From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #50 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, February 10 1998 Volume 07 : Number 050 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: mourn [KarmaFuzzz@aol.com] Re: 20 depressing!!! (no robyn, but a good cheap laugh) [KarmaFuzzz@aol.c] Re: Mope Rock Top 20 & The Beatles [Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programm] Re: 20 depressing!!! (no robyn, but a good cheap laugh) [Eb ] Xfiles declines (no robyn, really) [dwdudic@erols.com (luther)] "Phony Beatlemania has bitten the dust" [Natalie Jacobs ] re: "Phony Beatlemania has bitten the dust" ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Cope and Krautrock [CooperTJ@aol.com] Re: weirdness abounds (RH=1%) [Miles ] Re: Xfiles declines (no robyn, really) [jeffery vaska ] Robyn Makes Me Happy [Tom Clark ] Re: Xfiles declines [kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander)] Re: SXSW Film '98 - ["Elizabeth Morgan" ] Re: let's get depressed (zilch Robyn) [Danielle ] Closer to depression ["Runion-1, Michael" ] Krautrock ["Michael R. Runion" ] Whoops (email related) ["Michael R. Runion" ] Subterranean email blues ["Michael R. Runion" ] No! Not another post from Mike! ["Michael R. Runion" ] here goes more velvets [dwdudic@erols.com (luther)] Syd on stage? not bloody likely... [dwdudic@erols.com (luther)] Re: Smiths (zilch Robyn) [nicastr@IDT.NET (Ben)] Re: Re: weirdness abounds (Kinks = 100%) [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Xfiles declines [Miles ] Re: Xfiles declines [nicastr@IDT.NET (Ben)] Re: 20 depressing!!! (no robyn, but a good cheap laugh) [MARKEEFE@aol.co] Re: Xfiles declines [Capuchin ] Re: Closer to depression [KarmaFuzzz@aol.com] Re: weirdness abounds (RH=1%) [Capuchin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 03:44:52 EST From: KarmaFuzzz@aol.com Subject: Re: mourn tclark@apple.com writes: > On 2/8/98 1:36 AM, Eb wrote: > >http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/5461/ > A sampling of the condolences: > > Comments: > > The day Austrian Pop Music died. > Gee, I didn't even know it was born! wow, just because the guitarist from Slaughter died? besides, aren't the guys from Opus and Double still alive? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 03:45:07 EST From: KarmaFuzzz@aol.com Subject: Re: 20 depressing!!! (no robyn, but a good cheap laugh) In a message dated 98-02-08 23:38:47 EST, dwdudic@erols.com writes: > On Fri, 6 Feb 1998 03:25:15 -0500, you wrote: > > >1 Leonard Cohen - Greatest Hits > >2 Lou Reed - Berlin -----have this > >3 Nick Drake - Way To Blue > >4 Joy Division - Closer > >5 Tindersticks - Second Album > >6 Manic Street Preachers - The Holy Bible > >7 Red House Painters - Double Album > >8 Baby Bird - Dying Happy > >9 Tricky - Pre-Millennium Tension > >10 Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Murder Ballads > >11 American Music Club - Mercury -LOVE this! > >12 Pink Floyd - The Wall -have this (I woulda gone with 'animals' myself > >13 The Cure - Disintegration -check > >14 Bob Dylan - Blood On The Tracks -check > >15 Japan - Tin Drum > >16 Bruce Springsteen - Nebraska -check > >17 Depeche Mode - Black Celebration > >18 R.E.M. - Automatic For The People -check > >19 Nirvana - Unplugged -got the studio albums, does that count? :-) > >20 David Bowie - Low > > So, do I get some kinda goth medal or something? :-) > > Ok, who else out there owns more than five albums on here? i have seven of them [4, 7, 13, 17-20], and access to an eighth (though i refuse to listen to non-Syd Floyd stuff on moral grounds), and have tentative plans to buy 1-3 at some point... frighteningly, i don't consider a couple of them all that depressing (i would have gone with Seventeen Seconds for The Cure* and either A Broken Frame or Music for the Masses for DM as Disintegration and Black Celebration both end too happy to be really depressing). *as for Pornography, I've always thought it was more Psychtic and Violent than depressing. > Also, should any of Robyn's stuff ("Blues in the Dark", > "Aquarium", "She Doesn't exist", "Autum is your last chance", etc.) > be on the list? i would say I Often Dream of Trains would be a good choice for the list. in terms of full albums though, the rest have too many whimsical (if not necessarily light-hearted) moments. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 08:51:24 GMT From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: Mope Rock Top 20 & The Beatles susan> I kind of have this theory that people who actively dislike susan> the Beatles are usually people who are rather susan> dislikable. Oh, thanks. I find the Beatles highly annoying. What really worries me is that the UK press are saying that those turgid dreckmeisters O*s*s are the new Beatles. I do like Ray Charles, though. Stewart - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 01:27:51 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: 20 depressing!!! (no robyn, but a good cheap laugh) >> >2 Lou Reed - Berlin -----have this >> >9 Tricky - Pre-Millennium Tension >> >10 Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Murder Ballads >> >11 American Music Club - Mercury >> >12 Pink Floyd - The Wall >> >14 Bob Dylan - Blood On The Tracks -check >> >16 Bruce Springsteen - Nebraska -check >> >18 R.E.M. - Automatic For The People -check >> >19 Nirvana - Unplugged >> >20 David Bowie - Low I have the above 10. Plus, I used to have the Tindersticks and Red House Painters discs. And like someone else said, not seeing John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band on this list is ludicrous. Eb (Buy Neutral Milk Hotel on Tuesday...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:53:03 -0000 From: Gary Sedgwick Subject: Re: weirdness abounds (RH=1%) > Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:46:59 -0700 > From: Eb > Subject: Re: weirdness abounds (RH=1%) > > >>Here's some useless info I read yesterday: The film "Percy", based on > >>Raymond Hitchcock's novel, had music written by... Ray Davies! Anyone > >>confirm? > > > >But of course -- I don't think the Kinks soundtrack ever came out in the > >U.S., but it's been available on import for years. The movie was about the > >first "male organ" transplant (never read the novel), so asking a man who > >wrote disapproving songs about photography to write the soundtrack was an > >odd choice. And true to form, the first song on the soundtrack, "God's > >Children," goes "they got no right to change us... we gotta go back the way > >the Good Lord made us all." > > Now, this is actually one of the most interesting things I've learned on > this list! > > I knew there was a film called Percy, which Davies/Kinks did music for. But > I never knew that Papa Hitchcock wrote the book! Did he write the > screenplay, too? If anyone's interested, I've got this album on CD, but I don't think any info is mentioned in the booklet. But I've heard/read the 'asking a man who wrote disapproving songs about photography to write the soundtrack was an odd choice' quote before. I'll check my CDs tonight - I've got a feeling that Percy might be mentioned in the liner notes of the Kink Kronikles CDs. Gary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 12:19:25 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther) Subject: Xfiles declines (no robyn, really) On Mon, 9 Feb 1998 03:25:11 -0500, you wrote: >Eb, still cringing from tonight's unbelievably terrible X Files and >wondering why the HELL Stephen King is successful ....On an off-topic rant (well, there was an episode called "momento mori" :-) ) does any one else think the Xfiles is running out of steam? I give it 2 seasons left, not even one if Mulder and scully end up in bed (it will take all the TENSION out of the show- people say they hate tension, but it keeps people watching/ reading!) >=20 -luther now playing: Kaleidoscope- egyptian candy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:03:25 -0500 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: "Phony Beatlemania has bitten the dust" Capuchin growls, >And at the risk of losing all possibility of running away with the lovely >Ms. Dodge, I only have one Beatles album (Revolver) and listen to it only >very rarely. I also live in Oregon and am not a really big fan of the >sun. The sun is overrated. It's only a small G-type star, after all - we're not talking a red giant or anything. I grew up listening to the Beatles and therefore have a hard time saying that I *like* them because I have no objectivity on the matter. I've listened to their music so much that it's been absorbed into my bloodstream. I own two Beatles albums - "Rubber Soul" and "Revolver" - and occasionally I'll drag them out, listen to them, say, "Hey, this is good stuff!" and put them away. I don't feel as if I need to listen to them any more than that - it's just too familiar to me. To extend the Rolling Stone analogy, one may like the sun, but one doesn't necessarily go around staring at it all the time. n. np: Kristin Hersh, "Strange Angels" - beautiful, fragile, intense music; I'm not sure yet whether it's on a par with her first solo album, "Hips and Makers" (one of my all-time favorites), but I think it is. ObRobyn: there's a song on "Strange Angels" called "Heaven." It's not a cover, though. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:27:59 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: re: "Phony Beatlemania has bitten the dust" Natalie freaked me out completely by describing exactly my feelings about the Beatles: > I own two Beatles albums - "Rubber Soul" and "Revolver" - >and occasionally I'll drag them out, listen to them, say, "Hey, this is >good stuff!" and put them away. I don't feel as if I need to listen to >them any more than that - it's just too familiar to me. I too own only those two albums, and that's me *exactly.