From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #21 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, January 19 1998 Volume 07 : Number 021 Today's Subjects: ----------------- The private dreams of Suzy Hug ... ["Matthew Knights" ] Kimberley ["Matthew Knights" ] Re: my wife and my dead wife (Re: Plagiarism) [dlang ] More Feg Albums of '97 ["JH3" ] Re: More Feg Albums of '97 [squeaky watson ] Re: More Feg Albums of '97 [Terrence M Marks ] Bryant Park whereabouts [Carole Reichstein ] Re: ...in cars [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re: B.V.P.G.J.leB.dlS.Eno [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Digna] rapidly approaching a posting limit [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (J] Re: in the EIGHT-ies [Eb ] and another one [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] RE: Kimberley [Mat Wood ] Long bottles of wine [Ross Overbury ] Re: The private dreams of Suzy Hug ... [Hedblade ] Storefront Hitchcock ["trentd" ] Re: i didn't feel out of Place [lj lindhurst ] robyn and food [Karen Reichstein ] Balloon Man story [ALaw144480 ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:56:05 -0000 From: "Matthew Knights" Subject: The private dreams of Suzy Hug ... ... are the support band for Robyn on 3rd February. I'm reading a flyer handed to me at the 12 Bar yesterday. The flyer goes on to confirm Homer as the support for the January gigs. It quotes Robyn's description of Homer as "acoustic boys in a straight line". The RH gigs are 9 GBP in advance or 10 on the door with each gig comprising 3 sets of songs (support + 2 x Robyn). Finally, the venue has its own e-mail address 12bar@dial.pipex.com Matt _________________________________________________________________ Matthew Knights mknights@harrywasp.prestel.co.uk `Ton ame est un lac d'amour dont mes desirs sont les cygnes...' _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 02:57:43 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: That's all folk. On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, Hedblade wrote: > << isn't robyn a folk-rocker? can anybody back me up on this (possibly > good thread material)? >> > As of 1996-1998, without question Robyn is a folk-rocker. I would say the > Soft Boys were nothing near folk (Kimberly "That Guitar's Too Loud" Rew? Are > you kidding me?). "I Often Dream Of Trains" is a folk record, as is "Eye." > There are lots of Pop-Rock records in the Robyn catalog, of course. But right > here, right now, without the Egyptians and playing most shows with just a > guitar (electric or acoustic, don't matter), Robyn Hitchcock, our man, is a > full blown folk rocker. And I LOVE him that way. Now, according the defintion I heard not too long ago (on this list? For some reason, I don't think so), a folk song is a song about a particular group of people's common concerns and struggles in a particular time. The extension to Folk-singer is pretty obvious. For this reason, Paul Simon was a folk rocker, Joni Mitchell was a folk singer, as is Frank Tovey... It's all about the people of a particular generation, ethnicity, or geographic area and their common ideas and hardships and joys. I think Robyn's had a few good folk songs... most of them folk-rock songs. And yeah, I Often Dream Of Trains is a folk album, I think... but I think Eye is just full of love songs, mostly... or psychedelic ravings. Nothing particularly "folky" with the exception of Queen Elvis. Most political songs could be called folk music. Brenda's Iron Sledge, is a good one. I think Only The Stones Remain is a golk song about the celebration of mortality in this age of high speed change and human arrogance and self-glorification. I might even be tempted to agree that Queen of Eyes is a folk song. So yeah, Robyn's a folk rocker. That's cool with me. I, for one, am not a big fan of the love song. I think it's been overdone. I mean really, does Celine Dion or Mariah Carrey really have something to add to the idea of being in love that hasn't already been covered by Keats or Shakespeare or someone? Occassionally there's a love song that describes some inexpressible feeling in just the right way, but mostly it's just ridiculousness. Please, there are other things in the world worth writing about. How many radiosongs aren't love songs? Not too many. You get some, for sure, but most of them are about "you and me" and how it ended or how it should be or should have been or will