From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #59 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, February 15 1998 Volume 07 : Number 059 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Winslet, Titanic, Beatles, the surreal posse and other ephemera (no Robyn, I'm afraid) [Danielle ] everybody knows my name at the recreation center ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: It was sad when the great ship went down [Eb ] Quote of the day (100% Falco content) [Eb ] Size, Lies and Flies (RH Content ...err) [Nick Winkworth ] Robyn MP3'S? ["Michael J Swedene" ] Re: Quote of the day (100% Falco content) [Terrence M Marks Subject: Winslet, Titanic, Beatles, the surreal posse and other ephemera (no Robyn, I'm afraid) All the discussion about Kate Winslet reminds me: in her first lead role, in Peter Jackson's Heavenly Creatures (which James mentioned), she was pretty good. Of course, it's that same 'slightly unbalanced English schoolgirl rose' part she does so well... and Jackson could be called New Zealand's only directorial auteur, so I'm not sure whether my remembering her as 'good' was more to do with Jackson's incredible directing or Winslet's actual performance... but anyway, see the movie, it's fab. Hmm. Titanic. Well, I liked it, actually, and I wasn't expecting to. I went for the frocks (which I don't think anyone has mentioned. God, they were superb. You want to talk about *drool*? There was more liquid coming out of my mouth in that theatre than there was on the screen. So historically accurate! So beautifully tailored! Even down to the buttons! I love buttons! Ahem. Sorry.). But I came out quite moved by the love story, quite horrified by the ship's story. Of course there were *many* naff bits. Some of the dialogue, my *god*. 'A woman's heart is a deep ocean'? *Please*. Kate's character, a 17-year-old, collecting the works of a little-known painter called *Picasso*? (I think I may have groaned aloud at that one.) And as Eb said, when Kate leapt back on board I started getting a little antsy - though how *wuff* was that sex scene? I liked that a lot. And I didn't think 'ooooh, that's good computer graphic work' as much as I expected to, which is always good. Eb also said he liked Titanic's score after the fact. I just kept thinking, while watching the film: how many more of these damn pipes can I *stand*? And when I heard snippets on TV, it just made me more annoyed. Christ almighty, does everything now have to have some spurious Celtic connection? Maybe I'm just bitter about Michael Flatley. ;) So, Titanic was an epic. Epics are always open to broad criticism, I think. But it wasn't a *bad* movie, by any stretch of the imagination. (Oh, and Quail, I adored both 'Wings of Desire' and '8 1/2' - but perfect movies? Hmmm.) The Pepper/best album debate. Can I stay silent? No. I won't quote everyone, though. I stick by Revolver as the best Beatles album, not because I'm some sort of post-punk anti-prog enthusiast, but because I think the songs are better; oddly enough, I find it far more coherent than the supposed 'concept' album which follows it. It could be argued that Revolver spans a gap between the *relatively* traditional Rubber Soul (yup, it's a pop record but we're doin' some weird stuff with it, check out the sitar!) and the full-blown, well, *Pepperness* of Sgt Pepper (hey, you thought the last record was experimental? This one is *art*, man!), and the tension between the two rather disparate influences is what makes the record so great. (I'm co-opting a weeny bit of this from Ian MacDonald, whose 'Revolution in the Head: The Beatles' Records and the Sixties' is my favourite Beatles book. Yes, I know, he's a McCartney apologist. But I think McCartney *needs* an apologist. Anyway, the book is worth it for the introduction, which is great history writing, though a little short on footnotes.) It's also why I find that particular period in pop culture so interesting - 1966 is a more challenging year to explain than 1967, I think. As for Pepper itself, it's been mythologised so much that taking it on its own merits is kinda difficult. I certainly love most of it, but it would be a tough showdown between that album and Abbey Road. And With the Beatles. And the White Album. Hell, I don't know which would win slot number two. James (who made a good call with that nasty remark about our Prime Minister, the evil wench) wrote: > ah, but I know you've got a partner. Our wackiest surrealist, Eb, already > knows about your 'endearing foibles' from other lists, and everyone else > was still recovering from the great "The Welsh are coming!" debacle. Just a > case of bad timing, I'm afraid. Ah, but that was before the Quail's marvellous novelette; a girl does appreciate these things, even when attached. I'm blushing at such attention. Thank you so much. :) A few points, just so the surrealism can be accurate (now *there's* a contradiction in terms!): ~ I go out a lot, and I like to sleep late. I am also occasionally hung over. These are nice touches. ~ I am one of the women who despises that shirt. Even thinking about the possibility