From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #27 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, January 23 1998 Volume 07 : Number 027 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Storefront Hitchcock, Dead [KarmaFuzzz ] Re: i'm gonna buuuuurn your...shit, what rhymes with bongos? [KarmaFuzzz ] Is Robyn lurking ? ["Matthew Knights" ] '"Legendary" only because it was too bad to release' ["Aidan Merritt" ] Re: Plagiarism [M R Godwin ] Re: Is Robyn lurking ? ["Matthew Knights" ] Re: cambridge 4-dec-97 [M R Godwin ] Re: RH, RT, & JC [nicastr@IDT.NET (Ben)] Robt. Hunter "twee"?! [hal brandt ] Live embryonic crabs [Nick Winkworth ] I'm sorry, but I HAD to. [The Great Quail ] grateful when you're dead [kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander)] Lou, Jerry and Julian (soap-covering optional) [james.dignan@stonebow.ota] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 03:59:26 EST From: KarmaFuzzz Subject: Re: Storefront Hitchcock, Dead dasnyder@midway.uchicago.edu writes: > On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, jeffery vaska wrote: > > i was wondering about this too. that kurt cobain documentary was > > supposed to be the bomb, so maybe they decided to stay away from > > sundance... > I believe the film was pulled from the festival at the last minute for > "legal reasons." The NYT mentioned it had an unfavorable depiction of > Courtney and there were potential copyright infringements. that and it's potentially libelous. it allegedly focuses a great deal on the PI that courtney hired to look for kurt while he was missing, who has now decided to crusade that courtney murdered kurt. also includes some interviews with her father, who use to sponge off the greatful dead and was so involved in her life that they have seen one another since courtney was 3. it's funny watching robert redford acting so distraught, but would he be so willing to blindly defend alleged art that randomly accused him of murder? [and no, i have no particular love for courtney; i just find this whole mini- industry that seems to be popping up exploiting kurt's death reprehensible; i suppose next yoko ono will be accused of hiring mark david chapman. courtney love may be the biggest bitch on the face of earth, save nancy reagan of course, but you cannot blow someone's face off from 700 miles away.] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 04:00:06 EST From: KarmaFuzzz Subject: Re: i'm gonna buuuuurn your...shit, what rhymes with bongos? Congos rhymes with bongos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:13:14 -0000 From: "Matthew Knights" Subject: Is Robyn lurking ? The conclusion to the folk/punk thread was provided by Robyn last night with the words "This is FOLK music" (direct quote). Is Robyn lurking ? If not, maybe he pays a muso friend to lurk for him. Also, it seems he cares little for the 12Bar, "Not as good as the Largo" he said (direct quote). Matt _________________________________________________________________ Matthew Knights mknights@harrywasp.prestel.co.uk `Ton ame est un lac d'amour dont mes desirs sont les cygnes...' _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:02:17 -0000 From: "Aidan Merritt" Subject: '"Legendary" only because it was too bad to release' I know I've posted this before, but I've had quite a few queries, so I'll pre-empt any more for a bit and post it again. Sorry for taking up space if you've read it before. Blah blah blah. There are five 'missing' (e.g., recorded but unreleased) Robyn Hitchcock albums (not counting things like the Captain Sensible & Rosalind Kunath stuff he appeared on but didn't front)- the Radar album (1977-78), the unreleased follow-up to _A Can of Bees_ (1979), _Demons & Fiends_ (1983-4), _Oscar_ (1992-3) and _Surfer Ghost_ (1995). To be honest - at least WRT the Soft Boys albums - Robyn was absolutely right when he said 'legendary' just meant they were too bad to release; they're of great curiosity value but not much merit. The tracklistings are as follows - all versions are different to those on official releases, unless noted: The Radar album: Human Music Look Into Your Mirror Which Of Us Is Me? Give Me A Spanner, Ralph The Pigworker Return of the Sacred Crab Where Are The Prawns? Sandra's Having Her Brain Out Psychedelic Love Let Me Put It Next To You Blues In The Dark (same version as _Invisible Hits_) The Rat's Prayer Zip, Zip I would strongly advise not expecting much from this album. N.B. If anyone wants the cover drawing for this album, let me know & I'll send it across. The 'Missing' Soft Boys Album Vegetable Girl Pretty Woman Have A Heart, Betty Wang Dang Pig Alien Old Pervert The D Song Appreciate You Like A Real Smoothie Rock & Roll Radio Queen The Lonesome Death of Ian Penman The Face of Death (much more twiddly than the early Kimberley-less versions) A Song For Europe This album is very interesting, but isn't very good, especially when compared to _Moonlight_. _Demons & Fiends_ Melting Arthur You're So Repulsive Nothing Insect Mother (same version as the bonus version on the _Fegmania_ reissue) Demons & Fiends Stranded In The Future Opiatressence X Aether Wadahumart Different - but similar - versions of most of this turned up on _Y&O_ - the rest is, for the most part, alternately unbearably twee and unlistenable. _Oscar_ is made up entirely of covers. Because I'm, like, stupid, and shit, I forgot to bring a tracklisting with me, so I can't tell you what's on it. But you probably already have it. There's a tracklisting for it on Tracy's web page, I think. _Surfer Ghost_ Filthy Bird Man With A Woman's Shadow (same as Moss Elixir) I Am Not Me Strawberry Fields Forever Silver Wands The Main Thing/Strange Delight De Chirico Street Zipper In My Spine (same as 'My Wife And...' B-side version) I Something You You've Got Chinese White (same version as _Oscar_) Beautiful Queen (live) Charlotte Anne Zipper In My Spine (live, with Kimberley Rew & Matthew Seligman) Statue With A Walkman (same as Virgin sampler version) I don't know for certain whether the stuff from here that turned up on Elixir/Liquor are different takes or just radically different mixes. I suspect the former, as this was recorded for A&M. Personally, I think the production here is a lot better than Elixir/Liquor - the vocals are much more in front, and there isn't the layer of treacly overproduction which has smothered most of his work for the majors. (Oh, save your flames for someone else.) As might be expected, the cover versions are the weak link (and probably the reason A&M dropped it), except for 'Chinese White'. The high number of tracks is slightly misleading, as most are quite short - the whole thing clocks in at a bit over 45 minutes. The other _lost_ release - which might actually see the light of day (on Iridescent) some time this year thanks to the management changes - is the Positive Vibrations CD _Beyond The Fall_, which was all ready to go but was then blocked by the Jenners. This featured the Soft Boys' last gig (Kingdom of Love/Only The Stones Remain/Acid Bird/I Watch The Cars/City Of Shame/Brenda's Iron Sledge/I Wanna Destroy You/The Lizard/Insanely Jealous), plus eight unreleased tracks (A Most Peculiar Voice/The Unpleasant Stain/A Bad Case Of History/Lobsterman/Chain Mary To The Bed/Wolfpack/Baby You're A Rich Man/Rock & Roll). But be under no illusions that this, if it does come out, will be of any value other than curiosity. In general, I'll stick to my remark in issue 1 of _PVs_ (those were the days...), that everything of any major interest from Robyn's early career is now in circulation, and that the only reason for tracking down anything pre-1992 is curiosity or completism - Robyn's rights have passed through seven different publishers, all of whom have milked his archives for bonus tracks and b-sides, and what's left is really just chaff. Aidan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:42:44 +2909 From: dlang Subject: Re: Fegdeadheads ben wrote;(regarding the grateful dead) I'd like to know, what is it about them that makes people react with such strong opinions, either "they suck" or "they are the best"? I am firmly of the opinion that its often the Deads IMAGE that causes some people to loathe them with such intensity and to completely write them off as much as the musithey produced. Its what they are seen to represent ,hippies,sixties nostalgia, dope , self indulgence with endless solos, etc..However,in reality the dead actually very rarely indulged in endless solo's , very long ENSEMBLE improvisations which sometimes resembled jazz yes, but not 10 minute SOLOs such as the like of Yes in the late 70's . Also people judge them by their studio albums such as American Beauty which was only one aspect of their music. How many of you fegs have ever listened to Anthem of the Sun, a psychedelic masterpiece?,The dead used a lot of john cage like techniques,prepared piano, many overdub.they really experimented by mixing live tracks with studio stuff and produced a real classic that outranks almost anything else of that era. Remember, the dead did weirdness almost better than anyone in their 60's heyday , go listen to "Whats become of the Baby" on Aoxamoxoa if you can find it, or Barbed wire whipping Party - now thats REALLY weird..... A final point to note, if they were so talentless why did so many jazz greats like Branford, David Murrey, etc queue up to play with them and why is another esteemed band of jazz musos currently touring playing the Deads music ? I subscribe to the Miles Davis list and there seems to be a lot of respect for them on there and there are some serious musicians on that list. If this was another list we could be having the same derogatory discussion about Robyn,lets face it he's not exactly mr popularity with Joe public. Ah shit, its all subjective anyway, why don't we all just live and let live huh ?Everyone is entitled to their opinion, lets just respect that fact and not get too abusive about it. . Rock on Fegs! This is a good list ,lots of differing viewpoints and some really funny comments at times. I'm enjoying it heaps. regards. Dave lang. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:03:16 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Plagiarism On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Matthew Knights wrote: > On plagiarism, I was once told the Who's Tommy was theft of the concept of > SF Sorrow by The Pretty Things. Personally, I've listened to SF Sorrow and > Tommy and I can't see much common ground. Both albums are about an > orphaned boy growing up but that's all although I've an open mind if > someone else knows more about this. Agreed. But Pretty Things fans (of whom I am one) get vexed when 'Tommy' is described as the first concept album rock opera type LP. The PTs got there first! However, Townshend was obviously working up to the same thing with 'Rael' and 'A Quick One (while he's away)'. I still love the riff from 'Private Sorrow' - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:42:15 -0000 From: "Matthew Knights" Subject: Re: Is Robyn lurking ? Dare I ask who is lurking for Robyn, sifting posts and feeding him information about threads on fegmaniax? Maybe it's Tim from Homer ( he's of the right age group receptive to webby stuff) , or Eb (Robyn was pretty fierce and grumpy last night which reminded me of Eb) or maybe Randi from Canada who seems to have inside Robyn knowledge. Matt ( PS. I can't keep a secret) _________________________________________________________________ Matthew Knights mknights@harrywasp.prestel.co.uk `Ton ame est un lac d'amour dont mes desirs sont les cygnes...' _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:04:30 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther) Subject: RH, RT, & JC On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 03:25:12 -0500, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:58:07 -0000 >From: "Matthew Knights" >Subject: Richard Thompson > >Karen wrote: >>"At the heart of Thompson's music is the specter of the trouble that >>can come at any time, whole and undiminished." > >The spectre just invaded my HiFi. I just put a new copy of Fairport >Conventions Liege&Lief in my CD player and the beast packed up. Time to >buy another player. > >Matt >_________________________________________________________________ =20 Ah, Another mention of RT (nice quote from the liner notes from "Watching the Dark") on the Robyn list. Ok, one more time: How many people are fan(atics)/ list members of both Richard thompson and robyn hitchcock (oh, and for that matter, patti smith?) > >Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:52:38 -0500 (EST) >From: Terrence M Marks >Subject: I thought I Saw Julian Cope > >Q: I really dig "My Nation Underground". What other Julian Cope albums >are good? >(I kinda think that this is the album they were trying to copy when they >produced Perspex Island...) yeah, that thread has surfaced from time to time. other albums? for a primer, "Floored Genius". then, "Peggy Suicide",=20 Teardrop explodes (JC's old band) "Kilamangaro", ...."20 mothers" is supposed to be good too... -luther =20 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:04:32 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther) Subject: Robyn vs. the dead? On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 03:25:12 -0500, you wrote: >Oh, and the ultimate commentary on Garcia and Dead: Crow's endless = guitar >solo in the host segments of MST3K's THE DEAD TALK BACK, which consited >almost entirely of scales. Yeah, I'm sure a lot of us remember the "chessy guitar solo" (yes, I am type-casting Robyn fans, I know...). my personal take ont he dead: they had some good studio albums: "Anthem of the sun", "wake of the flood", "blues for allah",=20 "terrapin station", in the late 60's and the mid-70's... plus, Garcia's first coupla solo albums are decent... but then, when Jerry got his stupid auto-wah guitar effect,=20 and started playing the diminshed scale over and over again (coinciding with his heroin addiction?), the music started to REALLy suck... I have some bootlegs, and sometimes they were good, but "they couldn't play as tight as the Egyptians if the Rainforests depended on it" is a fair assessment. Plus, I think some of Robert Hunters' lyrics are pretty twee "If you plant ice, you are gonna harvest wind?", all the gambling imagery... ok, that's enough. here comes the flame war... -luther ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:59:11 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: RH, RT, & JC On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, luther wrote: > Ah, Another mention of RT (nice quote from the liner notes > from "Watching the Dark") on the Robyn list. > Ok, one more time: > How many people are fan(atics)/ list members of both Richard > thompson and robyn hitchcock (oh, and for that matter, patti smith?) > OK, I'll stand up and be counted -- I've also been on the Richard Thompson list for several years; not Patti Smith, but I am on the Kinks list (among others). Eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:50:15 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: cambridge 4-dec-97 On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Jonathan Turner wrote: > You Can't Judge A Book By The Cover (Willie Dixon ?) (RH: "I played this > in The Northern Star in 1975." Audience wag: "You did a lot of things > in The Northern Star in 1975...") My feeling is that this is by Bo Diddley, who usually writes under his birth certificate name of Ellis McDaniel. - - Mike ("the iller I get, the further behind I am with my e-mail") Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:55:43 -0500 From: nicastr@IDT.NET (Ben) Subject: Re: RH, RT, & JC > > Ah, Another mention of RT (nice quote from the liner notes >from "Watching the Dark") on the Robyn list. > > Ok, one more time: > How many people are fan(atics)/ list members of both Richard >thompson and robyn hitchcock (oh, and for that matter, patti smith?) I am! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:17:48 -0700 From: hal brandt Subject: Robt. Hunter "twee"?! luther wrote: > > I think some of Robert Hunters' lyrics are pretty twee > "If you plant ice, you are gonna harvest wind?" > here comes the flame war... No flame war, just another perspective. Read Hunter's own explanation of the meanings behind the lyrics for the Dead's classic "Franklin's Tower" (the song you quoted above) and see if you can still dismiss the man's abilities: http://www.dead.net/RobertHunterArchive.html/files/Essays/fauthreply.html /hal "They're not the best at what they do. They're the ONLY ones that do what they do." -Bill Graham on the Dead ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:18:15 -0800 From: Nick Winkworth Subject: Live embryonic crabs Time for a new thread!! I am just discovering the world of live tapes and I must say it is fascinating to listen to Robyn performing songs live, sometimes years before they actually made it to CD. One thing that has struck me after the first few tapes I have heard, is that the first version of the song and the final one, recorded much later, are pretty much identical. I'd expect that "test driving" a song in concert would result in some "fine tuning" at least - but it seems that Robyn brings songs to the stage fully formed and molded, never to be changed (except maybe some minor topical lyric changes - Clean Steve.. Mucky/Bucky ;) ). Maybe some of you with huge tape collections can tell me if my first impressions are correct, and whether you think Robyn is unusual in this respect. ~N (Passing a camel embryo through the eye of the Space Needle) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 17:16:11 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: I'm sorry, but I HAD to. I do not want to see the list convulse into a "Grateful Dead -- suck or not?" spasm. Next comes Macs vs PCs, Socialism vs. Capitalism, John vs. Paul, and finally the worst -- wombats vs. rock wallabies. So I am sorry for being just as guilty, but I had to write this short note: Chris writes, >It really is not a matter on voting for that; it would be futile. The >GD *do* suck. No doubt about it. But, you can like something that does >suck. That is perfectly fine. We all could go through our record >collections and hold may things up that fit the bill; case in point, >the painful 80s discussion that,, hopefully, finally concluded here. It >gets to be fantasy at a point thinking that your liking them makes >them "good" or "talented," doesn't it? And it would be fantasy to think that saying they "suck" makes them so. Come on, Chris, you can do better than this! What happened during those "lost years?" Were you kidnapped by a clan of roving Deadheads and forced to wear hemp and listen to Canned Heat? So here I am, doing what I know is just another non-Robyn distraction -- but I want to say my piece once and for all. I hope I may be speaking for all of the DeadFegs out there. . . (I am about to go out on a limb here, dropping my usually cynical and self-knowing Quail aura of cooly detached hipness. I swear to you folks, this comes from the heart, so forgive the inevitable oozing of sap.) The Dead are like certain things in life such as jazz, baseball, comic books, dropping acid and platypus juggling: you either get it or you don't. Your mind digs it or it doesn't. There is no point in arguing about the Dead and their suckiness. I mean, to deny that they are talented musicians is just small-minded wanking; but there are a host of other valid reasons to dislike them -- and I say, fine. But to defend the Dead is harder to do, because it can't be as simple as "Jerry's guitar playing can smoke X, Y, or Z." It's, well . . . . I love the Dead, they mean(t) so much to me that no other group, not even my beloved Phish, will ever fill that empty space in my heart. And whether Chris says they suck -- while politely permitting me to still like sucky music, thanks, Chris! -- or the List cries havoc and lets slips the Ebs of war, all I can do -- like a zillion other heads -- is get a sad look in my eye and shake my head: "You don't understand." Laugh if you will, but I am a better person because of the Dead and my Dead experiences -- and you just can't say that about many groups. They were a cult, yes -- a fringe religion, a freefloating party, a veritable neo-gypsy subculture; and there was a sense of acceptance there, a sense of community, dammit, that will never be replaced. I had brothers and sisters -- maybe we were half-stoned at times, and yes there was some petty jealousies, freaky people, New Age wanking, general idiocy and such. But by an far they were the coolest and most accepting people I ever knew, and I would never trade those years I spent in their company. I had experiences at Dead shows that may never happen again. . . . that's why we Deadheads can get a bit weird sometimes . . . there was a mystic element to the whole thing, a heart that beat beneath all the patchouli and tape trading, and it was the music that held it all together, the music that wove the binding threads of our social tapestry. There was a communication there, deeper than just words. . . . And despite the best attempts by the media to paint us as