From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #48 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, February 8 1998 Volume 07 : Number 048 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: I like can [Eb ] Re: Mope Rock Top 20 & The Beatles [Terrence M Marks ] Robyn writings + Kraftwerk + VU ["Matthew Knights" ] Re: Robyn writings + Kraftwerk + VU [Eb ] fegfic and other stories [woj ] Re: let's get depressed! :-) [KarmaFuzzz@aol.com] Cale, anyone [dwdudic@erols.com (luther)] ATTN: Cellist fegs --- HELP ! [Ross Overbury ] Eb, list Grim Reaper.... [Eb ] www.fegmania.org! [woj ] Re: John Wesley Harding [TheShrike9@aol.com] Re: Eb, list Grim Reaper.... ["Chris, the missing years." ] Re: John Wesley Harding [KarmaFuzzz@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 03:06:05 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: I like can >Luther opined:(re a Can mix tape) >It's called Cannabalism. actually, it is 2 CD's, available >separately...great primer!!! I don't look kindly upon Cannibalism, because so many of the tracks are edited down from their original lengths. I still say that Tago Mago is the definitive "primer." Eb Neutral Milk Hotel webpage: http://btc.gatech.edu/neutral/ Merge Records homepage: http://merge.catalogue.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 08:51:33 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Mope Rock Top 20 & The Beatles Well, I think the Beatles are pretty good, but they aren't all that. They're a good band, but not *that* much better than most of the other good bands out there. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 15:43:07 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther) Subject: uncle zimmy On Sat, 7 Feb 1998 03:25:11 -0500, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:55:46 EST >From: MARKEEFE@aol.com >Subject: Re: Dylan quote (No robyn, but Uncle Bob is kinda folky too) > > That was a great quote :-), but, for anyone out there who might = actually >believe that Bob Dylan can't play guitar, check out 1992's "Good As I = Been to >You". Some pretty good pickin' on there! Now, if he had been talking = about >his singing. . . > >- -----Michael K.] ...and ":world gone wrong", too! He is actually a really good rthym player...I mean, he's no Richard Thompson, but who is? -luther ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 15:43:15 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther) Subject: let's get depressed! :-) On Sat, 7 Feb 1998 03:25:11 -0500, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 14:26:09 +1200 >From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) >Subject: Deprtessing/Beatles/Imploding (RH=3D0%, sorry!) > >>I saw a "top ten depressing albums" list in the paper this morning, >>reprinted from "The Band", which was headed by: >> >>1. Leonard Cohen's Greatest Hits. >>2. Berlin by Lou Reed >>3. Way to Blue by Nick Drake > >the writer has obviously never heard "Nebraska" by Broos Springsteen. >Surprised "The Wall" isn't in there, too. As for Laughing Lenny Cohen... >his music isn't really depressing in a true sense of the word - he just = has >the world's blackest sense of humour. I think "Nebraska" is on the full top 20 list... BUT Richard Thompson, "the king of doom and gloom", is on there nowhere!!! Huh? And what about the SMiths? or Joy Division? or Mark Eitzel/ American Music Club? -luther ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 19:23:18 -0000 From: "Matthew Knights" Subject: Re: CAN luther and Dave enthused: < It's called Cannabalism. actually, it is 2 CD's, available separately...great primer!!!> Sorry to spoil the party but I've got Cannabalism and it did nothing for me. I'll give it one more try but, honestly, last time I listened to it I found myself gazing at my watch waiting for the album to end. The only can I like is full of bees. IMO, most other cans belong where god and the beatles intended - in the trash. Matt ( posting in the style of Eb today! ) _________________________________________________________________ Matthew Knights mknights@harrywasp.prestel.co.uk `Ton ame est un lac d'amour dont mes desirs sont les cygnes...' _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 19:22:01 -0000 From: "Matthew Knights" Subject: Robyn writings + Kraftwerk + VU On a less negative note: I think a web collection of Robyn writings is a great idea and I think it would be good if this included Robyn's extensive words of wisdom from tapes of his gigs. I like Kraftwerk's 'The Model' but not 'Autobahn'. Aged 16, Sister Ray was my favourite VU album. I was so obsessed with this album