of having yellow and white stripes in my room is something akin to torture. ~ I like Billy Bragg. Is that a *bad* thing? ~ I don't think Ebcorp would like my extensive Paul Kelly/Finns collection - or my fondness for Frankie's Welcome to the Pleasuredome album - too much either. But I believe I may be a rebellious employee; I'm not sure what the punishment is for such transgressions. Will my longstanding devotion to Elvis Costello and my recent corporate-sponsored conversion to the dBs and the Minutemen stand me in good stead? ~ Dworkin Spice? Gracious me, I can't imagine such a thing. But I suppose that's what surrealism is for, isn't it? Yikes. ~ I wouldn't be caught *dead* in a white shirt with black polka dots, unless it was a well-cut vintage 50s shirt combined with a knee-length black pencil skirt and the right kind of shoes. Call me shallow. I'm used to it. ;) ~ A Tracy Chapman revival? Danielle, who also loved Twin Peaks, especially the first few episodes, and who is feeling rather warm and squidgy towards the surreal posse in general and Quail in particular ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:50:39 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther) Subject: morris county.... On Sat, 14 Feb 1998 03:25:17 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >Quail nailed it when he said being in love gives you a different >perspective on the whole wrenching and/or stupid end to Titanic. There >is absolutely no way I could have sat down and descended in a lifeboat >while my wife stood by on deck. (Of course, this would have never >happened...she'd be in the boat and I'd be on deck freezing!) I think we all would make that kind of sacrifice, even for somebody who "doesn't exist anymore"...we are all 'all too human'. Didn't SOMEBODY out there watch 'the human animal' or 'the human sexes'? What about you Brits on the list? How is Desmond Morris viewed on YOUR country? -luther ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:38:00 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther) Subject: the art of love (ha) On Sat, 14 Feb 1998 03:25:17 -0500 (EST), you wrote: > >two days? Two hours. I've been hit by love at first sight, once. And it was >so scary I hope it never happens again. I doubt it will - that woman still >hangs onto a fair chunk of my heart, and always will, even though she now >lives 500 miles away and is happily married to someone else (as long as she >is happy, I am content with the situation). But yes, I would have risked >everything for her even after just the first time I saw her. ` ...You know, I am reminded of a line from a Mark Eitzel song (the same shit happened to me once, and I may have FINAlly recovered years later) "love is the most beautiful killer of them all". or, from Robyn "all you need is love, all you get is afraid." Any fellow RT-heads got lines for 'OH' to add? -luther ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:47:46 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther) Subject: George rules... On Sat, 14 Feb 1998 03:25:17 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >> "Within You...." I >> think this is one of the better songs on the album. But, that is just >> me. > >It's also me. George's persona is the most interesting of the surviving >Threetles;. QUITE agreed! All the interviews I've seen have portrayed him as still being a bit of a mystic, and a basically happy guy, raising a family in his 'HUGE' house (HE never sold off the rights to *his* Beatles songs, so he, and not that one-gloved 'king of flop' (wouldn't the people of Europe rather have a statue of Frank Zappa that an 80's has-been freak?) get the royalties. Plus, his solo work, and the Wilburys projects have been better than the others' albums... ....and, he is the man who financed "monty python and the holy grail", along with other python projects! ...he also has a distinctive slide guitar style. Basically, He's cool...he never made a "caveman".:-) =luther ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:55:19 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther) Subject: let women be as they truely are, actual robyn content. On Sat, 14 Feb 1998 03:25:17 -0500 (EST), you wrote: > ...And besides, Am I the only one that thinks slightly chubby >>(and intelligent) is actually a GOOD thing? I think it's more >>attractive than empty headed women (the kind Robyn was always >>attacking lyrically in the Soft Boys) who have spent a lot of time, >>uh, kneeling before the porcelin god. (don't flame me for that >>comment, please.) > >(/PC mode (hah!) off) not in the least. 