be. Bah. I think that's why I like The Smiths. Not only does Johnny Marr write and play like someone that has never heard the Rolling Stones, but Morrissey's very asexuality prevents him from focussing on affection and keeps him writing about Other Things. Most They Might Be Giants is like that, too. Ok, right... write the occassional song about your love life because, yes, it's something strong that maybe you feel like expressing. But really, how often does one come out that has something truly new to add to the subject? I guess there are only three or four kinds of lyrical songs (yeah, it's late... there are infinitely many and I'm too narrowminded at 3am to come up with them): The Love Song, The Story Song, and The Folk Song. Ok, I'm done. Sorry. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:19:03 -0000 From: "Matthew Knights" Subject: Kimberley What's the current status of the relationship between Robyn and Kimberley ? Are they 1) deadly enemies and musical rivals who still resent each other and harbour old grudges from SB's days 2) on speaking terms but still wary 3) best chums who made up years ago Does anyone know ? Also, has Kimberley played on stage with Robyn since the Egyptians split. If this is true where did it happen and when ? Matt _________________________________________________________________ Matthew Knights mknights@harrywasp.prestel.co.uk `Ton ame est un lac d'amour dont mes desirs sont les cygnes...' _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:27:00 +0510 From: dlang Subject: Re: my wife and my dead wife (Re: Plagiarism) x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 2206 Sender: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dlang donald andrew snyder wrote: > What I like about the 90s is that I hear more good songs on the radio, > > whether in Chicago or Montgomery. I don't remember the same being > true in > the 80s: To find good rock n' roll, one had to search, but oh was it > worth > it. Like Eb and Ken have noted, great music was being made in the > 80s, > but I don't recall hearing much of it on the radio. Still, I think > the > best of "alternative" rock will always be found in the 80s. > --Andy > > > >Any decade with Elvis Costello, Foetus, Husker Du, Kate Bush, > Camper Van > > >Beethoven, Minutemen, Nick Cave, Pere Ubu, Peter Gabriel, REM, > Sonic Youth, > > >Talking Heads, Prince, the Pogues, the Replacements, Tom Waits, XTC > and > > >that Hitchcock guy can't be all bad.... > > > mekons, clash, police, u2, smiths, throwing muses, cure, > duran, > > pixies, new order, joy division, tears for fears, psychedelic furs, > > firehose, simple minds, jesus & mary chain, inxs, bongwater, > dinosaur jr., > > waterboys, pretenders, b-52's, blue aeroplanes, midnight oil, > godfathers, > > springsteen, lou reed, david bowie, billy bragg, suzanne vega, > jonathan > > richman, paul simon, frank zappa, neil young, julian cope, maria > mckee, > > george clinton, public enemy, beastie boys, fishbone, that petrol > emotion, > > jazz butcher... ok , the list is incomplete,what about Early Hunters and Collectors, Birthday party, Chills, Cocteau twins, Ed Kuepper, Grateful Dead,Holger Czukey,Jah Wobble,Shriekback, Comsat Angels,Miles Davis , Red Guitars,Suicidal Tendencies,Beefheart (still producing good stuff in the early 80's), Startled Insects and he resurgence of Richard Thompson after some years in the wilderness in the late 70's. There has been great music produced in all the years I've been listening to music-I'm 45 now , so I've experienced a lot of dross as well as the good stuff, but you just gotta look for it , if you expect commercial radio stations to provide it for you then the soundtrack is gonna be pretty predictable ,lets face it they only play it once its become pretty much mainstream AOR ( which almost everything becomes as long as it hangs around long enough) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:07:39 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: More Feg Albums of '97 >Feg albums of the year? ... >Mark Gloster and Big Rubber Shark "Monday's Lunch" >Anton Barbeau "Waterbugs and Beetles" >James Dignan "Partial Rapture Theory" >> I recently got another feg CD that some of you might want to try and obtain - it's called "Lemonade Stand Still Life" by a duo/group from Ohio called The Bees. I know at least one of the band members is a feg subscriber. But apparently they don't want to be mercenary by plugging themselves