* The Beatles were drilled into my head by the radios I had on constantly during my childhood. Imagine my surprise when I stepped into a college radio station and discovered they had *13 entire albums*, and not just those 30 songs they kept playing on the radio. If only "Blue Jay Way" had made it to the radio, I'd have liked them even more. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:29:34 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: weirdness abounds (RH=1%) > > Here's some useless info I read yesterday: The film "Percy", based on > Raymond Hitchcock's novel, had music written by... Ray Davies! Anyone > confirm? Confirmed. The Kinks released a soundtrack to the film Percy. Included were God's Children, an instrumental version of Lola and...some songs that I can't remember at the momebt. There are rumours of an upcoming rerelease of a lot of Kinks material, and this ought to be one of them. Some people like this album, some don't. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:49:58 EST From: CooperTJ@aol.com Subject: Cope and Krautrock Fegs, there has been lots of content recently about Julian Cope (a God-like genius in my opinion) and Krautrock (Can, Amon Duul, etc). i'd recommend that anyone interested in exploring Krautrock further pick up Julian's book "Krautrocksampler." it covers the Cope experience with said bands, and is pretty entertaining. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 10:57:22 -0600 From: Miles Subject: Re: weirdness abounds (RH=1%) I wrote, then Gary Sedgwick replied: >> >But of course -- I don't think the Kinks soundtrack ever came out in >the >> >U.S., but it's been available on import for years. The movie was >about the >> >first "male organ" transplant (never read the novel), so asking a man >who >> >wrote disapproving songs about photography to write the soundtrack >was an >> >odd choice. >If anyone's interested, I've got this album on CD, but I don't think any >info is mentioned in the booklet. But I've heard/read the 'asking a man >who wrote disapproving songs about photography to write the soundtrack >was an odd choice' quote before. I'll check my CDs tonight - I've got a >feeling that Percy might be mentioned in the liner notes of the Kink >Kronikles CDs. !!!! I did subconsciously lift something from John Mendelsohn's liner notes. Here's what he wrote: "Asked by the producers of the film PERCY to compose a snappy little toe-tapper concerning the humor of human organ transplants, Ray turned out 'God's Children,' a protest against the inhumanity of such operations. It seems that said producers had not listened very intently to V.G.P.S. else they could scarcely have expected a man who frowns on so seemingly harmless a technological phenomenon as photography to condone the swapping of the most personal of organs." plagiaristically yours, Miles ============================================================== JASON WILKINS (of Neilson Hubbard): Victor's was just starting to happen, then it burned down. BILL LLOYD: That's a pretty good metaphor for the Nashville rock scene. -- NASHVILLE SCENE, Jan. 15, 1998 Miles Goosens outdoorminer@mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles ============================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 09:24:19 -0800 From: jeffery vaska Subject: Re: Xfiles declines (no robyn, really) luther wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Feb 1998 03:25:11 -0500, you wrote: > > >Eb, still cringing from tonight's unbelievably terrible X Files and > >wondering why the HELL Stephen King is successful > > ....On an off-topic rant (well, there was an episode called > "momento mori" :-) ) does any one else think the Xfiles is running out > of steam? hey all - hope the weekend was good... the xfiles has been washed up for a couple years in my opinion - i just can't watch it anymore - just can't do it. i'm curious if anybody would agree with me that the show is made remotely interesting by its use of lighting. the people who light the scenes do incredible work - which does accentuate everything else, including the predictable storyendings at the 40 min. point in each show, and the oftentimes extremely dry dialog (i know the characters are perfect for this...yadda, yadda). but the lighting is the only thing i can even pay attention to when i watch it once a year now. should i take some medication for this obsessive compulsion? hmmm...jv ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 10:36:31 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Robyn Makes Me Happy Confession time: After a harrowing two weeks of incessant