I once designed and made myself a 'Sister Ray' T-shirt using screen printing techniques. Run Run Run was and remains my favourite track off the Banana album with All Tomorrows Parties a close second. Does anyone have a single clue what Run Run Run is meant to be about? Like a lot of people I misunderstood the words of 'Waiting for the Man'. I thought it was about being gay until someone corrected me that it was about drugs. I think the weakest tracks are Femme Fatal and European Son. I didn't like Loaded at first but it grew on me and now I like it a lot. I love it when Robyn covers 'Satellite of Love'. Matt _________________________________________________________________ Matthew Knights mknights@harrywasp.prestel.co.uk `Ton ame est un lac d'amour dont mes desirs sont les cygnes...' _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 14:19:29 -0600 (CST) From: amadain Subject: Re: CAN > found myself gazing at my watch waiting for the album to end. The only can > I like is full of bees. IMO, most other cans belong where god and the > beatles intended - in the trash. Are you trying to imply that recycling bins are evil? Love on ya, Susan P.S. Re: your other post- I'd have to cordially disagree. I really dig "European Son", I love all the loud feedback and screechy noises. And "Femme Fatale" is great just for the way Nico says "what a klon", but I do think Lou sings it better. P.P.S. I always thought "Run Run Run" was about a really unlucky person......oh wait, that's a different one :). Seriously, I think it's about a person with withdrawal sickness trying desperately to make a connection. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 13:09:57 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Robyn writings + Kraftwerk + VU >Run Run Run was and remains my favourite track off >the Banana album with All Tomorrows Parties a close second. Funny, Run Run Run is probably my LEAST favorite song on that album. (My fave is "Venus in Furs," probably.) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 16:27:17 -0500 From: woj Subject: fegfic and other stories also sprach luther: >P.S. # 1: given the long 'robynesqe' threads of strange writtings, has >anyonw thought about doing a robyn-list fan writtings, comp? i don't think we need to have a separate mailing list for those posts. while they have been large, they've been relatively few and far between. as long as they don't overrun the list entirely, i'm not going to do anything about 'em. also sprach dlang: >I'm going to get a Robyn site together "sometime " soon and I'd be >prepared to post them up as part of the siteworks links . Would they >already be kept on the archives, or would that only save strongly RH >related material? anything ever posted to fegmaniax is automatically included in the archives (which, i should probably note, are publically open to anybody). so, these posts are already included in the archives. however, they are pretty hard to extract, so it may not be a bad idea to make copies available on a separate page. if and when i ever get the feg-fandome section of the fegsite built, i was thinking of including these various writings, provided none of the authors minded. also sprach matthew knights: >I think a web collection of Robyn writings is a great idea and I think it some of the short stories are already scattered throughout the archives (which can be found at , at least for the time being). looks in the liner notes and stories sections. >would be good if this included Robyn's extensive words of wisdom from tapes >of his gigs. better start transcribing now! woj n.p. um, nothing! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 17:19:13 EST From: KarmaFuzzz@aol.com Subject: Re: let's get depressed! :-) In a message dated 98-02-07 11:23:44 EST, dwdudic@erols.com writes: > I think "Nebraska" is on the full top 20 list... > BUT Richard Thompson, "the king of doom and gloom", is on > there nowhere!!! > Huh? > And what about the SMiths? or Joy Division? or Mark Eitzel/ > American Music Club? The Full top 20: 1 Leonard Cohen - Greatest Hits 2 Lou Reed - Berlin 3 Nick Drake - Way To Blue 4 Joy Division - Closer ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 5 Tindersticks - Second Album 6 Manic Street Preachers - The Holy Bible 7 Red House Painters - Double Album 8 Baby Bird - Dying Happy 9 Tricky - Pre-Millennium Tension 10 Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Murder Ballads 11 American Music Club - Mercury ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 12 Pink Floyd - The Wall 13 The Cure - Disintegration 14 Bob Dylan - Blood On The Tracks 15 Japan - Tin Drum 16 Bruce Springsteen - Nebraska ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 17 Depeche Mode - Black Celebration 18 R.E.M. - Automatic For The People 19 Nirvana - Unplugged 20 David Bowie - Low depressingly, i only have 7 albums that made the list, and two of those i can think of at least 3-4 albums by that artists more depressing (the cure & depeche mode). and nirvana unplugged is probably only depressing in context of what happenned with kurt a few months later. excuse me, while i slit my wrists............ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 01:20:32 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther) Subject: Cale, anyone On Sat, 7 Feb 1998 03:25:11 -0500, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 20:15:40 -0600 (CST) >From: amadain >Subject: Re: defending Paul > >> Hey Susan! "All shook down' may not be a true Replacement's >> album (those ended with "Pleased to meet me"), but it is still a very >> fine album...very emotional, a little psychotic (feels like Richard >> Thompson!), but good...even if there is no Bob Stinson anywhere. > >That was actually not meant as a dismissal of "All Shook Down" -or- >"Loaded", I was merely drawing a parallel between the two. Ok...my apologies. (I've had people group them together as "sell-out" records, whatever that means.) > >> -luther >> (who actually rather likes "Loaded") > >I rather like "Loaded" as well. But it -is- lacking in the Cale viola=20 >drone that makes songs like "Heroin" so fucking great, and also to me it >lacks a certain experimental, on the edges punch that the other stuff = has, >which may or may not have to do with Cale's departure. Personally I = think >that it was the lack of the -conflict- between Cale and Reed that made >that such a different-sounding record, not so much the lack of Cale per >se. It's a wonderful album, but not the same at all *pout* :). Nah, I don't think the CONFLICT made it so good, it was Cale's contributions. Any suggestions on good Cale albums for beginners? -luther oh yeah, a connection- John Cale played violin on "sadly beautiful" on All shook down. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 98 22:18:26 EST From: Ross Overbury Subject: ATTN: Cellist fegs --- HELP ! I have some questions on the care and feeding of celli. Can a feg in the know help a newbie cellist finish a Glass Flesh contribution? It's mostly to do with keeping this thing from self destructing while it's in my custody. Some pointers on bowing would help, too. - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 20:41:57 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Eb, list Grim Reaper.... Weekend death toll: Falco Carl Wilson (Do you suppose that asshole Mike Love will finally hang up the Beach Boys banner now?) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 23:59:37 -0500 From: woj Subject: www.fegmania.org! also sprach woj: >some of the short stories are already scattered throughout the archives >(which are at , of course, this is wrong wrong wrong. go there and all you will find are the mailing list archives. if, on the other hand, one were to point one's browser at , one would find the short stories that i mentioned before. so, i suppose this is as good a time as any to let everyone know that the fegmania.org domain is up and functional. i moved everything as-is from the old location to the new one this afternoon, so it's not been spiffy up or anything. but at least the url is shorter and will fit better on a t-shirt. ;) please update your links and bookmarks! thanks! woj ps. those of you who have registered the site with the url-minder need not worry about updating anything. once i switch everything over for good, i'll set up a redirector which will automatically update your registration. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 18:51:59 EST From: TheShrike9@aol.com Subject: Re: John Wesley Harding Allen, can you see that this gets to the proper channels.... I agree with the live shows being better than the tapes...I list "It Happened One Night" and All the live tracks on Dynablob 2 as some of my favorite music...and it's a little late for me to not think that he sounds like Elvis Costello...it's been there for quite some time. Besides Elvis hates him...I think because they sound so much alike at times and then again Elvis hates just about everybody...and Bruce and Pete Thomas of The Attractions sometimes play back up for Wes on his albums...I can't really agree with the last album being his best...I thought that "New Deal" was the sell out album...although there were a few good songs