on the list, which is too bad because this CD is really quite well done. Supposedly they used mostly home recording equipment, but since it's mostly digital gear, you'd never know it. And the vocals are unusually polished-sounding for a project like this. (Also, I guess I'm a sucker for any CD whose last song is called "Hidden Bonus Track.") Anyway, this record might appeal more to the XTC/Beatles/TMBG crowd on this list (i.e. fegs like me) more than the Dylan/Syd/Velvets fans (also like me, I guess), because it's really a pop record with nice guitars, harmonies, etc. They don't sound particularly Robynesque (Hitchcockian?), but there are a couple of guitar bits in particular that remind me of that good ol' Drums & Wires-era XTC "quirky guitar dissonance"... and most of the tunes are quite catchy in a TMBG sort of way. In fact the only real criticism I might have is that they don't ever seem to get very angry about anything. Of course that's true of a lot of bands, I suppose. I doubt they pressed more than a thousand, and I'm not sure what the preferred method of contacting them is but the CD says to send e-mail to BeeKeep1@aol.com... Oh, and speaking of bugs, our Internet server here at Alternatech has been going down quite a lot lately, which might, on occasion, have prevented you from getting to my J-Cards page (http://www.alternatech.net/jh3/jcards.htm). Normally you have to reboot a Windows NT server only about once a week; lately we've been doing it twice a day. Hopefully things will improve over the next few days, but our server guru-guy just came down with pneumonia, leaving only (gasp) ME to deal with these terrible problems. Oh well. Meanwhile, keep the fegth. John "Mr. Unpaid Endorsement" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:42:44 -0500 From: squeaky watson Subject: Re: More Feg Albums of '97 also sprach JH3: >I recently got another feg CD that some of you might want to try and which reminds me: what's the status of the fegband compilation project? (was it called "gloss fish"?) ...and on a related note, would anyone and everyone involved with glass flesh please take a look-see at the glass flesh web thingie and send me any updates, links, and whatnot. it's at . thanks, woj np: last exit -- iron path ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:17:02 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: More Feg Albums of '97 > >I recently got another feg CD that some of you might want to try and > > which reminds me: what's the status of the fegband compilation project? > (was it called "gloss fish"?) > It's waiting for me. My recordings should be done real real soon now. (Monday, probably) Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:51:38 -0800 (PST) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: Bryant Park whereabouts Bryant Park is located right behind the wonderful New York City Public Library. My sister & I visited NYC a few years ago, checked out the library, then watched the fashion show crowds mob Bryant Park (the fall fashion shows are held there, in tents). All the hipsters there wore black sunglasses and carried the standard bottle of Evian water. I, for one, felt slovenly. No Hitchcockian types there either, unfortuntately. So, Bayard, it *is* a park, and not an address. Nice to visit on a spring day. > OK, this is a question for former or current NYC area fegs. do the place > names in "balloon man" make sense, and more specifically, where is Bryant > Park? I always assumed it was a park, but Mary very sensibly pointed out > that it could also be a street (bryant park av, bryant park blvd, bryant > park..way?) just curious, as the phrase "on bryant park" always seemed > out of place until mary made that suggestion. > > =b ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:22:05 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: ...in cars >don't forget kraftwerk and yellow magic orchestra (ryuichi >sakamoto)...predating the true "new wave" thing. in the early days >(along with very early OMD) these guys kicked computer ass... I think the correct phrase is "they booted up" James ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:20:17 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: B.V.P.G.J.leB.dlS.Eno >>> Ya know, a common link between a lot of the best music of the >>>ronald ray-gun years was brian eno. >>> think about the people he worked with/ influenced: Talking >>>heads, U2, david bowie, tangerine