From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #47 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, February 7 1998 Volume 07 : Number 047 Today's Subjects: ----------------- The Scissor Fits ["Matthew Knights" ] [XTC CRD] One of the Millions [Terrence M Marks ] Re: ..Will Robyn bring the bearer of the banana? [chichi@io.com (Zelda Pi] Dylan quote (No robyn, but Uncle Bob is kinda folky too) [Gary Sedgwick <] Storefront Hitchcock at SXSW! ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: a ten-bob note up my nose [amadain ] Re: Dylan quote (No robyn, but Uncle Bob is kinda folky too) [MARKEEFE@ao] Re: Can/Opinions wanted [Keith Hanlon ] Re: Welsh growth -- in Japan ["Gregory S. Shell" ] Portland fegs with dreams of travelling [John Barrington Jones ] Deprtessing/Beatles/Imploding (RH=0%, sorry!) [james.dignan@stonebow.otag] more can [dwdudic@erols.com (luther)] krautrock [dwdudic@erols.com (luther)] I like can [dwdudic@erols.com (luther)] defending Paul [dwdudic@erols.com (luther)] Re: defending Paul [amadain ] Re: Mope Rock Top 20 & The Beatles [Eb ] Re: Mope Rock Top 20 & The Beatles [amadain ] RE:I like can [dlang ] Strange Robynesque writtings [dlang ] RE: Welsh growth in japan [dlang ] WB site updated [John Barrington Jones ] Retraction. [John Barrington Jones ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:00:20 -0000 From: "Matthew Knights" Subject: The Scissor Fits Mike Runion looked: I found a smashed vinyl 45 over Christmas. I remember it handed out free to audience members by the fun loving Scissor Fits at one of their gigs years ago. The Scissor Fits once supported Robyn but they were so good I went to see them in their own right. The single contains the classic tracks "I don't want to to work for British Airways" and "The government knows about UFO's". Matt _________________________________________________________________ Matthew Knights mknights@harrywasp.prestel.co.uk `Ton ame est un lac d'amour dont mes desirs sont les cygnes...' _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 08:55:29 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: [XTC CRD] One of the Millions 1) I don't care enough abotu XTC to join the XTC mailing list 2) A fair number of you are XTC fans. If one or two of you could look this over and make sure it's wirhgt, I'd be obliged. Verse bass C D C D G:-5-4h5-4h5--2------------------------- D:-------------------------3?----------- A:-------------5--5-3-5--5---5---------- E:-------------------------------------- G:-5-4h5-4h5-2-------------------------- D:-------------------------------------- A:-------------5--5-3-5--5-3-0---------- E:-------------------------------------- Chorus Bass G:----4-7-6h7-6h7-6p4----4-7-6h7-6h7-6h9--- D:----------------------------------------- A:-7-------------------7-----------------7- E:----------------------------------------- (Second time around, it's something similar, but more complex that I can't quite make out) Intro /A /B C D C D I got so much to say but I'm afraid it'll come out wrong C D C I'm not akin to the eighties thing where you look out for D number one D E But I won't D E rock the boat D E 'cause I'm scared D E what might happen I won't rock the boat 'cause I'm one of the millions C D He never seems to do anything C D I never seem to do anything C D He never seems to do anything And everytime I get the urge to strike out on my own Insecurity wraps me up it's cold outside the fold But I won't rock the boat 'cause I'm scared what might happen I won't rock the boat 'Cause I'm one of the millions A G I'm running steady C Oh so steady A G C D So safe and sound I could drown C I could drown [Not too sure about bridge] I've had my fill of living in my cosy armhcair land but all my schemes come to a humuliating end But I won't rock the boat 'cause I'm scared what might happen I won't rock the boat 'cause I'm one of the millions Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 08:27:08 -0400 From: chichi@io.com (Zelda Pinwheel) Subject: Re: ..Will Robyn bring the bearer of the banana? At 11:08 PM 2/5/1998, Carole Reichstein wrote:> >And hey, how many of you on this list went to the filming of SH? I know >some people have muttered something about it. Hands please! You're about >to be famous! (famous in the best possible way, obscurely so) well...I did, but I don't like to mention it, for fear that Eb will mock me. : ) z ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:20:02 -0000 From: Gary Sedgwick Subject: Dylan quote (No robyn, but Uncle Bob is kinda folky too) From February's Mojo interview with Dylan: "You can't even call my guitar playing guitar playing ... In my group, the drummer is the lead guitar player." Gary ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:26:53 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Storefront Hitchcock at SXSW! Go to , you'll see: Along with narrative and documentary Competition