From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #42 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, February 3 1998 Volume 07 : Number 042 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: a ten-bob note up my nose [Capuchin ] Glassed, and recordings [Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer ] Julian Cope + VU [fitter happier ] Greetings and Eb's drool (relatively Robyn-less, start as I mean to go on) [Danielle ] Neutral Milk Hotel.... [Stephen Buckalew ] Re: Eno & Velvet Underground. Not remotely Robyn [M R Godwin ] Re: Opinions wanted ["JH3" ] Re: a ten-bob note up my nose [sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain)] Gene Hackman [John Barrington Jones ] Re: Not another COPE post! Aaagh! [Miles ] Re: Opinions wanted [Tom Clark ] Re: Opinions wanted [Eb ] Quailspiracy [The Great Quail ] Thanks for the JWH [The Great Quail ] Re: a ten-bob note up my nose [Miles ] PS (Neutral content) [Eb ] Re: Opinions wanted [KarmaFuzzz@aol.com] How t' Sing d' Blues [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 01:27:41 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: a ten-bob note up my nose On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Capitalism Blows wrote: > and if you think i'm joking, or just trying to be cute, you're dead > wrong. This is one of the coolest and funniest things I've ever seen in print. I'm going to steal this eddie. And when it shows up in my novel or one of my films, there'll be a note in the acknowledgments to you. If that's not enough, sue me. There are plenty of witnesses here and you can reap whatever the courts grant you. > > matt, this was so friggin' hilarious i liketa crapped my pants right on > the spot! i'd love to see a web page that was just everyone's robyn > dreams. maybe put it in the archives? You know, I never had a Robyndream until this girl I met mentioned hers the first time we spoke. I won't recount it here because other people's dreams are their own business, but when she called him Robyn, she justified it with "We're on a first name basis from my dreams". Now they're relatively common. And other people have them, too. Is this just an obsession thing or does Robyn's mild trippiness make him tap those particular neural pathways in the (sometimes il-)logical leaps you have to make to truely "get" one of his tunes? I tend to think it's not an obsession thing because I used to be at least as into Oingo Boingo and never once did I have a Danny Elfman dream. But that doesn't mean it's a trippiness thing either... after all, I've never had a Syd Barrett dream. > most audacious first song on a debut album? Give It To The Soft Boys is > certainly in the running. but i think i'd give my vote to Blister In > The Sun. Don't forget that Oingo Boingo's first full length album starts with a track about pedophilia. Enough J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:26:10 GMT From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Glassed, and recordings Just got the Glass Flesh CD yesterday. It's pretty cool. I've realised that I've missed out on a lot of Robyn recordings. I enjoy Robyn's live shows immensely (even if he only played for just over half an hour at the last one, grumble). Trouble is, I've got nothing to trade, nothing flash to record with, and there doesn't seem to be much of a trading infrastructure here in the UK. I will be in Baltimore at the end of this month for a week or so, and I'm quite willing to buy recording media. What's a good recording to start with? UK Fegs will be pleased to know that I usually trawl the CD stores for used copies of 'Queen Elvis', for those starved of this excellent disc. Stewart - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:40:05 +0000 From: Jonathan Turner Subject: y colleccion "British" woj wondered: >Alfred Masciocchi sez: > >>CD ROBYN HITCHCOCK Due 1/26...New British "Collections" CD! (details to >>follow)...$16.00 >> >>Anyone know what's on this? > >huh. i haven't heard anything. my first hunch would be an uk release of >_uncorrected personality traits_, but that's probably an incorrect guess >since it doesn't make sense to change the title. bootleg? i'll check with >antwoman. if/when anyone gets this, please post the details. I tracked down the Robyn Hitchcock "British Collection" last night. It's the same as the US "Uncorrected Personality Traits" collection - the only differences that I could see were that it's on Sequel and has a UK address on the back. It even has the same sticker on the front and the same cover & booklet (as far as I could tell without opening the shrinkwrap, anyway) - and it does have "Uncorrected Personality Traits" in big print on the front cover. It seems to be a mid-price issue (GBP9.99 in Tower, probably available cheaper elsewhere). oggi oggi oggi, Jonathan. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:58:30 +0000 (GMT) From: fitter happier Subject: Julian Cope + VU I know this thread died out a while ago, but I saw Julian play the Cambridge Junction last night, and he was utterly amazing. I didn't know any of his stuff before, but I'm going to seek it out now. Anyone who plays a solo mellotron set has to be admired... On this subject, can any Cope fanatic tell me which song has a chorus along the lines of "I was born to entertain so here I go"? He encored with it and it was incredible... Oh, and does anyone out there have any Velvet Underground live tapes? I've got tonnes of stuff to trade (Hitchcock/Homer/loads of 90s indie), so mail me offlist... Toby _______________________________________________________________________________ Steal me a savage subservient son Get him stacked up bloodied up and sucking on a gun I want the style of a woman, the kiss of a man... - - Suede _______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 01:54:12 -0800 From: Danielle Subject: Greetings and Eb's drool (relatively Robyn-less, start as I mean to go on) James wrote: > Ok. I admit when I'm beaten! Is there an award for most bizarre mailing list? This seems an apropos moment for me to say hello. Erm, hello, people. :) And a 'fancy seeing you here!' greeting to James and Eb, both of whom I appear to follow aimlessly around the relatively incestuous world of mailing lists... In any case, I've been lurking for a wee while now, and though I don't know of any such award, I'm sure you lot would be in the running. And I mean that in a good way. I haven't heard so much about Wales since reading silly historical romances a decade ago, in my early teens. And none of them mentioned cheese in quite such a striking fashion. ;) On to real stuff. Eb, uncharacteristically, actually *gushed*: > WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! This album is FANTASTIC!!! Jeeeeeeeeeesus, it's great. Gosh. Steady on, old chap. > All Robyn fans buy this album -- you won't be disappointed. If you like Syd > Barrett, the Incredible String Band or anything on Flying Nun, buy this > album. Cutting out the middle-band, Neutral Milk Hotel, for the moment: I remember you saying once in passing that 'any Flying Nun fan should like Robyn Hitchcock'. Now, I like both, of course - but I don't necessarily see why I *should*. Enlighten me, Eb or anyone. Hit me with these oh-so-obvious similarities I'm missing. Give the girlie record-geek a break. ;) > In a deep, deep puddle of my own drool, Eb, my dear boy, you have no *idea* how much money I would pay to see you in such a state. ;) Danielle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:38:54 -0500 From: "Chaney, Dolph L" Subject: RE: from twofangs/randi - question about Danielson (1/4% robyn) A quick response, to the list because I love them so... I'm a very large Danielson fan. They've released two CDs, _A Prayer For Every Hour_ and _Tell Another Joke At The Ol' Choppin' Block_, both on Tooth + Nail Records. The Pixies comparison only works when talking about Daniel's tinny but effective voice; the instrumentation is acoustic. And they do sing about God a LOT. The songwriting is extremely personal and without appreciable artifice. Probably the Shaggs comparison is the most useful, along with a Half Japanese reference. Kramer produced the 2nd album. DEFINITELY an acquired taste. You can do direct ordering at http://www.toothandnail.com/, but Danielson is sometimes stocked in better Christian bookstores (call before you go), and some of those may have a "demo" copy that you can listen to in the store, which I highly recommend doing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:58:32 -0600 From: Miles Subject: not potluck topix again! Catching up on several months' worth of Feglist lurkerdom... A few comments on semi-recent threads: YOU AND OBLIVION: I was glad to see some on-list praise for Y&O. Here I was all this time, thinking I was alone in my appreciation of it. Everyone else, including Robyn, seems to think of it as a basket of rag-tag scraps, but I've been unexpectedly enthralled by it since it came out nearly three (three! how time flies!) years ago. The whole thing is surprisingly cohesive (and tasty), maybe thanks to Mr. Neill, maybe thanks to the unstoppable genius of Robyn himself. I actually enjoy it more than INVISIBLE HITCHCOCK, which I know full well many of you adore. Go figure. THE PSYCHEDELIC FURS: I readily acknowledge the greatness of their first 2 1/2 albums (side one of FOREVER NOW rules, side two begins the long slide towards MIDNIGHT TO MIDNIGHT). But I must also praise their last two albums, BOOK OF DAYS and WORLD OUTSIDE. With BOOK OF DAYS, it's like Richard Butler heard every one of my complaints about MIRROR MOVES and MIDNIGHT TO MIDNIGHT and vowed to address them all -- it's densely, darkly atmospheric like the first two albums, but suffused with a maturity absent from those earlier works. The individual songs aren't as memorable ("Should God Forget," "Torch," and "Book of Days" excepted), but the overall effect is stunning. And WORLD OUTSIDE is a collection of great pop songs, period end. I think it says a lot about how much I like these albums that they're the only two Furs CDs I've repurchased since the Great CD Theft of '95 depleted my "P" section wholesale. (I do have the collection now, and will probably buy the rest again at some later date.) EIGHTIES, I GOT YOUR EIGHTIES: Have to throw in my lot with Mike Runion, James Dignan, et al in thinking of the '80s as a musical treasure trove. Age may prejudice me here (I was 13 when that decade began, so I was in my prime music-buying and music-listening years during that decade), but I always had more to listen to than I could possibly make time for. But I do see Andy Snyder's point about there being more good songs on the radio in the '90s. We can sneer at the oxymoronic "commercial alternative" music all we want to, but the post-Nirvana world is certainly more interesting. Or am I the only one who remembers when radio and MTV were dominated by the likes of Warrant, Winger, Bon Jovi, Slaughter, Ratt, and other hair-metal practitioners of the "power ballad"? Even '90s acts I deplore like Seven Mary Three, Bush, and Alanis Morrissette would have been a breath of fresh air by comparison (hell, Bush would have been the best thing on the radio!), and many of the things that have enjoyed airplay in the '90s (Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Everclear, Garbage, Bjork, Matthew Sweet) have been quite excellent indeed. later, Miles ============================================================== JASON WILKINS (of Neilson Hubbard): Victor's was just starting to happen, then it burned down. BILL LLOYD: That's a pretty good metaphor for the Nashville rock scene. -- NASHVILLE SCENE, Jan. 15, 1998 Miles Goosens outdoorminer@mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles ============================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 11:19:52 -0500 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: Neutral Milk Hotel.... Eb, thanks for the tip..."On Avery Island" is probably one of my favorite albums....I mean, come on, trombones AND music boxes on ONE sublime album?....if his new one is even better....then I'm definitely drooling in anticipation!! Adding drool to Eb's puddle.... <~~~Buckeye~~~> ***************************************************************************** "...everythings all on...it's rosy...it's a beautiful day!"--Syd Barrett ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:07:44 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Eno & Velvet Underground. Not remotely Robyn On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, James Dignan wrote: > someone mentioned a while back - I think on Fegmaniax - that Brian Eno, in > his early days, was very much influenced by the Velvet Underground. Then Eb > replied that the first melody line on Eno's first solo album was very > similar to that of "Monday Morning". 'Sunday Morning', possibly? I certainly remember that when 'Virginia Plain' came out, everybody thought it sounded like the VU.. - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:37:30 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Opinions wanted On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, Terrence M Marks wrote: > What do you-all think of > Focus/Thjis van Lijk (sp) Is that the original Focus album with 'Hocus Pocus' on it? Noisy prog rock if it is. Jan Akkerman can play the guitar, though. The only thing I ever really LIKED by Akkerman was that hit instrumental with a girl's name. Not Jessica, that was Dicky Betts, but a bit similar. > Rain Parade's Crashing Dream and Beyond the Sunset Crashing Dream is the final album, isn't it? 'Shoot Down the Railroad Man' is excellent, but the production on the whole album is a bit clean for my taste. 'Beyond the Sunset' is the "live" album recorded in Japan, and is worth buying for the first-rate cover of Television's "Ain't that nothing". I think the live version of "No easy way down" is quite good, too, but I also like the studio version with the string section, which I think is on "Explosions in the Glass Palace". My feeling is that none of the RP albums is perfect. Possibly a "Best of" compilation could be made which would come somewhere near it. Cheers - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:54:11 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Opinions wanted Terrence M Marks wrote: >> What do you-all think of Focus/Thjis van Lijk (sp) Mike Godwin replied: >Is that the original Focus album with 'Hocus Pocus' on it? Noisy prog rock >if it is. Jan Akkerman can play the guitar, though. The album with "Hocus Pocus" on it was called "Moving Waves." It was the one with the magenta-tinted seascape cover. Most of their stuff wasn't as noisy as "Hocus Pocus." Thijs van Leer was the singer/flutist, which I guess made him sort of a Dutch Ian Anderson, except that Leer didn't sing very much; they were mostly an instrumental band. Akkerman ended up doing background music for "Miami Vice", didn't he? Now he does free-form jazz stuff, I think. Blah blah blah. I'm afraid I can't imagine any way to connect them with Robyn, stylistically, anecdotally, or otherwise. Sorry... I probably should have confined this to private e-mail... John H. Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:10:13 -0600 (CST) From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: a ten-bob note up my nose >I tend to think it's not an obsession thing because I used to be at least >as into Oingo Boingo and never once did I have a Danny Elfman dream. But >that doesn't mean it's a trippiness thing either... after all, I've never >had a Syd Barrett dream. Hmmm.....me neither. And though I've had plenty of obsessions/enthusiasms over the years, I can't say I've dreamt about every single musician that really pushed my buttons. In fact, there are very few musical celebrities I can remember appearing. Bob Dylan (he gave me a fancy candy bar. I'm still working that one out), the infamous Ray Davies/Groucho Marx dream, Johnny Cash (brief appearance at a party in one dream), Beck, and Robyn, who is the only one who's appeared more than once. What I think it is, is not the trippiness per se, but a certain -way- RH has of worming into a susceptible imagination. I think also there's something to your idea of having to in a certain way enter a dream-logic state to understand him, and that firing off certain neural pathways :). >> most audacious first song on a debut album? Give It To The Soft Boys is >> certainly in the running. but i think i'd give my vote to Blister In >> The Sun. > >Don't forget that Oingo Boingo's first full length album starts with a >track about pedophilia. This actually had me looking through the collection :). It's an interesting thought. I mean, how do you define what an audacious first track is? In the case of Oingo Boingo, well, that's easy really, it's the subject matter (I can't say about the music, having not ever heard the song in question). I'd say "Friend or Foe"'s title track was quite the striking opener, basically openly daring the listener (and the British music press) to either love or hate the rest of the record and Mr. Ant himself. In a similar spirit, "This Town" was a fairly daring opener to "Spike". "Rainy Day Women #12 and #35" obviously would be in the running too, for reasons that don't really need clarification. I'd say "Road Runner" was also, although with time that's pretty much been lost (there's a lot more "real rock and roll" on the radio now than there was in '73)- basically it was an absolutely perfect way to kick off the album with a stylistic challenge, a lot like the first Roxy Music album kicking off with something as odd as "Virginia Plain", which would get a vote from me as well. And finally "Station to Station", just because at the time it was a fairly daring thing for someone like David Bowie, after having had something of a hit with an album like "Young Americans", to open a record with a surreal ten minute song about one of his fictional personas :). Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:00:24 -0800 From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Gene Hackman Had a Robyn related dream last night: Gene Hackman was evil, he was chasing myself and a friend. I had a gun, one bullet left in it. I turned around and fired it almost point blank into his forehead. The hole it made was much smaller than it should've been, and just a small trickle of blood came from it. He kept yelling epithets at us, though now not advancing on us anymore. My friend threw me an extra gun---a small gun, about the size of a pack of cigarettes--it only held two bullets in it. It had one bullet in it. I turned around and shot him again. Bigger hole this time, but still not as big as it should have been. He just went on talking, unfazed. I was scared. (that was the dream.) - -jbj - -*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-# John B. Jones Email: lobstie@e-z.net House of Figgy-- http://web.syr.edu/~jojones/hitchcock.html "Well, we went to the punk bar, then we went to the heroin bar, we had pasta at Fellini, and then we went to the pretty bar." -overheard at work - -*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-# ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 12:52:32 -0600 From: Miles Subject: Re: Not another COPE post! Aaagh! Mike Runion narrates: >My tenuous hold on "biggest Cope fan" is still intact, but my fingers are >growing raw and the scrabbly cliff dirt keeps dropping in my eyes. Miles >has a firm grip on my right foot and is trying to climb up. If I can >just...shake him...loose... (the roar of the swells far below assault my >ears) Maybe if I toss my COPECO copy of Droolian at him, or peg him in >the eye with my purple-speckled vinyl 7" of "Profiteering", maybe...wait! > My numbered 12" of "Heed: Of Penetration And The City Dweller"! That'll >do it! YES! > >The morning air grows silent and the oppressive weight on my right leg >suddenly is no more. I imagine I hear smatherings of the new Queen >Elizabeth album drifting in the wind as I wait for the sickening thud >from the rocks below... As I plummet, the "Head" numbered 12" dangles just out reach alongside me, very Holy Grail. "The weed of collecting bears bitter fruit," I ponder as the rocks and thorny scrub below me grow precipitously larger and the justification for all those hours scouring bargain racks, mail order catalogs, and music websites grows more elusive by the foot. But then, I remember... is it there?... YES, in my backpack! I contort myself so I'm falling as though standing -- feet down. I