on it..."Cupid and Psycho, Other Peoples Failure, Secret Angel"...to name a few...I couldn't help but notice that when I saw him in live in November...that he was a little bitter and some of the new songs show it...but I think he's at his best when he's sarcastic and pissed off about something. I also have a theory that he and his wife Denise might have divorced...the song he played called: "You should have listened to Wes" was the first one and it involved a woman packing her bags and leaving. I could be wrong though folks. But it sounds like the next studio album could be a good angry album..."Awake" He sounds pretty angry and some of the songs did too like " Blood, tears, sweat, cum" I never thought that the word cum could be said with such pathos; it was about relationships and how they sometimes or usually live on the exchange of these fluids....It sounds like there might be another "Why we Fight" album this time...which I think is one of his better studio albums. As far as him being nice, I can agree to a point...I think that if you take a good long look at him, he looks like somebody who has the real potential for being a big asshole...but he was nice to me and he thanked me for the Hamlet t-shirt that I gave to him. signed my cd and sent me on my way...My friend Clark and I even chatted with him for a little in between shows at the Tin Angel, which was cool...On the comparisons to Robyn Hitchcock...I think they're definately from two different schools...it's more of a combination of Billy Bragg and early Bruce Springsteen with maybe a touch of Robyn and a bit of Elvis Costello and Woody Guthrie (just from the story aspect) I like the fact that he comments on what he sees and tries to jam lyrics together like Springsteen did on the Asbury Park album...I like the fact that he never really sounds too polished on his music ( on some of the albums)...it makes him feel sort of accessible in a way... like maybe I could play some of his songs...if I was a better guitar player that is...I must also agree that his album..."The Name Above the Title" is by far one of the worst albums he's done...I think that he was trying to cash in on the moderate success of "Here Comes the Groom" and just couldn't quite fill out the album...outside of a few songs like "People's Drug" and "Person You are" and the cover of "Crystal Blue Persuasion" the rest of the album is pretty much crap...but I still don't mind hearing it once in a while and that doesn't change the fact that I still know all the words to the songs on that album too... One final note...He has a single out for New Deal that's simply called "Other People's Failure" and I think that it's got some of the coolest stuff he's done since Why We Fight " -- outside of the Dynablobs. It's got the David Lewis and Wes team up which didn't make it to New Deal called "Death of the Ghostwriter" which ranks up there with Red Rose and the Briar, Ordinary Weekend, and Cupid and Psycho. "When the Beatles Hit America" is a great sarcastic song about the reissue of all the Beatles stuff on their anthologies...which cracks me up...it's one of his talking songs but it's delightfully sarcastic... anyway kids, chickens, and daughters of the American Revolution, that's my diatribe on the music of Wes...I hope I didn't scare you... Be good all of you and remember, it's not what you're doing, but what you're caught doing... Eric M, TheShrike9 why 9 you ask, because there must be eight more who read the Dan Simmons novels too...go figure.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 22:29:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Chris, the missing years." Subject: Re: Eb, list Grim Reaper.... > Weekend death toll: > Carl Wilson > > (Do you suppose that asshole Mike Love will finally hang up the Beach Boys > banner now?) > ...No. But, It would be sweet irony if Brian Wilson outlived them all. Not that it would mean anything in terms of product or output... .chris (who has noticed that many of the recent top whatever lists have had a disproportionate number of recent and very recent releases on them; subjectivity getting in the way of subjectivity?) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 02:07:38 EST From: KarmaFuzzz@aol.com Subject: Re: John Wesley Harding In a message dated 98-02-08 00:38:52 EST, TheShrike9@aol.com writes: > "When the Beatles Hit America" is a great > sarcastic song about the reissue of all the Beatles stuff on their > anthologies... and which pre-dates the anthology by about 5-6 years..... ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #48 ******************************