rain coupled with the daily pressures of life in the Sillycone Valley, I've come to realize that the only way I can drive the 10 miles of clogged rush hour freeways without feeling the urge to rip a fellow commuter's heart out through his anus is by popping in one of Robyn's CD's for the ride. It's true, I'm a completely different person - speeding along the freeway at 4 MPH, staring at someone's "My Kid Made The Honor Role" bumper sticker, while singing "Rock 'n Roll Toilet" at the top of my lungs. I must look like a freak, but I don't care! Consider the alternative! Anyway, I just wanted to share that with some people who could relate... enjoy your week! - -tc ******************************************* Tom Clark Apple Computer, Inc. tclark@apple.com http://u2.netgate.net/~tclark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:54:27 -0500 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: Re: Xfiles declines >> >Eb, still cringing from tonight's unbelievably terrible X Files and >> >wondering why the HELL Stephen King is successful >> >> ....On an off-topic rant (well, there was an episode called >> "momento mori" :-) ) does any one else think the Xfiles is running out >> of steam? > >the xfiles has been washed up for a couple years in my opinion - i just >can't watch it anymore - just can't do it. stephen king cranks out so much stuff that i wonder just how much of it he actually writes. king, inc. must have a legion of ghost (no pun intended) writers to feed the mass public that buys everything put out with his name on it. his real success stems more from the movies that have based on his books. i did borrow a series of small books called _the green mile_ that came out a couple of years ago that i liked, for what it's worth. all of you x-files doomsayers can rest assured that this is the last season for the show. from what i understand, the movie coming out this year is supposed to finish it all up. i hope not though. i love the show, though the one-shot episodes are typically less engaging than the juicy conspiracy saga. i just got the new fox cable channel which has the older shows in syndication twice a night. right now they're on the episodes where gillian anderson was pregnant. KEN ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 14:52:28 PST From: "Elizabeth Morgan" Subject: Re: SXSW Film '98 - >Storefront Hitchcock - directed by Jonathan Demme >A new film from Jonathan Demme about the musician Robyn Hitchcock. > Paramount 3/19/98 7:00 PM > >No specifics on costs for the screening yet. Yes, eb, I'm thinking about making the trip. This is the information I got from SXSW about the screening. Who else might go? Elizabeth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 20:38:29 -0800 From: Danielle Subject: Re: let's get depressed (zilch Robyn) dwdudic@erols.com wrote: > And what about the SMiths? Sorry, people, but this is one of my little bugbears. The Smiths are *not* usually depressing, though that's the common misconception. They are blackly humorous. Morrissey really is one of pop's great comedians, and I could quote zillions of his lyrics which are intentionally funny. (Eb, don't you start with me on this one. You may have blocked it out, but I actually *won* this argument with you a few months back... ;)) Danielle, who would be hard pressed to choose between 'Venus in Furs' and 'Femme Fatale' PS James, I think you and I were listening to Straitjacket Fits at the same time! Synchronicity... :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:11:07 -0500 From: "Runion-1, Michael" Subject: Closer to depression With regards to the top 20 most depressing albums... No Closer fans here? I'd a put this one at the top of the list. IMHO, it has all the elements of a truly depressing album...depressing lyrics, foreboding instrumentation and vocals. I love this one. By the way, I've got 10 of the 20, including the top 4. Maybe I need to go see a psychiatrist or something. I'm not sure I'd attach the phrase "depressing" to all these records though. Some are just in the melancholy / somber / reflective vein, a far cry from what I'd consider to be actually depressing to the listener. On a more frustrating note, my ISP has locked out any email-sending not done through a modem...which means that I can't send email from work to this list using my "mrrunion@palmnet.net" address anymore. This really sucks. Now I'll have to actually work 8 hours and do my emailing at night from home. Sheesh. Mike Mike Runion EG&G S&MA Data & Analyses; ADoCS Office 867-3619 BOC-251 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:27:15 -0500 From: "Runion-1, Michael" Subject: Re: Cope and Krautrock CooperTJ@aol.com wrote: > there has been lots of content recently about Julian Cope (a God-like genius > in my opinion) and Krautrock (Can, Amon Duul, etc). i'd recommend