then pull out my gold picture disc "Fear Loves This Place" EP, and slide it under my feet. Power radiates into my very core from the "Julian's Bower" turf maze image on the b-side. The world around me slows... slows.... slows..... then it's dead silent. I'm hovering one foot above a jagged conglomeration of rocks that would have meant certain death. The EP beneath my feet is glowing, pink and purple sparks shooting from it left and right, briefly igniting the dried brush below. I gather my wits and look around. It looks like the usual English beachside -- cliffs, seagulls, you know. Inland is a dense, dark forest, but something looks out of place. Rising in the center of the forest, several hard miles away is... THE TOWER. The EP murmurs to me. Minutes ago, this would have sounded like the ordinary hum your albums make when they're sitting on the shelf communing with one another, but using the EP to brake my fall must have shot some of those sparks into me; as the murmur radiates up my feet, I understand its wordless wisdom: "You can not defeat the Tower alone." Above, I see Mike pulling himself up from the cliff's edge, dusting himself off. My little toe taps three times, and I safesurf as the EP carries me back up. Now I understand why Mike and I were brought here. How do I make him understand? later, Miles ============================================================== JASON WILKINS (of Neilson Hubbard): Victor's was just starting to happen, then it burned down. BILL LLOYD: That's a pretty good metaphor for the Nashville rock scene. -- NASHVILLE SCENE, Jan. 15, 1998 Miles Goosens outdoorminer@mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles ============================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 12:34:50 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Opinions wanted On 2/3/98 10:54 AM, JH3 wrote: >[Jan] Akkerman ended up doing background >music for "Miami Vice", didn't he? Close, that was Jan Hammer. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:27:25 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Opinions wanted JH3 wrote: >Akkerman ended up doing background >music for "Miami Vice", didn't he? You're thinking of Jan Hammer, not Jan Akkerman. M. Godwin wrote: >I certainly remember that when 'Virginia >Plain' came out, everybody thought it sounded like the VU.. "Virginia Plain" makes me think of raucous '50s rock & roll more than anything else. The sax, the energy, the chords, the solo tradeoffs.... Danielle debuted: >> In a deep, deep puddle of my own drool, >Eb, my dear boy, you have no *idea* how much money I would pay to see >you in such a state. ;) Hmmm. Schedule an appointment with my accountant. Eb, trying to maintain my tenuous hold on "biggest Cope dismisser" (at least, on this list) PS Have I gone "WHEEEEE!" over Neutral Milk Hotel yet today? I think not. WHEEEEE! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 17:32:38 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Quailspiracy Recently seen on the List: >Yes, now I know! As Russ said, there is indeed a sinister plot. I now have >the evidence I need to link Tom Clark to the Great Quail Ultimate >Conspiracy of Everything. >Percival was the knight (sleeping or otherwise) who wished only to see the >Holy Grail (Grail? Quail? coincidence?) in the Arthurian legends. >PS - ever wondered where all these conspiracy theories come from? And why >they are created? Hmmm... Dearest Non-corrupted Fegs, It is I, Dr. Fane, expert in Internet cults and bane to all manifestation of Evil Feggery. I am forced again to write again to your List. I fear that our collective inquiries have come up with some pretty grim information about a conspiracy tying together the evil one known as the Quail, Robyn Hitchcock,the god Thoth, the perfidious Welsh, the Holy Grail, etc . . . . In short, I fear that as the Millenium approaches, the plans of the Fegs may be soon upon us. I know that some of you are not yet converts to this new cult, so I hope to reach you. I wish to explain to you that the Fegs are actually a cover for an ancient order of mystics who plan to take over the world . . . . Already many of you have grasped some of the horrible details of this terrible plot. The Welsh connection, the Victorian Squid, the Holy Grail -- all are true. But it goes deeper than even that, all the way back to the first civilizations: Listen. I am here to reveal my most horrible researches. There are some who say that the whole history of science, philosophy and religion is actually a single, unified process moving secretly towards one solitary aim. Of course, the mind of man is so small in comparison, that we can only grasp a little bit of it - and even then we fail to see the BIG PICTURE, seeing only instead fragments that we label erroneously - - and so often foolishly - in fractious compartmentalized boxes, insouciantly calling one aspect of Reality "Christianity" and another "Biology;" one fragment of Reality is called "Another fucking No-Robyn Thread," and another "Quantum Chromodynamics," and so on. You get the point. Well, there are also those who claim that this whole glacial