films and First Films showcase, SXSW Film presents premieres of: Storefront Hitchcock, directed by Jonathan Demme and starring Robyn Hitchcock. and The Big Lebowski, a Coen brothers film starring John Goodman and Jeff Bridges. (woop!) No dates, but at least it's announced! I'll be there alright. +++++++++++++++++ "Put your pants back on, + Gene Hopstetter, Jr. + Moltar, and direct the show!" +++++++++++++++++ -- Space Ghost ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 12:35:31 -0600 (CST) From: amadain Subject: Re: a ten-bob note up my nose On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, M R Godwin wrote: > > This Beatles discussion is fraught with difficulties in view of the fact > that many of the UK releases were different, running (from memory): > > 'Magical Mystery Tour' was a double-EP in the UK, not an album. I was going by the US CD re-releases, which follow the pattern of the British releases (e.g., you won't see "Yesterday, Today & Tomorrow" as a CD). So actually with the exception of "Magical Mystery Tour" (and the "Yellow Submarine" soundtrack, which I included and you did not) we'd end up with the same count. I was not aware that the UK "Magical Mystery Tour" was different. My point was that the disagreement I had with my SO stemmed from the fact that I was only willing to include what I considered "official" "actual albums" (probably "Yellow Submarine" should be a half in that case, but no need to be TOO picky :)) in my count, as opposed to randomly put together ones like "Hey Jude", whereas he insisted that a total count should include -everything- released as an album anywhere, regardless of "butchering" :). It was really a question of semantics, more than anything, I guess. Also it had to do with the fact that he grew up in the midst of the album era, and I grew up during the CD/album transitional era. When I was actually buying these, I was buying the CD re-releases, so I only dimly knew of the various chopped-together American LPS, and just thought of them as trivia question answers, more or less (well, I also thought of them as travesties, but that's something else altogether). When he was buying these, they were "albums", and he's somewhat resistant to my claims that his copy of "Rubber Soul" is "IN THE WRONG ORDER, DAMMIT, AND WHERE IS DRIVE MY CAR?" :). Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:55:46 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Dylan quote (No robyn, but Uncle Bob is kinda folky too) That was a great quote :-), but, for anyone out there who might actually believe that Bob Dylan can't play guitar, check out 1992's "Good As I Been to You". Some pretty good pickin' on there! Now, if he had been talking about his singing. . . - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 15:01:00 -0500 From: Keith Hanlon Subject: Re: Can/Opinions wanted I too fell in love with Tago Mago the minute I heard it (yup, in 1990). I couldn't believe that whole "Manchester Beat" was ripped straight from "Hallelujah." And repeated over and over and over and over.... Viva Jaki Liebezeit! Keith PS: All Mommyheads fans should visit the "Acorn" website: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/6068 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 14:28:42 -0600 From: "Gregory S. Shell" Subject: Re: Welsh growth -- in Japan Ross Overbury wrote: > > The doyen of Japan's Welsh speakers is Hywel Glyndwr, or Professor > Hioshi Mizutani. He has studied Welsh for 20 years and is the author > of Mainchini Wales - Go O Hanasoo (Let's Speak Welsh Every Day). The > 250-page book covers everything from pronunciation to culture and > history. Two hundred and fifty pages! Man, he must have really been reaching for those last hundred and fifty. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:29:57 -0800 From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Portland fegs with dreams of travelling Hey Portland fegs-- I was at Music Millenium yesterday and noticed that they are sponsoring a drawing. Grand prize: An all expenses paid trip to SXSW! Not sure when it all ends, so go there soon. Bye! John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:34:26 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Mope Rock Top 20 & The Beatles Well, I just had to pass this along to the Tindersticks list that I'm on (Marbles). They'll get a kick out of it. Unfortunately, I may have to unsubscribe from said list, as I've just found out that at least 2 of the members on the list DON'T LIKE THE BEATLES!!!! I've never even heard of such a thing. Totally intolerable. Please tell me that there isn't anyone on *this* who doesn't like the Beatles. A downtown-bound bus passes by every fifteen minutes; I don't want to have to jump in front of one of them. I tried to impress upon those poor mixed up kids on the T-Sticks list that, without the White Album, there likely never would have been a