From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #41 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, February 3 1998 Volume 07 : Number 041 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Dream [100% Robyn] ["Matthew Knights" ] Re: And so it goes [Jonathan Turner ] RE:back to Wales, briefly [Jonathan Turner ] Publishers [Terrence M Marks ] Re: Publishers [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: Publishers [amadain ] oblivion & you [Bayard ] RE: Eno & Velvet Underground. Not remotely Robyn [firstcat@lsli.com] a ten-bob note up my nose ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: fegnudes [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Audacity, Track One [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: publishers [Terrence M Marks ] me a culprit [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re:frigerator [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re: publishers [Capuchin ] Re: publishers [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] xmas tree tapes [jimm@sirius.com] from twofangs/randi - question about Danielson (1/4% robyn) [Tim Fuller <] More cranky bile [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:22:39 -0000 From: "Matthew Knights" Subject: Dream [100% Robyn] I thought I would inflict my Robyn dream last night on you all. I was at a university campus. I found myself in a small dark venue, subterranean, dimly lit, with wooden panelled walls. It was a Robyn gig. Everyone was speaking in whispers, milling around waiting for the show to begin but I had drifted in by accident without paying. I didn't want to cheat on Robyn but instead of paying on the door I walked around and I found Robyn sitting alone against a wall, tuning up his guitar. I walked up to him and said "I owe you ten pounds", "Nine will do" he replied. But when I fished around in my pockets all I could find was a 500 Russian Rouble note which Robyn would not accept. Embarassed, I left to find a cash machine. Later I found myself back in the venue (I must have paid) which by now had grown into a large, noisy, brightly lit, concert hall holding 1000 or more fans. The show had started but all the seats were taken so I found myself seated on stage, watching the show sideways on. It was a great gig but I can't remember the set list. As part of an encore Robyn asked for any requests. I shouted out "Human Music" and then "HM" but, in true Robyn style, all requests, including mine, were ignored and he played Bells of Rhymney. At this point I noticed an electric piano set up on stage. Robyn asked for any volunteers in the audience who could play keyboards to accompany him. At this point the gig turned into a kind of audition with people queuing up to play. But after two songs Robyn got bored auditioning members of the audience and chose someone. But the person he chose had an accurate classical style with no soul. I shouted, "No Robyn, you chose the wrong one!" Then I woke up. Matt _________________________________________________________________ Matthew Knights mknights@harrywasp.prestel.co.uk `Ton ame est un lac d'amour dont mes desirs sont les cygnes...' _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:20:51 +0000 From: Jonathan Turner Subject: Re: And so it goes >>Jason Thornton said: >>At 12:26 PM 1/29/98 EST, Ross Overbury wrote: >>>Susan was the one to say: >>>> >>>> Have you heard the Welsh? They really do excel. >>> >>>I thought they did Lotus! > >>No, that would be a Paradox. > >You guys are dBASEd! > >Dave. No, my coracle seems pretty sound to me... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:53:26 +0000 From: Jonathan Turner Subject: RE:back to Wales, briefly Dave waffled: >James blathered: >HG Wells is of course mentioned in the song Victorian Squid. Victorian? (snipped) >on the Fegmaniax list !!!!!! also , my duaughter and I have recently >been singing the Old trout mask replica refrain" A squid eating dough Ah! The Old Trout. Once Windsor's leading music venue (and the scene of one of the Egyptian's last gigs, I believe, as well as the debut gig by my brother's band - where they out-Robynned Robyn by covering Lou Reed and Jimi Hendrix in the same set), now sadly closed. And very close to a big statue of Queen Victoria! Can the appearance of "Victorian Squid" in last week's set at the 12 Bar be mere coincidence ? I think not. And that statue of Victoria, while it may not have a walkman, is just outside one of the homes of Her Majesty the Queen - mother of the Prince of, yes, WALES. Clearly, while not a cormorant or a shag, the Old Trout is the home this Welsh conspiracy - thanks to Dave and his daughter for stumbling on this! Truly, the good Captain Beefheart is the Nostradamus of our age. >through a polyetheline bag, etc, and james mentioned squids !! so it all >dovetails pretty neatly I think >Its all quite simple really when you reason it out. >Dave lang ( the olde fartt from dowyn undere) Good to see that your community is caring for you as much as mine is, Dave... (oops, did I say mine ? A mere slip of the keyboard...) Is there any truth in the rumour that this week's support at the 12 Bar is Max Boyce ? Will I need to take a leek ? Jonathan. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:12:46 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Publishers Sorry to bug you-all, 'cause I know that the Welsh and flags are quite important, but... What precisely does a publisher do, in music? I've read the BMI literature and all I've figured out was that BMI literature was not written for or by musicians. Does anyone else publish under Two Crabs music? (or Glass Fish, August 23rd or Bug Music?) Who runs Two Crabs? Who runs August 23? Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:16:21 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: Publishers This is probably of interest to more than just Terry, so I replied to fegmaniax... I also apologize for my lack of fuzzy, obscure, unclear, hazy obliquity. I'm sure that the following is merely an abberation, and that usual programming will return immediately. >What precisely does a publisher do, in music? >I've read the BMI literature and all I've >figured out was that BMI literature was not >written for or by musicians. It is a legal entity that is charged with the duties of collecting and distributing royalties pertinant to the intellectual property rights of the songwriter/lyricist/composer. The publishing company on a small scale, does just that. Kitty Want Fed publishing acts just to collect the whopping royalties for yours truly. KWF is just me. I didn't have to give away really anything to start that publishing co. A medium-sized publishing company will try to encourage other acts worldwide to record its songwriter/lyricist/composers' works, while continuing to collect for those clients. A larger publishing company, often owned by a conglomerate that, say, owns a movie company, etc., will use its massive leverage to urge its acts and movies to use music found under its own publishing umbrella, so it may make money multiple times off minimal effort. Probably half of all publishing companies are disreputable song sharks that get artists to sign away most of their rights to a huge number of works. They then try to get the best few works recorded by major acts and would collect the lionshare of all royalties. They may even get the author to give up his/her copyright. Steer clear of any publisher that wants control of your copyrights and will not sign a reversion clause, to return your full control if they do not act in your behalf. If your music is at all ideosyncratic, or individual, I suggest forming your own publishing company as I did. When you hit the big time, you can reassign your publishing to somebody big like Virgin/BMI, as Robyn did. BMI, is a performance rights organization which collects for its affiliate publishers. >Does anyone else publish under Two Crabs music? >(or Glass Fish, August 23rd or Bug Music?) I don't think so, but I don't know. >Who runs Two Crabs? Complete Music (at last count), I'm having trouble finding them. >Who runs August 23? Virgin/EMI I hope this helps, more crap from me available if you need it, - -Markg not an attorney, but I play one on public accesstv. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:24:15 -0600 (CST) From: amadain Subject: Re: Publishers > What precisely does a publisher do, in music? > I've read the BMI literature and all I've figured out was that BMI > literature was not written for or by musicians. As I understand it (I could be wrong), a publisher is the company wot owns the rights. That means they control the publishing rights to any sheet music, chord books, what have you, also use of the song in any commercial forum, including other people playing it for money (which is why bars/clubs that have live bands have to be registered with BMI or ASCAP). > Does anyone else publish under Two Crabs music? (or Glass Fish, August > 23rd or Bug Music?) I doubt it. I think that's Robyn's own stuff only. There -are- some musicians that form their own publishing entity and sign others onto it (witness Tom Robinson and DavRay Music) but for the most part artists who have their own imprimatur do it solely for control over their own stuff. Generally they then "lease" this out to a large agency like BMI or ASCAP to do the "policing", as it would get to be rather a headache to spend your entire life travelling around the world to get 10 bucks from every band in the world that covers one of your tunes on open mic nights :). > Who runs Two Crabs? Who runs August 23? Er, Robyn I believe, though I doubt he runs it hands on. But they're technically his. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:19:33 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: oblivion & you what is the song that plays very quietly after "nothing"? =b ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 09:25:56 From: firstcat@lsli.com Subject: RE: Eno & Velvet Underground. Not remotely Robyn I've always linked Eno's "Cindy Tells Me" as a send off of one of Reeds "... Says" songs. Cheers Jay - --- On Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:36:19 +1300 (NZDT) James Dignan wrote: >someone mentioned a while back - I think on Fegmaniax - that Brian Eno, in >his early days, was very much influenced by the Velvet Underground. Then Eb >replied that the first melody line on Eno's first solo album was very >similar to that of "Monday Morning". > >I came across an even stronger similarity yesterday: listen to the Velvets >song "Lisa says", then listen to Eno's semi-instumental "Taking Tiger >Mountain". Pay particular attention to the chiming rhythm guitar line... > >James > - -----------------End of Original Message----------------- - ------------------------------------- Jay Lyall Channel Sales Director Livermore Software Laboratories, Intl. 2825 Wilcrest, Suite 160 Houston, Texas 77042-3358 1-713-974-3274 jay@lsli.com Date: 2/2/98 - ------------------------------------- Two-Hour Luxury Goods Commercial Also A Spy Film ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:43:54 