that anyone > interested in exploring Krautrock further pick up Julian's book > "Krautrocksampler." it covers the Cope experience with said bands, and is > pretty entertaining. Here's my question...is it just me and my unsettling sense of timing, or is there a subversive revival of Krautrock going on right now as we speak? Cope's been an avid lover since his college days, and has been successfully dabbling with the genre on his musical releases say since '89 or so. Then comes the above-mentioned tome a few years back. Now I pick up releases by the likes of Olivia Tremor Control or Neutral Milk Hotel or Sonic Youth or what have you and it seems as if everyone has got the bug for long sprawling space messes. The moog and other assorted synth-beasts are back in high fashion. A Can-remix album is released ("Sacrilege"). Granted, this stuff probably never really went away, and I'm still not convinced if I really *like* it... Kudos again to the "Krautrocksampler" book if anyone is interested. A quick and fairly comprehensive read (though nowhere near as enthralling as Cope's first book "Head On"). It tempted me to taste such arguable treasures as early Tangerine Dream and Amon Duul II...still looking for a nice CD copy of Tago Mago though. A somewhat kool web-page-based Krautrock message board can be found at: http://www.etete.com/krautrock/mb/ Mike Runion mrrunion@palmnet.net Mike Runion EG&G S&MA Data & Analyses; ADoCS Office 867-3619 BOC-251 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:58:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Gregory Stuart Shell Subject: Re: SXSW Film '98 - On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Elizabeth Morgan wrote: > Yes, eb, I'm thinking about making the trip. This is the information I > got from SXSW about the screening. Who else might go? For all it is worth, I am going, so be careful. If anyone would like a tour of the Hill Country, in central Texas let me know. It is really nice there so leave yourself a day to see Inks Lake State Park and Lake Travis. Downtown is cool,,... if your a fratboy. Gig'em Regards, Gregory S. Shell Subversive Specialist System Analyst ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 20:34:13 -0800 From: "Michael R. Runion" Subject: Krautrock Okay, I'll chime in here with a question. Is it just me and my unsettling sense of timing, or are the vestiges of Krautrock showing up a lot lately? Mr. Cope's loved the stuff since his college days and has successfully churned out his own take on the stuff on and off since '89 or so. Okay, fine and dandy, but here I am picking up disks by Olivia Tremor Control, Neutral Milk Hotel, Sonic Youth, etc. and it seems like everyone is drifting into weird freakout space messes. Moogs and other psycho-synths are back in fashion. Mr. Cope is writing books called "Krautrocksampler". Can remix albums ("Sacrilege") are showing up. Of course, this stuff probably never went away completely, but in my circle of music, it's seems to be cropping up a lot lately. By the way, I'll second that "Krautrocksampler" is intriguing. It tempted me to taste the long lost fruits of early Tangerine Dream and Amon Duul II. Though I'd recommend his first book "Head On" as being the better and more satisfying read. For those interested, there is an okay html-based message board at: http://www.etete.com/krautrock/mb/ Mike - -- ******* Mike Runion email: mrrunion@palmnet.net *** * Virtual Cone Museum * * http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/cones.htm * * Globe Of Fegs * * http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/fegmaps/ * ********************************************************* "Wait a minute! Time for a Planetary Sit-In!" - Julian Cope ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 20:44:16 -0800 From: "Michael R. Runion" Subject: Whoops (email related) Apparently my pp.ksc.nasa.gov emails DO make it through onto this list. Thanks woj (I think). Of course, now I'll wait for the shuttle police to come get me. If you don't hear from me for a few weeks, someone please call my wife! Mike - -- ******* Mike Runion email: mrrunion@palmnet.net *** * Virtual Cone Museum * * http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/cones.htm * * Globe Of Fegs * * http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/fegmaps/ * ********************************************************* "Wait a minute! Time for a Planetary Sit-In!" - Julian Cope ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 20:40:16 -0800 From: "Michael R. Runion" Subject: Subterranean email blues Does anyone else have this problem: My ISP recently rearranged their email setup so that the only way to send email out through their server is by dialing in via a modem. While I can still access my email from a network (say, at work), this eliminates my