'Em lasses could do with a bit of >meat on them. More to grapple with, if you get my drift, as well as looking >good. And it is nice to have a conversation occasionally, too, preferably >one that is intelligent. A few comfy bulges and a bit of brain power are >excellent in a woman. Glad somebody agrees....one of the things about fegs, we are all smarter than the average bear! :-) In actual Robyn content, here's a question: What was kind of guitar was Robyn playing live with the Soft Boys, circa 1978? I have a hunch that he has always favored Telecasters, just by the tone, but can't be sure... Also, is that tab that was up for a few songs several months ago going to make it's way to the tab page? ...and furthermore, what happened the the 'crystal branches' page? -luther ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:49:09 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Subject: Titanic again >on Fri, 13 Feb 1998, Capuchin wrote >Wanna see wholly developed (and even somewhat >contrived) characters you care about get rescued and killed in a losing >struggle for survival? Wanna see this all done well? See The Poseidon >Adventure. All the best disaster films were made in the 70s anyway. The >genre's tapped. Ugh, the Poseidon Adventure... I keep hoping they'll slap that annoying Shelley Winters around, and throw her down the smokestack as they're climbing to safety. I absolutely hate her whiny character. But I do love Leslie Neilson as the ships Captain, giving a serious performance that always cracks me up. As he sees the huge wall of water coming towards the ship and utters the phrase, "Oh My God....", I just can't help thinking of his deadpan delivery in Airplane. on Fri, 13 Feb 1998, lj lindhurst said > a week or so later, I was sitting in a restaurant with my sister and a >friend, and we were discussing Titanic. They both, of course, LOVED it, >and were actually making plans to see it again. I was voicing my crotchety >opinion of what a total fucking CLICHE the entire storyline was, >- --when a girl approached us from another table. She looked to be about 18 >Hanson years old, and her face was all flush with anger. "Excuse me, but >are you talking about TITANIC?!" "I can't believe the things you're >saying about that movie! It was wonderful! That's my favorite movie of >all-time! I don't know where you GET OFF saying those things, but I just >couldn't sit by and listen to you bad-mouth such a great piece of art!" >to verbatim) LOL, did this remind anyone else of the Seinfeld episode where Elaine says she hates she The English Patient? ;) I can't believe that someone approached you from another table at a restaurant to chastise you about not liking the Titanic. That's the funniest thing ever! Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:35:17 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: everybody knows my name at the recreation center couple comments regarding last month's largo shows. firstly, they were just about AMAZING! definitely tree material, if you ask me. also, robyn mentioned both, "browning," and, "fontanel." he's gotta be lurking, doesn't he? don't forget carter burwell and mychael danna! don't know how young they are or not. don't even know what they've done apart from the coen and egoyan flicks. i don't really buy instrumental movie soundtracks, in general. but i've got all the coens, and a couple egoyans. well, just for the fuck of it, here's how i rank 'em: ABBEY ROAD, RUBBER SOUL, WHITE ALBUM, REVOLVER, PLEASE PLEASE ME, *then* SGT. PEPPER. which is not to say PEPPER ain't a great album. to be fair, quail, Batman Returns was pretty shitty, too. Batman Forever was one of the worst movies i've ever seen (ranking with Forrest Gimp and Jurassic Park,) and there was no way in hell i was gonna even come *close* to seeing Batman & Robin. but, tim has only made one really great movie since 1990. 'course, gilliam's only made one really great movie since 1984, and merry martin only one since 1988... which brings us back around to the coens. they're on an untouchable roll, right now. The Big Lebowski is coming! i even saw a commercial for it the other night. luckily, i had the sound turned down, and, once i realized what it was, i changed the channel real quick like. i don't wanna know *anything* about a new coens movie before i go to see it. hey, is it shitty e-mail etiquette to import something from a different list? i hope not, 'cause bayard said, on the lyrics list: i had no idea Element Of Air was a made-up-on-the-spot song! i thought it was a damn cover, and i've always wondered who originally recorded it. this may sound loopy, but it's one of my faves. i find it terribly impressive that he made it up on the spot. and while we're on the subject of robyn, i notice from quail's fledgling website that robyn is his favorite artist. right on, brudda! i thought you'd previously said u2, rush, and king crimson were your faves. did robyn at #1 just go without saying, or have you reworked your priorities? another thing. i love his voice. so there. <>Simpsons gets paler and paler. It hasn't been the same since Conan O' >Brien left. Watch an old rerun and compare it with a new one and you'll >see. Hell, watch King Of The Hill right after a new Simpsons episode and >you'll see that The Simpsons no longer leads the way humor-wise. Well, it still has it's moments...all the same, I am glad this is the last season.