momentum has been secretly controlled throughout the years by a small cabal of illuminated ones, often claiming to receive their directions from God, the "Secret Masters," "Woj," or even the spirit of "Scientific Inquiry." Well, if one takes the time and effort to pry into the secret nature of history, a few things become more clear, including the method of transfer of the divine Logos, the Gnosis of the ancients, that Secret Message and Ineffable Knowledge which will one day end the world and bring us all under the so-called "beneficial" boot of these cultists. . . . The begin, let us examine their use of the Thoth Head in their communications, symbology, and rituals. I have often heard them accused of being an evil cult, and even *I* used to accept their glib answer. "Oh, no, not us! Thoth is a Happy God! He's the God of knowledge, of wisdom -- of cute and fuzzy things, like bunnies, wombats, and smelly old books with leather bindings. If we wanted to be evil, we would have choses Set -- Sutekh -- the evil God, He Who is Guarded by Two Quails. . . . yesssss, quails are bad . . . . " And so on. Well, my recent researches have uncovered some rather startling information: First of all, it is true that "Sutekh" was supposedly guarded by a pair of quails. This is a matter of archeological record - but what is less known is that in ancient Egyptian, the heirogylphs were written in not only a way that was pictographic, but one that omitted vowel sounds. The oldest fragment of stone that comes to us from the Yoggo-Suth-Thot dynasty is remarkable in the fact that it predates all the others - and instead of showing Sutekh as being guarded by two quails, it shows a similar god *with a quail in either hand* and the incription is clearly indicative that the name of this God was actually THT-STKH. There is no mention of any individual "Thoth" or "Sutekh" anywhere . . . . Now, of course in the later Egyptian period these symbols were debased, and suddenly this Thoth and Sutekh make an appearance as two separate entities instead of one God (Needing, of course, the concept of Osiris to evolve in order to provide for a corrective, reunifying force) but it is clear for those who care to see that the original concept of "Thoth" and "Set" derives from a single deity who therefore stood for BOTH Knowledge and Evil . . . with the GOOD QUAIL in his right hand and the EVIL QUAIL in his left. In other words, THOTH is just a reformulation of the older quail-god. . . . . and that famed Ibis head? Well, interestingly enough the scientist who first labeled the bird as an "Ibis" was Gwll Rhys-Llewellyn Ap Rhwpyn Ych-ggwk, a *welsh* anthropologist who IGNORED his native Egyptian assistance, who claimed the head was actually that of a "Eb-F'gg," a mythological bird with a strange feather on his head, and not the "Eb-lis." Hmmm. . . . What was he trying to hide? And a quick trace of his ancenstry shows that shortly after his discovery, this Welshman relocated to England and changed his name from Ych-ggwk to something more Anglo -- yes, you guessed it. . . . An ancestor? (Look at the evidence, man! Alfred with "The Birds" -- perhaps a sly warning? Robyn with the Thoth thingie? And let's not forget that RH/TGQ thread a while back. . . .) It gets worse: if one accepts the Thor Heimdall hypothesis that the ancient Egyptians actually colonized Meso-America, one can even see their influence in the "Aztec" god -- an obvious foreign replantation of the god THT-STKH -- named "Huitzilipochtli," which according to Classical Nuat'l means "Left Hand like a Hummingbird;" but since Moctezuma actually thought Cortez was Quetzocoatl, it can easily be said that the ancient Aztecs didn't exactly have their shit together. They probably corrupted the older word "Quitzilipochtli," which means "Left Hand Holding a Quail" - -- Where the other quail is remains unknown. . . . but it should be noted that the Aztec word for "Disaster" is "Quitzilicoatilipukkalaguppie," which means "Damn, that other bird sure is in a hurry to get the fuck out of here." By an odd "coincidence" the Welsh word for disaster is the SAME thing, just spelled "Gwchyllichwtyllipwchyllagwppi," but it is usually translated as "Hey! I have an idea -- let's invite our neighbors, the English, over as guests." (I turn you to the excellent "Comparative Study of Manx, Welsh, and Pennsylvania Dutch Language and Mythologies" by Nicholas Wynccwrrth, 1943.) Well, back to the ancient Egyptians: Now, interestingly enough, if we actually combine the two ideographs for Tht and StKH, we get Th-t-S-t-KH, which sounds very much like the Babylonian word "Thyt'stokh," which of course was the most ancient word recorded for "Small ground-dwelling bird with a little feather on top that comes to us from the sky and validates our self-esteem with much of knowledge, but if we misuse it we decend into a negative shame spiral of guilt and evil." (Dr. Marcus "Wolfgang" Glosterhammer, 1936. I refer you to his seminal work "Der Gummi Haifisch," which has been recently collected in a single volume along with his famous treatise, "Did the Dinosaurs Smoke Dried-up Mammals?") And I wouldn't