ability to reply (say, to this list). Also, Eddie, if you're out there, I got your snailmail the other day. Eddie apparently can't email me anymore - he gets an access denied message (because he's on hotmail?) Anyway, I'm bummed and wondering if I'm getting shafted here and need to find yet another ISP. Any friendly ideas out there? Mike (who would reply to this list using his Michael.Runion-1@ksc.nasa.gov address, only he's not subscribed under that one!) - -- ******* Mike Runion email: mrrunion@palmnet.net *** * Virtual Cone Museum * * http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/cones.htm * * Globe Of Fegs * * http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/fegmaps/ * ********************************************************* "Wait a minute! Time for a Planetary Sit-In!" - Julian Cope ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 20:59:14 -0800 From: "Michael R. Runion" Subject: No! Not another post from Mike! Sorry, but I went through withdrawals at work today not being able to post, so please bear with me. This'll be the last. I bought a few albums this weekend and thought I'd share: (1)Neutral Milk Hotel "On Avery Island" - Thanks for the suggestion, Eb. This one near-instantly struck home. A wonderfully catchy low-fi album with a flourishing Krautrock ending track. Most Elephant 6 stuff I've heard is turning out to be truly intriguing. (2)June Of 44 "Four Great Points" - an odd one I've been playing to death. Nothing at all like what I expected after listening to the first 3 minutes of the first track. I'm almost reminded of Washington Dischord stuff half the time. (3)Kristin Hersh "Strange Angels" - I loved "Hips & Makers". So far, this one has bored me. I'll have to give a few more pay-attention type spins. (4)Pearl Jam "Yield" - Okay, a mainstream one slipped in here and I'm so glad it did. An awesome album from a band that continues to raise my impression with each release. I imagine there's not a lot of outed Pearl Jam fans here, but I really think this one is great. Not that indie skeletons are bad, but it's nice to listen to a record with some meat on its bones once in a while (IMHO). Mike (signing off for good tonight). - -- ******* Mike Runion email: mrrunion@palmnet.net *** * Virtual Cone Museum * * http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/cones.htm * * Globe Of Fegs * * http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/fegmaps/ * ********************************************************* "Wait a minute! Time for a Planetary Sit-In!" - Julian Cope ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:12:51 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: let's get depressed (zilch Robyn) >dwdudic@erols.com wrote: >> And what about the SMiths? > >Sorry, people, but this is one of my little bugbears. The Smiths are >*not* usually depressing, though that's the common misconception. They >are blackly humorous. Morrissey really is one of pop's great comedians, >and I could quote zillions of his lyrics which are intentionally funny. >(Eb, don't you start with me on this one. You may have blocked it out, >but I actually *won* this argument with you a few months back... ;)) Too bad he has the most annoying voice in recorded history. ;P Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 04:31:52 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther) Subject: here goes more velvets On Mon, 9 Feb 1998 03:25:11 -0500, you wrote: > This is a difficult one because "What goes on" is not >much more than a jamming session and yet it's my favourite off VU'69. = But >for some reason "What goes on" just works for me whereas I really think >they should have ended European Son after three minutes. Simple- the whole song conveys the beat in WGO (my fav velvets, song, btw), whereas ES becomes just noise. -lkuther ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 04:33:56 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther) Subject: Syd on stage? not bloody likely... On Mon, 9 Feb 1998 03:25:11 -0500, you wrote: > >Mystery of the month...a nameless, phone numberless piece of paper = arrived=20 >in the VOX offices asking the cryptic question; >=20 >"Is it true that _*Syd Barrett*_ has a new band called *Hieronymus = Fin*?" > >Anybody out there able to elucidate? No time wasters, please. Well, as Syd hasn't touched a guitar in over twenty years, and "has to be Roger now for the rest of his life" :-), I think this is just a rumor. Of course, maybe they meant ROKY ERIKSON, who DOES 'perform' (after a fasion) sporadically. -luther > >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:53:33 -0500 From: nicastr@IDT.NET (Ben) Subject: Re: Smiths (zilch Robyn) >dwdudic@erols.com wrote: >> And what about the SMiths? > >Sorry, people, but this is one of my little bugbears. The Smiths are >*not* usually depressing, though that's the common misconception. They >are blackly humorous. Morrissey really is one of pop's great comedians, >and I could quote zillions of his lyrics which are intentionally funny. >(Eb, don't you start with me on this one. You may have blocked it out, >but I actually *won* this argument with you a few months back... ;)) > >Danielle, who would be hard pressed to choose between 'Venus in Furs' >and 'Femme Fatale' >PS James, I think you and I were listening to Straitjacket Fits at the >same time! Synchronicity... :) I agree, there are a number of Smiths songs that are quite humerous. Maybe because they are performed in a straightfoward manner people don't get it? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:48:14 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: weirdness abounds (Kinks = 100%) I believe that "Percy" was just rereleased last week, with several other titles being rereleased this week -- none in the U.S., but they are supposedly remastered and reportedly have many bonus tracks. Now, what does anyone who has heard it think of the musical content of "Percy". I really like everything by the Kinks up through "Lola", but I haven't heard anything since then that I've liked, including "Muswell Hillbillies" (the album right after "Percy", which is right after "Lola"). The review of "Percy" in the All Music Guide (which is only half-way reliable, as far as my tastes go) gave it only two stars, but the actual right-up seemed quite favorable. If it's at least almost as good an album as "Lola", I'll get it. If not, I can do without. What say ye? - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:41:51 -0600 From: Miles Subject: Re: Xfiles declines At 05:54 PM 2/9/98 -0500, Ken Ostrander wrote: > all of you x-files doomsayers can rest assured that this is >the last season for the show. from what i understand, the movie coming out >this year is supposed to finish it all up. i hope not though. I really don't think this is the last season. The show is almost certainly moving production from Vancouver to L.A., but the "'97-'98 as final season; film ends series" rumors are little more than that, at least right now. The thing that's more likely to be true is that there may be only 3-4 more new episodes *this* season. > i love the show, though the one-shot episodes are >typically less engaging than the juicy conspiracy saga. I have no idea how the demographics fall out on this issue, since my limited internet time precludes me from sifting for nuggets of wisdom in the heavily-trafficked X-FILES newsgroups and lists, but my wife and I strongly prefer the "one-shot episodes." When I first started watching the show midway through its first season, one of the things that attracted us to it was that it was the first almost-purely episodic show of such quality since... since... THE TWILIGHT ZONE, perhaps. What Letterman would call a "good old-fashioned creep-out." Almost all my favorite episodes -- the "fluke man," the cockroaches, the stigmata, to name a few -- were "one-shot" deals. I find the "juicy conspiracy saga" to be more distracting than savory. This preference may be connected with how seriously one wants to take the show. I find that my more, um, "intense" friends and acquaintances prefer the continuing story episodes, whereas I enjoy the show more when it's more fantastic and/or goofy, tendencies which of course drives the former group up the wall. For what it's worth, the continuing plot line has finally reached a very interesting juncture, since it's called into question the authenticity of nearly everything Mulder and Scully have seen and done. Heck, Mulder may have hallucinated the whole thing after huffing all that paranoia gas (in the "origins of the Lone Gunmen" episode)! ObRobyn: I had my first Robyn Hitchcock dream the other night, though I have since forgotten the particulars other than I was supposed to get a message to him before a gig. That same night, I had another dream where I woke up (still in the dream) and turned on the TV, which was filled with live reports about John Lennon's *suicide.* Now, even while dreaming, I was aware that in the waking world, Lennon had been murdered in December 1980. But a strange feeling came over me, a feeling of certainty, as though a voice was telling me "this is what would have happened had he not been shot." When I woke up, I really felt like I had visited a parallel dimension, and I pondered which of Lennon's fates was the saddest, the one where he was gunned down by a madman just as he seemed poised to reenter the wider world, or the one where he has lived eighteen years longer but had finally run out of reasons to go on. later, Miles ============================================================== JASON WILKINS (of Neilson Hubbard): Victor's was just starting to happen, then