Tindersticks (godhead; buy it now) first album (self-titled, w/ gipsy dancer on cover). Sigh. But I'm confident that the good Feg-people of this list have more perspective (and better taste). I'll just assume that anyone who *doesn't* reply to this post *is* a Beatles fan and simply realizes that it won't be necessary to engage in the orgy of hand-raising that such a survey would inspire (next topic: who likes pizza?). I'm already sensing the strength of your solidarity as your pointers/arrows stay far away from your 'REPLY' buttons. I thank you. - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:09:00 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: a ten-bob note up my nose This Beatles discussion is fraught with difficulties in view of the fact that many of the UK releases were different, running (from memory): Please Please Me With the Beatles Beatles for Sale Hard Day's Night Help Rubber Soul Revolver Sgt Pepper White Album Abbey Road Let It Be 'Magical Mystery Tour' was a double-EP in the UK, not an album. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 14:26:09 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Deprtessing/Beatles/Imploding (RH=0%, sorry!) >I saw a "top ten depressing albums" list in the paper this morning, >reprinted from "The Band", which was headed by: > >1. Leonard Cohen's Greatest Hits. >2. Berlin by Lou Reed >3. Way to Blue by Nick Drake the writer has obviously never heard "Nebraska" by Broos Springsteen. Surprised "The Wall" isn't in there, too. As for Laughing Lenny Cohen... his music isn't really depressing in a true sense of the word - he just has the world's blackest sense of humour. >It reminds me a bit of a debate I got in recently with the SO about the >exact number of Beatles albums, when he insisted there were more than 13, >which was my count (figuring in the "Yellow Submarine" soundtrack). Turns >out it was really more of a purist vs. non-purist argument, as I flatly >refused to count anything but the Parlophone releases, and he was figuring >in "Yesterday and Today" &c., ... Ah, but were you counting Magical Mysery Tour - originally issued as two EPs? >which to my mind are -not- albums as God and the Beatles intended :). erm... let's get this accurate. You mean 'as the Beatles and God intended' ;) >Bands with two compatible but fairly different types of visionaries >(excluding Spinal Tap, of course :)) seem for the most part doomed to >implode not always. Sometimes the opposites create a gestalt - become more than a sum of their parts. That was the beauty of the Beatles, and also of Waters/Gilmour Pink Floyd. In fact, the best tracks are often those which are made up of parts by each of the disparate writing talents, eg "A day in the Life" and "Comfortably Numb" respectively. Admittedly, implosion is always a danger... the bands often tend to walk that thin, but volatile, line. James np - an album from NZ's great imploding opposite band: "Melt" (Straitjacket Fits) James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 01:33:27 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther) Subject: more can On Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:33:16 -0500, you wrote: > >i actually have the entire CAN collection carried by mute records and >it's a pretty diverse collection of sounds that range over 25 years or >so. they messed with everything during their days... the talking heads >- - up through "speaking in tongues" - owe ALOT to CAN also. Well, Speaking in Tongues reeks of riffs from the super-cool =46ela Kuti, too...(now, if only Robyn got into afropop- how would it sound?) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 01:33:23 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther) Subject: krautrock On Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:33:16 -0500, you wrote: > >Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 21:20:35 +2910 >From: dlang >Subject: Re:Re:RE; opinions wanted was a major revelation for me. (And = that wasn't ALL that long ago...1990, I believe.) > >EB Sed >Can is awesome. The first time I heard Tago Mago and "Yoo Doo Right," >that >was a major revelation for me. (And that wasn't ALL that long >ago...1990, I >believe.) > AHHHHHH-Tago Mago- my favorite track is Augmn, I also used it to do >drama with year eight high school kids for about five years.Just the >first five minutes or so. I used them to create horror and haunted house >sequences to it. Blew their little minds it did. >I honestly can't think of a bad Can album, their variety is awe >inspiring and they are able to create perfect soundscapes for almost any >mood one can think of. One of the classic bands of all time. I have some >good BBC tapes of them which are really good too. >Dave Lang. (the olde fart , etc, etc, etc, ) >=20 Yeah, Can is pretty good (once you get past the vocals- what other band on earth has had not one (Syd Barrett/ Roky Erikson/ Sky Saxon, anyone?), but TWO singers get committed!! Actually, If I could remove the vocals from some of their songs, I could listen to them a bit more... =09 Might as well mention the fact that members of CAN have also played with Jah Wobble's Invaders of the Heart, in numerous incarnations. And we ALL know Julian "I'm not a Robyn clone, he's not a clone of me, we just both developed simultaneously wierd!" Cope wrote a book on Krautrock, right? -luther P.S. # 1: given the long 'robynesqe' threads of strange writtings, has anyonw thought about doing a robyn-list fan writtings, comp? PPS. #2: Anyother Kraftwerk fans out there? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 01:33:13 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther) Subject: I like can On Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:33:16 -0500, you wrote: > >anybody who wants more info on this absolutely essential band (and >rather unknown in the states until late) is more than welcome to send me >a note. i recommend that everybody give them a serious listen. i could >possibly put together a compilation tape or something if anybody >wants...? Already is one: ` It's called Cannabalism. actually, it is 2 CD's, available separately...great primer!!! -luther > >yoy!...jv ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 01:37:17 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther) Subject: defending Paul On Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:33:16 -0500, you wrote: > Whether >or not this had to do with Ferry having an easier to take leadership = style >than the notoriously acidic Lou, or with the fact that the music he was >making with Roxy relied so much on the musicians' chemistry as a working >band, whereas by the time the Velvets got to "Loaded" it was more or = less a >Lou Reed with band project anyway ("All Shook Down", anyone? :)), is = hard >to say. Hey Susan! "All shook down' may not be a true Replacement's album (those ended with "Pleased to meet me"), but it is still a very fine album...very emotional, a little psychotic (feels like Richard Thompson!), but good...even if there is no Bob Stinson anywhere. -luther (who actually rather likes "Loaded") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 20:15:40 -0600 (CST) From: amadain Subject: Re: defending Paul > Hey Susan! "All shook down' may not be a true Replacement's > album (those ended with "Pleased to meet me"), but it is still a very > fine album...very emotional, a little psychotic (feels like Richard > Thompson!), but good...even if there is no Bob Stinson anywhere. That was actually not meant as a dismissal of "All Shook Down" -or- "Loaded", I was merely drawing a parallel between the two. > -luther > (who actually rather likes "Loaded") I rather like "Loaded" as well. But it -is- lacking in the Cale viola drone that makes songs like "Heroin" so fucking great, and also to me it lacks a certain experimental, on the edges punch that the other stuff has, which may or may not have to do with Cale's departure. Personally I think that it was the lack of the -conflict- between Cale and Reed that made that such a different-sounding record, not so much the lack of Cale per se. It's a wonderful album, but not the same at all *pout* :). Love on ya, Susan P.S. saw a couple excerpts from "Rocky Horror" last night (in a movie bar between flicks) and the question occurred to me- does anyone else think RiffRaff is rather humorously like Brian Eno? :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:39:54 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Mope Rock Top 20 & The Beatles > Well, I just had to pass this along to the Tindersticks list that I'm on >(Marbles). They'll get a kick out of it. Unfortunately, I may have to >unsubscribe from said list, as I've just found out that at least 2 of the >members on the list DON'T LIKE THE BEATLES!!!! I've never even heard of such >a thing. Totally intolerable. Please tell me that there isn't anyone on >*this* who doesn't like the Beatles. I doubt there is. However, there ARE those who don't like the Tindersticks. ;) ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 20:08:23 -0600 (CST) From: amadain Subject: Re: Mope Rock Top 20 & The Beatles On Fri, 6 Feb 1998 MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: > Well, I just had to pass this along to the Tindersticks list that I'm on > (Marbles). They'll get a kick out of it. Unfortunately, I may have to > unsubscribe from said list, as I've just found out that at least 2 of the > members on the list DON'T LIKE THE BEATLES!!!! I've never even heard of such > a thing. Totally intolerable. Please tell me that there isn't anyone on > *this* who doesn't like the Beatles. A downtown-bound bus passes by every > fifteen minutes; I don't want to have to jump in front of one of them. Well, it -would- seem very odd, wouldn't it, to appreciate Robyn but not the Beatles, given