Um... why is it that all the men who feel this way seem to live several >> thousand miles away and/or are married? (pout) >It's tough finding a guy when you're a Costello hater, isn't it? ;) *choke* *sputter* You have grossly misinterpreted my statements, young man! Nowhere in my tiny correspondence with this list have I ever, in any way, shape, or form, indicated a dislike for Mr. McManus, who, in fact, forms a member of my musical Divine Trinity along with Messrs Hitchcock and Partridge! You have humiliated me! I am outraged! I demand reparation! I propose that the duel take place tomorrow at dawn. I will let the choice of weapons be yours. May the best person win. n., who wants "Shallow Grave" played at her funeral, should the outcome be unfavorable... p.s. It's *Bob Dylan* I hate... jeez... :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:07:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Chris, the missing years." Subject: Positive Calamity On Sun, 15 Feb 1998, The Great Quail wrote: > *Eddie says: > > but, wouldn't that be somethin' if we had > >this freakin' *fleet* of vehicles, with big thoths painted on the hoods, > >rolling through texas? > > Eddie . . . that would be the coolest freaking thing in the world. . . . > kicking up a cloud of dust . . . the sun setting on our caravan . . . > God, I would love to have a Feggin' convoy! Just think of the evenings, Oh, yeah! That would be *real* cute. Just imagine the other southern tradition that involves things in hoods. A whole bunch of people pulling up in these cars with hooded figures on the car and just saying "We're hear to see the movie." As if it were some sort of American right they were claiming and to have somehow have lost, which can only be regained en masse with a hooded posse! Y'all would be on the news--that is fer sure. After that you could sell the cars to some Klan border patrol group... Although, it would be a laugh to see this happen in real life and the whole idea come unglued real quick--where's my camera?? .chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:46:35 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: love,love,love, that's like hypnotising chickens. > Here's a question: Does anybody know what happened in between > the Soft Boys and the Egyptians? It seems to me that Robyn was, well, > a bit bitter towards women (c'mon, "you don't really need a brain, if > your'e a girl?") with the Soft Boys, but most of that was gone by the > time of Fegmania! What happened? My guess: Having a daughter can sometimes do that to you. Maisie was born about when Can of Bees came out, right? (Most of the misogynist songs from Underwater Moonlight came from that period, I believe) Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:31:52 -0800 (PST) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: SXSW wristbands (kate winslet content: 0%) Alright, alright. I'm officially going to Austin. Bought the nonrefundable cheapo airline tickets and everything. What's the scoop on the wristbands? Can some local Austin Feg pick up a few extra for those of us far away? I realize this is a hassle, but I'd be more than willing to include a $10 "handling" fee or several beers for the trouble. For those of you who have attended SXSW before--how easy is it to score these wristbands? Since I'll be in town for several days, I'd rather have a wristband rather than pay for each show I attend. Am I worrying too much? Should I just relax?? I'm still looking into places to crash. Someone recommended the Univeristy of Austin co-ops for a cheap place to stay. If they're anything like the Eugene/University of Oregon co-ops, I'll be sure to bring my patchouli and vegan hummus along! :) If anyone has any info on alternative lodging, please e-mail me privately (or publicly; like the Titanic thread wasn't off-topic..) Does anyone know how long Robyn plans to stay in town? With luck, he'll play another unannounced gig like the "Two Bells/Princess Di Memorial Show" one after Bumbershoot. ...you can continue with your regularly scheduled Titanic bashing now. :) Carole ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:36:58 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: Positive Vibrations <*That's* why SP is so important, and maybe not as good as some other Beatles records, but perhaps more *important.* > ok, i can buy that. but why does it still top every *greatest* albums of all-time list you'll ever see? it's like, every time i tell someone how boring i think Citizen Kane is, they come back with, "ah, but it's so *innovative*! it *broke* all the rules! techniques/effects/images that are just taken for granted as part of the language of modern cinema were first used in Citizen Kane!" ok. great. i'm happy to acknowledge that. but it's still a boring movie. and i don't like seeing it atop every list of greatest movies of all time you'll ever see. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:51:08 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Faugh! >>Natalie wrote: >>> Um... why is it that all the men who feel this way seem to live several >>> thousand miles away and/or are married? (pout) > >>It's tough finding a guy when you're a Costello hater, isn't it? ;) > >*choke* *sputter* You have grossly misinterpreted my statements, young >man! > >p.s. It's *Bob Dylan* I hate... jeez... :) Oops, my goof. Who was it who said all those terrible things about Costello, then? ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:26:27 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: too many subjects to sensibly mention here, although I might be able to get the longest subject line I've seen for a while if I *did* list them all >This is the real reason I commented here. I don't quite get what you mean >by this line. Is it that you don't really know anything at all about >Groucho or the Marx brothers and you're saying he sings poorly? I have heard Groucho sing, and sing well, but his style is such that he would be the last person I'd think of singing that song. His was simply the first name that came to mind - no ofence was intended. Basically what I meant was I'd get a tingly feeling hearing just about anyone with a decent voice singing Bells of Rhymney. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The underlined bit is why I didn't say Celine Dion or any of her elk, um, ilk. - --- > "Within You...." I think this is one of the better songs on the album. anyone else know the excellent cover of this song by Sonic Youth? Yes, you're not hallucinating; Sonic Youth did a great version of that song on a charity album called "Sgt. Pepper Knew My Father", which also contained Billy Bragg's take on "She's leaving home" and Michelle Shocked putting a new spin on the meaning of "Lovely Rita". >well, just for the fuck of it, here's how i rank 'em: ABBEY ROAD, >RUBBER SOUL, WHITE ALBUM, REVOLVER, PLEASE PLEASE ME, *then* SGT. >PEPPER. which is not to say PEPPER ain't a great album. what? You don't rank that gorgeous slab of pop, A Hard Day's Night? It is third only to Rubber Soul and Revolver for me (then just about everything else equal fourth). >(wouldn't the people of Europe rather have a statue of Frank Zappa that an 80's >has-been freak?) I believe there is one in Prague.(!) FZ was an official advisor to Vaclav Havel's immediate-post-Communist Czech(oslovak) government. >The liner notes of the album itself; in fact, a letter written by >Brian. Although only a page long, it probably took him several weeks to >write. :) BTW, these liner notes are quite good and far better than any >of the hopeless line notes to the rash of recent Beatles releases. coincidentally, I've just read some of the best liner notes I've ever read - - Pete Townshends comments in the reissued CD of "Who's Next" - which (if I was ever pressed to make such a choice) contains my pick for best rock song ever written (Won't get fooled again). - --- > Didn't SOMEBODY out there watch 'the human animal' or 'the >human sexes'? What about you Brits on the list? How is Desmond >Morris viewed on YOUR country? I left Britain when I was about 12, so I must admit I preferred Johnny Morris. - --- > ...You know, I am reminded of a line from a Mark Eitzel song >(the same shit happened to me once, and I may have FINAlly recovered >years later) > "love is the most beautiful killer of them all". > or, from Robyn > "all you need is love, all you get is afraid." not from Hitchcock or Thompson, but if anyone knows Hunters and Collectors song "Throw your arms around me", there is a verse which goes something like this... "so if you disappear out of view, you know that I will never say goodbye, and though I try to forget it you will make me call you name and shout it to the blue summer sky" - --- Danielle sez: >(Oh, and >Quail, I adored both 'Wings of Desire' and '8 1/2' - but perfect movies? >Hmmm.) ah! Another Wings of Desire fan! (although I'm a bit concerned you don't consider Jane Campion as a directorial auteur alongside Peter Jackson...). Add another plus though for being a Paul Kelly fan. (can you, like me, imagine Robyn having written "Before too long"?) >> and Nabokov. . . . > >Ah, my beloved Nabokov finally rears his head on the Feglist! "Pale >Fire" is one of my all time favorites, a real joy of a book to puzzle >through and simmer over. ah, but who will be the first to mention Mikhail Bulgakov's excellent "The Master and Margarita"? James (hmmm. I think it was me...) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:39:22 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob: 0% Beatles: 55% Others: 45% Conspiracy: 0% and I won't even me In case this hasn' been settled off-list: <<> > The fact remains that Sgt. Pepper changed all the rules. Brian Wilson > > said when he first heard SP, he had been ready to take the world by storm > > with "Pet Sounds", and immediately decided his work was about to go > > unnoticed. > > Ahh..close. It was "Rubber Soul" that did it for Brian, and "Pet > sounds" that did it for Paul. So, it could be said that "Pet Sounds" > changed the rules. But, of course, these were the rules of the upper > crust of the pop world at the time. More towards the bottom several > bands had not even read these rules, i.e. VU or the MC5. All a matter > of perspective really... > My source was an on-camera interview with Brian shown in the SP 20th anniverary TV commemorative special (filtered through my failing memory). What's yours? >> I've also read (maybe in the liner notes to the Pet Sounds CD?) that it was the fantastic Rubber Soul that inspired Brian Wilson to do (the even more fantasticker) Pet Sounds. Moreover, this *has* to be the case, as Rubber Soul came out in 1965, Pet Sounds in 1966, and Sgt. Pepper's in 1967. Wasn't it actually the long-lost "Smile" album that Brian trashed when he heard Sgt. Pepper's? Or maybe that's an oversimplification of one man's struggle with art and sanity. . . but, you know, Pepper probably didn't help matters any. Poor Brian; I'd listen to Pet Sounds over Sgt. Pepper's anyday, if it makes ya feel any better! - -----Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:20:11 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Bob: 0% Beatles: 55% Others: 45% Conspiracy: 0% and I won't even me > I've also read (maybe in the liner notes to the Pet Sounds CD?) that it > was the fantastic Rubber Soul that inspired Brian Wilson to do (the even more > fantasticker) Pet Sounds. Moreover, this *has* to be the case, as Rubber Soul > came out in 1965, Pet Sounds in 1966, and Sgt. Pepper's in 1967. Wasn't it > actually the long-lost "Smile" album that Brian trashed when he heard Sgt. > Pepper's? Or maybe that's an oversimplification of one man's struggle with > art and sanity. . . but, you know, Pepper probably didn't help matters any. > Poor Brian; I'd listen to Pet Sounds over Sgt. Pepper's anyday, if it makes ya > feel any better! Re: Smile v. Sgt. Pepper There are a LOT of possible reasons for Smile's demise. Van Dyke Parks (lyricist) left the project. Capitol screwed them over royally. The Boys filed a suit against Capitol at about this time. The other 5 Beach Boys weren't giving Brian much support. Brian Wilson was on a LOT of drugs. (as were the rest of the Boys) Brian Wilson was not mentally stable. Fires broke out in Santa Monica directly after "Mrs. O'Leary's Cow" was recorded. Brian believed that the song caused this. I believe that at about this time , Murry Wilson sold publishing rights to the Beach Boys song catalog. Details are apocryphical. He either bullied Brian into signing some contracts or forged Brian's signature or Brian signed them for no good reason. But a fair number of BB fans just blame Mike Love and Murry Wilson and leave it at that. (n.b. A lot of BB fans do that for any situation, anyhow.) Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:18:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Chris, the missing years." Subject: No more header lists... *TM a dit: > But a fair number of BB fans just blame Mike Love and Murry Wilson and > leave it at that. (n.b. A lot of BB fans do that for any situation, > anyhow.) > This is SO ture. I blame Mike Love for that happening. The Bastard! .chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:50:08 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: re: something. Cranky post. Robynless (I think) On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, James Dignan wrote: > > ...You know, I am reminded of a line from a Mark Eitzel song > >(the same shit happened to me once, and I may have FINAlly recovered > >years later) > > "love is the most beautiful killer of them all". > > or, from Robyn > > "all you need is love, all you get is afraid." > > not from Hitchcock or Thompson, but if anyone knows Hunters and Collectors > song "Throw your arms around me", there is a verse which goes something > like this... > "so if you disappear out of view, > you know that I will never say goodbye, > and though I try to forget it > you will make me call you name and shout it to the blue summer sky" This is exactly why I hate love songs. > Danielle sez: > >(Oh, and > >Quail, I adored both 'Wings of Desire' and '8 1/2' - but perfect movies? > >Hmmm.) > ah! Another Wings of Desire fan! (although I'm a bit concerned you don't > consider Jane Campion as a directorial auteur alongside Peter Jackson...). > Add another plus though for being a Paul Kelly fan. (can you, like me, > imagine Robyn having written "Before too long"?) Jane Campion makes me ill. I think Sweetie is the worst film probably ever