it burned down. BILL LLOYD: That's a pretty good metaphor for the Nashville rock scene. -- NASHVILLE SCENE, Jan. 15, 1998 Miles Goosens outdoorminer@mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles ============================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:02:32 -0500 From: nicastr@IDT.NET (Ben) Subject: Re: Xfiles declines >>> >Eb, still cringing from tonight's unbelievably terrible X Files and >>> >wondering why the HELL Stephen King is successful >>> >>> ....On an off-topic rant (well, there was an episode called >>> "momento mori" :-) ) does any one else think the Xfiles is running out >>> of steam? >> >>the xfiles has been washed up for a couple years in my opinion - i just >>can't watch it anymore - just can't do it. Not that I am a big X-Files fan or anything, but I heard that King subbmitted the story to the producers of the X-files, who deemed it "too gruesome". Instead of trashing it, they rewrote the script, and King didn't put up a fuss. So what you saw was not 100% Stephen King's fault, I guess. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:21:26 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: 20 depressing!!! (no robyn, but a good cheap laugh) I have, in one form or another, 13 of the 20 on the list. I have the Nick Drake box and not just "Way to Blue", although that is a great primer; I have several Leonard Cohen discs, so I don't have his "Best Of", and I have the Lou Reed box set, so I don't own "Berlin" (although I do have "Transformer", which is great throughout). What else. . . let's see. . . several Nick Cave albums, but not "Murder Ballads"; David Sylvian's "Secrets of the Beehive", but no Japan. Now, I really like "Black Celebration", but mostly because it's kind of cute and nostalgiac for me (in a dark and tecky- goth sort of way). One last thought: Right on, Luther! Glad to see someone else who appreciates "Animals", which I greatly prefer to "The Wall". Well, I hope that having 65% of the most depressing albums of all time doesn't make me seem too dismal a person. At least I don't start a book by reading the end, just in case I die; therefore, elduing Harry's (of "When Harry Met Sally", of course) criterion for being "dark". Happy moping, everyone! - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:31:47 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Xfiles declines On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Ben wrote: > Not that I am a big X-Files fan or anything, but I heard that King > subbmitted the story to the producers of the X-files, who deemed it "too > gruesome". Instead of trashing it, they rewrote the script, and King didn't > put up a fuss. So what you saw was not 100% Stephen King's fault, I guess. See, that's funny, because I read the exact opposite. I read that they solicited episodes from several pop authors and actually returend King's saying "Can you make this... um... scarier?" I'm super concerned about next weeks William Gibson penned episode. This could either be really cool or really painful. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:39:38 EST From: KarmaFuzzz@aol.com Subject: Re: Closer to depression Michael.Runion-1@pp.ksc.nasa.gov writes: > No Closer fans here? I'd a put this one at the top of the list. IMHO, > it has all the elements of a truly depressing album...depressing lyrics, > foreboding instrumentation and vocals. I love this one. well, i'd probably have placed it on top too. definitely one of the three or four truly perfect albums. as far as i'm concerned, Joy Division were the greatest band of all time, except maybe the beatles. anyone who doesn't like this opinion can of course disagree cheerfully, or kma. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:40:39 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: weirdness abounds (RH=1%) On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, Eb wrote: > Eb, still cringing from tonight's unbelievably terrible X Files and > wondering why the HELL Stephen King is successful Yeah, it was horrible. The scenes with Mulder by himself (and bored to tears with Scully gone) were funny and charming and all as usual. But it was just terribly written and not at all interesting. I must say, most episodes of The X-Files these days are only worth watching for the first maybe fifteen minutes and then I do something else while it's going on in the background just in case something interesting happens. (notable exceptions of the past two years would be that Lone Gunmen episode and that cool shapshifter feller witht the tail). I guess I shouldn't be going on about the X-Files here, but I'm not too sure if this list cares anymore. Don't get me wrong, I love it. It's just a very conversational list. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #50 ******************************