From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #24 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, January 20 1998 Volume 07 : Number 024 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Punk folk [noe ] re: Tangerine Dream evolution ["Matthew Knights" ] Re: "the cigarettes were smokin' themselves" [lj lindhurst ] Invisible History available here [Mike Runion ] Re: Set the Twilight Reeling [Mike Runion ] Re: Set the Twilight Failing and other kvetching [kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Os] Invisible Storefront [John Barrington Jones ] Re: Invisible History available here [Jason Thornton ] Re: Invisible Storefront [Mike Runion ] Re: the pope smokes dope ["Capitalism Blows" ] re: the Pope smokes dope [Russ Reynolds ] Re: Storefront Hitchcock [John Barrington Jones ] Re: Invisible Storefront [John Barrington Jones ] Seafood, gf, and punk folk. Who's this Robyn guy? [james.dignan@stonebow.] Re: Set the Twilight Failing and other kvetching [sdodge@midway.uchicago.] Re: Invisible Storefront? ["JH3" ] re: the Pope smokes dope [sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain)] Re: the predictable respondee ;) [Eb ] On becoming our parents [The Great Quail ] Re: the Pope smokes dope [MARKEEFE ] love songs--Richard Thompson [Karen Reichstein ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:17:04 +0200 From: noe Subject: Re: Punk folk > I'm actually fairly convinced that Simon & Garfunkel are as close to punk > as they are folk. Punk & folk r not so far away from each other. folk is a type of music, and the usage of certain instruments, punk is a way of playing that music. actually there are some great folk-punk bands (i.e.- The Violent Femmes). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:14:42 -0000 From: "Matthew Knights" Subject: re: Tangerine Dream evolution James said: > Don't forget also that Tangerine > Dream started out as heavy metallers (according to legend - how true this > is, I don't know). Ross said: I read an Edgar Froese interview somewhere many years ago. I remember he claimed that the original Tangerine Dream were part of a German 60's psychedelic movement inspired by albums 'Piper at the gates of Dawn' and 'Sgt Pepper'. Other similar German bands at the time were Ashra Temple, Jane and Errrrmm ?? I forget . Matt _________________________________________________________________ Matthew Knights mknights@harrywasp.prestel.co.uk `Ton ame est un lac d'amour dont mes desirs sont les cygnes...' _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:16:26 -0800 From: Mike Runion Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream evolution For those who care, "...Burning Brain" is from T.Dreams second album, Alpha Centauri (if my brain is working right this morning), considered in some circles to be a classic of late-60's Krautrock, along with the follow-ups Zeit and Atem, as well as the monumental precursor, Electronic Meditation. Most of this stuff is deep space bleeping and slow-washing wave trancy kinda stuff, a far cry from their 80's and 90's forays (remember the train sequence in "Risky Business"?) Julian Cope put out a book a few years back called Krautrocksampler in which he praised many of these 60's/70's german bands, including Can, Amon Duul I & II, T. Dream, Cosmic Couriers, Cluster, etc. The first 4 T. Dreams albums have been rereleased in the US with liner notes pulled directly from Cope's book. Cope himself has taken to putting out occasional space trance albums, most notably Rite 1 and 2, as well as both Queen Elizabeth albums. Muddlin' through a particularly slow Tuesday morn, Mike Ross Overbury wrote: > The title of the Tangerine Dream cut > translates as "Journey Through a Burning Brain". Because of my lack > of understanding of German, all I can determine from the liner notes > was that it was recorded sometime between 1966 and 1969. - -- Mike Runion Cocoa, FL, USA /******************************************************************\ | VCM: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/cones.htm | | Fegmaps: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/fegmaps | | Spoken Word Tape: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/wordtape.htm | \******************************************************************/ "Wait a minute. Time for a Planetary Sit-In!" - Julian Cope ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:55:15 -0500 (EST) From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: "the cigarettes were smokin' themselves" >new >release which looks like a Pepsi product?