made. Atrocious. Makes me WANT to watch tripe like Showgirls to clean out my system. She's yet to make a film that didn't infuriate me with all the assumptions it intended audiences to make about human nature, gender roles, superstitious swill, and film itself. Bah. OK, so it's not like she's without technical skill or assumes you're an idiot. And for that, I can see why some think she's a good director. But if they actually like her films, I still think they're just plain stupid. (And I mean that directly, literally, and genericly. No reason to argue because it's just a dumb opinion.) I'm still crossing my fingers and hoping that she'll either snap out of it and choose a worthwhile project. I guess I get the feeling that she COULD make a good movie. She just works with horrid material. (And no, I don't buy that about The Piano soundtrack being purposely anachronistic.) And this bring me to another rant: Why is it that Oceanic people cling to all things Oceanic? Australians, New Zealanders and all... they seem to love directors, actors, sports figures, and musicians from their own region in disproportionate numbers. I don't get it. I just saved myself and some of you a heap of pain by deleting about two pages of rant here. Let's just say that I don't necessarily think a great percentage of the work from that region is any better than the work done elsewhere. I think it's all proportional and those folks try to swing things their way and I don't know why. Piping down, J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:01:39 -0600 (CST) From: amadain Subject: Re: love,love,love, that's like hypnotising chickens. > > Here's a question: Does anybody know what happened in between > > the Soft Boys and the Egyptians? It seems to me that Robyn was, well, > > a bit bitter towards women (c'mon, "you don't really need a brain, if > > your'e a girl?") Not to completely disagree with you, because I think there's something to this in a general way, but I always took that specific lyric as sarcastic. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:17:44 +0800 From: Jon Fetter Subject: Delurking Hi all: This is my first post after a long lurk. I'm the lone fegdot in Asia (in Taiwan), so I'll try to keep you all up to date on the numerous Robyn-related events happening in this area. Yup. To add to some threads, some of them hideously outdated: -- I just got back from a trip to Japan. I didn't hear a word of Welsh, and I'm sure I could discriminate it from Japanese. Maybe all the Welsh speakers are in Tokyo, where I wasn't. I did hear lots of Pennsylyvania Dutch in Nagoya, and some Gaelic in Takayama. Oh, and the customs guy in the airport spoke to his co-workers in early Aramaic. I also saw lots of shrines, but no fiends. No curlews, either. --I've only seen Robyn live once--in Madison, Wisconsin, land of cheese. --Quail eggs are readily available here in Taiwan (and in Japan, too), either canned or preserved, and you can buy barbecued quails on the street. Jon - ------------------------------------------------------------------- There should be a signature here. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:39:27 -0600 (CST) From: shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary) Subject: Kate W: Swamped Ophelia -- RH Content(!) Cable programmers are taking advantage of our (apparently insatiable) appetite for all things Kate (with and without her 15 extra), so I caught Hamlet this weekend for the second time and I was reminded that she made a darn fine Ophelia. I suggest she get a nice seaworthy role next time, though -- how about that woman who swam the Channel or something? ;) Anyway, one of the great casting turns in Hamlet is Billy Crystal as the gravedigger. It occurred to me that Robyn would have been a pretty cool choice in that role as well. Of course, he'd stick out of the grave a good bit more than Crystal.... Wonder if there are any other of the Bard's roles that Robyn might fit well into. Any thoughts? ========= SH McCleary Prodigal Dog Communications 3052 S. Buchanan St., #A1 Arlington, VA 22206 shmac@prodigaldog.com www.prodigaldog.com Gestation Station: www.prodigaldog.com/baby/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:54:23 -0800 From: Nick Winkworth Subject: Re: Gloss Fish Tape Tree Hey Terrence, How about getting some of the phenomenal talent on this list to design couple of J-cards for this project. They could be up on a web site someplace where anybody could download and print them out. JH3 has some excellent examples of what I'm talking about. (Sorry, I don't have the URL handy) I also see that our very own Mark-the-Shark is involved; perhaps the elusive "DT" - designer of the delightful "Glass Flesh" CD insert - could be persuaded to contribute? Any takers? ~N ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #60 ******************************