the so-marked-it-isn't-worth-marking Beatles influence in much of his music. But I'm afraid there probably are a few. I kind of have this theory that people who actively dislike the Beatles (-actively-, meaning not those who don't care about them one way or the other much, but actively have a distaste for them) are usually people who are rather dislikable. Recently after this theory proved relatively successful, I expanded it to include those who actively dislike Ray Charles, as over time everyone I've ever met who said they didn't like Ray Charles has proven to be annoying or grinchlike in some way as well. This theory has yet to fail me on either count :). Love on ya, Susan P.S. If you like that Tindersticks record, you might want to check out "Fear" and "Helen of Troy" by John Cale, if you haven't already. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 16:06:38 +2910 From: dlang Subject: RE:I like can Luther opined:(re a Can mix tape) It's called Cannabalism. actually, it is 2 CD's, available separately...great primer!!! -luther > Theres another one too,I picked it up last year for $10, it s excellent, a very good overview of Can ,a double CD called Anthology-25 years 1968-1993. It s available in Oz on the Spoon label which appear to be based in France.Contact address on the Cd is Hildegaarde Schmidt. Les Rossingnals, F.-84220 Rousillon (France). (Fax 33) 90057004. Cannabalism dates from 1978 and would presumably not be such a complete retrospective, although it may have a better selection of tracks than Anthology . But Anthology is pretty goodam good.I'm currently listening to "Soup " on the phones from my Mac and it s freaking wild!, some truly spacey passages which never descend to the banal. Unfortunately this cannot be said for all Kraut or Euro rock. I remember a friend had a lot of this stuff from bands like Zygote, and Tangerine Dream but although it sounded alright if you were really out of it, it did not usually approach anywhere near the degree of primal weirdness , or the metallic, sparse, brittle space that seemed the essence of Can at their best. Anyway back to Anthology. there is fair representation from the firstfew albums, with tracks like Mother Sky ,Yoo do right ,Mushroom , One more night, Augmn and Halleluwah.Some good shit there, I'd perhaps quibble about whether She brings the rain is worthy of inclusion, I 'd rather have more from Soon Over Babaluma as there is only Dizzy Dizzy on this selection. I'd have liked to have seen Quantum Physics or Chain Reaction on the disc myself.Theres a bunch of tracks from unlimited edition and then a smattering from the rest of the later albums. No rarestuff or outs unfortunately, but stuff like Future days, Cascade Waltz, Musette, Doko E and I want more is all up, a pretty good selection of what the band was like in its later days. I'd be preparedto do up a complilation tape of my Can BBC sessions and an FM concert I have from Koln in 6-72 and exchange it for a choice Robyn Hitchcock show.The Koln concert is about an A grade , but the BBC stuff is A+ .I think it might fit on a C 100. E mail me privately if you are interested and have any good RH to trade or Live Can shows to trade. DL. (The oled farte frome downe undere) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 16:08:22 +2909 From: dlang Subject: Strange Robynesque writtings Luther wrute: P.S. # 1: given the long 'robynesqe' threads of strange writtings, has anyonw thought about doing a robyn-list fan writtings, comp? I'm going to get a Robyn site together "sometime " soon and I'd be prepared to post them up as part of the siteworks links . Would they already be kept on the archives, or would that only save strongly RH related material? DL ( ye olde farrte froome doon undere) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 16:09:33 +2910 From: dlang Subject: RE: Welsh growth in japan Ross quoth >From the London Daily Telegraph: A growing number of Japanese are signing up for classes in Welsh as the language develops a cult status that its devotees say gives them a sense of individuality in group-oriented Japan. You see !, the Quailspiracy,its spreading everywhere, and I bet the buggers eat cheese and squid!If so, head for the hills!! Oh the horror,the horror. .............. Dave Lang. (ye olde fart from downe undere) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 23:14:22 -0800 From: John Barrington Jones Subject: WB site updated The Warner Bros. Robyn site has been updated. - -John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 23:29:32 -0800 From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Retraction. Fegs- Sorry if I misled any of you. There is no complete site revamp or anything over at warner bros., just a new look for the message boards and some new news posted on same. I'll have a warm bath, John ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #47 ******************************