> >i'd hardly call myself an expert. but, the reason the name of the >record is never actually spelled out anywhere is so they wouldn't get >sued. that's a different issue than what the cover looks like, of >course. but to my knowledge, they haven't gotten into any trouble. It's called "Dispepsi", and there's an 800 number on the CD that you can call to hear all about their problems with Pepsi, etc. From what I understand, Pepsi would not let them use their name, so they had to make it unreadable. I've heard this record, and the most interesting thing about it is the PACKAGING. Beyond the first couple of tracks, it *all sounds the same*-- endless techno, tape-looping, samples, no real lyrics, etc. If anyone is truly interested, I will give you that 800 number... l "" j ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:48:21 -0500 (EST) From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: Set the Twilight Failing and other kvetching I'm going to have to side with Eb here on this one-- Lou Reed is a doddering old fool, and _Set the Twilight Reeling_ is nearly unlistenable! It's boring, uninspired, and has no edge to it. It is- in a word- toothless. I mean, come on! "Egg cream, egg cream"??? It's a sure sign that an artist should be put out to pasture when they start reminiscing about the 1950's, wouldn't you say? Maybe if Lou had some smack these days, he'd be a bit more interesting. At least to ME. Maybe I'll go down to the SmackMart and buy him a family-sized assortment. Someone subscribed my address to Columbia House (or BMG? or something) with the fake name, "Yoko Koo". No one named Yoko Koo has ever lived at my address, so I know this has to be some kind of joke by a cruel friend because here are the selections that Yoko Koo received: - -Dirty Dancing soundtrack - -Chicago's Greatest Hits - -Wild Orchid (?????)(looks like Wilson Phillips or something)(I'm frightened by the cover alone) - -Saturday Night Fever soundtrack (this was great when I was NINE YEARS OLD!) - -that godforsaken 311 album and... Set The Twilight Reeling!! Which I already owned, unfortunately (for myself and my thirteen wasted dollars). Boy, if this ISN'T a joke, poor Yoko really has what my father would call "a taste for shit". Enough! l "not very opinionated" j ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:09:12 -0700 From: hal brandt Subject: Re: Set the Twilight Failing and other kvetching lj lindhurst wrote: > Lou Reed is a > doddering old fool, and _Set the Twilight Reeling_ is nearly unlistenable! > > I mean, come on! "Egg cream, egg cream"??? It's a sure sign that an > artist should be put out to pasture when they start reminiscing about the > 1950's > > Maybe if Lou had some smack these days, he'd be a bit more interesting. I'm indifferent to Lou myself, but this thread reminded me of a segment from the CBC interview with RobynH back on 8 Jun 96: Robyn: "I really like the new Lou Reed album actually..." *sings * 'When I was a young man, no bigger than this A chocolate egg cream was not to be missed...' "Have you seen 'Blue In The Face'?" (the companion film to 'Smoke' which featured 'Egg Cream' on the soundtrack and a cameo by Lou) "He's hysterical! Really good. Lou Reed fans...it's great- it really is. And, I saw him live on television. He didn't say anything to the audience, but he was really funny. I think Lou is on a bit of a roll at the moment." Interviewer: "At least with you! With you he's on a roll!" Robyn: "When he's up, he's up. And when he's down, he's unbearable. He's a great conductor. Very expressive." Shortly after, he answers a listeners request with a great version of "Caroline Says" that later appeared on that Pop Culture Press #2 CD. FYI, /hal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:47:51 -0500 (EST) From: Eugene Subject: Re: Set the Twilight Failing and other kvetching On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, lj lindhurst wrote: > I'm going to have to side with Eb here on this one-- Lou Reed is a > doddering old fool, and _Set the Twilight Reeling_ is nearly unlistenable! > It's boring, uninspired, and has no edge to it. It is- in a word- > toothless. > > I mean, come on! "Egg cream, egg cream"??? It's a sure sign that an > artist should be put out to pasture when they start reminiscing about the > 1950's, wouldn't you say? > Egg Cream was written for the movie Blue in the Face, which is why the song exists. He was asked to write a song about Brooklyn or somewhere in New York. I like it. I think it's a great album. I like it a lot more than Magic and Loss. -Eugene - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "One of the smartest comedy nights in town." - The Boston Phoenix The Lounge Soot: A night of alternative comedy Every Thursday at 10:30 at the Green Street Grill in Central Square 280 Green Street Cambridge, MA $3 My humor homepage: http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~ebmF92/index.html New! Weekly Week Homepage: http://www.weeklyweek.com (Boston's only redundant news source for news) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 09:22:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: re: wine Karen writes: >A few times, when Robyn has come to Portland, Carole and I and our friend >Brian have had a pre-concert dinner of red wine and--what else? sauteed >prawns. I think we had a nice pungent cheese too, if I remember correctly. > >Portland area fegs, I'm willing to do this again if and when he comes to >town.... You had red wine with prawns? How gauche. - -russ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:43:15 -0800 From: Mike Runion Subject: Invisible History available here If anyone still doesn't have this one and wants a copy on CD... 3828-ROBYN HITCHCOCK INVISIBLE HISTORY CD (G) 01/23/98 [$22.49] $19.95 German import back in. Here's the info on how to get it. 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Time for a Planetary Sit-In!" - Julian Cope ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:49:41 -0800 From: Mike Runion Subject: Re: Set the Twilight Reeling I was pretty dissatisfied with this album when it first came out (after consistently liking everything Lou'd done since New York), but it somehow found it's way into my CD player a few months back and I actually enjoyed it quite a bit. Certainly not a stunner or anything, but I guess it's one of those that might grow on you given time. The one video I saw from it was quite terrible though. - -- Mike Runion Cocoa, FL, USA /******************************************************************\ | VCM: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/cones.htm | | Fegmaps: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/fegmaps | | Spoken Word Tape: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/wordtape.htm | \******************************************************************/ "Wait a minute. Time for a Planetary Sit-In!" - Julian Cope ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:59:43 -0500 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: Re: Set the Twilight Failing and other kvetching >> I'm going to have to side with Eb here on this one-- Lou Reed is a >> doddering old fool, and _Set the Twilight Reeling_ is nearly unlistenable! >> It's boring, uninspired, and has no edge to it. It is- in a word- >> toothless. >> >> I mean, come on! "Egg cream, egg cream"??? It's a sure sign that an >> artist should be put out to pasture when they start reminiscing about the >> 1950's, wouldn't you say? >> > > Egg Cream was written for the movie Blue in the Face, which is >why the song exists. He was asked to write a song about Brooklyn or >somewhere in New York. I like it. > I think it's a great album. I like it a lot more than Magic and Loss. it is a great album. as diverse as any he's made. the fact that a bunch of critics don't agree doesn't shake my appreciation of it. some of the complaints above must stem from not listening to it. sure, some of the songs are slow-building; but there's plenty of bite. the first half is where most of the slower songs are and the second half is where the more raucus material seeths forth. "boring"? what do you call _magic and loss_ if _set the twilight reeling_ is boring? isn't it funny how some people are so smug to think that lou should get back into drugs because they can't stand him gettin' all warm and romantic? they seem to forget a lot of the questionable material he was releasing during the late seventies. even that's not so bad. i just like the fact that lou can keep developing not only his music, but his life. by the way, egg cream isn't just a fifties phenomenon. i had one just last week. and it's "you scream, i steam, we all want egg cream." all awash in syrupy feedback and grit, the fifties never had it this good. KEN ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:23:31 -0800 From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Invisible Storefront First, the release date for the soundtrack to Storefront Hitchcock (Feb 24th or 28th as mentioned in an Addicted to Noise article) disappeared. A note I received from Warner Bros. this past weekend stated that "soundtrack to Storefront Hitchcock will be coming out sometime this year." Now the release date for the film has disappeared as well! Shreck's Cinema is a great web page that tracks film release dates for all upcoming films, and it was his website that I've been going to to find info for Storefront Hitchcock. But now there is no mention of the film there at all. What is going on? Does this have anything to do with Robyn's current status of "without a manager"? Is the release currently in limbo? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:20:08 -0800 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Re: Invisible History available here At 01:43 PM 1/20/98 -0800, Mike Runion wrote: >3828-ROBYN HITCHCOCK INVISIBLE HISTORY CD (G) 01/23/98 [$22.49] $19.95 > German import back in. I missed this one. What's on it? - -- Jason R. Thornton // Chapman Stick, Silver #2125 "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson "...the Year 2000 won't change anyone here" - Morrissey, _Reader Meet Author_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:59:55 -0800 From: Mike Runion Subject: Re: Invisible Storefront Damn, does this mean that all these months of agonizing anticipation might be all for naught? Maybe, maybe not. I checked the SXSW page and they are still prominently listing "Storefront Hitchcock" as one of their premieres (March 13-21), so I would suspect everything is still on track, perhaps just a bit delayed though. Check: http://sxsw.com/film/filmfest.html - -- Mike Runion Cocoa, FL, USA /******************************************************************\ | VCM: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/cones.htm | | Fegmaps: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/fegmaps | | Spoken Word Tape: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/wordtape.htm | \******************************************************************/ "Wait a minute. Time for a Planetary Sit-In!" - Julian Cope ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:28:05 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: the pope smokes dope actually, it said it "should" be coming out sometime this year, which i thought was too hilarious, if a little bit scary (especially in conjunction with this new report that the film no longer has a release date.) i had a dream the other night that i was in a class. a high school-type class, i guess it was. robyn, of course, was the teacher. the only other feg i could recognize in the class was jeme, who was performing all sorts of crazy antics, although he didn't have a yoyo. it could be that there were lots of other fegs that i haven't yet met in there. and when i finally *do* meet you, i'll be like, "ohhh yeaaahh, you're the one that robyn gave that detention to in that dream!" i'm pyschic, so this isn't as farfetched as it at first sounds. i'm not going to say it's as good as MAGIC AND LOSS, not many albums are. but, i was quite disappointed to see someone with such fine musical taste as ms. lindhurst (tool and dead milkmen) taking the piss out of TWILIGHT. i mean, we've been all over this before, but i'd just like to again put a vote in the thumbs up column. i really love that album. give it another listen, won't you lj? "That socialism cannot or may never be attained does not mitigate capitalism's inherent inability to serve as the rational institutional standard for a just society or peaceful world, or lessen the need for a fundamental alternative embodying socialism's original objectives and inspiration to resolve many of the world's enormous problems." --Gabriel Kolko ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 13:14:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: re: the Pope smokes dope Eddie reports: >i had a dream the other night that i was in a class. a high school-type >class, i guess it was. robyn, of course, was the teacher. the only >other feg i could recognize in the class was jeme, who was performing >all sorts of crazy antics, although he didn't have a yoyo. it could be >that there were lots of other fegs that i haven't yet met in there. and >when i finally *do* meet you, i'll be like, "ohhh yeaaahh, you're the >one that robyn gave that detention to in that dream!" and then adds > i'm pyschic, so >this isn't as farfetched as it at first sounds. oh yeah? tell me what I'm thinking right now. - -russ ;) oh, and while you're at it why don't you tell us all when Storefront Hitchcock will actually be released ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:11:10 -0800 From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: Storefront Hitchcock This is a reply I received today from the man who runs the Shreck Cinema website. >Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:35:43 -0600 >From: Matt Williams >Mime-Version: 1.0 >To: John Barrington Jones >Subject: Re: Storefront Hitchcock > >John, > Yes, Orion/MGM pulled Storefront Hitchcock from it's March release date, >and has tagged it with only a nebulous "1998". My guess is that it will >probably come out sometime in the first half of the year. I'll post the new >date as soon as one's announced. > >Matt Williams >Shreck's Cinema >http://www.shreck.