insult your intelligence by reminding you that civilizations started along the Tigres and Euphrates rivers, so this stuff has been with us for a loooong time. So there are the Babylonian and Egyptain roots for the divine Plan: What about further South? Well: The original word for "Eden" in the ancient Semitic tongue of the Hebrews was actually "Vida," hence the real Hebrew phrase for the first home of Adam and Eve being "Gadda da Vida," which *could* be a corruption of the Chaldean phrase "Ghodhavhidha," meaning "The Primal Nest of the Bird with the Stupid Feather-Thing." Similarly, the Qabbalistic symbol representing the divine spark of Knowledge as decending from God to Man is a sperm-like drop called "Yod," a letter in their alphabet which is shaped very much like a quail feather and was called by the first Qabbalists "FEHG," after the original Phoenician name of the linguistic character. (Its original form was a tick-mark, used to denote how many times a Phoenician sailor got laid in port.) As a matter of fact, the only reason the Rabbis and Qabbalists (And need I elaborate on the origins of *that* name?) changed its name was under pressure from the Notarikon and Gemmatrics lobby, who wanted to make the Hebrew alphabet completely convertable to a crackpot system of numerology to confuse future Templars. (Not to mention purge it of all Phoenician resonances, beacuse many of these Rabbis were getting quite tired of their daughters running away with sailors.) So the FEHG represents the Divine Spark, and the original Duality comes from the Twin Quails in the hands of a nameless diety, itself a sundering of the original Babylonian concept of Godhead. This discovered in the records by a Welshman who changes his name to Hitchcock and engenders a line of bird-fixated cultists. . . . Hmmm? Is anyone scared yet? More: Read your Bible! I specifically refer to Exodus 16:13, where the nature of the divine gift is made all too clear. (Go on, get your Bibles. I know you all have one laying around somewhere - or ask LSDiamond to borrow hers.) - Unfortunately, the early Hebrew scribes confused the Aramaic and the Egyptian word "manna" which actually means "Fehg-ma," in Egyptian - - Or "Gift of the Feather," and I suppose you can figure the rest out. Also - turn if you will to Numbers 11:32 for further enlightenment. And here's a good one - the divine Apple, so munched on by Eve that represented Knowledge of Good and Evil? Well, in the original "Q" version of the story - edited out in favour of the "J" source for that part of Genesis, I am not kidding, study the Bible historically - the word for "apple," like all Hebrew words, has no vowels; and is written in consonants only: the vowels are enunciated or added given the context of each word. Well, the word for "Apple" IS EXACTLY THE SAME as the word for PARTRIDGE, except for the vowels! Now, how much sense would a "Partridge" from a tree have made? So of course the scribes just assumed it was an apple, which made more sense - unless, of course, you know the real thread running through this whole creation gig here. And of course, the "Partridge in a Pear Tree" song came from a European corruption of a Qabbalistic mnemonic, a repetition of the steps in creating the universe which undoubtedly got into the wrong hands and was changed to a "Chrismas Carol," yet something else the Europeans did to further irk the Jews, like burning them for usury and making fun of their little hair curls. The Qabbalistic mnemonic refrain was, of course, "On the First Day of the Fall, My Eve Gave To Me, A Partridge From A Bare Tree," which of course is called in the ORIGINAL Hebrew "In A Gadda Da Vida." - --Professor Fane PS: I do, by the way, have some more sickening proof -- mathematical proof! -- of all this, courtesy of the late Carl Sagan . . . maybe one day I shall pass it on . . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 17:32:49 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Thanks for the JWH To all the Fegs -- all the myriad Fegs! -- who posted John Wesley Harding info to me, thank you very much! It was all read and assimilated. (Yes, I am the musical Borg.) I have already taped some JWH and plan to purchase a few CDs based on your recommendations. It was also pleasing to hear that JWH was in the audience for a Robyn show. . . . . - --Quail, . . . . . . .who is having evil thoughts of placing the "RotoMark" animated GIF somewhere on the high school web page he maintains. . . . and who regrets bringing back the third person commentary sign offs. . . . Now Imagining: The Pogues covering "Severe Tire Damage." (But Mark would still make $0) - ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | Literature Site - The Libyrinth: TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth www.rpg.net/quail | Vampire Site - New York by Night: riverrun Discordian Society | www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 15:18:32 -0600 From: Miles Subject: Re: a ten-bob note up my nose At 12:10 PM 2/3/98 -0600, amadain wrote: >absolutely perfect way to kick off the album with a stylistic challenge, a >lot like the first Roxy Music