> what? who said it was the last season? i never heard that. am i just horribly out of it these days? that's some seriously depressing news. as for the show fading, i'd have agreed with you, hal, about a year and a half ago. i think it went through a roughly two year stretch where the quality was noticeably lower. not that it sucked or anything, just wasn't *quite* as good as before. but i think it's as good as its ever been these days. or at least very close. in fact, when was the last time you could say the three best shows in prime time were all animated? (Simpsons, King Of The Hill, South Park.) this has been a very shitty post, both content-wise and grammar-wise. and i'm proud of it, godammit! "That socialism cannot or may never be attained does not mitigate capitalism's inherent inability to serve as the rational institutional standard for a just society or peaceful world, or lessen the need for a fundamental alternative embodying socialism's original objectives and inspiration to resolve many of the world's enormous problems." --Gabriel Kolko ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:48:59 -0500 (EST) From: normal@grove.ufl.edu Subject: Gloss Fish Tape Tree 1) Gloss Fish, a compilation of original material by on-list and off-list bands is going to be released as soon as the tape tree finalizes. 2) If you want a copy, you have to get on the tape tree. To get onto the tape tree, mail me, let me know if you want to be a branch or leaf (and your pref. format) 2a) If you sent me (free) a CD/tape of music for this, contact me and I'll send you a free copy of this. 2b) How many tapes is it? Don't know yet. It's 50 songs, so probably 2 90 minute tapes. 3) If someone could contact any bands that went offlist without my knowing, I'd be much obliged. 4) If you're one of the musicians and want to change which tracks are featured, please contact me. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu The Songlist: Mark Gloster: Severe Tire Damage Monday's Lunch Rubber Heads don't dent easily James Dignan: Mines of Wisdom (The Moomins) Cold July Rain Time After Time The Transparencies: End In Sight Other Days: Not This Way End of Reality All the Signals The Delusions: Someplace like Peru Richard Nixon Eastern Star Mike Godwin and the Inner Ring Miranda's in Africa Conversation The Carolinas: Jing Jing Cowboy Mouth Redeye Tripper: Thousand Smiles Start With Me Oh Alice The Modern Lizard Quartet Digital Spaceship You've Got It Alone in Time Dolph Chaney: Big Stupid Grin Pleasant Under Glass Cocoon That band that Bayard sent me tapes of: (Umm...need names and song titles) Kevin Z. Slick Five Water Moons Seattle The Night Patti Smith dreamed of Elizabeth Cotton Interlude with Wood Laughing Men: Up from where we belong Can Forget Rain Dancer Regular Einstein: Mom's on the roof Mary Baker Eddy NeoPseudo and the Invisible Band I am a TV Show Fossil Rockets Tribal Fireworks John Dunbar/Confederacy of Dunces: Mr. Stinginess Sometimes You Win The Man Who Never Learns Tris McCall: X marks the Spot Hands like Cool Water Everybody Wants the Phone to Ring The Favourite Color: Valis I Know What Happens Next Go Back to West New York There Goes Bill: Dysfunctional Happy Song Vicki Lawrence Ergie Bergie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:59:12 -0500 (EST) From: Natalie Jane Jacobs Subject: It was sad when the great ship went down James Dignan said heartily, > (/PC mode (hah!) off) not in the least. 'Em lasses could do with a bit > of meat on them. More to grapple with, if you get my drift, as well as > looking good. And it is nice to have a conversation occasionally, too, > preferably one that is intelligent. A few comfy bulges and a bit of > brain power are excellent in a woman. Um... why is it that all the men who feel this way seem to live several thousand miles away and/or are married? (pout) Re. TITANIC, I went to see it with a friend of mine who revels in big-budget blockbusters, and we enjoyed ourselves. I did get a little teary-eyed here and there, but for the most part I took the hokey script with a MASSIVE dose of salt and simply enjoyed the special effects and attention to detail. I definitely don't think it's worth any Oscar nominations, except maybe for special effects and costuming. (Warning! Robyn content ahead!) I do agree that "Luminous Rose" would have worked very well on the soundtrack and I would have much preferred it to the Celine Dion swill currently swarming up the charts. My friend suggested that the script's extreme hokeyness (is that a word?), with the blatant villain and the perfect lover and so forth, is there because the whole thing is being filtered through the old woman's memories, and of course she'd remember things in a very simplistic way. It's a reasonable explanation, but I don't buy it - Cameron and co. aren't that subtle. I mean, it's *Hollywood,* for Christ's sake, you can't expect subtlety from them... n. p.s. Quail, you must see my Londo Mollari action figure... the only thing it's missing is a martini glass (and some anatomical details). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:14:37 -0600 (CST) From: Marshall Joseph Armintor Subject: critics.....and others... Last digest, James fretted about 'Mirkin cartoons: <> No, somewhat unfortunately, because I actually like it. It was started by the Simpsons people when they were on a hot streak and wanted to branch out: Fox initally put it in the coveted timeslot after the Simpsons, and I think this was three or four years ago. Anyway, it's no longer in production. It's being shown in this country on Comedy Central at 10:30 on Sunday evenings, after _Dr. Katz_, which is the only TV show I watch with any regularity, with the exception of _South Park_, and E!'s _The Gossip Show_. About Pet Sounds: my first exposure to this was two years ago...I've been listening to music for quite a long time now (i'm 27), and have more CDs than I probably should, but _Pet Sounds_ blows me away every time I hear it, in particular "Don't Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder)" and "Caroline No." Like _Axis: Bold as Love_, it's an ecstatic, holy vision from start to finish... marshall (Can't think of anything Robyn-related today....) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:46:09 -0500 From: woj Subject: Re: It was sad when the great ship went down also sprach Natalie Jane Jacobs: >I do agree that "Luminous Rose" would have worked >very well on the soundtrack and I would have much preferred it to the >Celine Dion swill currently swarming up the charts. ^^^^^^^^ i believe the correct verb is "smarming". +w n.p. garmana -- guds spelemän ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 15:48:33 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: It was sad when the great ship went down Natalie wrote: >Um... why is it that all the men who feel this way seem to live several >thousand miles away and/or are married? (pout) It's tough finding a guy when you're a Costello hater, isn't it? ;) Oh, I've been meaning to post a correction: I said Brian Wilson had an album coming out on Mercury. Oops...it's coming out on Revolution (formerly Giant). I read some words about it the other day...the label avoids giving a firm release date, but assures us that the record is "3/4 finished." Sheesh -- THAT sounds familiar.... And woj, watch where you say "smarm." That's one of the words that got me in trouble with the Barenaked Ladies fanatic. ;) Eb np: Kristin Hersh/Strange Angels ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:26:55 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Quote of the day (100% Falco content) >"He was a great pop star," said Ilse Kraus, 75, clutching two long-stemmed >pink roses to lay on his grave. "There was Mozart, Schubert and Falco." Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 19:26:20 -0800 From: Nick Winkworth Subject: Size, Lies and Flies (RH Content ...err) Happy St. Valentine's day one and all. You know, of course that in Victorian England it was a day, not for love notes, but for insults. The more barbed the better. I'm surprised Eb isn't beating down the doors at Hallmark demanding a return to older and better days. To further flog the dead horse of the Winslet thread - surely it's no surprise that most men are NOT obsessed by the advertiser's constant imaging of the Barbie(tm)-like figure. You may have noticed that despite the fact that most real people DON'T look like that they somehow manage to have husbands/boyfreinds/lovers etc. The only people who seem to buy in to this manufactured image are rock stars and such who like to have someone on their arm they think *other people* will envy. You've only to read the papers to discover what a successful strategy for a happy life *that* is. Like most of the fella's on this list, I'll raise my hand for more curves please ...but haven't you noticed that as soon as you think you've settled on what you think "your type" is, along comes someone - *nothing like* your image of "ideal" who just blows you away. Funny old thing, life. Eh? On peacock feathers and "sweet young things": Thanks for the laugh, everybody. After Eb exploited the archetypal critics ploy: find a crack and magnify it till it looks like the Grand Canyon; I braced for the backlash, but you guys did the list proud. It probably helps that our "list curmudgeon" has had the bile turned down and the humor up for the last couple of months - more power to him. "Surreal Posse"? Tee Hee. Nice one! Where do I sign up? The funniest thing is that of course those peacock feathers are not there just for "sweet young things" - any excuse will do - in fact sometimes I think that's what the list is mostly about (it occasionally reminds me of Monty Python's Oscar Wilde sketch, where the wits are trying to outdo each other before the Prince of Wales) -- and I'm sorry, but our "Mr. Memory Man of Music" can in no way dissociate himself from that particular little foible! Admit it, Eb, you're one of us, now! ;) As for the Titanic and X-Files. I know these threads will sink into the depths of email obscurity pretty soon ...I just hope my delete key lasts that long. Sgt. Pepper? Significant as a historical artifact, of course, but it's impact is hard to appreciate from a 90's perspective - and just taking it a piece of music - with our modern day experiences and sensibilities - - doesn't do justice to what it represented in its day. Oh, and Gary -- or should I say "Gareth" -- don't think that by merely dropping an "e" from your last name you're fooling anyone. We're onto you, boyo! ~N (who knew none of the answers to Ebs "test" and is actually proud of it) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 22:50:18 EST From: KarmaFuzzz@aol.com Subject: Re: everybody knows my name at the recreation center etews@hotmail.com writes re The Simpsons: << what? who said it was the last season? i never heard that. am i just horribly out of it these days? >> it isn't. it's already been renewed for at least one more (making it an even 10 seasons). Only Seinfeld, Larry Sanders, and The Tony Danza Show aren't back next year for sure. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 98 23:14:21 EST From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: Bob: 0% Beatles: 55% Others: 45% Conspiracy: 0% and I won't even mention anything about T.V. > > > > The fact remains that Sgt. Pepper changed all the rules. Brian Wilson > > said when he first heard SP, he had been ready to take the world by storm > > with "Pet Sounds", and immediately decided his work was about to go > > unnoticed. > > Ahh..close. It was "Rubber Soul" that did it for Brian, and "Pet > sounds" that did it for Paul. So, it could be said that "Pet Sounds" > changed the rules. But, of course, these were the rules of the upper > crust of the pop world at the time. More towards the bottom several > bands had not even read these rules, i.e. VU or the MC5. All a matter > of perspective really... > > My source was an on-camera interview with Brian shown in the SP 20th anniverary TV commemorative special (filtered through my failing memory). What's yours? > I think Ross also mentioned that he like "Within You...." I > think this is one of the better songs on the album. But, that is just > me. Overall, I think there is something different about it that gives > it an endearing quality, but separates it from other albums of a > thematic bent, such as "Pet Sounds." Something is just not quite there > with "Sgt. Pepper." Whereas "Pet Sounds" might as well be the only > album ever recorded--on some days that is. > I don't think I said it, but I *do* like the song. Whatever "thematic" character SP possesses should be credited to George Martin. I'm pretty sure I remember hearing John Lennon referring to it as just a bunch of songs. He said there was no concept. I'm almost 42. Guess it's time I heard "Pet Sounds", don't you think? - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:41:31 -0800 (PST) From: "Chris, the missing years." Subject: Robyn factor RMSE = 1 > > Ahh..close. It was "Rubber Soul" that did it for Brian, and "Pet > > sounds" that did it for Paul. So, it could be said that "Pet Sounds" > > changed the rules. But, of course, these were the rules of the upper > > My source was an on-camera interview with Brian shown in the SP 20th > anniverary TV commemorative special (filtered through my failing > memory). What's yours? > The liner notes of the album itself; in fact, a letter written by Brian. Although only a page long, it probably took him several weeks to write. :) BTW, these liner notes are quite good and far better than any of the hopeless line notes to the rash of recent Beatles releases. The chain of Rubber Soul to Pet Sounds to Sgt. Pepper shows the influence that B. Wilson and P. McCartney had on each other, pushing each other along for a bit (or so *they* say). Also, the dates of release, RS in 1965, PS in 1966 and Sgt. P in 1967, give rise to the order. > Whatever "thematic" > character SP possesses should be credited to George Martin. > I'm pretty sure I remember hearing John Lennon referring to it as > just a bunch of songs. He said there was no concept. Indeed. Can't agree more. Perhaps the problem is something Nick alluded to, looking back over time. Perhaps the manufacture of the album as a theme or idea (later nee, "the Rock Opera") was an idea of the press at the time and perpetuated. Perhaps that is what I think is missing. It is nothing, but an influence that I am told that every thing should be linked. I stop that right now. > I'm almost 42. Guess it's time I heard "Pet Sounds", don't you think? YES! But, knowing this list, that's a mixed bag. 8) One thing that did it for me was the essay in the CD. Without that I don't think my conversion would have come so quick, or at all. Does anyone have the boxset...is the essays in that of superior quality or filled for a box booklet?? Sloop .chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 00:22:46 -0500 From: "Michael J Swedene" Subject: Robyn MP3'S? hey there fellow FEGS! Just curious, has any one put any MP3's of Uncle Bob on the Internet? HERBIE ps - Hey Scott! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 02:53:34 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Quote of the day (100% Falco content) > >"He was a great pop star," said Ilse Kraus, 75, clutching two long-stemmed > >pink roses to lay on his grave. "There was Mozart, Schubert and Falco." Umm... Apart from his 80s hits, what did Falco do? (Asking out of sheer ignorance, of course) Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #59 ******************************