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: a ten-bob note up my nose bayard, did you say, "former fegs"??? this reminds me of an anthropology class i took once. we were talking about some tribe in south america somewhere. or maybe mexico. i don't remember. but in their language, they had no way of saying, "the horse kicked the man." you could say, "the man kicked the horse," all right, but not the other way around. it had to do with humans being superior to horses, so there was no way a horse could be able to kick a man, or some such. i wanted to raise my hand and ask, didn't it ever happen that a horse actually *did* kick a man? but i figured the teacher would just bawl me out for being a smartass, so i didn't, which i now regret. anyways, that's the same thing for me with the expression, "former fegs." i can understand both words fine. but, the expression is complete gibberish to me. before now, if someone had uttered those words, you know, just talking in the abstract, i'd have told them to straighten up and fly right, lest i sock them in the nuts. but now bayard's saying he fucking *knows* "former fegs." i still find it inconceivable that anyone, even eb, could at one time be a feg, and at a later time not be a feg. unless they were dead, of course. but i don't think bayard was implying that he *kills* all his girlfriends when he's sick of them, thereby causing them to become "former fegs." what a quandary. and if you think i'm joking, or just trying to be cute, you're dead wrong. matt, this was so friggin' hilarious i liketa crapped my pants right on the spot! i'd love to see a web page that was just everyone's robyn dreams. maybe put it in the archives? most audacious first song on a debut album? Give It To The Soft Boys is certainly in the running. but i think i'd give my vote to Blister In The Sun. "one way to get in touch with your money is to actually start touching it again." --suze ormand ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:07:39 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: fegnudes > Bayard wrote: >> If I may point out, some clever fiend has photoshopped RotoMark's smiling >> face onto the body of a young bill clinton (note the "tell-tale bend".) >> It's a fegfake! to which Mike responded: >Yes yes! I can see the anti-aliasing blurs now. Sweet Jesus, what a >sicko. But wait, what's this? There, under the right...uh...you know. >It looks like a tattoo of some sort. Three letters? "T","G"..."Q"! It spells all the way out in bold 64 point characters on the newly reposted images wherupon the faked torso appendage is um, looking more, um, "presidential" than I can manage. Really, I have nothing to do with this and have a less Pilsbury Doughboylike figure. I also have no tattoos on my privates. At least that I can see. Thanks fer asking about my maleness everybody. Geez. blushingly yours, - -Mg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:24:51 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Audacity, Track One My pick for this would have to be "You Fucked Up", the first track on Ween's debut album "God Ween Satan: The Oneness". The amount of restraint (or consideration of outside perception, or accountability to taste) would have to be about as hard to measure as the exact location of your favorite friendly neighborhood electron. - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:16:00 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: publishers Q:How strictly are publishers rights enforced for live shows? If Robyn plays "Caroline Says" live, does Lou Reed get his $15 (or whatever)? Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:36:44 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: me a culprit >Arrgh...that's "SUNDAY Morning"! :/ gah! was I tired! James ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:39:30 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re:frigerator "J. Katherine Rossner" asks (re Capuchin, I believe): >May I ask you: friar or monkey? the original meaning of the word Capuchin is "The hooded one"! Ookpik? Dave lang went on for a bit, then said: >A squid eating dough through a polyetheline bag, etc, not a cormorant? Not a shag? Ok. I admit when I'm beaten! Is there an award for most bizarre mailing list? >fegs! > >first, there is now a news-only list called fegmaniax-announce. it is a >news-only list announcing tour dates, album releases, etc.[...] >>fegmaniax-announce is an alternative for those who are >interested in just knowing what's happening with robyn, and not the rest of >the fegs as well. what??? A list dealing only in Robyn Hitchcock information??? what is the world coming to! >Subject: Robyn Hitchcock > >Just kidding! Ha ha ha. > >- -- >Peredur, Son of York thanks. This list is now made glorious summer thanks to you. James (who will try to restrain himself and write about Robyn for a while) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:59:33 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: publishers On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Terrence M Marks wrote: > Q:How strictly are publishers rights enforced for live shows? > If Robyn plays "Caroline Says" live, does Lou Reed get his $15 (or > whatever)? I don't think so. My friend has a jukebox in her establishment and occassionally live shows. She pays like a couple hundred bucks a year to BMI and ASCAP and can play anything in their catalogs as can her live acts. I'm sure she could get away with not doing that, but I don't know if anybody's talking. My mother has a jukebox in her restaurant and doesn't pay a penny. So who knows. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:32:54 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: publishers > Q:How strictly are publishers rights enforced for live shows? >If Robyn plays "Caroline Says" live, does Lou Reed get his $15 (or >whatever)? Lou Reed pretty much doesn't get squat. A fee is paid by most live performance venues to ASCAP and BMI. These performance rights organizations then give all the money to the writers of the Spice Girls big hit. Well, no. They actually are generally distributed amongst the top 100 songwriters for the year. Nobody gives the set lists to BMI/ASCAP/etc., so they are pretty happy with the arrangement, as are those top 100 acts. They do collect the playlists for the top 100 attended concerts of the year and use that list to influence their payouts for the year. When Terry Marks plays Severe Tire Damage at his local venue, Mark Gloster gets one $0. When Terry plays it several times, Mark gets several $0's, note the complete lack of positive integer at the left. Nevertheless, Mark G. is happy to receive exposure and notoriety, assuming that Terry does not sing and play like a warbling chipmunk version of Olivia Newton John while several members of the Jim Rose Circus trapezificate themselves from Terry's locks, or lox, for that matter. I'm just full of something, - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:53:08 -0800 From: jimm@sirius.com Subject: xmas tree tapes Hello to anyone who recieved their copy of the xmas party tape from myself. I have only heard from one person as of today. Please respond! Thank you. Jim Manniello 52 Sonoma St. SF CA 94133 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:45:33 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Fuller Subject: from twofangs/randi - question about Danielson (1/4% robyn) Hi my fellow fegs... Using my friend Tim's computer (286) *and* his 2400 baud modem. Veerrrryyy scaaarrryyy stuff. Tim has told me about a band called *Danielson* - who have been compared to *Captain Beefheart* (ob. rh reference?) - as well as *Pixies*,*The Shaggs*, and *Victoria Williams* (hey Deb, maybe you've heard of them?) I figured between the diverse music lovers in this globe of fegs...perhaps my friend Tim could get some help...ie....well...I'll let Tim talk...it is his computer after all ;) * * * * * * * * * * Golly, I'm a little nervous, having heard so much about y'all... Anyhow, I read today in the Nov/Dec issue of "Index mag" (a rather obscure New York kinda art kinda pop culture kinda mag) about a band called Danielson who are a family of five aged 14 to 25 who dress in nurses/orderlies clothes with hearts on their sleeves (cotton ones) and sing "incredibly catchy gospel/folk" stuff...and they sing a whole lot about G-d (capital "G"). beyond curious, I am. anyone know 'em? anyone heard 'em? what label, where can I get it (etc. etc.) supposedly, the lead Danielson (whose name I fear is...Daniel) plans to do some solo shows in NYC whilst in the middle of an 8-foot tree trunk...when told the ceiling of a certain club (Brownies?) was too low for an 8-foot tree trunk he claimed he'd play lying down... now you all understand I hope! r.s.v.p., Tim. (ct965@torfree.net) thanks!!! and now, back to Randi: * * * * * * * * * * * * * Well, what else can I say but I hope *Daniel Danielson* tours T.O. and has to play lying down...I guess if Robyn can bring a telephone booth along on his tours (way back when...) then hell...this new kid can use a tree. I just want to know if he hollows it out himself...and what are his views on conservation of the environment ;) Anyway...thanks for lending your time, your thoughts, and this bandwidth for Tim and me - he introduced me to Robyn after all, so I owe him :) fading back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, Randi - where you can also send responses to the Danielson query... *what scares you most will set you free* - Robyn Hitchcock *that which you fear most will meet you halfway* - Victoria Williams (thanks Deb :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:34:24 -0700 From: Eb Subject: More cranky bile I finally got around to listening to the new Neutral Milk Hotel album in full tonight, and all I can say is... WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! This album is FANTASTIC!!! I mean, it's quite possibly better than *anything* released in 1997, and if not, it CERTAINLY would make the Top 3. Jeeeeeeeeeesus, it's great. All Robyn fans buy this album -- you won't be disappointed. If you like Syd Barrett, the Incredible String Band or anything on Flying Nun, buy this album. In the Aeroplane Over the Sea, on Merge Records. I believe the official release date is March 8th, so you have a bit of time to wait, but MMMMMMMMMMMMM...I may be listening to it daily until then! And you folks KNOW that it takes an awful lot for me to rave. This just might be my favorite album of 1998 -- without a doubt, it will make my top five or six. If you're familiar with Neutral Milk Hotel and liked On Avery Island (my favorite debut of 1996), then just hang onto your ass, because this album at LEAST two levels advanced beyond that disc. The melodies are much better, the lyrics are much better, the arrangements are much better, the production is much better. KNOCKOUT STUFF! I actually got WET-EYED near the end, it's so damn good. In a deep, deep puddle of my own drool, Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #41 ******************************