kooks, despite the weird stares we get from people when we go on about Dead experiences, and despite the awakwardness even I feel when I try to explain it all, it was all very real. So . . . "They suck?" IWhen people say that to me, I just shake my head and sadly smile. You weren't there, my friend. Talk all you want about how the Dead suck. I'll be too busy out there counting the stars and juggling my platypi. . . . - --Quail PS: Regarding another semi-dead thread: I like "Set the Twilight Reeling" - -- a lot. It's *good* too see Lou happy again, and there are a few songs on there which are very, VERY good . . . they perfectly capture the feeling of getting over a long relationship and being fascinated with a new one, and my babe Laurie, to boot! Lucky Lou. - ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | Literature Site - The Libyrinth: TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth www.rpg.net/quail | Vampire Site - New York by Night: riverrun Discordian Society | www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:55:01 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: I'm sorry, but I HAD to. Quail fluttered: >I do not want to see the list convulse into a "Grateful Dead -- suck or >not?" spasm. Neither do I. Which is why I'm not contributing much to this thread anymore. >They were a >cult, yes -- a fringe religion, a freefloating party, a veritable >neo-gypsy subculture; and there was a sense of acceptance there, a sense >of community, dammit, that will never be replaced. I had brothers and >sisters -- maybe we were half-stoned at times, and yes there was some >petty jealousies, freaky people, New Age wanking, general idiocy and >such. But by an far they were the coolest and most accepting people I >ever knew, and I would never trade those years I spent in their company. Not much discussion of the actual music, is there? ;) Who else has Gorky's Zygotic Mynci's new album Barafundle, dagnabbit? It oughta appeal to both the modern UK popsters on the list AND the old-guard proghead troop which seems to be blossoming lately.... death before Dead, Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:38:08 -0500 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: grateful when you're dead >>I do not want to see the list convulse into a "Grateful Dead -- suck or >>not?" spasm. everyone does seem to have an opinion on this one though. chalk me up for the NOT SUCK column. >Not much discussion of the actual music, is there? ;) i think that discussing the fans is worthwhile since so many people have an adverse reaction to them as a bunch of patchuli-wearing, incense-burning, parking lot-squating, smelly-looking stoners. i agree that most of the deadheads i met were very cool people. the parking lot scene was like a carnival. i knew this one guy who came back from a dead show with a piece of wallpaper that he'd bought from someone outside a show. turns out that this entrepreneur had cut up pieces of interesting wallpapers of various patterns and textures and sold them to tripping unsuspecting folk. that aside, i think that the principle behind the dead's almost constant touring and open-taping policy is awesome. i've only seen them live once and the fact that it was halloween in oakland and i was tripping on LSD was probably part of the fun. a lot of people have mentioned some of the earlier studio albums; but my favorites are their blues/country albums _american beauty_ and _workingman's dead_ and their first live album _live dead_. some really great stuff there. KEN ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:06:37 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Lou, Jerry and Julian (soap-covering optional) Terry and Ben made comments along the lines of (Julie must still have been watching the sunset): >Q: I really dig "My Nation Underground". What other Julian Cope albums >are good? >(I kinda think that this is the album they were trying to copy when they >produced Perspex Island...) A: If you like MNU, try 20 Mothers, or possibly Jehovahkill. Or maybe Saint Julian, which is Julian's most 'commercial'. Ease yourself into the weirdness gradually - don't go all out for something like Autogeddon straight off. I know some people rave about Peggy Suicide, but I've never really liked it. Similarly I love 'Fried', but I know some people who hate it. I guess that didn't help much... um... try 20 Mothers. >jv (who is expecting to be subpoena'd and then ignored by the group >sometime soon) subpoena'd? Why? Did you have sex with the president or something? >I guess the question we'd all like to ask is: when *is* capitalism going >to fall, anyway? Communism was a great theory that'll never work in practice. Capitalism, on the other hand, is a great theory that'll never work in practice. >>Oh yeah Lou Reed is an asshole.[etc] One thing I've learnt over the years is never to insult another band too heavily on a mailing list: there are bound to be fans of it there. GD vs Lou Reed is slowly approaching the level of the infamous Brian Wilson incident. BTW - with both Reed and the Dead, some albums blow, others suck. So on average, yeah, they're both OK, and they could be used to make a working internal combustion engine. James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . 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