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:14:21 -0800 From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: Invisible Storefront Wasn't it originally supposed to play at the Sundance Festival? I checked the Sundance Festival and there's no mention of it there either. WB really dropped the ball on this one! The film was supposed to come out Fall 1997, and they pushed it back to Spring 1998 so that it could premiere at all of the shi-shi Film Festivals, thereby garnering hype for its worldwide release a few months later. >Damn, does this mean that all these months of agonizing anticipation >might be all for naught? Maybe, maybe not. I checked the SXSW page and >they are still prominently listing "Storefront Hitchcock" as one of their >premieres (March 13-21), so I would suspect everything is still on track, >perhaps just a bit delayed though. > >Check: http://sxsw.com/film/filmfest.html - -jbj - -*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-# John B. Jones Email: lobstie@e-z.net House of Figgy-- http://web.syr.edu/~jojones/hitchcock.html "When you're down/ It's a long way up When you're up/ It's a long way down It's all the same thing/ No new tale to tell" -Love & Rockets - -*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-# ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:15:19 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Seafood, gf, and punk folk. Who's this Robyn guy? >Over Christmas my mother gave me a stern warning about sea food with the >words "When they find dead people under the sea, their bodies are covered >in prawns" which just served to remind me of the 'Full Fathom Five' thread. Heh! Did the US ever get to see the hilarious TV series "Hamish Macbeth", starring Robert "Full Monty/Trainspotting" Carlyle? Sort of a Scottish Northern Exposure, about a smalltown cop in the Scottish highlands. Anyway, this reminds me very, very much of the first episode of the very first series! Humans are just another part of the food chain. Bodies decompose, gets used as plant food, which feeds the animals. The prawns simply cut out the middleman. If you use that logic, no food becomes easily edible. The mystical realist (now there's a paradox!) in me would argue that by the time a body's dead, the parts that made it human are gone anyway, so its nutritional content is there for use. Not that you'd see me sitting down to a meal of roast leg of insurance salesman (10 points for anyone who recognises THAT quote!) >speaking of _glass flesh_, two people have told me there is not a song on >the radio that sounds a lot like the first track, "prelude bethesda >maryland". true. There is not a song on the radio which sounds like the first track. Unless it's one I haven;'t heard. I guess that doesn't help, does it. I do know that there *is* a s ong on the radio which *doesn't* sound like Prelude Bethesda Maryland - I think it's by Celine Dion ("and I'm complimenting you by considering it a song!" - another 10 points up for grabs!) >> How anybody could deny that Paul Simon is a folk singer (I'm not denying >> his folk-rocker status as well) after listening to ANY Simon & Garfunkel >> album is beyond me..... > >I'm actually fairly convinced that Simon & Garfunkel are as close to punk >as they are folk. I mean, check out "Patterns" or something. Simon & >Garfunkel make me as angsty and shaken as X-Ray Spex any day. And yeah, I >like to play them back to back. Agreed! "A poem on the underground wall", "Blessed", and the like may have been counched in, erm, more polite terms than the Dead Kennedys, but there was a kinship of spirit if nothing else. Paul Simon was working from within his interests in the Beat Poets in the early days, which would explain that to a large extent. Then again, his early work also shows strong folk leanings (check out "Bleecker Street" off S&G's first album. Pure folk-rock, if such a beast exists). James (nl to Pink Floyd's brother, Puce Bruce) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:10:03 -0600 (CST) From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: Set the Twilight Failing and other kvetching >I'm going to have to side with Eb here on this one-- Lou Reed is a >doddering old fool, and _Set the Twilight Reeling_ is nearly unlistenable! >It's boring, uninspired, and has no edge to it. It is- in a word- >toothless. As a die-hard Cale fan I've always thought that Lou was near-impossible to underrate, especially in comparison. If you've heard "Fear" then you know where I'm coming from on this. I'm sorry, but Reed was never as emotionally profound or as musically imaginative. He just sells a lot better and tried a lot harder to be a "rawk star", and to give credit where it's due, he - -did- achieve that much. There are times when his awkwardness is touching and sweet, and his humor razor-sharp, but he never has achieved what Cale did in the 70s and with "Music for a New Society". I'll never be convinced that Lou could hold a candle to that. And no, in case it isn't obvious by now, I didn't think much of "Twilight" :). Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:42:28 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Invisible Storefront? I hate to sound pessimistic about the movie release date, but remember that this is Hollywood we're talking about - it's always possible that executives at WB are having "issues" with the film, like maybe they think that a film of Robyn playing in a New York storefront, with no attendant sex, violence, explosions, stunts, whiz-bang outer space effects, fight scenes, massive multi-billion dollar sets, Will Smith, more sex, more violence, and full-size models of sinking ocean liners isn't going to make the necessary $100,000,000 that seems to be required for a film to be called "successful" these days. Of course, *we* know they're wrong, but that's the entertainment industry for you. On the other hand, I myself might be wrong. (I have been in the past.) And while I obviously haven't seen the film, who knows, maybe it *could* use a bit of jazzing up, if only in a visual sense. At the very least I think they could improve on the title, which I've never been all that hepped up on. Flame me if you must! John H. Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:44:35 -0600 (CST) From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: re: the Pope smokes dope Eddie writes: >>it could be >>that there were lots of other fegs that i haven't yet met in there. and >>when i finally *do* meet you, i'll be like, "ohhh yeaaahh, you're the >>one that robyn gave that detention to in that dream!" Well, I once had a dream where I met Bob Dylan and he gave me a macadamia-nut chocolate bar. You know, one of those fancy "save the rainforest" kind. I guess Robyn giving me a detention is no less far-fetched than that, though of course I'd rather have a spanking :). >oh yeah? tell me what I'm thinking right now. You're thinking that Eddie has no idea what you're thinking. HA! >oh, and while you're at it why don't you tell us all when Storefront >Hitchcock will actually be released When the moon is in the seventh house.......... Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:09:30 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: the predictable respondee ;) Susan wrote: >As a die-hard Cale fan I've always thought that Lou was near-impossible to >underrate, especially in comparison. If you've heard "Fear" then you know >where I'm coming from on this. Umm, I've heard Fear, and yet.... ;) (Though to be fair, I do like Fear better than almost all Lou Reed solo records -- it's just that there's only 3 or 4 Cale albums which I would strongly praise...a rather low batting percentage.) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 21:16:25 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: On becoming our parents Jay Hellblade writes, > If you think I'm wrong, >stop and think about watching "Happy Days" and hearing your folks say, >"Ahhhhh, that was our time. THAT was good music!" Anyone want to become >their parents? Oh, jeez. It's so true, eeeek. Here: A few months ago I went camping with some of my other late twenty/early thirty-something friends. (None of us have kids: this was a beer, nachos, frisbee and dog kind of affair.) So we are listening to the radio, and the station is playing the entire soundtrack to "Michelle and Romy's Class Reunion" or whatever that movie was called. So, yes, this means one Eighties hit after another . . . and damn it, weren't we all singing? I mean to songs I *hated* back then . . . . but there we were, singing our hearts out to "Turning Japanese" and the Bangles and stuff, happy as clams, knowing every freakin' lyric and tossing a frisbee . . . living the good life. Discussing how much we missed that music. And then . . . Gasp. A flashback to when I was a child, with my parents on a camping trip . . . yes, they were with friends, and listening to a fifties station, and they had been SAYING THE SAME THING WE WERE. And I remember thinking how goofy they all were, singing to those old songs and talking about the late fifties . . . eeeek. So the frisbee bonked me right in the head, and I realized that I had become my parents. Visions of Abraham Simpson pointing his yellow finger at a young Homer, "It'll happen to yoooooouuuuu!!!!!" Jesus, I'm going to go throw in some Prodigy right fucking now. . . . now, wait, why is my hand straying to my Duran Duran collection . . . must resist . . . >p.s. Quail, how's that Simon LeBon outfit of yours fitting these days? ;) Well, Jay, the Powder blue shirt still fits pretty well, but the thin white tie has a few beer stains marring its Russel Mulcahey beauty. . . . Ah, junior high school. I suppose I should thank God that I didn't worship Boy George. . . . - --Quail - ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | Literature Site - The Libyrinth: TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth www.rpg.net/quail | Vampire Site - New York by Night: riverrun Discordian Society | www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 21:16:15 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Punk folk and the Smiths -- unrelated? Noe writes: >Punk & folk r not so far away from each other. >folk is a type of music, and the usage of certain instruments, punk is a >way of playing that music. >actually there are some great folk-punk bands (i.e.