dream, robert fripp, brian ferry.... >>> can you think of any more? >>> John Cale, John Cale, John Cale. Roxy Music (though I suppose with Ferry >>>you covered that base, though I'd count it as a bit of a separate entity). > >Also Devo, Mobius, David Byrne (solo) and Zvuki Mu. . . . how can we >forget Devo? let's add Icehouse, Adam & the Ants, Cluster, Harold Budd, Edikanfo, Daniel Lanois, InXS, Jane Siberry, 801, Genesis, Penguin Cafe Orchestra, Laurie Anderson, Ultravox, Philip Glass, Peter Gabriel, Geoffrey Oryema, and indirectly the likes of Godley & Creme, Split Enz, David Sylvian, XTC, ... this could be a long list hmmm... I'm going to have to look through my record collection now... James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:24:31 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: rapidly approaching a posting limit >Some wine even comes in juice box form. It's rather short and squat. >Actually I don't know if that's sold anymore, since probably someone has >gotten it taken off the market because children might confuse it with >fruit juice boxes or some such thing. still sold that way in NZ. Referred to by the general population as "Chateau Cardboard". James (hmmm. could the 'long...bottle' be something like Galliano?) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:41:24 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: in the EIGHT-ies > ok , the list is incomplete,what about Early Hunters and Collectors, >Birthday party, Chills, Cocteau twins, Ed Kuepper, Grateful Dead,Holger >Czukey,Jah Wobble,Shriekback, Comsat Angels,Miles Davis , Red >Guitars,Suicidal Tendencies,Beefheart (still producing good stuff in the >early 80's), Startled Insects and he resurgence of Richard Thompson >after some years in the wilderness in the late 70's. You know, I don't think the thread's intent was to list EVERY artist who did good work during the '80s.... Eb, trying to figure out how the Grateful Dead became relevant to a discussion of good music ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:33:53 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: and another one >Alright, alright...so my math was off. 180 would be more like it, >though. Possibly 190. They did evolve, however, into something quite >different from where they began. Whether you, or I, or anyone like it >or not isn't the point; it's just an evolution. how come we've been discussing artists doign about turns, and we've been discussing Eno, and the two threads have never met? the twin jumps, between Taking Tiger Mountain and Another Green World, and between Before and After Science and Discreet Music were perhaps the biggest changes of direction in the history of that much maligned group of subgenres, rock. A similar case could be made for the gaps in Robert Fripp's career: King Crimson's erratic but fadscinating path, interspersed with soundscapes. And don't forget the constant changes of Uncle Frank Zappa. Don't forget also that Tangerine Dream started out as heavy metallers (according to legend - how true this is, I don't know). James - rapidly entering pre-interregnum Dodge levels of posting... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:24:38 -0000 From: Mat Wood Subject: RE: Kimberley Kimberley played for a large part of Robyn's July gig as the Boat Race = in Cambridge, UK.=20 They appeared to get on fine, playing some pretty cool Soft Boys stuff, = Kimberley also adding some curious MIDI Guitar to a couple of RHs' other = numbers. - ---------- From: Matthew Knights[SMTP:mknights@harrywasp.prestel.co.uk] Sent: 18 January 1998 13:19 To: Robyn Post Subject: Kimberley What's the current status of the relationship between Robyn and = Kimberley ? Are they 1) deadly enemies and musical rivals who still resent each other and harbour old grudges from SB's days 2) on speaking terms but still wary 3) best chums who made up years ago Does anyone know ? Also, has Kimberley played on stage with Robyn since = the Egyptians split. If this is true where did it happen and when ? Matt _________________________________________________________________ Matthew Knights mknights@harrywasp.prestel.co.uk `Ton ame est un lac d'amour dont mes desirs sont les cygnes...' _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 98 20:54:49 EST From: Ross Overbury Subject: Long bottles of wine I was sure this one would die out before I felt compelled to respond. There is an Italian wine available here that comes in a bottle