album kicking off with something as odd as >"Virginia Plain", which would get a vote from me as well. Actually, it kicks off with "Re-Make/Re-Model," which is even more audacious than "Virginia Plain" would have been. ("Virginia Plain" was a subsequent single, and it's sometimes found grafted onto ROXY MUSIC -- but most of the time at track #4 on side one, not the leadoff spot.) I like Bryan Ferry, yeah, Miles ============================================================== JASON WILKINS (of Neilson Hubbard): Victor's was just starting to happen, then it burned down. BILL LLOYD: That's a pretty good metaphor for the Nashville rock scene. -- NASHVILLE SCENE, Jan. 15, 1998 Miles Goosens outdoorminer@mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles ============================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:40:46 -0700 From: Eb Subject: PS (Neutral content) I goofed, previously. The stupendous, amazing, sparkling Neutral Milk Hotel album will be out February 10th, not March 8th. So you guys only have to wait a week now, to discover the Gospel of Milk! ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:49:12 EST From: KarmaFuzzz@aol.com Subject: Re: Opinions wanted In a message dated 98-02-03 17:08:20 EST, gondola@deltanet.com writes: > Eb, trying to maintain my tenuous hold on "biggest Cope dismisser" (at > least, on this list) you made hold the title for the list, but as long as Ian McCulloch walks this Earth, you won't hold the global title.......... and, no i don't have an opinion as to which of them wrote "Read it in Books." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:40:08 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: How t' Sing d' Blues Thought y'all might (not) appreciate this! >From: TandMark@aol.com > >Subject: How t' Sing d' Blues > >This arrived via the 'Net today. Thought you'd like it. >See ya soon & all, >Mark Manning > >++++++++++++++++++ > >HOW TO SING THE BLUES >(attrib. to Memphis Earlene Gray with help from Uncle Plunky) > >1. Most blues begin "woke up this morning." > >2. "I got a good woman" is a bad way to begin the blues, unless > you stick something nasty in the next line. > I got a good woman-- > with the meanest dog in town. > >3. Blues are simple. After you have the first line right, repeat it. > Then find something that rhymes. Sort of. > Got a good woman > with the meanest dog in town. > He got teeth like Margaret Thatcher > and he weighs about 500 pounds. > >4. The blues are not about limitless choice. > >5. Blues cars are Chevies and Cadillacs. Other acceptable blues > transportation is Greyhound bus or a southbound train. Walkin' > plays a major part in the blues lifestyle. So does fixin' to die. > >6. Teenagers can't sing the blues. Adults sing the blues. Blues > adulthood means old enough to get the electric chair if you shoot > a man in Memphis. > >7. You can have the blues in New York City, but not in Brooklyn or > Queens. Hard times in Vermont or North Dakota are just a > depression. Chicago, St. Louis, Kansas City, Memphis and New > Orleans are still the best places to have the blues. > >8. The following colors do not belong in the blues: > a. violet > b. beige > c. mauve > >9. You can't have the blues in an office or a shopping mall, the > lighting is wrong. > >10. Good places for the Blues: > a. the highway > b. the jailhouse > c. the empty bed > > Bad places: > a. Ashrams > b. Gallery openings > c. weekend in the Hamptons > >11. No one will believe it's the blues if you wear a suit, > unless you happen to be an old black man. > >12. Do you have the right to sing the blues? > > Yes, if: > a. your first name is a southern state--like Georgia > b. you're blind > c. you shot a man in Memphis. > d. you can't be satisfied. > > No, if: > a. you were once blind but now can see. > b. you're deaf > c. you have a trust fund. > >13. Neither Julio Iglesias nor Barbra Streisand can sing the blues. > >14. If you ask for water and baby gives you gasoline, it's the > blues. > > Other blues beverages are: > a. wine > b. Irish whiskey > c. muddy water > > Blues beverages are NOT: > a. Any mixed drink > b. Any wine kosher for Passover > c. Yoo Hoo (all flavors) > >15. If it occurs in a cheap motel or a shotgun shack, it's blues > death. > > Stabbed in the back by a jealous lover is a blues way to die. > So is the electric chair, substance abuse, or being denied > treatment in an emergency room. It is not a blues death, if > you die during a liposuction treatment. > >16. Some Blues names for Women > a. Sadie > b. Big Mama > c. Bessie > >17. Some Blues Names for Men > a. Joe > b. Willie > c. Little Willie > d. Lightning > > Persons with names like Sierra or Sequoia will not be permitted > to sing the blues no matter how many men they shoot in Memphis. > >17B. Other Blues Names (Starter Kit) > a. Name of Physical infirmity (Blind, Cripple, Asthmatic) > b. First name (see above) or name of fruit (Lemon, Lime, Kiwifruit) > c. Last Name of President (Jefferson, Johnson, Fillmore, etc.) James aka "Limping Feijoa van Buren" ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #42 ******************************