- The Violent >Femmes). I would also place one of my all time favorites in this tradition of folkpunk, and that would be the fucking Pogues. (That last bit is growled out around a cigarette, while gesturing recklessly with a whisky bottle.) Capuschin writes, >I think that's why I like The Smiths. Not only does Johnny Marr write and >play like someone that has never heard the Rolling Stones, but Morrissey's >very asexuality prevents him from focussing on affection and keeps him >writing about Other Things. From another Smiths fan: Oddly enough, I have always though that Morrisey wrote some of the best love songs, that so many of his songs were love songs, or at least indirectly -- but he charts the area of despair, angst, and other sticky emotions that come when there is an inequality in affections. And rather than "asexual" I have always felt Moz to be quite gay -- especially in later Smiths. But in any event, I read many of his songs as being very much "love" songs, sung by a romantic whose cynicical self-knowledge is constantly in danger of plunging him into complete bitterness, and addressed to a same-sex lover whom he will never really confront. My favorite Smiths "love song" is "There is a Light that Never Goes Out." A fucking BRILLIANT song that can still bring me to tears. >I guess there are only three or four kinds of lyrical songs (yeah, it's >late... there are infinitely many and I'm too narrowminded at 3am to come >up with them): The Love Song, The Story Song, and The Folk Song. And let's not forget songs about buildings and food . . . - --Quail - ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | Literature Site - The Libyrinth: TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth www.rpg.net/quail | Vampire Site - New York by Night: riverrun Discordian Society | www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:51:31 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Invisible storefront... I'm sure that it is a normal reaction to blame Hollywood execs when a movie is late, but it is certainly possible to me that RH or Johnathan Demme, who has sufficient clout to, said that it's too cold to launch. Maybe they just want the best for all of us. Of course, maybe they've changed directors midstream and now John Landis is making it a regular horror show with morphing and ' splosions 'n' stuff. Val Kilmer will play Tim K., and Julia Roberts will have to play Deni, because they are both terribly inappropriate and this is Hollywood. Probably Aerosmith would be hired to play the Egyptians, and Robyn would be scrapped as the action hero for Howie Long. As this plot continues to spin out of control, the storefront is where Howie makes his last stand against terrorists who are stealing the singular sacred action thriller movie plot to take to China to extort millions from Asian movie investors so they can make crappy movies too. Geez. Speaking of spinning out of control. Uh. Hi. - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:12:05 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: maybe Jim Carrey could narrate >I hate to sound pessimistic about the movie release date, but remember that >this is Hollywood we're talking about - it's always possible that executives >at WB are having "issues" with the film, like maybe they think that a film >of Robyn playing in a New York storefront, with no attendant sex, violence, >explosions, stunts, whiz-bang outer space effects, fight scenes, massive >multi-billion dollar sets, Will Smith, more sex, more violence, and >full-size models of sinking ocean liners isn't going to make the necessary >$100,000,000 that seems to be required for a film to be called "successful" >these days. Of course, *we* know they're wrong, but that's the entertainment >industry for you. Oh, come on...Warners will hardly have such high expectations for the film. And why should they? The movie's budget must've been low, low, low -- it doesn't NEED to make $100 million. And I mean, do you really think this film will be playing on more than two or three screens in any region? Demme/Hitchcock knew from the beginning that SH would be a small-scale, limited-run release, and so did Warners. Obviously, this didn't cause any of them great concern. Even Stop Making Sense had a fairly limited run, you know, and Talking Heads have sold far more records than RH (not to mention having a much more "cinematic" approach to performance). Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:30:47 EST From: MARKEEFE Subject: Re: the Pope smokes dope I once had a dream where I hung out with Laurie Anderson (who, BTW, is probably responsable for much of what made "Set The Twilight Reeling" a mediocre album -- as seems to be the majority, although non-unanimous, vote). We were at some sort of a picnic retreat up in the mountains. She was really cool to talk to. Maybe things will go sour for her and Lou and we'll get some sort of a "Shoot Out the Lights", embittered, strange, "divorce" album from them. Then again, if they're really happy, then that's cool, too. They've both already put out enough good music (especially Lou) that I'll let them off the hook. - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:20:46 -0800 (PST) From: Karen Reichstein Subject: love songs--Richard Thompson Luther wrote: >Well, there is ONE person who has brought a fresh (if >borderline demented :-) ) perspective to love songs: Richard Thompson. Well said! To plagiarize the liner notes of Richard Thompson's retrospective CD, _Watching the Dark_: "At the heart of Thompson's music is the specter of the trouble that can come at any time, whole and undiminished." I mean, who else would write a love song called "Keep Your Distance"? And "Small Town Romance" is one of the most bittersweet songs I've ever listened to. I think Richard Thompson once said that every single one of his songs is a love song, if you listen to it that way. Karen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:59:55 +2909 From: dlang Subject: Re: in the EIGHT-ies Eb wrote: > ... > > Eb, trying to figure out how the Grateful Dead became relevant to a > discussion of good music I knew on THIS list someone would take umbridge at this one , that's why I included it. I wanted to live dangerously, to provoke some good old Grateful Dead mudslinging and generally muddy the waters . lets face it, Knocking the Dead is always good for a laugh and I'm quite prepared to admit they had their faults . However, who the fuck is to say what is good or bad music, its just personal taste and no one is right or wrong , its just a matter of what you empathise with . You loathe the Dead, (I'm sure for perfectly valid reasons ,as they are an aquired taste )but in general, I love em, warts and all. They could be shit on lots of nights, but they could also create some absolutely great psychedelic ensemble improvisation when they were in the mood . When that happened , I defy you to find anyone else in Rock who could produce anything remotely similar . Even if you don't like them , at least grant them that . Also ,Hunters lyrics have many similarities to RH's, its the double meanings, word plays, contradictions and enigmas which I find draws me to both. There is also a strong thread of folk music that connects the two. I see no contradictions in my loving the music of both artists ! .Robyn is unpredictable in his stage banter and sometimes in his setlists, he takes chances with his music. Similarly, the Dead took chances onstage every night , by having no setlist, going with the flow of the music and being prepared to fall flat on their faces when it didn't work out ,instead of serving up the same old set perfectly every night like most of the old farty stadium rockers from the 60-'s and 70's era's.And remember , they did play Chinese Bones way back in 1988 at Madison Square Garden AND they used to sing " I bid you goodnight" as a set closer and Robyn loves the ISB , so theres two Hitch threads there for starters. Anyway both of us are entitled to our opinion, ( except of course I'm more entitled to my opinion than you are , because I'm right! ) but after reading most peoples best of lists recently, I'm sure I'm in the minority and I await the tongue lashing I so richly deserve from all you young folk out there with magnaminity, safe in the knowledge that the nearest Feg on the list is several thousand kilometres away in Western Australia and I can't be got at except through the mails...... Oh shit ,Stefan Cooke has my snail mail address, Stefan , burn my file IMMEDIATELY,wipe the hard drive or better still destroy your computer. Who knows ,there may be "Son of Unabomber "on the list out there somewhere just waiting for a chance to strike at helpless , small brained old hippies in the colonies.! Dave Lang ( currently listening to Captain Beefheart, Paradiso Amsterdam 1980 and loving every minute of it!) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #24 ******************************