that measures about 1 metre long. I could find out the name if any of you are absolutely consumed by curiosity. Favourite feg food: Squeeze-a-snack squid inna tube, natch. Can we get back off topic, please? - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:36:35 EST From: Hedblade Subject: Re: The private dreams of Suzy Hug ... Matt wrote that << The private dreams of Suzy Hug ....... are the support band for Robyn on 3rd February. I'm reading a flyer handed to me at the 12 Bar yesterday. >> OK Feg smarties. Tell me who Suzy Hug is and I'll buy you a drink at the next Robyn show you attend! (never mind if it isn't in Chicago, I'll send you some wadded up $$$). In checking my own source on this, I come up with SUSIE Hug, so perhaps I'm way off. In any case, the name seems too unique to be mistaken, but if there is a different "famous" Suzy Hug, I'm going to have egg on my face (normal, actually). Thinking caps on... and, no, I'm not giving any hints! Blinking On And Off... Jay H. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:31:10 -0500 From: "trentd" Subject: Storefront Hitchcock Greetings Fegs, Does anyone know if Storefront Hitchcock is going to play in Chicago anywhere? Wookie Conscious and I have decided we will make the trip to Chicago if necessary, although we are hoping for viewing in Indianapolis or Bloomington. Also, does anyone know the release dates of the CD's and/or the movie? Any help would be appreciated. Over and out, Hallucinogenic Woodpecker ======================================== A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me? -Capt. Beefheart ======================================== e-mail: trentd@claynet.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:44:54 -0500 (EST) From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: i didn't feel out of Place >OK, this is a question for former or current NYC area fegs. do the place >names in "balloon man" make sense, and more specifically, where is Bryant >Park? I always assumed it was a park, but Mary very sensibly pointed out >that it could also be a street (bryant park av, bryant park blvd, bryant >park..way?) just curious, as the phrase "on bryant park" always seemed >out of place until mary made that suggestion. As a matter of fact, the place names in "Balloon Man" make perfect sense! Bryant Park is a rectangular park behind the New York Public Library. It's between 41st and 42nd Street. 5th Avenue runs alongside of it. If I had a few more brain cells left, I would quote the song and make a little map proving its accuracies. Bryant Park is a very, VERY charming little park-- I used to work nearby, and I would often go eat lunch there. All the Midtown business people seem to go there for lunch-- there are little cafe carts nearby, and there are tons of folding chairs. Everyone gets a bag lunch and a folding chair, and they sit there sunning themselves in their suits/ties or dresses/pantyhose (sounds uncomfortable, looks uncomfortable, but they seem to be enjoying themselves). There are also concerts, lectures, poetry readings, dancing, etc. held there, the best of which is the Bryant Park film series, where you can go sit outside and watch a movie on Thursday nights during the summer. And that is enough of my pointless information. l "dean! dean! dean!" j ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:59:40 -0800 (PST) From: Karen Reichstein Subject: robyn and food Capuchin wrote: >I once dated a girl that had (long before we met) a standard pre-Robyn >meal of some kind of pasta and, I think, stuffed tomatoes. >I don't remember exactly what it was, to tell you the truth. >It's all too painful A few times, when Robyn has come to Portland, Carole and I and our friend Brian have had a pre-concert dinner of red wine and--what else? sauteed prawns. I think we had a nice pungent cheese too, if I remember correctly. Portland area fegs, I'm willing to do this again if and when he comes to town.... Karen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 01:45:05 EST From: ALaw144480 Subject: Balloon Man story Someone once told me at the Piermont NY gig that Ballon Man was about a guy Robyn knew (perhaps somehow in the music buisness) whom he gave a tape to which later sufaced as a bootleg or something. I guess him blowing up in his hand refers to Robyn's dissapointment in him. Anyone know more???? Chris in DC ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #21 ******************************